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geekhack Projects => Making Stuff Together! => Topic started by: CalmB4tehPwn on Wed, 28 August 2013, 23:09:57
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Okay, so I've got this idea. Make my own mouse. Teensy GB is up, a mouse sensor Kickstarter. Why not, right? I'm thinking of doing mechanical switches, but MX are a little big, but what about ML?
And housing I can take care of. I'm thinking of doing it out of wood, just because that's a material I know how to work.
What do you think? Am I missing any elements here? 2 ML switches (I've never used ML, so let me know if there's a reason not to), a sensor, and a teensie? Plus housing and a USB cable?
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Is there a reason you want to use MX or ML? I think damorgue (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47179.30) was the one saying he was going to use Cherry or Omron microswitch that many mice use. Just curious.
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I saw a thread awhile back where someone had hacked open their mouse and modded in an MX red (I think it was red) and he loved it. I'm concerned about the actuation distance (is that the term?) and I know ML is both shorter physically, and has a shorter press, so I thought it would be a good fit.
Are ML linear? Or tactile?
To answer your question honestly, it's mostly out of curiosity, with a bit of "why the hell not?" thrown in.
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Is there a reason you want to use MX or ML? I think damorgue (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47179.30) was the one saying he was going to use Cherry or Omron microswitch that many mice use. Just curious.
Yeah I'd personally steer clear of using keyboard switches for a mouse, something tells me your fingers would get mighty tired after a while.
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Aside from actuation distance, is there a reason you think so? Wouldn't say, an MX red be easier to press and actuate than, well, most of the mouses I've used?
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Well, somehow I missed that the kickstarter was finished almost two months ago.
Hmm.
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Aside from actuation distance, is there a reason you think so? Wouldn't say, an MX red be easier to press and actuate than, well, most of the mouses I've used?
I think that mice switches should be stiff so you can accurately click. I think an MX Red switch would be horrible because you'd accidentally click all the time.
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MX switches in a mouse would be awful. So much travel. Literally pointless.
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But ML has half the travel of an MX. I definitely don't want to do red, because I would like to know when it actuates, and I remember one of the problems being doubleclick, but I'd still like to explore other options. I'm alright doing it, and having it turn out just.. miserably. Then I'll open it back up and try again. But I don't know anything ML to know if it's even an option I want to explore. How does the actuation force compare, or if it's tactile. Figured someone should be able to shed some light for me, but I'll go research it and see if I can find an answer.
Aside from that. We're getting hung up on the fact that it's a cherry switch. Is there any other element that I need in a mouse, or is it really that easy?
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I don't think ML or MX is a wise choice. If I were you I would go with Cherry DG23-B1AA switches. I haven't tried them in a mouse, but to me they felt like a nicer version of the omrons that most mice use.
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Tough finding those for sale in small quantities. I might just take you up on that Photekq, but I think I'll pick up a couple MLs just feel it out. I'm still interested.
I did totally forget about a mousewheel, though.
Also, I can't find the sensor that was in the Kickstarter available anywhere else. Are there any other known options for sensors that work with Teensy?
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I would take a look at this page...
it might help your search for a good sensor
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2024663
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I would take a look at this page...
it might help your search for a good sensor
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2024663
Stupid Army computers, denying websites for no reason.
It'll have to wait until I'm off work D:
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https://www.tindie.com/products/jkicklighter/adns-9800-optical-laser-sensor/
Add yourself to the waitlist for the next round for John Kicklighter's sensor, I'm dead keen to order a couple from the next batch and do a similar project.
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One issue with other switches is the longer travel distance, but I am mainly bothered by the hysterisis. You need to release it and let it travel up until you can click again. You will not be able to double click very fast or perform other common mouse tasks very easily. You lack both speed and control over the length of the click as it is held down longer than intended. Feel free to try though.
Let me know if you need any help.
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https://www.tindie.com/products/jkicklighter/adns-9800-optical-laser-sensor/
Add yourself to the waitlist for the next round for John Kicklighter's sensor, I'm dead keen to order a couple from the next batch and do a similar project.
Joined. guess I can't do anything with it until I've got the Teensy anyways, so there's no burning rush to get started on this project.
One issue with other switches is the longer travel distance, but I am mainly bothered by the hysterisis. You need to release it and let it travel up until you can click again. You will not be able to double click very fast or perform other common mouse tasks very easily. You lack both speed and control over the length of the click as it is held down longer than intended. Feel free to try though.
Let me know if you need any help.
I wasn't too worried about double clicking, though I know it's an issue, but I planned on using it exclusively for gaming. So double clicks, as a specific problem, didn't really bother me. Plus, I can click an MX blue twice pretty damn quickly.
As I said, it's experimental. I don't even plan for it to succeed, and will cover myself by having some DG23-B1AA on hand. But I want to try. See if it's something I'd like to consider. So either way I'll pick up a couple MLs.
Now I need to figure out how to put a mousewheel in this thing.
do I really need a mousewheel if I'm using it for gaming?
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A suggestion is that you wire an MX switch to the correct positions of a regular mouse and try it out a bit. It has been done before, and I am not aware of anyone who lied it and kept it.
Regarding the sensors on Tindie:
As for restocking, that will probably be at least 3 weeks. These sold out way faster than I anticipated, so I'm working with the vendors to source new stock.
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Regarding the sensors on Tindie:
As for restocking, that will probably be at least 3 weeks. These sold out way faster than I anticipated, so I'm working with the vendors to source new stock.
Sweet, I was worried it was going to be a one time thing! Definitely going to order a couple from this batch, have a couple of ideas I'm mulling over at the moment.
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For switch yes,omron or MX (tactile/clicky) :thumb:
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Last thought about the switch: ML switches feel bind-y or grind-y if you don't hit them dead center. I don't mind it on a keyboard but I think for a mouse it'd be very uncomfortable.