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Title: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Fragil1ty on Tue, 27 August 2013, 16:53:53
Hey guys, some of you may recognise me, but recently I bought a Keycool with blacks and long story short, I miss my Noppoo with reds.
I have some spare cash lying around, so I thought, I'll search ebay and see what's going on, I manage to come across a nice deal on ebay, a guy selling a noppoo choc mini with reds and apparently he's only had it for a few weeks.

I bid and what not, secure my winnings and all that crap, but throughout the auction, mainly towards the end, the bidding becomes a bit excessive, it shoots up from £30 all the way to £85 ($132.10) and I didn't want to get beaten on the auction, so my top bid was the £85.

And now that the auction is over, I'm thinking to myself, there is no way on earth I am paying $132.10 + shipping for a Noppoo, it's barely worth $100 (with shipping), it's locale, it's in the UK so the shipping is only £7.50, but still.

I've messaged the guy explaining the situation, telling him that I am not willing to pay this amount for the keyboard and that he can re-list or whatever, I mean he only wanted £70 for it in the first place.

Have you guys had any situations like this? if so, what was the object of your desire,  if you were in a situation such as I, how did you solve it and if not, if you went through with your purchase, how did you feel afterwards?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: ___q on Tue, 27 August 2013, 16:59:07
Wait, so you bid $130 and then are now upset that you won it for $130?

I fail to see how this could fall under any definition of "extortion".
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 16:59:18
... I didn't want to get beaten on the auction, so my top bid was the £85 ...

... there is no way on earth I am paying $132.10 + shipping ...

Make a decision and stick to it, either you are willing to pay £85 or you're not.  If you're not then don't enter that bid.  Never pay or bid more than you're willing to when you're being rational.  Realize that if you're not going to be rational riding the auction to the end that you need to not ride that train.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Wall Street on Tue, 27 August 2013, 16:59:47
You should pay.  It isn't extortion.  It is an auction.  You bid.  Most of the bidding always happens at the end on an EBay auction, so the price increase should not be a surprise or excuse.

The seller should report you to EBay, if nothing else than because EBay will charge him a fee for the successfully concluded auction which had a winner (you).
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:02:11
Thats not cool, you sign a contract when you bid that you would honour your bid, the guy is (If he's human) going to be pissed, and he is fully in his right to strike you for none payment.

Also why when someone else offered £80 would he accept your offer of £70 lol?

Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Fragil1ty on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:07:11
Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

Thats not cool, you sign a contract when you bid that you would honour your bid, the guy is (If he's human) going to be pissed, and he is fully in his right to strike you for none payment.

Also why when someone else offered £80 would he accept your offer of £70 lol?

Maths... its not hard.

The guy initially wanted £70 for the keyboard and then because I bid on the keyboard, the 'buy now' option disappeared. That's not so hard to comprehend, is it?

You should pay.  It isn't extortion.  It is an auction.  You bid.  Most of the bidding always happens at the end on an EBay auction, so the price increase should not be a surprise or excuse.

The seller should report you to EBay, if nothing else than because EBay will charge him a fee for the successfully concluded auction which had a winner (you).

To me, it is extortion. Paying almost double for what the keyboard is worth.. is extortion, maybe your idea of extortion differs from mine.
Yes, I'm sure the 40p for putting the product up on E-bay will break his bank, I'll send him 40p if that's what he wants, idc, just not paying that vile amount for a keyboard.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:17:35
...I didn't want to get beaten on the auction, so my top bid was the £85.

Your fault.  End of story.  Pay the £85 and learn a lesson.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:21:24
I am guess like 15 or 16 years old.

amiright?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:23:22
Buy It Now disappears after the first bid.  It's not the sellers fault, it's something that eBay has set up automatically.  You should have just bought it at the BIN price.  Unless they had a shill account bidding and you can prove it, the sale price is all on you.  You bid above what it's worth and you decided you didn't want to lose it.  You can't blame the seller and try to renege on the auction.  Suck it up and pay for it.

And, so you know, extortion is illegally obtaining something through force or threats.  This is far from extortion.  It's you entering a sales contract, then deciding you want out. 
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:24:50
Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

Thats not cool, you sign a contract when you bid that you would honour your bid, the guy is (If he's human) going to be pissed, and he is fully in his right to strike you for none payment.

Also why when someone else offered £80 would he accept your offer of £70 lol?

Maths... its not hard.

The guy initially wanted £70 for the keyboard and then because I bid on the keyboard, the 'buy now' option disappeared. That's not so hard to comprehend, is it?

You should pay.  It isn't extortion.  It is an auction.  You bid.  Most of the bidding always happens at the end on an EBay auction, so the price increase should not be a surprise or excuse.

The seller should report you to EBay, if nothing else than because EBay will charge him a fee for the successfully concluded auction which had a winner (you).

To me, it is extortion. Paying almost double for what the keyboard is worth.. is extortion, maybe your idea of extortion differs from mine.
Yes, I'm sure the 40p for putting the product up on E-bay will break his bank, I'll send him 40p if that's what he wants, idc, just not paying that vile amount for a keyboard.

Oh god, it seems we have a one person that doesn't know what the definition of a word is, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

First, here's the actual, factual definition of the word extortion, since you seem confused and want to make up your own definition to fit your fickle buying habits:
ex·tor·tion  [ik-stawr-shuhn]
noun
1.
an act or instance of extorting.
2.
Law. the crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one's office or authority.
3.
oppressive or illegal exaction, as of excessive price or interest: the extortions of usurers.
4.
anything extorted.

How is you voluntarily saying you'll pay 85 GBP extortion?  Did you forget to mention the gun to your head while you were bidding like you forgot to mention he had a BIN price when the auction went live?

Everyone's had auction guilt, but you know what, most people realize and accept that there was no one but themselves to blame for their bid-happy actions and pull out the straw and suck it all up.

Oh, I missed where you called it a vile amount.  Even though you were the one that bid that.  How'd it become vile after you said you'd pay it, but not before?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:25:59
Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

Pretty sure we can all read, that's why we read and follow the ebay Terms of Service.   Your inability to stick to a decision under contract is...  ah forget it, you came here looking for support and unwilling to listen to criticism.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Wall Street on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:27:31
It isn't extortion.
To me, it is extortion. Paying almost double for what the keyboard is worth.. is extortion, maybe your idea of extortion differs from mine.

Extortion - The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right. (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/extortion)

Words have specific meanings.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:28:03
I'd just like to say thank you to Fragil1ty. If it wasn't for this thread, I fear our ramble quota for the day might have gone unfulfilled.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:28:36
read this
http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/unpaid-items.html
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:30:23
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:31:17
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?

That's extortion to me, moose.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:31:30
That's pretty daft. OP you should think before you click on buttons.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:32:36
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?

That's extortion to me, moose.

Quit extorting me with your extortion talk!
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:33:19
GH is extorting me because I've spent so much on keyboards.  God damnit GH I didn't even mean to do this...
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:33:58
GH is extorting me because I've spent so much on keyboards.  God damnit GH I didn't even mean to do this...
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:34:20
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?
The way you find the item is go into search settings and tick the box which says "Completed Auctions" although I can't find it curently :3 (I'm looking on ebay.co.uk)
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:35:19
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?

That's extortion to me, moose.

Quit extorting me with your extortion talk!

I need you to stop with your double-extortion, can't you see we're discussion serious e-baysness here?!

In the 10 minutes since my first post, I see your extorted light, OP.  Stop extorting me.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:36:31
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?

That's extortion to me, moose.

Quit extorting me with your extortion talk!

I need you to stop with your double-extortion, can't you see we're discussion serious e-baysness here?!

In the 10 minutes since my first post, I see your extorted light, OP.  Stop extorting me.

tj, i feel extorted that a guy bought your whale. i report you.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:37:21
Can someone find the auction that was recently closed, then report this thread to the seller?

That's extortion to me, moose.

Quit extorting me with your extortion talk!

I need you to stop with your double-extortion, can't you see we're discussion serious e-baysness here?!

In the 10 minutes since my first post, I see your extorted light, OP.  Stop extorting me.

tj, i feel extorted that a guy bought your whale. i report you.

That's extortion!  Fie on your house!
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:37:57
Report me for extortion I've finally manipulated myself into believing my lz-se was a good purchase
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:39:08
Report me for extortion I've finally manipulated myself into believing my lz-se was a good purchase

You're extorting yourself!
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:44:26
today, i am sad to be british, sad and ashamed
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:44:53
today, i am sad to be british, sad and ashamed

You're extorting all of the UK.  Stop it.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:45:24
today, i am sad to be british, sad and ashamed

don't be bunny. everywhere has its fair share of 'you don't know how to read how i read' people :)
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:45:58
today, i am sad to be british, sad and ashamed

You're extorting all of the UK.  Stop it.

(http://i.imgur.com/hfkd2SN.png)
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: aesthetics1 on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:48:19
OP, you failed at a sympathy grab thread.

You extorted my time from me by making me read this whole thread.

Oh well, entertainment value.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Techno Trousers on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:48:36
Bunny, we logical Yanks would never lump you in with a silly twit like that. We've got them in every country, believe me.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: funkymeeba on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:49:03
"Oops."
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:49:17
today, i am sad to be british, sad and ashamed

don't be bunny. everywhere has its fair share of 'you don't know how to read how i read' people :)

THIS IS NOT ME BEING A PRICK I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS CLEARLY A SMALL GROUP PICKED FOR THE SHOW BUT IT CAME TO MIND WHEN I SAW THE QUOTE


As you've just seen us Brits aren't much better
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:50:22
All this extortion talk has made me parched.  I shall quench it with some Extortionade.  It's got extortionytes. IT'S WHAT PLANTS CRAVE
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:51:22
he's extorting all of our time
gg OP extortion to the max
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Techno Trousers on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:52:04
today, i am sad to be british, sad and ashamed

don't be bunny. everywhere has its fair share of 'you don't know how to read how i read' people :)

THIS IS NOT ME BEING A PRICK I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS CLEARLY A SMALL GROUP PICKED FOR THE SHOW BUT IT CAME TO MIND WHEN I SAW THE QUOTE


As you've just seen us Brits aren't much better
I love the logo on that channel. It looks like CNNNN.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:54:35
I'll be honest, I agree that the OP needs to bone up and honor the contract, and calling it extortion just because he doesn't want to pay clearly indicates a misunderstanding of the word, but the responses in this thread are a bit overboard. Public shaming of this magnitude never achieves the intended effect, and probably is just going to make the OP bitter and resentful.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 17:55:47
Sounded worse than I meant it too :(
Sorreh brother.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:00:24
I'll be honest and say that OP gave up any right to a civil response with this:

Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:00:24
ebay sucks.  They extort me all the time.  I hate it.  Don't pay.  See if I care.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:01:59
I'll be honest and say that OP gave up any right to a civil response with this:

Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

Yeah, I was just sorry for him until that.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: alaricljs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:02:13
ebay sucks.  They extort me all the time.  I hate it.  Don't pay.  See if I care.

Being a New Yorker, I thought you'd just deal with it... I mean that's how they do business over there, right? 
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:09:48
why is this in keyboards anyways? this is about ebay and should be in off-topic right?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Saturn on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:12:44
Bunny, we logical Yanks would never lump you in with a silly twit like that. We've got them in every country, believe me.

as a yank, i call bs on this concept of logical yanks

OP: this is a good thread and i support you for creating it
ebay has been extorting us for far too long
occupy ebay
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:13:10
why is this in keyboards anyways? this is about ebay and should be in off-topic right?

dont make the OP explain to you as if you were a 3 year old that he was actually refusing to buy a KEYBOARD, not refusing to buy ebay, so it is on topic
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:14:46
I'll be honest and say that OP gave up any right to a civil response with this:

Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

So you just had to respond down at his level?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:15:40
WTF?

LOLOLOLOL............  I can't believe people like the OP exist,  and I can't believe that someone would be cheeky enough to post about it..

You are freakin shameless... some big GH member should come to your house and beat you up... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/047352f3.gif)
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:15:51
I'll be honest and say that OP gave up any right to a civil response with this:

Oh god, it seems we have a few people in here that are incapable of reading, I shall try to explain as if I would to a 3-year old.

So you just had to respond down at his level?

This is extortion.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Obakemono on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:17:01
Just passing by to do my bit of extortion  :p
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:19:02
ebay sucks.  They extort me all the time.  I hate it.  Don't pay.  See if I care.

Being a New Yorker, I thought you'd just deal with it... I mean that's how they do business over there, right? 

lol, wut?  That's how who does what over where?  I'm not sure what you are saying?  You mean New Yorkers extort others?  Or that they refuse to pay?  Or what?  Are you just trying to say something negative about my home town?  I guess I don't get it.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Obakemono on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:21:49
ebay sucks.  They extort me all the time.  I hate it.  Don't pay.  See if I care.

Being a New Yorker, I thought you'd just deal with it... I mean that's how they do business over there, right? 

lol, wut?  That's how who does what over where?  I'm not sure what you are saying?  You mean New Yorkers extort others?  Or that they refuse to pay?  Or what?  Are you just trying to say something negative about my home town?  I guess I don't get it.

I guess that he is saying that a New Yorker will act correctly and pay because it is his duty
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: whiteduck on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:27:33
How do you place a bid and not be willing to pay that amount if you win? 
I think we need a tougher registration process...
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: bueller on Tue, 27 August 2013, 18:28:50
Thanks OP, I needed a laugh today! You bid, you pay. Don't get shirty because you have no self control.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: demik on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:13:01
damn, late to the party.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: abdulmuhsee on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:22:06
I honestly can't believe the outrageous(ly hilarious) shaming going on here.

Perhaps the OP shouldn't have called it extortion, but I suppose I understand his predicament.  Some sellers engage in "shill bidding," which is essentially when the seller bids on his/her own item to inflate the price.  Sometimes this leads to the seller winning his own item and having to relist it, but the rewards are sometimes worth it.

Not saying that's what was happening with the OP, but it's a lesson learned.  Max bid means the literal maximum amount you are willing to pay for the item, and if you weren't willing to pay $130 for it, then that shouldn't have been your maximum bid.  If you expected to get it for less, then your maximum bid should have been less.

Anyways, sorry for the exorbitant price, but as has been repeated in numerous and over the top ways already, you did it yourself.  Just because it's been sitting at $5 for the first five and a half days, always expect the price to skyrocket in the last thirty seconds.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:23:13
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Noppoo-Choc-Mini-84-Cherry-MX-RED-PBT-Key-Cap-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard-/251172573331?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3a7b0d5093

is this a good deal?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:24:48
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Noppoo-Choc-Mini-84-Cherry-MX-RED-PBT-Key-Cap-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard-/251172573331?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3a7b0d5093

is this a good deal?

Extortion.
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:26:15
http://www.ebay.com/itm/White-Noppoo-Choc-Mini-84-Cherry-MX-RED-PBT-Key-Cap-Gaming-Mechanical-Keyboard-/251172573331?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3a7b0d5093

is this a good deal?

What is ePacket delivery? Haha
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: demik on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:38:35
guys leave OP alone.

Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:47:38
guys leave OP alone.
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff396/TDGee/leave-britney-alone_o_GIFSoupcom.gif)
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: demik on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:48:49
guys leave OP alone.
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exactly.

why is GH so mean?
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:51:18
guys leave OP alone.

exactly.

why is GH so mean?

It's the only way we know how to express ourselves. :(
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: KangarooZombies on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:52:27
guys leave OP alone.
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exactly.

why is GH so mean?

because keyboards
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 August 2013, 19:54:27
guys leave OP alone.
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exactly.

why is GH so mean?

(http://i.imgur.com/2Pfamsu.png)
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: elttaboi on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:42:04
lol this thread is too funny xD

poor op never stood a chance
Title: Re: Ebay and their prices, extortion?
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:52:47
I am disappointed to discover that this is not yet another thread where people complain about the exorbitant fees ebay charges sellers.

When I sell a keyboard for $130 I will probably be paying $8-10 in ebay fees + another $4-5 dollars in Paypal fees.

Considering that the transaction was handled electronically with pretty much no human intervention at all, the fees seem excessive.

And the carriers have jacked up shipping fees even more than ebay fees in the last couple of years, that is even worse and really painful, but there is at least a reasonable justification for it.

PS - As an ebay seller, I f_cking hate it when a worthless slimeball buyer reneges on an auction after it is over.