Apples basic re-marketing philosophy:
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Plastic cases and fingerprint readers. Meh.
Anybody paying attention to Apple's unveiling today?
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Any thoughts?
I wonder how long it takes before someone fools the fingerprint reader.
It is capacitative, so you would need to cast the print in gelatine.
So Apple can do ipods with colorized alu but not phones.
A mold of a finger is pretty easy to make with smooth on products.I think that RTV has too much shrinkage. Urethane has a bit of shrinkage as well, and it cures in an exothermic reaction which would burn your skin.
A mold of a finger is pretty easy to make with smooth on products.
I have a Motorola Atrix 4g and Motorola was already licensing the fingerprint reader technology from the company that apple bought.... Wait a minute... Have you tried cracking the fingerprint reader on your Motorola phone? ;)
This is just a joke, a thicker plastic and a $100 price tag morwe?!
A mold of a finger is pretty easy to make with smooth on products.
THE IPHONE 5 IS STUPID
GET A WINDOWS PHONE
GET A WINDOWS PHONEI can't even imagine a world where this has happened
This has been addressed. The sensor only works with a living finger.1. That's not a very good article overall. Not specific enough.
Source: http://www.citeworld.com/security/22399/iphone-fingerprint-scanner-better-biometrics
This has been addressed. The sensor only works with a living finger.1. That's not a very good article overall. Not specific enough.
Source: http://www.citeworld.com/security/22399/iphone-fingerprint-scanner-better-biometrics
2. The sensor in iPhone 5 is capacitative. There are research papers that tell about capacitative sensors being fooled by gelatine casts because of the capacitative properties of (animal) gelatine being close to living tissue.
3. Mythbusters used gelatine casts to fool capacitative fingerprint sensors. The procedure: Fool Grant into leaving his thumb print on a CD. Dust. Lift with tape. Scan. Clean up in a computer. Print and etch a circuit board. Cast gelatine on top of circuit board. Still, this procedure has a few steps more than just using tape which was sufficient to fool optical sensors.
GET A WINDOWS PHONEI can't even imagine a world where this has happened
GET A WINDOWS PHONEI can't even imagine a world where this has happenedShow Image(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1R73gg7tcPw/TZLn9tKGELI/AAAAAAAAAAY/R5lmZFhZiDU/s320/1300267327.jpg)
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
I agree, I used to hate being on the "S" cycles for upgrades, but then I realized you get a more refined phone in most cases. I'm pretty sure the 6 will probably see some sort of screen increase, but I really like the changes they made to the camera and the touch ID seems very cool.I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
Anyone lining up in Lincoln Park, Chicago tomorrow?
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. :'(
That's actually completely inaccurate.
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. :'(
"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?
WINDOWS 7 IS BETTER THAN IOS 7. IOS IS STUPID AND IT SUCKS. GET WINDOWS 7!
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. :'(
I PREFER WINDOWS 3.1 THE BEST, BUT 98'S PRETTY GOOD TOO. I'LL SETTLE FOR WINDOWS 7 THOUGH WHEN COMPARED TO SOMETHING AS DISGUSTING AS IOS.
Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.
Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.
Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.
SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.
Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.
SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.
Ballmer!
Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen. Still no NFC. A finger print reader - whoopty doo.
SINCE WHEN WAS APPLE NOT A JOKE? I REMEMBER THE WAY THEY WERE BACK IN THE 1990'S. TALK ABOUT A SHOESTRING OUTFIT...AND THE SAD THING IS THAT THEIR COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS HAVE ONLY GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THEN.
Ballmer!
WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH APPLE?
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. :'(
"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?
Making money is the outcome, greed through Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience and incremental improvement is the philosophy.
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. :'(
"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?
Making money is the outcome, greed through Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience and incremental improvement is the philosophy.
lmao what?
There strategy is to make the best looking and designed hardware possible with there own software that locks and rewards you for pairing with other Apple devices. "Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience" proper mental one you are eh? and yeah incremental improvements is how Intel work, so should we all switch to AMD to avoid helping THE MAN?
You don't have to like Apple products, they are not for everyone, but really... you must be some proper tinfoil hat fool to lol
Apple is kind of a joke now. They didn't even give what people wanted, a bigger screen.If the screen got bigger, then customers would expect there to be more things on the screen ... but Apple had not designed iOS interfaces to be scalable. Android is better at that.
You mean like a phablet? Looks silly, holding a huge screen up to your ear to make a phone call.You should use handsfree either way. Cell phone radiation kills brain cells - that has been proven time and time again. (If it kills more of you brain cells than alcohol does is another matter...) Even a Bluetooth headset is 1000 times better.
WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO PUT THEIR APPLE IPHONE IN A $40 PROTECTIVE CASE IN ORDER FOR IT TO NOT END UP GETTING DESTROYED IN EVERYDAY USE?They think that "thin" sells... By the way, I kind of like the way that there are many options to choose from when it comes to protective casing. There are cases with covers, with built-in keyboards, with more battery...
THE FACT THAT THEY USE GENERIC COMPONENTS MANUFACTURED BY UNDERPAID AND POORLY TREATED WORKERS IN CHINESE SWEATSHOPS RULES OUT THE "WELL DESIGNED'' PART.Most major hardware brands use underpaid and poorly treated workers in Chinese sweatshop. Apple is far from Foxconn's only customer.
io7 feels silly, i'm looking at 2 ipads right now ios 5 and ios7, i'm like wtf, there's no point.
I will wait until the 6. These incremental updates = meh.
i dunno man, i think upgrading on the tock is a lot better in apple's case than on the tick. the first ones always have some problems that mostly get worked out for the update... but you don't get early adopter points for that.
You are the last person I would've expected to be in agreement with Apple's general business philosophy. My entire world view is shaken. :'(
"Apple's general business philosophy" by that you mean making money?
Making money is the outcome, greed through Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience and incremental improvement is the philosophy.
lmao what?
There strategy is to make the best looking and designed hardware possible with there own software that locks and rewards you for pairing with other Apple devices. "Stockholm Syndrome-esque obedience" proper mental one you are eh? and yeah incremental improvements is how Intel work, so should we all switch to AMD to avoid helping THE MAN?
You don't have to like Apple products, they are not for everyone, but really... you must be some proper tinfoil hat fool to lol
APPLE'S COMPUTERS AND PRODUCTS ARE NOT THE BEST LOOKING AND DESIGNED HARDWARE. FIRST OFF, THEY LOOK STUPID. SO THAT RULES OUT THE "BEST LOOKING" PART. AND SECONDLY, THEY ARE DIFFICULT TO SERVICE AND ARE PRONE TO BROKEN PARTS (IPHONE SCREENS ANYONE?). AND IF THEY WERE SO WELL DESIGNED, WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO PUT THEIR APPLE IPHONE IN A $40 PROTECTIVE CASE IN ORDER FOR IT TO NOT END UP GETTING DESTROYED IN EVERYDAY USE? I'D SAY THAT, AND THE FACT THAT THEY USE GENERIC COMPONENTS MANUFACTURED BY UNDERPAID AND POORLY TREATED WORKERS IN CHINESE SWEATSHOPS RULES OUT THE "WELL DESIGNED'' PART.
TODAY'S APPLE PRODUCTS SHOULD NOT BE FOR ANYBODY. THEY ARE AN ABOMINATION.
doesn't seem so with samsung/visa
http://investincotedazur.com/en/newsletter/nfc-major-samsung-visa-partnership-announced-at-the-mwc-2013&artid=act11035
i can't wait till this happens, my credit card already has pay pass (just tap the top of the swiper), it's time America caught up with the world!
Iphone is for *****es.
Iphone is for *****es.
REAL TALK
sent from an iphone using an app
Iphone is for *****es.
REAL TALK
sent from an iphone using an app
Realest **** I ever wrote. Android is for players and pimps!
Want some more $$$ for keyboards? Get cracking!But.. then I would have to buy an iPhone. Modern Apple products are banned from entering my home. (Vintage Apple keyboards are welcome, and I've even got a StyleWriter printer for building keyboard out of)
http://istouchidhackedyet.com/
Is that for real, or just an ironic mockup, given the overly sensitive moisture indicators in previous generations of iPhones?
Is that for real, or just an ironic mockup, given the overly sensitive moisture indicators in previous generations of iPhones?
The method follows the steps outlined in this how-to (http://dasalte.ccc.de/biometrie/fingerabdruck_kopieren?language=en) with materials that can be found in almost every household: First, the fingerprint of the enrolled user is photographed with 2400 DPI resolution. The resulting image is then cleaned up, inverted and laser printed with 1200 DPI onto transparent sheet with a thick toner setting. Finally, latex milk or white wood-glue is smeared into the pattern created by the toner onto the transparent sheet. After it cures, the thin latex sheet is lifted from the sheet, breathed on to make it a tiny bit moist and then placed onto the sensor to unlock the phone. This process has been used with minor refinements and variations against the vast majority of fingerprint sensors on the market.
... and the fingerprint reader is cracked:
From http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchidQuoteThe method follows the steps outlined in this how-to (http://dasalte.ccc.de/biometrie/fingerabdruck_kopieren?language=en) with materials that can be found in almost every household: First, the fingerprint of the enrolled user is photographed with 2400 DPI resolution. The resulting image is then cleaned up, inverted and laser printed with 1200 DPI onto transparent sheet with a thick toner setting. Finally, latex milk or white wood-glue is smeared into the pattern created by the toner onto the transparent sheet. After it cures, the thin latex sheet is lifted from the sheet, breathed on to make it a tiny bit moist and then placed onto the sensor to unlock the phone. This process has been used with minor refinements and variations against the vast majority of fingerprint sensors on the market.
A little bit easier than I had thought, actually. I did not think that toner on OH-film would have created a pattern that is deep enough.
So Apple can do ipods with colorized alu but not phones.
they made it gold, the only real colour.
... and the fingerprint reader is cracked:Thats still way to much work for someone to gain access to pictures of my keyboards and last night dinner. I'm not worried about this at all.
From http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchidQuoteThe method follows the steps outlined in this how-to (http://dasalte.ccc.de/biometrie/fingerabdruck_kopieren?language=en) with materials that can be found in almost every household: First, the fingerprint of the enrolled user is photographed with 2400 DPI resolution. The resulting image is then cleaned up, inverted and laser printed with 1200 DPI onto transparent sheet with a thick toner setting. Finally, latex milk or white wood-glue is smeared into the pattern created by the toner onto the transparent sheet. After it cures, the thin latex sheet is lifted from the sheet, breathed on to make it a tiny bit moist and then placed onto the sensor to unlock the phone. This process has been used with minor refinements and variations against the vast majority of fingerprint sensors on the market.
A little bit easier than I had thought, actually. I did not think that toner on OH-film would have created a pattern that is deep enough.
brb, buying gold 5s and wearing it as a gold chain
Thats still way to much work for someone to gain access to pictures of my keyboards and last night dinner. I'm not worried about this at all.How about your email account?
Probably not so much to get information off a device, as to either use it to make calls, or wipe it and on-sell it.I doubt you would get your phone back either way from someone with those intentions.
I just want to stop my brother and friends from putting up ridiculous backgrounds on my phone and changing the language to Japanese. As far as 4 digit codes or swipe patterns go I have personally got past those patterns just by watching my brother access his S3 from time to time. I think people are looking too deeply into this scanner as if there phone contains nude pictures of Mila Kunis or nuclear launch codes.
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I have been waiting forever for the 5S to be available in my town and I've been getting screwed over again and again. I really planned on getting this phone but it seems like by the time I can get it, it will already be 4 months old or so. So do I wait for 6 or just get it? My iPhone 4 is just incredibly slow and outdated. And no, I absolutely will not go droid or windows. Nothing against those who do use them I just don't want anything else.
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
I'm not talking about its performance, just that the OS has so many problems I never had on iOS 6, though when the App draw works, its pretty good.
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
I'm not talking about its performance, just that the OS has so many problems I never had on iOS 6, though when the App draw works, its pretty good.
I see. It's not that snappy on the 4S. I've seen my friend's 5 and it feels so much snappier.
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
I'm not talking about its performance, just that the OS has so many problems I never had on iOS 6, though when the App draw works, its pretty good.
I see. It's not that snappy on the 4S. I've seen my friend's 5 and it feels so much snappier.
Yeah I can imagine, but even so... using the phone is now so much slower becasue I have to wait so long for the silly new animations...
Yea I didn't upgrade from 4 to 5 because my contract is just now coming to an end and they are just too expensive to buy straight up. I'll see what happens. I also have a feeling the 6 is going to be significantly different to compete with all the options out there from other companies.
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
I'm not talking about its performance, just that the OS has so many problems I never had on iOS 6, though when the App draw works, its pretty good.
I see. It's not that snappy on the 4S. I've seen my friend's 5 and it feels so much snappier.
Yeah I can imagine, but even so... using the phone is now so much slower becasue I have to wait so long for the silly new animations...
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
I'm not talking about its performance, just that the OS has so many problems I never had on iOS 6, though when the App draw works, its pretty good.
I see. It's not that snappy on the 4S. I've seen my friend's 5 and it feels so much snappier.
Yeah I can imagine, but even so... using the phone is now so much slower becasue I have to wait so long for the silly new animations...
Thats the only reason I want the 5s is for the 64 bit processor to make the animations run better. You can disable most of them in settings though, I did.
If anyone here is looking at the new iPhones and hasn't already got an iPhone as an iPhone 5 user (and previous iphone 4 user) I'd suggest waiting for io7 to be fixed. It's so buggy and ****ty atm it's a real bummer. So many aspects of it are broken, sluggish and just bad.
I'd wait for another year and get the iPhone 6 that will probablly be a significant change from the 5's and with any luck have some upgrades and fixes for iOS 7
I'm running ios 7.0.3 fine on my 4S tho :/
I'm not talking about its performance, just that the OS has so many problems I never had on iOS 6, though when the App draw works, its pretty good.
I see. It's not that snappy on the 4S. I've seen my friend's 5 and it feels so much snappier.
Yeah I can imagine, but even so... using the phone is now so much slower becasue I have to wait so long for the silly new animations...
Thats the only reason I want the 5s is for the 64 bit processor to make the animations run better. You can disable most of them in settings though, I did.
run better? And how do you disable the animations?
Reduce motion, dsnt that just remove the bkground scrolling??
Also my iphone 5 has zero lag... It's just that every animation takes 4x as long as it did in the previous OS for no reason other than to look nice... And that's a push... It's actually insane if you lock your phone and then see how long it takes for you to open spotlight it takes so much longer on the new OS than precious versions simply because your waiting on animations.
Ubuntu Phone (http://www.ubuntu.com/phone) looks interesting too
Ubuntu Phone (http://www.ubuntu.com/phone) looks interesting too