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Title: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Sun, 01 September 2013, 04:13:32
Recently my Quickfire Pro broke (the lights just stopped working) after ~8 months of use. Currently I have the option to buy the Quickfire Stealth in Brown switches even though I've already had bad experience with them or the Ducky Pro in Blue switches  which I have heard much more about the build quality of a Ducky Pro than the Quickfire Stealth. Right now I'm leaning towards the Ducky. Also, I wish a CMStorm rep could answer this, what exactly is the difference between the Stealth and the Rapid? So ya, QFS or Ducky Pro?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Gazeb0 on Sun, 01 September 2013, 04:31:20
As per the differences between the QFRs and the QFSs, I believe the only difference is where the printing is on the keycaps (on top with the Rapids, on the side with the Stealths) and the selection of switches (like how greens are available on the stealth, but not on the rapid).
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Sun, 01 September 2013, 05:11:50
As per the differences between the QFRs and the QFSs, I believe the only difference is where the printing is on the keycaps (on top with the Rapids, on the side with the Stealths) and the selection of switches (like how greens are available on the stealth, but not on the rapid).
Are the side-printed keys easy to view?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Fragil1ty on Sun, 01 September 2013, 05:24:01
I'd go with the ducky pro tbh, seems to be a much better keyboard with a much sturdier construction.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: zenko on Sun, 01 September 2013, 05:37:37
Sorry, i just got this question: is the LED of mech-key easy to broke like that, or just because of it's CM's LED? I saw that the LED of fans in my PC case still work well after 2 years, 16hours/day :p

And, is ducky's LED the same as CM's LED?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: terran5992 on Sun, 01 September 2013, 05:54:20
This may be a stupid question but what is a ducky pro?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Sun, 01 September 2013, 06:18:08
I'd go with the ducky pro tbh, seems to be a much better keyboard with a much sturdier construction.
I've heard that the cmstorms are starting to get manufactured by the same OEM as filcos.

Sorry, i just got this question: is the LED of mech-key easy to broke like that, or just because of it's CM's LED? I saw that the LED of fans in my PC case still work well after 2 years, 16hours/day :p

And, is ducky's LED the same as CM's LED?
I'll let you in on a secret, the LEDs are my fault. My friend smashed it when i let him play a game of sc2 on the computer. Like hard. But the keys still worked surprisingly. The keys started to get funky later on. And neither of those has backlighting really.

This may be a stupid question but what is a ducky pro?

A fellow Terran! Don't feel stupid. Duckys are high end mechanical keyboards that i think user costar stabilizers and are very popular and are in league with filcos is im right.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 01 September 2013, 06:48:17
Ducky uses cherry stabilizers not costar, I'm very happy with the one I got but I don't really use it anymore.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: terran5992 on Sun, 01 September 2013, 06:53:27
I know what the brand ducky but i dont know what is a ducky pro. Could someone link me to the product?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 01 September 2013, 07:00:36
I know what the brand ducky but i dont know what is a ducky pro. Could someone link me to the product?
'Technically they are called Ducky G2pro
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: HendyZone on Sun, 01 September 2013, 07:32:51
I know what the brand ducky but i dont know what is a ducky pro. Could someone link me to the product?

this one sir -> DK9008G2-PRO / DK9087G2-PRO (same with shine 2 but only WASD LED)

http://duckychannel.com.tw/en/DK9008_G2Pro.html

Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: terran5992 on Sun, 01 September 2013, 07:39:01
Oh lol the g2 pro. Never real fond of the leds it have
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sun, 01 September 2013, 07:48:47
Recently my Quickfire Pro broke (the lights just stopped working) after ~8 months of use. Currently I have the option to buy the Quickfire Stealth in Brown switches even though I've already had bad experience with them or the Ducky Pro in Blue switches  which I have heard much more about the build quality of a Ducky Pro than the Quickfire Stealth. Right now I'm leaning towards the Ducky. Also, I wish a CMStorm rep could answer this, what exactly is the difference between the Stealth and the Rapid? So ya, QFS or Ducky Pro?

Technically, Quick Fire Stealth is very different with Quick Fire Pro.
Quick Fire Stealth is made in Taiwan by Costa.

IMO, Quick Fire Stealth and Duck Pro have similar quality, construction and keyboard feeling.
There is one obvious different, it is about the stabilizer (QFS uses Costa and Ducky uses Cherry)
Other than that, I think both keyboards are rock and solid.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Hyde on Sun, 01 September 2013, 09:28:04
I'd pick the QuickFire Stealth.

QuickFire Pro is actually made from a different place than QuickFire Stealth (Which has better quality).

And in terms of Costar stabilizer vs Cherry stabilizer, I like Costar better because Cherry stabilizer can feel a bit "mushy" when bottom out.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 01 September 2013, 10:15:06
I cannot make a direct comparison of these two specific boards. However, I had a Ducky Shine II with browns that had poor build quality -- warped case that wobbled on the desk. On the other hand, I have a CM QFS with greens that impresses me as a solid board with excellent build quality. The only issue I have with the CM board is that the braided cable is too stiff, and the recessed area around the cable connection needs to be bigger to make it easier to attach and detach the cable.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 01:20:56
Recently my Quickfire Pro broke (the lights just stopped working) after ~8 months of use. Currently I have the option to buy the Quickfire Stealth in Brown switches even though I've already had bad experience with them or the Ducky Pro in Blue switches  which I have heard much more about the build quality of a Ducky Pro than the Quickfire Stealth. Right now I'm leaning towards the Ducky. Also, I wish a CMStorm rep could answer this, what exactly is the difference between the Stealth and the Rapid? So ya, QFS or Ducky Pro?

Technically, Quick Fire Stealth is very different with Quick Fire Pro.
Quick Fire Stealth is made in Taiwan by Costa.

IMO, Quick Fire Stealth and Duck Pro have similar quality, construction and keyboard feeling.
There is one obvious different, it is about the stabilizer (QFS uses Costa and Ducky uses Cherry)
Other than that, I think both keyboards are rock and solid.

So which stabilizer do you think is of higher quality/better?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 01:21:41
And thanks everyone for these amazing replies, thank you so much!
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 01:25:28
Also, do you think i would be able to type and game when cherry reds?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: terran5992 on Mon, 02 September 2013, 01:31:14
Recently my Quickfire Pro broke (the lights just stopped working) after ~8 months of use. Currently I have the option to buy the Quickfire Stealth in Brown switches even though I've already had bad experience with them or the Ducky Pro in Blue switches  which I have heard much more about the build quality of a Ducky Pro than the Quickfire Stealth. Right now I'm leaning towards the Ducky. Also, I wish a CMStorm rep could answer this, what exactly is the difference between the Stealth and the Rapid? So ya, QFS or Ducky Pro?

Technically, Quick Fire Stealth is very different with Quick Fire Pro.
Quick Fire Stealth is made in Taiwan by Costa.

IMO, Quick Fire Stealth and Duck Pro have similar quality, construction and keyboard feeling.
There is one obvious different, it is about the stabilizer (QFS uses Costa and Ducky uses Cherry)
Other than that, I think both keyboards are rock and solid.

So which stabilizer do you think is of higher quality/better?

Corstar stabalizers are better.

Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 02:53:12
If i ordered a QFRS would the costar stabilizers be compatible with o-rings?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Mon, 02 September 2013, 04:35:57
Recently my Quickfire Pro broke (the lights just stopped working) after ~8 months of use. Currently I have the option to buy the Quickfire Stealth in Brown switches even though I've already had bad experience with them or the Ducky Pro in Blue switches  which I have heard much more about the build quality of a Ducky Pro than the Quickfire Stealth. Right now I'm leaning towards the Ducky. Also, I wish a CMStorm rep could answer this, what exactly is the difference between the Stealth and the Rapid? So ya, QFS or Ducky Pro?

Technically, Quick Fire Stealth is very different with Quick Fire Pro.
Quick Fire Stealth is made in Taiwan by Costa.

IMO, Quick Fire Stealth and Duck Pro have similar quality, construction and keyboard feeling.
There is one obvious different, it is about the stabilizer (QFS uses Costa and Ducky uses Cherry)
Other than that, I think both keyboards are rock and solid.

So which stabilizer do you think is of higher quality/better?

If you ask my personal preference, I would say that I prefer Costa stabilizer for the smoothness and enjoyment of typing experience.
Costa stabilizer has one weakness which is not so friendly when you replace the keycap due to :
+ Stabilizer Insert
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-keycap-stabilizer-insert.html
+ Stabilizer spring
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-stabilizer-spring-for-keycaps.html

On the other hand, Cherry stabilizer quality is acceptable and easy to replace keycap.
I'm pretty sure that many GHers would say they would prefer Cherry stabilizer over Costa stabilizer.
So it must be personal experience and feeling. It would not hurt anybody anyway.

BTW, you can also improve the smoothness of both stabilizer types by using this from Elite Keyboard :
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube
(IMO, this kind of lube is a must-have lube for keyboard enthusiasts)
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Mon, 02 September 2013, 04:38:16
If i ordered a QFRS would the costar stabilizers be compatible with o-rings?

Yes, indeed, you can view WASD guide about o-ring.
(WASD keyboards are using Costa stabilizer )

Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 16:59:30
Recently my Quickfire Pro broke (the lights just stopped working) after ~8 months of use. Currently I have the option to buy the Quickfire Stealth in Brown switches even though I've already had bad experience with them or the Ducky Pro in Blue switches  which I have heard much more about the build quality of a Ducky Pro than the Quickfire Stealth. Right now I'm leaning towards the Ducky. Also, I wish a CMStorm rep could answer this, what exactly is the difference between the Stealth and the Rapid? So ya, QFS or Ducky Pro?

Technically, Quick Fire Stealth is very different with Quick Fire Pro.
Quick Fire Stealth is made in Taiwan by Costa.

IMO, Quick Fire Stealth and Duck Pro have similar quality, construction and keyboard feeling.
There is one obvious different, it is about the stabilizer (QFS uses Costa and Ducky uses Cherry)
Other than that, I think both keyboards are rock and solid.

So which stabilizer do you think is of higher quality/better?

If you ask my personal preference, I would say that I prefer Costa stabilizer for the smoothness and enjoyment of typing experience.
Costa stabilizer has one weakness which is not so friendly when you replace the keycap due to :
+ Stabilizer Insert
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-keycap-stabilizer-insert.html
+ Stabilizer spring
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-stabilizer-spring-for-keycaps.html

On the other hand, Cherry stabilizer quality is acceptable and easy to replace keycap.
I'm pretty sure that many GHers would say they would prefer Cherry stabilizer over Costa stabilizer.
So it must be personal experience and feeling. It would not hurt anybody anyway.

BTW, you can also improve the smoothness of both stabilizer types by using this from Elite Keyboard :
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,misc&pid=mechlube
(IMO, this kind of lube is a must-have lube for keyboard enthusiasts)

If i ordered a QFRS would the costar stabilizers be compatible with o-rings?

Yes, indeed, you can view WASD guide about o-ring.
(WASD keyboards are using Costa stabilizer )


How would I put these o-rings (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051XWXCE/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) on costar stabilizers?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: chill1217 on Mon, 02 September 2013, 17:07:59
isn't your quickfire pro still under warranty?
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: rootwyrm on Mon, 02 September 2013, 17:08:47
The Ducky DK9008G2 Pro is of vastly higher quality across the board, both subjectively and objectively. Every component and the build quality is miles ahead of CM Storm and then some.

To apply the good old automobile analogy, Ducky DK9008G2 Pro is a Mercedes-Benz and the CM Storm is a rusty Yugo.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 17:20:11
isn't your quickfire pro still under warranty?

It is, but if i can get a refund for it, buy a cheaper/better board with the money and save some why not. And I honestly never used the numpad so it was a waste of space.

Yeah, I thought about polishing it out, but it looks really good as is.
I'm honestly surpriesed it came out as good looking as it did, since I knew I was not going to do anything crazy, I might as well
spend a weekend getting one painted so I can contribute to all the work that was done to get this going.

Wow you must not like CMStorm...
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 02 September 2013, 17:33:40
The Ducky DK9008G2 Pro is of vastly higher quality across the board, both subjectively and objectively. Every component and the build quality is miles ahead of CM Storm and then some.

To apply the good old automobile analogy, Ducky DK9008G2 Pro is a Mercedes-Benz and the CM Storm is a rusty Yugo.

This surprises me. My experience has been just the opposite. However, I have heard that the quality control and fit and finish of Ducky products has improved recently. The CM QFR and QFS are built by Costar, so the quality there ought to be good as well, which is certainly borne out by the solid build of my CM QFS with Cherry mx greens. Moreover, the CM QFS comes with a 2-year warranty. On the other hand, whereas the Filco MJ2 TKL is also built by Costar, the PCB in the Filco is reportedly of higher quality than the PCB used for some other boards built by Costar.

Sometimes, the choice comes down to personal preferences with respect to features that are offered on one product versus another.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 19:11:41
So about putting o-rings on costars...
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Mon, 02 September 2013, 19:48:57
So about putting o-rings on costars...

I'm sure this will be useful for o-ring installation :

and this for Stabilizer and Clip Installation

high quality o-ring from wasd :
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-rubber-switch-dampeners.html
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 02 September 2013, 21:23:58
So about putting o-rings on costars...

I'm sure this will be useful for o-ring installation :

and this for Stabilizer and Clip Installation

high quality o-ring from wasd :
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-rubber-switch-dampeners.html

Thanks alot, I'll see these when I can.
Title: Re: Quickfire Stealth or Ducky Pro?
Post by: Winther on Tue, 03 September 2013, 15:22:34
Personally I would go with Ducky Pro, looks better imo and I love the bleu switch!