I need to see what makes this better than their v2.
I need to see what makes this better than their v2.
From initial glance, I think the difference is the LEDs, comes with transparent-legend caps, and only available in mx clears.
Now that begs the question, what stabilizer does it use? WASD has always used costar stabilzers, and in fact the only place that sells spare costar stabilizers. However, costar-style stabilizers are not compatible with LEDs, so either it uses Cherry stabs or a modified version of costar stabs.
yawn
the style is nice but at that price point... the glitzy Ducky Shine 3 can be shipped for less (MX Clear too, and more LED/switch combos). Comes down to that fat DIP switch and Hevletica font I guess; not worth it for me.
Ultra-rare Cherry MX Clear mechanical keyswitches are the heart of the CODE keyboard.
Ultra-rare Cherry MX Clear
Ultra-rare
Costar had back-lit boards with their own new-version stabs at trade shows early this year. Perhaps they've finally released a board to retail with them?
If Cherry Clears are so rare shouldn't the 87 key cost less? Or the 104 key more?
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
Leopold FC660M comes with Clears as well. I think the Cooler Master is also going to have Clear switches on their keyboards soon, probably with the Cooler Master Trigger Z getting it first. But pretty much there aren't many options for Clear switches.
Can you link me to a Shine 3 with Clears, please? In any event, it'd be full size: I'm interested in the TKL version, and at least for Shine 2, Ducky only used Clears for the full-sized version (and I have it in my household).Ah, you're right that Shine 3 Clears aren't available yet (was thinking of the thick PBT G2Pro boards)... with another batch of Shine 3s coming stateside next month, and the fact that MX Green Shine 3 exists, I'd expect some Shine 3 Clears soon.
Can you link me to a Shine 3 with Clears, please? In any event, it'd be full size: I'm interested in the TKL version, and at least for Shine 2, Ducky only used Clears for the full-sized version (and I have it in my household).Ah, you're right that Shine 3 Clears aren't available yet (was thinking of the thick PBT G2Pro boards)... with another batch of Shine 3s coming stateside next month, and the fact that MX Green Shine 3 exists, I'd expect some Shine 3 Clears soon.
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
Leopold FC660M comes with Clears as well. I think the Cooler Master is also going to have Clear switches on their keyboards soon, probably with the Cooler Master Trigger Z getting it first. But pretty much there aren't many options for Clear switches.
Right, and you have to hunt for the FC660M with Clears on eBay or elsewhere, as EK does not stock it. I was thinking of the more readily available shops, such as mechanicalkeyboards.com, but even they don't have any keyboards with Clears at the moment except for Deck. Of course I forgot about Deck, heh.
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
Leopold FC660M comes with Clears as well. I think the Cooler Master is also going to have Clear switches on their keyboards soon, probably with the Cooler Master Trigger Z getting it first. But pretty much there aren't many options for Clear switches.
Right, and you have to hunt for the FC660M with Clears on eBay or elsewhere, as EK does not stock it. I was thinking of the more readily available shops, such as mechanicalkeyboards.com, but even they don't have any keyboards with Clears at the moment except for Deck. Of course I forgot about Deck, heh.
Haha, I forgot about Deck too. But I'm not going to argue with the fact that it's not a "rare" switch. FC660M is pretty readily available in my opinion, because Qtan stocks it. It comes in Cherry MX Blue, Red, Green, Black, Clear, Brown for now.
Can you link me to a Shine 3 with Clears, please? In any event, it'd be full size: I'm interested in the TKL version, and at least for Shine 2, Ducky only used Clears for the full-sized version (and I have it in my household).Ah, you're right that Shine 3 Clears aren't available yet (was thinking of the thick PBT G2Pro boards)... with another batch of Shine 3s coming stateside next month, and the fact that MX Green Shine 3 exists, I'd expect some Shine 3 Clears soon.
Now that begs the question, what stabilizer does it use? WASD has always used costar stabilzers, and in fact the only place that sells spare costar stabilizers. However, costar-style stabilizers are not compatible with LEDs, so either it uses Cherry stabs or a modified version of costar stabs.
Costar had back-lit boards with their own new-version stabs at trade shows early this year. Perhaps they've finally released a board to retail with them?
I'm also interested in seeing what stabilizer it will use.
As an enthusiast, you are here on Geekhack and know about qtan, but you are a in a relatively small community vs. those who buy mechanical keyboards.I have been here for a while, but... what is "qtan"? I can't find any good link on Google.
As an enthusiast, you are here on Geekhack and know about qtan, but you are a in a relatively small community vs. those who buy mechanical keyboards.I have been here for a while, but... what is "qtan"? I can't find any good link on Google.
Is it available in ISO?
As an enthusiast, you are here on Geekhack and know about qtan, but you are a in a relatively small community vs. those who buy mechanical keyboards.I have been here for a while, but... what is "qtan"? I can't find any good link on Google.
Because EK did not have them with Clears, I did not think that they existed. Are they available in ISO?
We’ve also included some extra goodies inside the box:I would not call the USB cable or the PS/2 adapter "extra goodies". Can you use the keyboard without a USB cable? No? That kind of talk will only make me angry.
- Wire keycap puller to remove keycaps for cleaning or modding purposes.
- PS/2 adapter to access N-KRO or legacy systems.
- 70.8” micro USB cable with cable strap.
Qtan's site (http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/) is the first link on Google and Bing. I don't think they come in ISO though. I actually found his site before I even heard of GeekHack.But the word "qtan" is not used anywhere on the site.
Could you tell me, why do the Windows keys have LEDs if the Windows keys are blank, with no transparent legends?
Qtan's site (http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/) is the first link on Google and Bing. I don't think they come in ISO though. I actually found his site before I even heard of GeekHack.But the word "qtan" is not used anywhere on the site.
Qtan's site (http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/) is the first link on Google and Bing. I don't think they come in ISO though. I actually found his site before I even heard of GeekHack.But the word "qtan" is not used anywhere on the site.
As an enthusiast, you are here on Geekhack and know about qtan, but you are a in a relatively small community vs. those who buy mechanical keyboards.I have been here for a while, but... what is "qtan"? I can't find any good link on Google.
Is it available in ISO?
He is a vendor here and has an eBay store.
They just answered me on their facebook page, confirming it uses a modified version of Costar stabilizers. I wonder if these new stabilizers can be sold separately on their website.
I need to see what makes this better than their v2.
From initial glance, I think the difference is the LEDs, comes with transparent-legend caps, and only available in mx clears.
Now that begs the question, what stabilizer does it use? WASD has always used costar stabilzers, and in fact the only place that sells spare costar stabilizers. However, costar-style stabilizers are not compatible with LEDs, so either it uses Cherry stabs or a modified version of costar stabs.
Mmmmmmmm this keyboard is sold out from the website already.
Things progress fast lol.
Looks like a very nice board. Glad to see more backlit options with un-obnoxious design.
Wow... I guess that's what happens when a well known developer with over 100k followers (and who knows how many blog readers) who's known for being an avid keyboard fanatic writes a gushing post (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2013/08/the-code-keyboard.html) about the board he helped design.
I think MANY people will be quite disappointed with this keyboard... 80g clear is quite heavy for most n00ber typists.
And since most people have bad technique where they tend to use "resting" strokes, typing solely with the force of their fingers rather than the quick strike method using the weight of one's arms (typewriters)..
80g is going to be tiresome...
And given that to ergomod a keyboard is too much freakin work for most people...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)
qtan's a good guy by all accounts.
I just cannot get over how insane people are going over this keyboard. Nothing about it is rare. Nothing about it is that special. It is an OEM'd board with some minor features. This does not make it the holy &*%#ing grail of input devices. This is not the second coming of the Model F, nor is it made from the purest of unicorn bones. All in all the overall specs and pricetag are mediocre at best.
I mean seriously. Backlit keyboard with MX Clears (which aren't rare) - you can go get a Ducky Shine III which has media keys in the same location, you know. And more than one kind of switch, too! DK9008G2 Pro will last a typical programmer much much longer, especially since, you guessed it, MORE SWITCHES.
All in all this seems like a marketing effort based in ignorance attempting to elevate the MX Clear to "ultra-rare" status and pretend nothing else is right for typists, much in the way the MX Red handling has been done with gamers.
Don't get me wrong - I don't see any reason to not believe it's a quality board. And if you're a Colemak user, why wouldn't you buy it?
But the half-truths are just insulting to intelligence. And the attempt to elevate Clears as the new god-switch to replace MX Reds when WASD can't even get Greens is so beyond misguided it's not funny. (And forget Dark Greys.) Sell the damn thing on it's genuinely unique qualities without lying about them. Is that so hard?
Not to mention, it's not like Jeff Atwood is more than an over-blown ego. Did you know he basically stole his 'mini servers' from me? It's true. He built them in October, 2012 - a year and two months after I released the reference design and parts details for my much more popular VMware focused BabyDragon II (http://wp.me/p3lMsj-2W) - check the date. BabyDragon II was introduced formally September 19, 2011. Jeff built his exactly to specifications in October, 2012, using the exact same recommended parts (but the wrong chassis - you're supposed to use the 5017C-TF barebones or CSE-512F-350B (alternatively CSE-113MTQ-330CB, 813MTQ-350C, etc.) Due credit for building them without starting a fire, but the design originates with yours truly and remains one of the most popular VMware and HyperV lab systems in the world.
So yeah. You'll forgive me if I state that someone who's system knowledge is largely cribbed or swiped from others, and has such a massive ego as to think he designed the perfect keyboard (which has already been available) and therefore can dictate to the world from his soapbox what is best for programmers. He started two mildly successful web ventures - so what. This makes him an expert in keyboards? Uh. No.
Judge the keyboard by it's merits. Not by the ego-fueled delusions of one man.
I think MANY people will be quite disappointed with this keyboard... 80g clear is quite heavy for most n00ber typists.
And since most people have bad technique where they tend to use "resting" strokes, typing solely with the force of their fingers rather than the quick strike method using the weight of one's arms (typewriters)..
80g is going to be tiresome...
And given that to ergomod a keyboard is too much freakin work for most people...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)
Actuation force is 55g...
the comments on this article did give me a few laughs :)) http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/27/stackoverflow-co-founder-jeff-atwood-builds-a-150-keyboard-for-coders-and-others-who-type-all-day/
Clears are not all that bad. You just have to break yourself of the habit of bottoming out, otherwise they will tire you out.hm.... I don't think they will tire me out... but I'm affraid that it will be annoing to use different switches or maybe I'm wrong?
Not if you use different switches for different activitys. For example Browns for gaming and Blues for typing.Clears are not all that bad. You just have to break yourself of the habit of bottoming out, otherwise they will tire you out.hm.... I don't think they will tire me out... but I'm affraid that it will be annoing to use different switches or maybe I'm wrong?
I would prefer slightly lighter switches for heavy typing purposes, but for general home use like periodic typing, games, browsing the web, I love stock Clears.
I think I could code on Clears. At least on Ducky Shine Clears (maybe this WASD will feel similar). I find the softer transparent (coated in black) caps feel great with Clears. They add an extra feeling of a cushion.
I code daily on stock clears. Clears aren't necessarily the fastest, but they are comfortable. Since coding doesn't really involve long stretches of typing at a time they don't really tire me out.yes, that's why I'm thinking of using browns at home and buying clears for work. But there is no so many options to buy especially if you want TKL version =)
Thought oh what the heck I'll give it a shot, I can even go and collect it in person.
Out of stock until 9/26... thank you Jeff Atwood's blog post :(
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Think of all the new people trying good quality mechanical keyboards for the first time. The community continues to grow... :cool:
WASD is gonna boom after this, that's for sure.
"Clears are not rare" Actually they are!What is NOT rare is a keyboard with the EXACT SAME SPECS as the WASD Code.
Ok, who's got them?
...
I think MANY people will be quite disappointed with this keyboard... 80g clear is quite heavy for most n00ber typists.At first, maybe. Several people here that have got Clears have been expressed their disappointment when trying it out for the first time ... and then retracted their earlier statement after having used it for a week.
"Clears are not rare" Actually they are!What is NOT rare is a keyboard with the EXACT SAME SPECS as the WASD Code.
Ok, who's got them?
...
There is the Ducky Shine II -- and I can even get that in Nordic layout with a keycap font that does not suck. Deck's keyboards with Clears were also full-sized and had backlighting.
I am a bit frustrated about keyboards with Clears. I have heard a few product announcement by now, got excited ... and then disappointed.
When Ducky had made their announcement a year or so ago. I had hoped to get a G2Pro TLK with Clears and PBT keycaps, but no.. instead they made the Shine keyboards, and keyboards with Clears only on some keys and Browns on the rest.
Finding a tenkeyless keyboard with Clears and GOOD opaque keycaps is impossible. I had to build myself a custom DIY keyboard to get one. I think my next keyboard is also going to be custom...
There is a small chance that I would buy a bare WASD v2, but it is a bit late and a bit overpriced (even if I don't count overseas s/h and customs), but I already have the parts for a second TKL with Clears. (I had even bought the caps from WASD, when the old keycap designer was available...)
Geekhack is the most polar site I've ever seen. Either you guys want elite customs made by Korean virgins or some poverty spec recycling from a drug bust.
"Clears are not rare" Actually they are!What is NOT rare is a keyboard with the EXACT SAME SPECS as the WASD Code.
Ok, who's got them?
...
There is the Ducky Shine II -- and I can even get that in Nordic layout with a keycap font that does not suck. Deck's keyboards with Clears were also full-sized and had backlighting.
I am a bit frustrated about keyboards with Clears. I have heard a few product announcement by now, got excited ... and then disappointed.
When Ducky had made their announcement a year or so ago. I had hoped to get a G2Pro TLK with Clears and PBT keycaps, but no.. instead they made the Shine keyboards, and keyboards with Clears only on some keys and Browns on the rest.
Finding a tenkeyless keyboard with Clears and GOOD opaque keycaps is impossible. I had to build myself a custom DIY keyboard to get one. I think my next keyboard is also going to be custom...
There is a small chance that I would buy a bare WASD v2, but it is a bit late and a bit overpriced (even if I don't count overseas s/h and customs), but I already have the parts for a second TKL with Clears. (I had even bought the caps from WASD, when the old keycap designer was available...)
I didn't know the Ducky Shine 2 had Colemak/Dvorak built-in, or Costar stabilizers, or Microusb, or lower profile, etc. etc. etc.
Geekhack is the most polar site I've ever seen. Either you guys want elite customs made by Korean virgins or some poverty spec recycling from a drug bust.
I haven't tried out a cherry MX clear keyboard yet... are they any good in terms of gaming? I play SC2 mostly. Considering I love the feel of mx browns, would these feel similar or is the tactile bump more noticable compared to browns?
If they really wanted to put "ultra rare" productions switches on it, they should have put in some MX Whites (Milk)!
Geekhack is the most polar site I've ever seen. Either you guys want elite customs made by Korean virgins or some poverty spec recycling from a drug bust.I see no contradiction here. We scavenge the smooth vintage key switches from old recycled keyboards to put into our Korean customs. :cool:
I had a tougher time typing on my OH's old rubber dome Logitech (75g in nickels) than his current Ducky with Clears.I find my 45g Topre to be heavier than my Clears. You have to count the entire force graph. With rubber domes, you have to bottom out. You press Clears only pass the bump, a little bit after half way down.
I didn't know the Ducky Shine 2 had Colemak/Dvorak built-in, or Costar stabilizers, or Microusb, or lower profile, etc. etc. etc.You don't get a backlit keyboard if you are going to use anything but the layout that is on the keycaps...
I'll give you Micro-USB though. I'm borrowing that very good idea by WASD's to rebuild my Phantom to use Micro-USB, and I will also put it into my custom ErgoDox.
You don't get a backlit keyboard if you are going to use anything but the layout that is on the keycaps...but... but... Hevletica! on ULTRA RARE ABS keycaps!
I'll give you Micro-USB though. I'm borrowing that very good idea by WASD's to rebuild my Phantom to use Micro-USB, and I will also put it into my custom ErgoDox.
Sigh.
No, no you won't. Because hey guess what? The Ducky DK9008G2 Pro? Is MicroUSB. Shine3 too. Oopsie. (Oh, and they both come in MX Clear. Or the actually rare MX Dark Grey on the 9008G2Pro PBT.)
As I said: the only material difference is the Colemak/Dvorak. Otherwise? Mmyup.
GUESS AGAIN DUCKY, looks like ULTRA RARE SWITCHES are too much for your (less expensive more optioned) Shine 3!I'll give you Micro-USB though. I'm borrowing that very good idea by WASD's to rebuild my Phantom to use Micro-USB, and I will also put it into my custom ErgoDox.
Sigh.
No, no you won't. Because hey guess what? The Ducky DK9008G2 Pro? Is MicroUSB. Shine3 too. Oopsie. (Oh, and they both come in MX Clear. Or the actually rare MX Dark Grey on the 9008G2Pro PBT.)
As I said: the only material difference is the Colemak/Dvorak. Otherwise? Mmyup.
I still have not seen a shine 3 with clears.
I'll give you Micro-USB though. I'm borrowing that very good idea by WASD's to rebuild my Phantom to use Micro-USB, and I will also put it into my custom ErgoDox.
Sigh.
No, no you won't. Because hey guess what? The Ducky DK9008G2 Pro? Is MicroUSB. Shine3 too. Oopsie. (Oh, and they both come in MX Clear. Or the actually rare MX Dark Grey on the 9008G2Pro PBT.)
As I said: the only material difference is the Colemak/Dvorak. Otherwise? Mmyup.
You don't get a backlit keyboard if you are going to use anything but the layout that is on the keycaps...but... but... Hevletica! on ULTRA RARE ABS keycaps!
yeah sure you can get a Topre Type Heaven for about the same price but COLEMAK DIP! That totally makes it worth it!
I haven't tried out a cherry MX clear keyboard yet... are they any good in terms of gaming? I play SC2 mostly. Considering I love the feel of mx browns, would these feel similar or is the tactile bump more noticable compared to browns?
Seems it's the same feeling, stronger bump, stronger activation force, less "grainy". So sounds perfect for a Topre lover like me. Ordered a Leopold FC660M Grey / MX Clear from Qtang (and other stuff... bought 3 KB this week, my bank should call anytime now...). I have many KB / Switch to compare now so we'll see. And I love the design of this Code so I may end up getting one too if I like MX Clears. I decided to assume my KB like my wife assume her shoes. ;)
It's a Cherry MX keyboard, how much originality can you really expect.
Put extra buttons, you complain.
Put extra logos or graphics, you complain.
Put extra bumps, shapes, you complain.
There is only so much you can do to a rectangle, only a few switches to pick from and only so much left to cram onto a keyboard before it becomes silly.
Personally, I like it. Not so happy with the key cap symbols, but I think it looks great and should obviously function just fine. Seriously,what more do you expect from a keyboard without being "too much". As for the price, it's not unreasonable really.
As a Topre user I couldn't stand clears when I put them in my old Poker. Hope you have better luck!
Love.Jesus.
Love the fact that it's so simple and just the white backplate withe these LEDs, god that looks amazing. Don't know how MX Clears are like though.
Why not ? It's kinda hard for me not to bottom out a key so I guess it's not a keyboard for me...Love the fact that it's so simple and just the white backplate withe these LEDs, god that looks amazing. Don't know how MX Clears are like though.
Don't try to bottom out on them and they're sublime (although they're no Topre switch, that's for sure)
Probably not the most illustrious first post, but I'm still debating picking one of these up. Duckies run close enough to the same price and getting one with clear switches now is basically a no-go.
This an a cheap detached 10-key and I think I'll be a happy camper.
Reviews are up:
Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/show/7248/meet-the-code-keyboard)
Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/typing-stealth-a-review-of-the-code-keyboard/)
My view is that if I'm a first time mech keyboard user, I'd go with mainstream. Something along the line of $80 board. Or the more popular switches like blues or browns. I won't go for 'ultra rare-have no reviews before' Clears. Code keyboard was pre ordered. It ran out of stock in less than a few weeks. The ones who bought it were definitely not mainstream new users.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-104-Key-CODE-Mechanical-Keyboard-By-WASD-/231053351646?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item35cbda5ade
So these are RARE now?
How long before they are vintage :P
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-104-Key-CODE-Mechanical-Keyboard-By-WASD-/231053351646?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item35cbda5ade
So these are RARE now?
How long before they are vintage :P
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-104-Key-CODE-Mechanical-Keyboard-By-WASD-/231053351646?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item35cbda5ade
So these are RARE now?
How long before they are vintage :P
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-104-Key-CODE-Mechanical-Keyboard-By-WASD-/231053351646?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item35cbda5ade
So these are RARE now?
How long before they are vintage :P
To be entirely fair, since the stock moving forward looks like they won't have Cherry MX Clear switches, yes it is rare now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-104-Key-CODE-Mechanical-Keyboard-By-WASD-/231053351646?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item35cbda5ade
So these are RARE now?
How long before they are vintage :P
To be entirely fair, since the stock moving forward looks like they won't have Cherry MX Clear switches, yes it is rare now.
I still find that very hard to believe that they could not source clear switches.
It just struck me as funny that it hit Ebay so fast.
my my that tkl gets me all hot and bothered.
What amazes me is that eBay price - currently $212.50. On WASD site they are listed for $149.99.WASD is sold out.
Someone's gonna be pissed when they find out ...
What amazes me is that eBay price - currently $212.50. On WASD site they are listed for $149.99.WASD is sold out.
Someone's gonna be pissed when they find out ...
I mean, it id bid up to $296 right now, so you know that people do want them that badly. I know I was interested, because I wanted to try clears, but couldn't afford it while they were available.
I mean, it id bid up to $296 right now, so you know that people do want them that badly. I know I was interested, because I wanted to try clears, but couldn't afford it while they were available.
No offense to anyone but that's just crazy. It isn't the only board with clears and certainly nothing special about it that I saw to warrant that price.
I mean, it id bid up to $296 right now, so you know that people do want them that badly. I know I was interested, because I wanted to try clears, but couldn't afford it while they were available.
No offense to anyone but that's just crazy. It isn't the only board with clears and certainly nothing special about it that I saw to warrant that price.
you probably don't wanna know how much some people will pay for vinyl records :p
I mean, it id bid up to $296 right now, so you know that people do want them that badly. I know I was interested, because I wanted to try clears, but couldn't afford it while they were available.
No offense to anyone but that's just crazy. It isn't the only board with clears and certainly nothing special about it that I saw to warrant that price.
you probably don't wanna know how much some people will pay for vinyl records :p
No I understand that haha.
$510!! WTF?!
$510!! WTF?!
:eek: ok that is insane
$510 :))
If that was a serious bid, then like I said someone's gonna be pissed when they find out what these really cost.
the ONLY good thing i see from the CODE is easily accessible mx clears. it's overpriced now that the clears are MIA
THEY ARE BACK IN STOCK WITH CLEARS.
Its 175 for me taxed and shipped.
Going to order it tomorrow, its pretty late right now where I live
There is a Order Now button. Click that and you are in WASD website and then you can add to cart. After that you can calculate shipping cost and submit billing info.
I just checked. The order now works but there was no Add To Cart. Showed as Out of Stock.
That was fast. I am glad I got it.
What about you Pacifist as it was your post that clued me to it. I hope you got it!
Sorry, but we have a very limited supply of the Clear keyboards, so we are reserving them for our custom keyboard orders. As with the CODE keyboard, we have more Clear switches on order, but don't expect them for at least 12-14 months.
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48940.msg1053116#msg1053116Sorry, but we have a very limited supply of the Clear keyboards, so we are reserving them for our custom keyboard orders. As with the CODE keyboard, we have more Clear switches on order, but don't expect them for at least 12-14 months.
Hmm.. I checked out using PayPal. It deducted whatever I have in PayPal and the remaining charged to my credit card. Can't you do the same?
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
Keycool has a board with clear switches and it is really cheap (like other boards by Keycool).
They are "ultra-rare" for commonly available mechanical keyboards. Most people here who have clears have either modded them or have gotten some rare keyboards with them. You have to really look to get a keyboard with Clears, whereas Browns / Reds / Blacks / Blues / and even Greens (thanks to CM) are readily available. I can think of Ducky's limited edition keyboard with thick PBT caps (sold out) and the WASD v2 (not in stock) off the top of my head. What else? Not anything commonly accessible without thoroughly searching.
Keycool has a board with clear switches and it is really cheap (like other boards by Keycool).
I would be cautious of those. qtan at one time stated that he didn't import those due to risks of fake/cloned/counterfeit switches. On one hand if that were true you'd probably see a lot more of them available. On the other my Keycool 87 w/ "Clears" was the lightest feeling MX Clear keyboard I've ever tried.
Keycaps: The keys are molded from translucent plastic, painted, laser etched to remove the paint, then coated with a protective clear coat. V2's use our standard ABS keys which as molded from colored plastic and directly laser etched without the need for paint.
Sexy board. Would buy if i wasn't willing to pay the money for a Korean board. Lovin' it
A year....Cherry is out of stock for a year... bull****. This smells of artificial inflation.
A year....Cherry is out of stock for a year... bull****. This smells of artificial inflation.
A year....Cherry is out of stock for a year... bull****. This smells of artificial inflation.
I'm still trying to figure out why Red's are more expensive.
I'm pretty sure cherrry makes more blues, reds, and browns than say clears or greens, but still, there shouldn't be a 1 year shortage
A year....Cherry is out of stock for a year... bull****. This smells of artificial inflation.
Perhaps one of the other 'large' players in the keyboard market has bought up clears for their own products??
Out of curiosity, would I be able to purchase PBT key caps from wasdkeyboards and plug into the Code? I know I won't get individual backlit keys but that should still work, right?
How long did the brown shortage last?
^ You can really see in that pic that the legends are quite small. With backlighting off and in low light conditions it would be difficult to see them.I turned off backlight and pretend it is a Filco-Ninja like blank keys. Good for me to practice without the legends.
Yeah I gotta agree on the key caps paint picking up grease. I find it is made of the same matte material that the 2013 Razer BlackWidow Ultimate case. I'm surprise to see this as Jeff Atwood, the guy who co-created the Code was very vocal against glossy case and fingerprints and what not.
Edit: Photo!
Look at the Shift and Z keys;Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/10/04/a9arame2.jpg)
I feel obliged to point out that any surface you ever touch with your fingers will have a residue left from the natural oils in your skin. Unless you replace your fingers with rubber. Even my PBT caps will have residue that I might not necessarily see, but I can feel.
Different texture / or keycap material will not change this fact of biology. The only way to change it is to change your fingers, or type using a proxy. Both of which are impractical.
I borrowed a Code from a coworker today and reaffirmed that clears are not for me. Also wasn't impressed with the keycaps. The paint picks up grease and scratches easily and feels terrible, and the legends are tiny and hard to see without the backlight on. The stabilizer wires also come out of their plastic clips very easily when removing the keycaps.
I feel obliged to point out that any surface you ever touch with your fingers will have a residue left from the natural oils in your skin. Unless you replace your fingers with rubber. Even my PBT caps will have residue that I might not necessarily see, but I can feel.
Different texture / or keycap material will not change this fact of biology. The only way to change it is to change your fingers, or type using a proxy. Both of which are impractical.
Nobody was confused on this point. The Code's painted keycaps make the oily residue very obvious and visible, more so than other keycaps I've used.
I know it sounds crass, and I don't mean it to come across as offensive so please forgive me if I am coming across as offensive. It's just it seems like a very simple thing to me, and it boggles my mind that people didn't expect this.
It's just it seems like a very simple thing to me, and it boggles my mind that people didn't expect this.
I know it sounds crass, and I don't mean it to come across as offensive so please forgive me if I am coming across as offensive. It's just it seems like a very simple thing to me, and it boggles my mind that people didn't expect this.
I'm not offended, just puzzled at why you feel the need to slap down a valid critique of the keyboard.It's just it seems like a very simple thing to me, and it boggles my mind that people didn't expect this.
It's not simple to many people. Some are newbs who don't understand all the implications of the keycap material and paint. Or experienced keyboard people who have just never encountered translucent material + paint keycaps before. Or, like me, someone who simply borrowed the keyboard for an unrelated purpose and did no "research" at all.
Regardless, even if everyone expected it, it's still perfectly valid to mention it when talking about the keyboard.
It's not simple to many people. Some are newbs who don't understand all the implications of the keycap material and paint. Or experienced keyboard people who have just never encountered translucent material + paint keycaps before. Or, like me, someone who simply borrowed the keyboard for an unrelated purpose and did no "research" at all.
Regardless, even if everyone expected it, it's still perfectly valid to mention it when talking about the keyboard.
I borrowed a Code from a coworker today and reaffirmed that clears are not for me. Also wasn't impressed with the keycaps. The paint picks up grease and scratches easily and feels terrible, and the legends are tiny and hard to see without the backlight on. The stabilizer wires also come out of their plastic clips very easily when removing the keycaps.
Thanks for saving us some money bro!
So are glossy/greasy keys a problem that the Ducky Shine doesn't have? Or is the complaint that the CODE doesn't improve on the Shine?
You could have backlit using a first shot translucent polycarb...I'm sure it will be expensive but now I'm interested. I didn't know there is such an option. Is there a Gb or any place I can get hold of one?
Would probably be expensive for a whole keyboard though.
[)amien
So are glossy/greasy keys a problem that the Ducky Shine doesn't have? Or is the complaint that the CODE doesn't improve on the Shine?The Razer BlackWidow is using the same material too.
I really don't like the backlighting on the keyboard.
I really don't like the backlighting on the keyboard.
So press fn-F12 and turn it off. Problem solved.
[)amien
And you save a whopping $0. Great deal :p
[)amien
Barebones version is $100, if you already have other caps.
That's what I like about Code. It's really a V2 with Clears (savings of $10) and it has bonus backlight (which can be turned off). It's a steal, really!
It is a steal, if you can still get them. The next batch will be Browns, Greens, and Blues, no Clears. Next batch of clears is expected in a year.mx clears for another year? is this true?
It is a steal, if you can still get them. The next batch will be Browns, Greens, and Blues, no Clears. Next batch of clears is expected in a year.mx clears for another year? is this true?
thanks for the info sir.It is a steal, if you can still get them. The next batch will be Browns, Greens, and Blues, no Clears. Next batch of clears is expected in a year.mx clears for another year? is this true?
Yup it's true. I contacted them regarding clears and this was the response
"Hi Alex,
Clears won't be available again for at least 12-14 months. Thank you."
The problem is that they cannot get the clear switches from their suppliers. Serious backorder. Makes me wonder if some company is buying up the supply.THIS.
Code Keyboards with MX Greens are available for sale now. Go go go!
Code Keyboards with MX Greens are available for sale now. Go go go!
no tenkeyless however :(
Code Keyboards with MX Greens are available for sale now. Go go go!
no tenkeyless however :(
And a $20 premium over the MX Clear version; $170 versus $150. Same price point as Ducky.
the MX Green version has O rings, which the MX Clear version doesn't. They're also pre-installed. Hence the premium compared to the MX Clear version.
I did worry that the clears were going to be too stiff coming from blues and finding blacks way to heavy but it has turned out to be a pleasant surprise.
From what I have seen around these forums and elsewhere, is that the guys over at mechanicalkeyboards.com have ordered up all the clears! Last year they were officially designated as a reseller of Cherry products and they were only able to get MX Clears. I bought over 200 myself.
The way I am getting around the lack of a clear code (and the lack of an ISO layout completely) is by buying an ISO V2 and getting someone to replace all the switches for clears.
I'm seriously thinking about trying for one of the MX Green CODE keyboards when they start taking orders again -- but I'm wondering if anyone has experience with both the Green switches and buckling spring keyboards. My current favorite keyboard is a Unicomp SpaceSaver M (yes, I'm a Mac guy), but I'd like a good ten-keyless keyboard.
I also have a Matias Tactile Pro 3 which I don't like much -- AFAIK it's got a similar actuation force to the Unicomp, but my fingers hurt typing on it after a while. Maybe I'm bottoming out on it.
I'm seriously thinking about trying for one of the MX Green CODE keyboards when they start taking orders again -- but I'm wondering if anyone has experience with both the Green switches and buckling spring keyboards. My current favorite keyboard is a Unicomp SpaceSaver M (yes, I'm a Mac guy), but I'd like a good ten-keyless keyboard.
I also have a Matias Tactile Pro 3 which I don't like much -- AFAIK it's got a similar actuation force to the Unicomp, but my fingers hurt typing on it after a while. Maybe I'm bottoming out on it.
BS really is the god switch for tactile lovers.
are you bottoming out on everything? I don't remember if it was feasible to bot bottom out on BS or not....
I've tried beam springs, which are supposed to be less tactile and pingy than buckling springs. I really liked them, because they had a lovely feel and click of the spring. However, Greens are definitely not my kind of switch and if you get tired typing on Matias switches, Greens will be much worse.
To me MX green is noticably lighter than the Model M.
The sound is also of a higher pitch.
There's also, to me at least, a slightly less satisfying tactile feedback pressing an MX green switch than pressing a BS switch.
I don't know what you mean... I got my order in. :))
I didn't even want one nor did I have any desire to buy one but I bought one anyway because I had way too much money in my paypal.
I didn't even want one nor did I have any desire to buy one but I bought one anyway because I had way too much money in my paypal.
If this is ever a problem for you again, just slide some of that dinero over my way, and I'll send you something equivalent in return. :D
I will do the same offer! Feel free to send me things too hahaI didn't even want one nor did I have any desire to buy one but I bought one anyway because I had way too much money in my paypal.
If this is ever a problem for you again, just slide some of that dinero over my way, and I'll send you something equivalent in return. :D
;)
So I am curious. Code Clear seemed to be really popular but then you don't see many people talking about it in GH. I mean, I had the Code TKL from the first batch and I have a feeling that I am the only one with one and many people are talking about other keyboards and stuff, except Code - so I am surprised to see that the site is being brought down. Maybe the people interested in Code are not from GH!
Call me when they finally have MX Brown switches and red backlighting...
Oh, and a sane price would be nice to have as well! (But not expected :rolleyes: )
Pacifist - don't know if you remember - you were the one who posted in this thread that the Code was available back in Sept, I saw it and grab the Code and that was how I started into this keyboard stuff :P
So I am curious. Code Clear seemed to be really popular but then you don't see many people talking about it in GH. I mean, I had the Code TKL from the first batch and I have a feeling that I am the only one with one and many people are talking about other keyboards and stuff, except Code - so I am surprised to see that the site is being brought down. Maybe the people interested in Code are not from GH!
The CODE Clear TKL is my favorite non-custom board. If I hadn't built a phantom I'd still be using it.
Crisp solid feel, nice backlighting, useful DPI switches, good build quality and finish. Quality is better than DAS and older Mattias keyboards I've tried that cost more. Only thing that felt that good build quality to me was my Realforce 88UB which was a lot more expensive.
[)amien
If the keycap legends were just Envy Code R, then it would be perfect. :))<blush> Thanks JD!
I love your font.
So my Code Clear came today. The keyboard feels totally un-lubbed... the backspace and the enter keys are especially horrible. Scratchy sound from within the switch itself, and absolutely no grease on the stabilizer bars and so there is a lot of bouncing noise at the up-stroke. Seriously, if this represents the typical quality of a WASD keyboard... I am not sure I will ever buy from them again.
I am going to bring some silicon grease to office tomorrow to deal with the stabilizer bars. But what can I do with the two scratchy switches?
So my Code Clear came today. The keyboard feels totally un-lubbed... the backspace and the enter keys are especially horrible. Scratchy sound from within the switch itself, and absolutely no grease on the stabilizer bars and so there is a lot of bouncing noise at the up-stroke. Seriously, if this represents the typical quality of a WASD keyboard... I am not sure I will ever buy from them again.
I am going to bring some silicon grease to office tomorrow to deal with the stabilizer bars. But what can I do with the two scratchy switches?
Do any stock MX keyboards come lubed?
Do any stock MX keyboards come lubed?
Do any stock MX keyboards come lubed?
Not sure. However, just to be clear, I was referring to the apparent lack of quality assurance before shipment. This backspace key sounds very, very wrong.
I have taken a video showing how bad the backspace key is:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22723511/Code-Backspace-VID_20140410_175321.mp4
Any suggestion on how to deal with this? Thanks!
So my Code Clear came today. The keyboard feels totally un-lubbed... the backspace and the enter keys are especially horrible. Scratchy sound from within the switch itself, and absolutely no grease on the stabilizer bars and so there is a lot of bouncing noise at the up-stroke. Seriously, if this represents the typical quality of a WASD keyboard... I am not sure I will ever buy from them again.
I am going to bring some silicon grease to office tomorrow to deal with the stabilizer bars. But what can I do with the two scratchy switches?
Do any stock MX keyboards come lubed?
Maybe TypeNow Solid.
That's what happened to me too. I don't understand why the LED dip switch is off by default. Everyone one to see the beautiful keyboard in all of its backlighting glory when the first got it, so that doesn't make any sense.
Code with Cherry MX Clears is back in stock, apparently...
Code with Cherry MX Clears is back in stock, apparently...
F-ing sucks. My manager approved me to get one of these boards, but I have to have our secretary order it. Why can't they send out this email in the morning. I'm sure they'll be out of stock again by the time our secretary gets in in the morning. Last time the email came at 4:30p on a Friday afternoon, now at 7p. Arggg.
Code with Cherry MX Clears is back in stock, apparently...
F-ing sucks. My manager approved me to get one of these boards, but I have to have our secretary order it. Why can't they send out this email in the morning. I'm sure they'll be out of stock again by the time our secretary gets in in the morning. Last time the email came at 4:30p on a Friday afternoon, now at 7p. Arggg.
can't you get reimbursed for it?
Code with Cherry MX Clears is back in stock, apparently...
F-ing sucks. My manager approved me to get one of these boards, but I have to have our secretary order it. Why can't they send out this email in the morning. I'm sure they'll be out of stock again by the time our secretary gets in in the morning. Last time the email came at 4:30p on a Friday afternoon, now at 7p. Arggg.
can't you get reimbursed for it?
Well, she was able to get one this morning as they're still in stock. You'd think I'd be able to be reimbursed, but there'd be a mound of paperwork and would create work for people, very much frowned upon....smh.
Looking at the manual, what are "OS Keys"?
I just ordered a 104 key MX clears for work. New office, new title, new keyboard.
I just ordered a 104 key MX clears for work. New office, new title, new keyboard.
that's a weird way of spelling greens
I just ordered a 104 key MX clears for work. New office, new title, new keyboard.
that's a weird way of spelling greens
Greens are for women who can't handle buckling springs.
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?It depends. I'd go for Ducky.
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Don't 45g Topre.
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Choose Topre.
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Choose Topre.
I would, but they don't have 55g White right now :-D
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Choose Topre.
I would, but they don't have 55g White right now :-D
Have you checked the classifieds here?
I caved and bought one of the clears. It will be my first mechanical keyboard. I'm looking forward to it.
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Choose Topre.
Code with clears VS Ducky Shine 3 TKL with browns?
What to choose?
Thanks!)
Choose Topre.
Topre is life, Topre is love. Spread Topre, It's the Geekhack Way.
Code with Cherry MX Clears is back in stock, apparently...
Code with Cherry MX Clears is back in stock, apparently...
Interestingly this second batch of Code Clear is still in stock... I was thinking that it would sell out in a day again (like the first batch), but I guess not...
I am still lukewarm about my Code Clear after two weeks of intensive use to "break in". I have finally attained enough experience on it to trigger on every stroke with certainty without having to bottom-out. However, the Clear spring still feels a bit too heavy for my fingers. This is quite a surprise to me since I actually feel MX Green is just right. My theory is that I manage to stop the downstroke earlier in Green due to the audible/tactile feedback at the trigger point, whereas for Clear I stop a bit too late. I guess I will just have to give this another two weeks.
I'm really tempted to get the Code Green via Massdrop for my own personal use. My GF certainly doesn't think I should, but the 3 foot deep pile of shoes in our coat closet would indicate she has no legs to stand one :))She should be grateful because all you want is just a keyboard, as opposed to a $200 skull key cap.
So the clears appear to be a batch available for early april. The new page appears to suggest that another batch is planned for the end of april.
With no outlined future batches of any code boards for the short future after that.
Shipping to Australia is a minimum $55 though! (Yes it is a heavy and bulky item to send, but theres no first class option, only priority mail :( )
I caved and bought one of the clears. It will be my first mechanical keyboard. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm really tempted to get the Code Green via Massdrop for my own personal use. My GF certainly doesn't think I should, but the 3 foot deep pile of shoes in our coat closet would indicate she has no legs to stand one :))
Shipping to Australia is a minimum $55 though! (Yes it is a heavy and bulky item to send, but theres no first class option, only priority mail :( )
Does anyone have experience with massdrop? Who handles exchanges for defective product? There's absolutely zero on their site about returns and exchanges.
So the clears appear to be a batch available for early april. The new page appears to suggest that another batch is planned for the end of april.
With no outlined future batches of any code boards for the short future after that.
Shipping to Australia is a minimum $55 though! (Yes it is a heavy and bulky item to send, but theres no first class option, only priority mail :( )
So the clears appear to be a batch available for early april. The new page appears to suggest that another batch is planned for the end of april.
With no outlined future batches of any code boards for the short future after that.
Shipping to Australia is a minimum $55 though! (Yes it is a heavy and bulky item to send, but theres no first class option, only priority mail :( )
Just got in on the massdrop groupbuy for one of the mx green codes. Shipping to Australia costs about 27$ usd. Get one now! : )
Does anyone have experience with massdrop? Who handles exchanges for defective product? There's absolutely zero on their site about returns and exchanges.
You should be able to go straight to WASD. Massdrop would be secondary if for some reason WASD turned you away, but I doubt they would.
Just shoot Support(at)massdrop(dot)com an email if you have any questions, they are usually quick to reply.
Every product you purchase from Massdrop has a one-year warranty. If anything ever goes wrong with your product within that time period, feel free to let us know and we'll take care of you.
So the clears appear to be a batch available for early april. The new page appears to suggest that another batch is planned for the end of april.
With no outlined future batches of any code boards for the short future after that.
Shipping to Australia is a minimum $55 though! (Yes it is a heavy and bulky item to send, but theres no first class option, only priority mail :( )
Just got in on the massdrop groupbuy for one of the mx green codes. Shipping to Australia costs about 27$ usd. Get one now! : )
That's pretty good - about the cheapest shipping to get a keyboard here that I have seen!
Having a hard time deciding between the 87 and 104 key on Massdrop. I have an MX Brown board for gaming, this would be for typing, where I think I'd want the 10 key, but I don't really use it all that much. And it's only $5 more to get the 104.
Having a hard time deciding between the 87 and 104 key on Massdrop. I have an MX Brown board for gaming, this would be for typing, where I think I'd want the 10 key, but I don't really use it all that much. And it's only $5 more to get the 104.
The size only bothers me because the pull out tray on my clybourn desk (feel free to google) is slightly small if you have a full size keyboard and a mouse pad any larger than standard (gaming size won't fit easily).
I got it in the mail today and I've started to try it out. I went ahead and flipped the DIP switches to Mac mode and turned on the backlighting to make sure all the features worked. I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.
I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.
but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.
but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.
I got it in the mail today and I've started to try it out. I went ahead and flipped the DIP switches to Mac mode and turned on the backlighting to make sure all the features worked. I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aZdMUwn.gif)
The size only bothers me because the pull out tray on my clybourn desk (feel free to google) is slightly small if you have a full size keyboard and a mouse pad any larger than standard (gaming size won't fit easily).
Thanks for the tips. This is kinda the situation I'm in. My desk has a keyboard tray that's really only big enough for a full size keyboard and a regular mousepad. That's not really an issue for me, but what is, with a full size keyboard, my right arm is at a funny angle for typing if my chair is centred with the keyboard tray. I'm thinking a tkl shifted to the right would help with that issue. I've never had a tlk other than on a laptop, so I'm thinking I may just try out a tkl.
but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.
omg, I lost it, I'm in tears......
I'm not sure whether working with someone who uses caps lock as their shift key this makes it funnier or just sad. I think it's a multi-tasking thing that stumps him. I asked him to hit ctrl-alt-delete and go into task manager once, and he hit the reset button on the front of his computer instead.
I got it in the mail today and I've started to try it out. I went ahead and flipped the DIP switches to Mac mode and turned on the backlighting to make sure all the features worked. I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.
I got it in the mail today and I've started to try it out. I went ahead and flipped the DIP switches to Mac mode and turned on the backlighting to make sure all the features worked. I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aZdMUwn.gif)
I got it in the mail today and I've started to try it out. I went ahead and flipped the DIP switches to Mac mode and turned on the backlighting to make sure all the features worked. I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.I noticed the ability to turn off the caps lock key and turn it into control. I really like that feature, but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock. it is a lot better than what I was using before.but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.but I have to get used to using shift rather than caps lock.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aZdMUwn.gif)
Sean Wrona apparently uses Caps Lock all the time, even for a single uppercase character.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26909.msg506482#msg506482
HHKB does away with the Caps Lock key and relegates it to a function layer. Sean Wrona should change his name to Sean Wrong
It's possibly useful for when you're typing at >140wpm.
Or in other words it's utterly useless for 99.999%* of keyboarders.
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* Underestimation for the sake of argument.
Got two of them today, both of them have insane "pinging", I don't even have to type, I can just swipe my hand over the keys and it sounds more like an instrument (a bad one) than a keyboard. Will never by a WASD board again, that's for sure.
Yeah, one of my Filcos had a bit of a pinging on some keys, this is another league, hell another sport. I wonder how they actually motivate this level of noise in QC.Got two of them today, both of them have insane "pinging", I don't even have to type, I can just swipe my hand over the keys and it sounds more like an instrument (a bad one) than a keyboard. Will never by a WASD board again, that's for sure.
Yeah, mine is the same way. People complain about Filcos pinging. This thing make a Filco sound like a Topre. Pingtastic! When I type it sounds like it's ringing.
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
If I didn't already pay a lot of taxes and customs fees on mine and the shipping back would se me back even more I would return them without a doubt.I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
Ah great.. so now I have that to look forward to once mine arrives :(
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
Ah great.. so now I have that to look forward to once mine arrives :(
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
Quick video, as you can see you don't even have to press the keys, just touch them.
http://pixelsinlove.se/temp/ping.mp4
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
Quick video, as you can see you don't even have to press the keys, just touch them.
http://pixelsinlove.se/temp/ping.mp4
I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
Quick video, as you can see you don't even have to press the keys, just touch them.
http://pixelsinlove.se/temp/ping.mp4
With headphones it should be quite clear, I have a harder time hearing it on my desktop speakers. I wonder if it's the steel backplate they're bragging about on the home page, seems like something that would vibrate/resonate quite a lot.I wonder if it's just an issue with certain batches. Out of curiosity are you using the ones with clear of green switches?Clear switches, all keys on both boards. Latest batch that came in late April.
Quick video, as you can see you don't even have to press the keys, just touch them.
http://pixelsinlove.se/temp/ping.mp4
Maybe I have bad ears?? I hear no ping. Definitely hear it here.
You feel like the spacing is different from a Filco TKL?? Looks like standard TKL layout no?
I also prefer keys a bit closer together like HHKB2 and even the Filco TKL I owned.
You feel like the spacing is different from a Filco TKL?? Looks like standard TKL layout no?It does seem that way, the code 104 seems like it has a tiny bit more between the keys themselves. But maybe that's only the visual effect of the white between the keys on the Code that makes me think the spacing is different.
You feel like the spacing is different from a Filco TKL?? Looks like standard TKL layout no?It does seem that way, the code 104 seems like it has a tiny bit more between the keys themselves. But maybe that's only the visual effect of the white between the keys on the Code that makes me think the spacing is different.
mine came today too. Its my SECOND favorite, still behind my topre 55g. But my favorite cherry switch so far. No pings or pongs except stabliziers that need lubing.
Backlight with the white place is very nice. dip switches are usefull too.
Some picsShow Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/03/2uta5ury.jpg)Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/03/zedenyza.jpg)Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/03/9u6ebyry.jpg)
Nice black keyboard with white LED and plate, but your space bar appears to be defective.
Probably referring to the white not being visible on the spacebar? Looks normal from the mfg website pics. Anyone know why wasd is no longer listed in the vendor forums?
The spacebar switch on mine does not have an LED. That is the only switch on the entire keyboard (87 Clear) that does not feature an LED.
You feel like the spacing is different from a Filco TKL?? Looks like standard TKL layout no?
I also prefer keys a bit closer together like HHKB2 and even the Filco TKL I owned.
The Code case is a little bigger than the filco
at least the TKL one.
The Filco ends basically where the keycaps are on the Code, its basically like half a CM longer.
This causes the spacing to be wider.
The Code case is a little bigger than the filco
at least the TKL one.
The Filco ends basically where the keycaps are on the Code, its basically like half a CM longer.
This causes the spacing to be wider.
Code just has more padding the side and the key layout is essentially the same as a Filco. The padding on the TKL is not done very well too... you can see from the pictures that the padding on the right on the Code is much thicker than the padding on the left. In contrast, it's perfectly symmetric in the Filco.
Filco MJ2 TKL on top
Code Clear TKL on bottom
Code just has more padding the side and the key layout is essentially the same as a Filco. The padding on the TKL is not done very well too... you can see from the pictures that the padding on the right on the Code is much thicker than the padding on the left. In contrast, it's perfectly symmetric in the Filco.
Filco MJ2 TKL on top
Code Clear TKL on bottom
AH! You're absolutely right. My CODE TKL also has a very fat right side padding.
Key Spacing:
Our key spacing is identical to Filco. Any perceived difference is simply because the white backplate makes the gap appear larger. Our case is slightly thicker, but that does not affect the key spacing.
Spacebar:
Since the spacebar does not have a legend to be illuminated, no LED is installed in that switch.
Case padding:
I admit there definitely could have been much improvement here. It was the result of a mistake from our tooling vendor, but due to time to remake the mold, we were basically forced to stick with it. While it's noticeable, it's something you'd probably never notice again after a few days.
Nice black keyboard with white LED and plate, but your space bar appears to be defective.
What you mean? He didn't mention anything about the spacebar. Are you talking about his RF in the back?
Code just has more padding the side and the key layout is essentially the same as a Filco. The padding on the TKL is not done very well too... you can see from the pictures that the padding on the right on the Code is much thicker than the padding on the left. In contrast, it's perfectly symmetric in the Filco.
Filco MJ2 TKL on top
Code Clear TKL on bottom
Case padding:
I admit there definitely could have been much improvement here. It was the result of a mistake from our tooling vendor, but due to time to remake the mold, we were basically forced to stick with it. While it's noticeable, it's something you'd probably never notice again after a few days.
Does anyone know if the Code will fit in an aluminum case designed for a Filco? (Tkl)
Does anyone know if the Code will fit in an aluminum case designed for a Filco? (Tkl)
Does anyone know if the Code will fit in an aluminum case designed for a Filco? (Tkl)
Does anyone know if the Code will fit in an aluminum case designed for a Filco? (Tkl)
Looks like it'll work http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg1297869#msg1297869
Does anybody actually make a 104 key Alu case?
Does anybody actually make a 104 key Alu case?
Well, Ducky does, but you have to buy the included PCB and plate. ;)
Does anyone know if the Code will fit in an aluminum case designed for a Filco? (Tkl)
Looks like it'll work http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg1297869#msg1297869
i stand corrected, time to PM that guy =)
Case padding:
I admit there definitely could have been much improvement here. It was the result of a mistake from our tooling vendor, but due to time to remake the mold, we were basically forced to stick with it. While it's noticeable, it's something you'd probably never notice again after a few days.
Does this affect every TKL from WASD? Or just Code?
(And will this get fixed? Like in a Code V2?)
Key Spacing:
Our key spacing is identical to Filco. Any perceived difference is simply because the white backplate makes the gap appear larger. Our case is slightly thicker, but that does not affect the key spacing.
Spacebar:
Since the spacebar does not have a legend to be illuminated, no LED is installed in that switch.
Case padding:
I admit there definitely could have been much improvement here. It was the result of a mistake from our tooling vendor, but due to time to remake the mold, we were basically forced to stick with it. While it's noticeable, it's something you'd probably never notice again after a few days.
Can you speak to the awful ping people are experiencing?
Key Spacing:
Our key spacing is identical to Filco. Any perceived difference is simply because the white backplate makes the gap appear larger. Our case is slightly thicker, but that does not affect the key spacing.
Spacebar:
Since the spacebar does not have a legend to be illuminated, no LED is installed in that switch.
Case padding:
I admit there definitely could have been much improvement here. It was the result of a mistake from our tooling vendor, but due to time to remake the mold, we were basically forced to stick with it. While it's noticeable, it's something you'd probably never notice again after a few days.
Can you speak to the awful ping people are experiencing?
This is just the effect of vibration on the springs inside the switch itself. I do find that Clears seem to ring more than other switches. I've experienced the same even when comparing keyboards from other brands/OEM's.
Does anyone know if the Code will fit in an aluminum case designed for a Filco? (Tkl)
Looks like it'll work http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg1297869#msg1297869
i stand corrected, time to PM that guy =)
That Guy here!
Aside from the obvious disclaimers, there are two downsides to throwing the CODE into the Filco aluminum case. The detachable cable ends up inside the aluminum housing and can no longer be detached, and the dipswitches on the keyboard are no longer accessible. A small price to pay for the end result, though!
Hehe i am quite new to mechanical keyboard and I don't really want to flood the forum with useless post :). To make this post useful I can say that I prefer pbt caps over abs. And the code has a ABS caps, not good for me. Ordered it before knowing the difference between those two "feelings".
Hehe i am quite new to mechanical keyboard and I don't really want to flood the forum with useless post :). To make this post useful I can say that I prefer pbt caps over abs. And the code has a ABS caps, not good for me. Ordered it before knowing the difference between those two "feelings".
Yeah your choices are reduced if you want backlighting with PBT caps. They are out there but not as much as ABS.
Hehe i am quite new to mechanical keyboard and I don't really want to flood the forum with useless post :). To make this post useful I can say that I prefer pbt caps over abs. And the code has a ABS caps, not good for me. Ordered it before knowing the difference between those two "feelings".
Yeah your choices are reduced if you want backlighting with PBT caps. They are out there but not as much as ABS.
Yeah, I think i'd rather have PBT over ABS + light. Found out too late :(
Hehe i am quite new to mechanical keyboard and I don't really want to flood the forum with useless post :). To make this post useful I can say that I prefer pbt caps over abs. And the code has a ABS caps, not good for me. Ordered it before knowing the difference between those two "feelings".
Yeah your choices are reduced if you want backlighting with PBT caps. They are out there but not as much as ABS.
Yeah, I think i'd rather have PBT over ABS + light. Found out too late :(
Dook, Don't fret. I'm using the same board as you and I switched out all the keys for thick PBT's and the backlighting just borders the keys now which make it look good imo. Just get a new set of keys. That's what I always do when I see a nice board with the only downfall being it has ABS.
Just received my Code Green TKL from the massdrop sale. I have to say, the greens on this board are much quitter than I was thinking they'd be.
Just received my Code Green TKL from the massdrop sale. I have to say, the greens on this board are much quitter than I was thinking they'd be. I just got my Code Clear at work, and I like both the greens and the clears. This is my first TKL board, and it'll take some getting used to no num pad.... I keep hitting the right arrow as an enter key.
Oh, I hear it now when I bottom out relatively hard. With the greens I typically don't bottom out hard, if at all.
...t's still not as "pingy" as a Model M though!
WASD has already confirmed in this thread that it is as I suspected - resonation from the springs being used.
WASD has already confirmed in this thread that it is as I suspected - resonation from the springs being used.
WASD has already confirmed in this thread that it is as I suspected - resonation from the springs being used.
If I were them, I would consider using different materials for constructing my keyboards, then. I have several keyboards that have stock clears in them, and none sounds as terrible as that pingtastic CODE. There must be some combination of plate material, keyboard resonance, and springs that makes the CODE loud as hell. Then again, they sell out every production run, so what do I know?
WASD has already confirmed in this thread that it is as I suspected - resonation from the springs being used.
If I were them, I would consider using different materials for constructing my keyboards, then. I have several keyboards that have stock clears in them, and none sounds as terrible as that pingtastic CODE. There must be some combination of plate material, keyboard resonance, and springs that makes the CODE loud as hell. Then again, they sell out every production run, so what do I know?
It must be the springs used on the clears. I have to pound my keys and stick my ear right up to the board to hear any ping on mine and even then it's not as bad as what daerid posted.
It must be the springs used on the clears. I have to pound my keys and stick my ear right up to the board to hear any ping on mine and even then it's not as bad as what daerid posted.
Yes, Greens have an inferior spring, as well as the inferior stem. ;)
It must be the springs used on the clears. I have to pound my keys and stick my ear right up to the board to hear any ping on mine and even then it's not as bad as what daerid posted.
Yes, Greens have an inferior spring, as well as the inferior stem. ;)
It must be the springs used on the clears. I have to pound my keys and stick my ear right up to the board to hear any ping on mine and even then it's not as bad as what daerid posted.
Yes, Greens have an inferior spring, as well as the inferior stem. ;)
Did you mean to say clears? I thought stock clear springs are revered. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It must be the springs used on the clears. I have to pound my keys and stick my ear right up to the board to hear any ping on mine and even then it's not as bad as what daerid posted.
Yes, Greens have an inferior spring, as well as the inferior stem. ;)
Did you mean to say clears? I thought stock clear springs are revered. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I was just teasing smknjoe, but I personally believe stock clears to be superior to greens.
It seems like they just need to dampen the metal back plate just a little bit. Maybe have a more secure mounting to the case.
So just now, I noticed that the area above the arrow key cluster on my CODE heats up. It's not incredibly hot, but just warm enough where you can feel the heat coming off of it. Is this supposed to happen?
So just now, I noticed that the area above the arrow key cluster on my CODE heats up. It's not incredibly hot, but just warm enough where you can feel the heat coming off of it. Is this supposed to happen?
It's a bit warm on mine too and I believe this is where the electronics goes in modern Filco and similar keyboards. You can see it in photos. For example, see
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg939916#msg939916
3. When I was installing my Vortex key cap set, I noticed that they didn't lube the stabilizers on all the keys that had them (except for the spacebar). So I relubed them, and they're all fine and dandy now, but they were before I did this too. Just so you know, it might be a problem later if you don't lube them. Squeaky keys and such... Anyways, I found it really hard to put the keys back on because the stabilizers wouldn't rotate all the way out. Don't know why because my other WASD did. This made it rather difficult to gauge if they were on or not. Also, after installing the spacebar, I noticed that it now clicked like a Cherry MX Blue. LOL. WAT? I took it off and relubed it, but the click still persisted. I assume it's just the new spacebar's minutely larger size/thickness/weight that is doing something weird under there. Doesn't bother me because it still functions just fine.
any code customers from outside of us?
i would love to buy code keyboard but i am afraid of custom tax lol
did you pay custom tax when you get your code keyboard?
seems pretty noice
Je suis français ;Dany code customers from outside of us?
i would love to buy code keyboard but i am afraid of custom tax lol
did you pay custom tax when you get your code keyboard?
When I bought two TKL CODE keyboards, one for me and one for my brother, I paid around 60€ of import duty & taxes (VAT / duty fees / shipping company fees) here in France.
You shoud try to use this to calculate how much it will cost you : http://www.dutycalculator.com/
All included, each keyboard cost me around 160€ (~220$).
seems pretty noiceJe suis français ;Dany code customers from outside of us?
i would love to buy code keyboard but i am afraid of custom tax lol
did you pay custom tax when you get your code keyboard?
When I bought two TKL CODE keyboards, one for me and one for my brother, I paid around 60€ of import duty & taxes (VAT / duty fees / shipping company fees) here in France.
You shoud try to use this to calculate how much it will cost you : http://www.dutycalculator.com/
All included, each keyboard cost me around 160€ (~220$).
Tu as payé, 60 euros pour les deux claviers?
there is a massdrop for the Code Keyboard with MX clears going on now.
When I bought two TKL CODE keyboards, one for me and one for my brother, I paid around 60€ of import duty & taxes (VAT / duty fees / shipping company fees) here in France.
When I bought two TKL CODE keyboards, one for me and one for my brother, I paid around 60€ of import duty & taxes (VAT / duty fees / shipping company fees) here in France.
Are you noticing any ping on the TKL CODE? I just ordered one myself, and while the ping is a concern, it seems to largely be limited to the full-size boards. Even then, after watching the video demonstrating the issue, I don't think it's going to be enough to bother me.
Yeap I can hear some ping quite loudly from a few keys but it doesn't bother me so much.
I'll try to make a video soon tm
Yeap I can hear some ping quite loudly from a few keys but it doesn't bother me so much.
I'll try to make a video soon tm
Thanks for your feedback, and I look forward to seeing your video. I've watched the one that's been posted here a number of times, and it's honestly not going to bother me that much. I don't plan to use it with the legs up, which should mitigate some of the noise, and I'm hoping to further reduce it by installing some o-rings, which I was going to do regardless. Besides, I don't spend my days rasping at the keys like a cat pawing at a ball of yarn, so I think I'll be fine. The potential noise from the stabilizers will actually bug me more, which is something that's easily remedied.
was thinking of getting a code but chose not to because there was no ISO layout available, now that i see this pinging issues im happy i went for a v2 :)
I know that you've already ordered your keyboard but here it is :
Yeah, like divito, I am not see/hearing anything from the video too. What exactly are we looking at? That sounds completely normal to me.
The back lighting level is fine on the ones I have. I did get one where a couple keys were rather green. WASD promptly sent me a shipping label and replaced the ones that I didn't like no questions asked. Send em an email.
There's always this monstrosity:Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81p1o-fGJ5L._SL1500_.jpg)
Yeah they told me to go through massdrop. Not a good first impression really.
Well, that's how it actually works in Europe, as required by law. ~_^Yeah they told me to go through massdrop. Not a good first impression really.
I would question that as well. WASD is basically the "manufacturer" of this keyboard and as such, they should be the ones to support it. That's like Logitech telling you to ask Newegg for a replacement mouse when it breaks under warranty.
Yeah they told me to go through massdrop. Not a good first impression really.
I would question that as well. WASD is basically the "manufacturer" of this keyboard and as such, they should be the ones to support it. That's like Logitech telling you to ask Newegg for a replacement mouse when it breaks under warranty.
on the technical issue where this stems from, wasd stated that its not the keycaps but the led on the switch causing the greenness issue. Does that sound right?
I pulled the stabilizer from my left shift key and noted that its not arched like the ones in wasd's youtube videos, but instead is a flat C...really the easiest way to describe. They also told me to lube the stabilizers...but why isn't this qc'd before shipping out. Seems strange that customers need to lube a brand new keyboard.
That's how things are supposed to work. If there's an issue you contact the retailer you purchased the item from.
On another note, why is wasd keyboards no longer in the vendor forum?
On another note, why is wasd keyboards no longer in the vendor forum?
that is true, but it doesn't explain why massdrop has not responded in any way
massdrop should be the facilitator between the customer and wasd as they are the retailer in this case.
On another note, why is wasd keyboards no longer in the vendor forum?
D01, your opinion on the keycap vs switch led?
when I lifted the q, the led seemed perfectly white to me so I believe its a keycap issue, not sure why wasd would tell me that its the led.
I hope I didn't just have an unfortunate revelation about the massdrop business model...and how they're "saving" consumers money by buying return/refurbs from mfgs in bulk
I hope I didn't just have an unfortunate revelation about the massdrop business model...and how they're "saving" consumers money by buying return/refurbs from mfgs in bulk
Does anyone have issues with their keys getting stuck that are on stabilizers? I bought 2 keyboards in MX Green last month and they both had issues with the delete and shift button getting stuck on the sides. This happens after removing the included O-rings, but one of the boards gets stuck regardless of the O-ring or not.
Here's a vid of it happening on both keyboards:
I really liked the design, but had to return both (bought from Amazon) and now kind of apprehensive to get another board from WASD.
Does anyone have issues with their keys getting stuck that are on stabilizers? I bought 2 keyboards in MX Green last month and they both had issues with the delete and shift button getting stuck on the sides. This happens after removing the included O-rings, but one of the boards gets stuck regardless of the O-ring or not.
Here's a vid of it happening on both keyboards:
I really liked the design, but had to return both (bought from Amazon) and now kind of apprehensive to get another board from WASD.
Also, for those interested Massdrop still has yet to respond.
Also, for those interested Massdrop still has yet to respond.
Keep us posted. If they still don't respond, I'm going to cancel the order I have with them and do no further business.
SpecTP you should buy some lotto tickets :)
They just responded this morning lol. Not surprising since I filed my claim with amex.
I opened my CODE keyboard this evening and learned that there is only ONE SCREW holding the casing together (under the white "O.K. Do not remove" sticker). No need to look any further.
Prying apart the two halves of the keyboard and push the plastic clips can be tricky but overall, there is nothing really exciting to report ... except this :Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sg8I0Rd.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uszKgI5.jpg)
It does not really bother me but all the same I think there is room for improvement, don't you think ?
EDIT : I'll try to fix the ping tomorrow. More pics incoming.
PREFACE: The soldering in that Code looks atrocious. The melting was clearly unintentional. That is an embarrassing picture for WASD.
Thought I'd chime in about all this MassDrop hearsay.
I'm not sure how you haven't gotten a response. MD CS is insanely good, all the time.
If somehow their support desk is just ignoring you, you can directly contact any of those "active mods" and they'll respond really fast. You can even get Andy's cell number and talk to him directly.
I've spent thousands of dollars on items from MassDrop and only been disappointed by very few of them.
This isn't to say they are the be-all end-all of shopping. They occasionally do have buys for **** products or **** prices on good products.
I can't say with 100% certainty because I don't actually work for MD, but I'm nearly positive they are not selling you refurbished units. This is an absolutely insane conclusion to reach.
Wow I thought MD was about saving people money by putting together large orders. Then they can take some off the top for themselves. Apparently, that model isn't sustainable or the order quantities are not high enough for them to be making money.
From what I'm seeing here, it looks like their solution may be to have some of their buys use refurb products or products that weren't up to QC standards. They can definitely make some money here as those products will cost them a lot less, and they can still charge their usual slightly under retail prices allowing them to take more off the top than usual. Even if not all their buys are like this and they allow returns, is it ethical?
What's the difference between a Manufacturer and Distributor
The two are closely related and on the entire Massdrop site we use the two terms interchangeably. Manufacturers make things then wholesale them whereas distributors are just wholesalers. Some manufacturers have exclusive agreements with distributors, so they can't sell product to us even if they wanted to. Other manufacturers allow us to buy directly from them or a distributor, and depending on pricing and inventory, we determine the most effective option.
PREFACE: The soldering in that Code looks atrocious. The melting was clearly unintentional. That is an embarrassing picture for WASD.
Thought I'd chime in about all this MassDrop hearsay.
I'm not sure how you haven't gotten a response. MD CS is insanely good, all the time.
If somehow their support desk is just ignoring you, you can directly contact any of those "active mods" and they'll respond really fast. You can even get Andy's cell number and talk to him directly.
I've spent thousands of dollars on items from MassDrop and only been disappointed by very few of them.
This isn't to say they are the be-all end-all of shopping. They occasionally do have buys for **** products or **** prices on good products.
I can't say with 100% certainty because I don't actually work for MD, but I'm nearly positive they are not selling you refurbished units. This is an absolutely insane conclusion to reach.
Wow I thought MD was about saving people money by putting together large orders. Then they can take some off the top for themselves. Apparently, that model isn't sustainable or the order quantities are not high enough for them to be making money.
From what I'm seeing here, it looks like their solution may be to have some of their buys use refurb products or products that weren't up to QC standards. They can definitely make some money here as those products will cost them a lot less, and they can still charge their usual slightly under retail prices allowing them to take more off the top than usual. Even if not all their buys are like this and they allow returns, is it ethical?
Wow I thought MD was about saving people money by putting together large orders. Then they can take some off the top for themselves. Apparently, that model isn't sustainable or the order quantities are not high enough for them to be making money.
From what I'm seeing here, it looks like their solution may be to have some of their buys use refurb products or products that weren't up to QC standards. They can definitely make some money here as those products will cost them a lot less, and they can still charge their usual slightly under retail prices allowing them to take more off the top than usual. Even if not all their buys are like this and they allow returns, is it ethical?
There is no proof there are doing this. You are all spreading hearsay.
As for returns: you always deal with MD, not the manufacturer. This isn't shiesty, it's how it works.
from the FAQQuoteWhat's the difference between a Manufacturer and Distributor
The two are closely related and on the entire Massdrop site we use the two terms interchangeably. Manufacturers make things then wholesale them whereas distributors are just wholesalers. Some manufacturers have exclusive agreements with distributors, so they can't sell product to us even if they wanted to. Other manufacturers allow us to buy directly from them or a distributor, and depending on pricing and inventory, we determine the most effective option.
You should read how something works more carefully before signing up, agreeing to use it, and throwing money at it.
Anways, let's stop talking about how terrible MD is in this Code Keyboard thread, okay?
Wow I thought MD was about saving people money by putting together large orders. Then they can take some off the top for themselves. Apparently, that model isn't sustainable or the order quantities are not high enough for them to be making money.
From what I'm seeing here, it looks like their solution may be to have some of their buys use refurb products or products that weren't up to QC standards. They can definitely make some money here as those products will cost them a lot less, and they can still charge their usual slightly under retail prices allowing them to take more off the top than usual. Even if not all their buys are like this and they allow returns, is it ethical?
There is no proof there are doing this. You are all spreading hearsay.
As for returns: you always deal with MD, not the manufacturer. This isn't shiesty, it's how it works.
from the FAQQuoteWhat's the difference between a Manufacturer and Distributor
The two are closely related and on the entire Massdrop site we use the two terms interchangeably. Manufacturers make things then wholesale them whereas distributors are just wholesalers. Some manufacturers have exclusive agreements with distributors, so they can't sell product to us even if they wanted to. Other manufacturers allow us to buy directly from them or a distributor, and depending on pricing and inventory, we determine the most effective option.
You should read how something works more carefully before signing up, agreeing to use it, and throwing money at it.
Anways, let's stop talking about how terrible MD is in this Code Keyboard thread, okay?
Wow I thought MD was about saving people money by putting together large orders. Then they can take some off the top for themselves. Apparently, that model isn't sustainable or the order quantities are not high enough for them to be making money.
From what I'm seeing here, it looks like their solution may be to have some of their buys use refurb products or products that weren't up to QC standards. They can definitely make some money here as those products will cost them a lot less, and they can still charge their usual slightly under retail prices allowing them to take more off the top than usual. Even if not all their buys are like this and they allow returns, is it ethical?
There is no proof there are doing this. You are all spreading hearsay.
As for returns: you always deal with MD, not the manufacturer. This isn't shiesty, it's how it works.
from the FAQQuoteWhat's the difference between a Manufacturer and Distributor
The two are closely related and on the entire Massdrop site we use the two terms interchangeably. Manufacturers make things then wholesale them whereas distributors are just wholesalers. Some manufacturers have exclusive agreements with distributors, so they can't sell product to us even if they wanted to. Other manufacturers allow us to buy directly from them or a distributor, and depending on pricing and inventory, we determine the most effective option.
You should read how something works more carefully before signing up, agreeing to use it, and throwing money at it.
Anways, let's stop talking about how terrible MD is in this Code Keyboard thread, okay?
clearly it's a bone of contention, so it's pertinent to talk about it here.
your quote from the FAQ doesn't explain why people who buy from MassDrop have to deal with MassDrop when items manufactured by companies who are not MassDrop go wrong.
Usually, normal procedure is to contact the manufacturer of the product if there is a defect or warranty claim. from what we're seeing here, WASD Keyboards are being less than forthcoming.
but it's cool, lets not talk about the possibility of MassDrop selling return / refurb units.
/me sweeps under the carpet
I'll admit its an unsubstantiated guess, but we can at least admit to the possibility that the MD units were not QC'd with the same standards as their direct to customer products. The lack of immediate response from MD and willingness to help from MD speak volumes to me.I'll concede that this statement is accurate.
QuoteI'll admit its an unsubstantiated guess, but we can at least admit to the possibility that the MD units were not QC'd with the same standards as their direct to customer products. The lack of immediate response from MD and willingness to help from MD speak volumes to me.I'll concede that this statement is accurate.
I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying that in my own, and thousands of other's experience, CS is immediate and extremely helpful.
I've personally had units replaced and have heard of people talking to staff directly on their personal phones to resolve the issues.
In this case where they remained silent, who knows what the issue was.
Did you only send 1 email? Was it definitely received?
Are you 100% positive someone didn't just open it and never replied?
Human error exists everywhere.
I'm not saying that the possibility of little to no QC happening on MD units is non existent,
I'm saying you're raving like MD is as lot of scammers out to take all your money and **** you over.
Something I feel has been greatly overstated.
edit: it's not like MD opens every keyboard and looks at the soldering, isn't it possible they had no idea of low quality units?
everyone is assuming their "silence" in this case is evidence enough.
On the mfg side, at least with my experience so far and from other geekhackers here, you get better support if you bought through them directly---a good example is apple products for example.
@osc - Even if the keyboards were refurbished in some way, they should still carry some kind of guarantee against defects, even if it's just for 30-60 days.
On the mfg side, at least with my experience so far and from other geekhackers here, you get better support if you bought through them directly---a good example is apple products for example.
That's not a good example at all. My last several Apple purchases (iPhone 4S, iPhone 5S, iPod Touch, and 2 MacBook Pros) were all made at a discount from places other than directly from the company. In the rare instances where I've needed service, I was able to take them to an Apple retail store where the issues were handled promptly, professionally, and with no questions asked other than them seeing the problems and validating the warranty.
This is far more than I could say for my wife's old HP and Toshiba laptops where trying to get them fixed was an exercise in frustration and failure.
@osc - Even if the keyboards were refurbished in some way, they should still carry some kind of guarantee against defects, even if it's just for 30-60 days.
Everything posted regarding WASD's and MD's motivations for responding (or not) the way they have in this situation is still pure speculation. Still, something seems very rotten.
@osc - Even if the keyboards were refurbished in some way, they should still carry some kind of guarantee against defects, even if it's just for 30-60 days.
that would be a warranty covered by the place where the item was sold, and not honoured by the manufacturer.
which is exactly what this seems to be.
QuoteI'll admit its an unsubstantiated guess, but we can at least admit to the possibility that the MD units were not QC'd with the same standards as their direct to customer products. The lack of immediate response from MD and willingness to help from MD speak volumes to me.I'll concede that this statement is accurate.
I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying that in my own, and thousands of other's experience, CS is immediate and extremely helpful.
I've personally had units replaced and have heard of people talking to staff directly on their personal phones to resolve the issues.
In this case where they remained silent, who knows what the issue was.
Did you only send 1 email? Was it definitely received?
Are you 100% positive someone didn't just open it and never replied?
Human error exists everywhere.
I'm not saying that the possibility of little to no QC happening on MD units is non existent,
I'm saying you're raving like MD is as lot of scammers out to take all your money and **** you over.
Something I feel has been greatly overstated.
edit: it's not like MD opens every keyboard and looks at the soldering, isn't it possible they had no idea of low quality units?
everyone is assuming their "silence" in this case is evidence enough.
The only time a manufacturer refuses to honour warranty is if the warranty is void. This is a fact.
The only logical reasons for WASD Keyboards to not honour the warranty on a CODE Keyboard bought via MassDrop would be:
1. The keyboards are refurb / return items, which would be exempt from warranty directly with WASD Keyboards.
2. The keyboards are not actually manufactured by WASD Keyboards, in which case they are not CODE Keyboards at all, and that's a whole 'nother ball game of legalities.
PREFACE: The soldering in that Code looks atrocious. The melting was clearly unintentional. That is an embarrassing picture for WASD.
Thought I'd chime in about all this MassDrop hearsay.
I'm not sure how you haven't gotten a response. MD CS is insanely good, all the time.
If somehow their support desk is just ignoring you, you can directly contact any of those "active mods" and they'll respond really fast. You can even get Andy's cell number and talk to him directly.
I've spent thousands of dollars on items from MassDrop and only been disappointed by very few of them.
This isn't to say they are the be-all end-all of shopping. They occasionally do have buys for **** products or **** prices on good products.
I can't say with 100% certainty because I don't actually work for MD, but I'm nearly positive they are not selling you refurbished units. This is an absolutely insane conclusion to reach.
I've stated previously about their lack of response both on the website and through email. At this point I will let amex deal with it, and guess what, as soon as my dispute was submitted boom instant reply from massdrop. That is pathetic CS to me. WASD hasn't really impressed me given a few others geekhackers complaints about getting simple things fixed, though that seems to be the case with cm storm and a few others as well.
I personally will never purchase from MD again, but as always you and others are free to vote with your wallet.
I've dealt with quite a few of these speciality small businesses in the past and almost all have been quick to respond and practically bend over backwards to get something fixed. It will be a week soon at this point, and I feel the correct solution would've been to immediately send out a replacement and a slip to send the defective unit back, but both wasd and massdrop want to brush me off and hope that I will just live with the defective unit.
@osc - Even if the keyboards were refurbished in some way, they should still carry some kind of guarantee against defects, even if it's just for 30-60 days.
that would be a warranty covered by the place where the item was sold, and not honoured by the manufacturer.
which is exactly what this seems to be.
Where are you getting this information from?
Is there a US law that dictates this?
At this point I'm only advocating the devil, and trying to discern speculation and hearsay from the truth.QuoteI'll admit its an unsubstantiated guess, but we can at least admit to the possibility that the MD units were not QC'd with the same standards as their direct to customer products. The lack of immediate response from MD and willingness to help from MD speak volumes to me.I'll concede that this statement is accurate.
I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying that in my own, and thousands of other's experience, CS is immediate and extremely helpful.
I've personally had units replaced and have heard of people talking to staff directly on their personal phones to resolve the issues.
In this case where they remained silent, who knows what the issue was.
Did you only send 1 email? Was it definitely received?
Are you 100% positive someone didn't just open it and never replied?
Human error exists everywhere.
I'm not saying that the possibility of little to no QC happening on MD units is non existent,
I'm saying you're raving like MD is as lot of scammers out to take all your money and **** you over.
Something I feel has been greatly overstated.
edit: it's not like MD opens every keyboard and looks at the soldering, isn't it possible they had no idea of low quality units?
everyone is assuming their "silence" in this case is evidence enough.
The only time a manufacturer refuses to honour warranty is if the warranty is void. This is a fact.
The only logical reasons for WASD Keyboards to not honour the warranty on a CODE Keyboard bought via MassDrop would be:
1. The keyboards are refurb / return items, which would be exempt from warranty directly with WASD Keyboards.
2. The keyboards are not actually manufactured by WASD Keyboards, in which case they are not CODE Keyboards at all, and that's a whole 'nother ball game of legalities.
From the day you said you received the keyboard to the day that you said you got a response from mass drop was two days. Just saying, that's not pathetic customer service by any means.
It seems like there's a lot of speculation here and I wanted to shed some light on some of these issues:
1. We would first like to apologize that you received a defective unit. All keyboards sold through our website and authorized resellers (including Massdrop) are all covered by our 2-year warranty. However, within the initial 30 days of purchase, any warranty issues are typically handled by the reseller as they would just replace your unit with a new one they have on hand. (This may vary depending on the place you purchase the keyboard from).
2. Massdrop is providing support for all the CODE keyboards sold through them and prefers to service their customers directly. Therefore, if we are contacted first and we feel a replacement unit is needed, we will direct you back to Massdrop.
It seems like there's a lot of speculation here and I wanted to shed some light on some of these issues:
1. We would first like to apologize that you received a defective unit. All keyboards sold through our website and authorized resellers (including Massdrop) are all covered by our 2-year warranty. However, within the initial 30 days of purchase, any warranty issues are typically handled by the reseller as they would just replace your unit with a new one they have on hand. (This may vary depending on the place you purchase the keyboard from).
2. Massdrop is providing support for all the CODE keyboards sold through them and prefers to service their customers directly. Therefore, if we are contacted first and we feel a replacement unit is needed, we will direct you back to Massdrop.
3. Units sold through Massdrop is from the same stock that we sell and are NOT refurbished units. We would never produce a batch of sub-par units to save on costs and never sell any refurbished that is not clearly labeled as such. That said, manufacturing defects can and will happen. Although our factory does it best to check for these things, it's not unreasonable that something slips by from time to time. We're all human and mistakes happen. When something like this does happen, we'll make sure the customer is serviced as quickly as possible.
4. I can't speak for Massdrop as to what may have caused a lack of response to this specific case. Like others have said, their customer is very quick to respond to any issues. We'll be in touch with them to see what the issue is.
I opened my CODE keyboard this evening and learned that there is only ONE SCREW holding the casing together (under the white "O.K. Do not remove" sticker). No need to look any further.
Prying apart the two halves of the keyboard and push the plastic clips can be tricky but overall, there is nothing really exciting to report ... except this :
(http://i.imgur.com/sg8I0Rd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sg8I0Rd.jpg)
From the day you said you received the keyboard to the day that you said you got a response from mass drop was two days. Just saying, that's not pathetic customer service by any means.
Read what he said again. He sent emails to MD over the course of a week, only to receive a response after he got his credit card company involved.
Recalling the poker 2 drop they set aside extras for rma and such. I don't recall that being mentioned in the CODE thread though.
Still awaiting a response from MD about getting the exchange. WASD may be correct in referring me to MD, but if they didn't receive any extras isn't it WASD's responsibility for warranty work?
In other words customers are between a rock and a hard place as they are at the mercy of both companies' responsiveness.
Recalling the poker 2 drop they set aside extras for rma and such. I don't recall that being mentioned in the CODE thread though.
Still awaiting a response from MD about getting the exchange. WASD may be correct in referring me to MD, but if they didn't receive any extras isn't it WASD's responsibility for warranty work?
In other words customers are between a rock and a hard place as they are at the mercy of both companies' responsiveness.
I'm abit disappointed but I guess there is nothing that can't be fixed.
Stuffing the keyboard with foam was not as easy as I thought !
The casing is mainly held by twelve plastic clips (and one screw) so you can't really put too much stress on them when re-assembling the keyboard. I had to cut the foam in smaller pieces to be able to close the casing properly.
The result looks ok - let's give it a try for a few days.
More pictures here (http://imgur.com/a/D2HQI).
Stuffing the keyboard with foam was not as easy as I thought !
The casing is mainly held by twelve plastic clips (and one screw) so you can't really put too much stress on them when re-assembling the keyboard. I had to cut the foam in smaller pieces to be able to close the casing properly.
The result looks ok - let's give it a try for a few days.
More pictures here (http://imgur.com/a/D2HQI).
It seems like there's a lot of speculation here and I wanted to shed some light on some of these issues:
1. We would first like to apologize that you received a defective unit. All keyboards sold through our website and authorized resellers (including Massdrop) are all covered by our 2-year warranty. However, within the initial 30 days of purchase, any warranty issues are typically handled by the reseller as they would just replace your unit with a new one they have on hand. (This may vary depending on the place you purchase the keyboard from).
2. Massdrop is providing support for all the CODE keyboards sold through them and prefers to service their customers directly. Therefore, if we are contacted first and we feel a replacement unit is needed, we will direct you back to Massdrop.
3. Units sold through Massdrop is from the same stock that we sell and are NOT refurbished units. We would never produce a batch of sub-par units to save on costs and never sell any refurbished that is not clearly labeled as such. That said, manufacturing defects can and will happen. Although our factory does it best to check for these things, it's not unreasonable that something slips by from time to time. We're all human and mistakes happen. When something like this does happen, we'll make sure the customer is serviced as quickly as possible.
4. I can't speak for Massdrop as to what may have caused a lack of response to this specific case. Like others have said, their customer is very quick to respond to any issues. We'll be in touch with them to see what the issue is.
Good to hear this response, I'm curious did you happen to see the photos of the soldering posted above (quoted below)? I'm assuming this shouldn't be typical correct?Show ImageI opened my CODE keyboard this evening and learned that there is only ONE SCREW holding the casing together (under the white "O.K. Do not remove" sticker). No need to look any further.
Prying apart the two halves of the keyboard and push the plastic clips can be tricky but overall, there is nothing really exciting to report ... except this :
(http://i.imgur.com/sg8I0Rd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sg8I0Rd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uszKgI5.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/uszKgI5.jpg)
It does not really bother me but all the same I think there is room for improvement, don't you think ?
EDIT : I'll try to fix the ping tomorrow. More pics incoming.
Recalling the poker 2 drop they set aside extras for rma and such. I don't recall that being mentioned in the CODE thread though.
Still awaiting a response from MD about getting the exchange. WASD may be correct in referring me to MD, but if they didn't receive any extras isn't it WASD's responsibility for warranty work?
In other words customers are between a rock and a hard place as they are at the mercy of both companies' responsiveness.
So should I risk and buy code with clears from MD? :))
Or some issues present?
i can attest, i have a slight pinging in my code but its very solid
i don't remember if I posted my pics of my code disassembled, but i didn't see that soldering issue on my code.
Mine actually looked pretty clean
Here's my disassemble album again:
http://imgur.com/a/ODUjN
and my code now :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gtteyyt.jpg)
i can attest, i have a slight pinging in my code but its very solid
i don't remember if I posted my pics of my code disassembled, but i didn't see that soldering issue on my code.
Mine actually looked pretty clean
Here's my disassemble album again:
http://imgur.com/a/ODUjN
and my code now :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gtteyyt.jpg)
I've used your album to help me disassembling mine (gallery : http://imgur.com/a/D2HQI).
Thanks again IPT ;D