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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: mauri on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:20:29

Title: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: mauri on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:20:29
It's been literally hours since I've seen him post, what happened?

discuss, speculate

For starters, I heard he only moves diagonally
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:24:46
Temporary ban probably.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: tipo33 on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:25:14
Some say he he actually bought the rights to produce ALPS, and that he has a fullsize tattoo of a Model M.  All we know is he's called The Sti....   
tp4tissiue.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: longweight on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:25:21
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: JPG on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:27:17
He must have just realized he has no ergodox. So it has created a loophole in his brain.

He's done for. Will never get out of that loop.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:27:47
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

You don't think TP adds a certain flair to geekhack that would be missing if he were gone forever?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: mauri on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:29:39
Gone but not forgotten.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:35:11
He sacrificed himself in our places to repent for our sins...
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:37:01
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

+1
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: lcs on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:37:08
He sacrificed himself in our places to repent for our sins...

You mean not using ergodoxes XD
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:39:16
he is at warning level 10%
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:43:19
He has been temp banned.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: eth0s on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:48:29
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

You don't think TP adds a certain flair to geekhack that would be missing if he were gone forever?

Do you think your beer would taste better with some p!ss in it, or none?  Same with tp4.  The p!ss adds some interesting flavor I guess, but the beer would be better without it.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:50:31
Our ergodox prophet will rise from the ashes and the non-staggered infidels shall feel his wrath (ergonomically, of course).
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: mauri on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:51:07
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

You don't think TP adds a certain flair to geekhack that would be missing if he were gone forever?

Do you think your beer would taste better with some p!ss in it, or none?  Same with tp4.  The p!ss adds some interesting flavor I guess, but the beer would be better without it.

If you don't know how piss tastes you can't appreciate better things in life - mauri 2013

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Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:52:16
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

You don't think TP adds a certain flair to geekhack that would be missing if he were gone forever?

Do you think your beer would taste better with some p!ss in it, or none?  Same with tp4.  The p!ss adds some interesting flavor I guess, but the beer would be better without it.

I though that's what beer tastes like. I wouldn't know never had any.  :thumb:

I guess I haven't been around here long enough to really understand.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Tym on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:59:13
Ray are you 12 or a religion?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 September 2013, 13:59:49
Ray are you 12 or a religion?

I'm 11 :(
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: demik on Wed, 11 September 2013, 14:29:25
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 11 September 2013, 14:31:35
who?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 11 September 2013, 14:33:36
he is at warning level 10%
par usual
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: mauri on Wed, 11 September 2013, 14:34:14
Man the barricades this is outrageous free tp4
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 11 September 2013, 14:39:58
Who's tp4tissue?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: audukent on Wed, 11 September 2013, 15:29:49
Who's tp4tissue?

I've seen him post all over the forum.  He seems to have an opinion about everything. Often times, I find his posts impetuous.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 11 September 2013, 15:43:58
Ambassador? Even this one has a better reputation...

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Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Michael on Wed, 11 September 2013, 15:44:28
Ambassador? Even this one has a better reputation...

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Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: JPG on Wed, 11 September 2013, 15:49:38
Ambassador? Even this one has a better reputation...

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The elder has talked. I approve. End of discussion.  :p
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: eth0s on Wed, 11 September 2013, 16:35:11
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

You don't think TP adds a certain flair to geekhack that would be missing if he were gone forever?

Do you think your beer would taste better with some p!ss in it, or none?  Same with tp4.  The p!ss adds some interesting flavor I guess, but the beer would be better without it.

If you don't know how piss tastes you can't appreciate better things in life - mauri 2013

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kk.  ^ this is ridiculous.  This is for the person that walks around with a rock in his shoe all day, just so he can enjoy the pain.  In other words:  a masochist.  Only a masochist enjoys repeated abuse.  Griefing, trolling, flaming, w/e you call it, it's abuse.  tp4 is abusive.  His posts are not attempts to communicate, but are cries for help, since he does nothing but try to frustrate, infuriate, and provoke.  He is not creative, cynical or clever.  He is actually quite a sad case.

Furthermore, tp4 adds nothing to any thread with any of his posts.  And the threads he starts have nothing to do with keyboards.  His only attempt to communicate something close to an idea regarding keyboards is "get an ergodox".  Which while appearing to be a comment, is actually a form of griefing in itself because:  (1) getting an ergodox is not easy because it is a totally custom keyboard, (2) getting an ergodox is totally inappropriate advice to give to a nub, and (3) getting an ergodox is extremely expensive.  Plus, it's hypocritical advice, since tp4 doesn't actually have an ergodox himself. 

Anyway, for those who don't like beer, another analogy would be a child kicking the back of your seat in the movie theater.  Would your movie be more enjoyable with or without the child kicking your seat?  You decide.  Because once tp4 comes back, he will continuously kick the back of your chair, until you ban him from the theater.

Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 11 September 2013, 16:42:13
get an ergodox = install gentoo

Genius.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: MTManiac on Wed, 11 September 2013, 17:50:22
he's afk building an ergo dox duh...
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 11 September 2013, 17:54:11
His posts are not attempts to communicate, but are cries for help, since he does nothing but try to frustrate, infuriate, and provoke.  He is not creative, cynical or clever.  He is actually quite a sad case.

In a nutshell. tp4's modus operandi is to look for opportunities to be needlessly contradictory, or for deliberate misinterpretation, or to say something he knows other people might find irritating (e.g. constant inappropriate mentioning of the ergodox).

My view is that he does this because he lacks the social awareness and toolset that most normal people have to engage in any other way. As a result if it weren't for being deliberately irritating then tp4 would be some anonymous background member of the forum that no-one ever really noticed - which is probably what his role is in the non-Internet real world, thus his quite pathetic need for attention here.

As tp4 reads this post, he's probably satisfied that someone is talking about him, regardless of the fact my attitude towards him is a combination of pity and disgust, as long as it's some form of recognition or attention.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:48:13
Yea this whole thread is fap material for TP4. He's probably already changed his underpants multiple times today reading it.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: dragonxx21 on Wed, 11 September 2013, 18:52:39
Damn, I kind of actually enjoyed his posts.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 11 September 2013, 19:04:18
Damn, I kind of actually enjoyed his posts.

Sounds like he's never coming back.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Wed, 11 September 2013, 19:05:12
Herpes never really goes away.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: demik on Thu, 12 September 2013, 00:09:50
Herpes never really goes away.

that's not a nice thing to say.

i thought you canadians were nice and ****.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Thu, 12 September 2013, 01:02:31
We Canadians like to apologize for things too... So I needed to create that opportunity for myself! Sorry aboot that.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: cactux on Thu, 12 September 2013, 02:10:10
Do not worry, still a good joke lol
We Canadians like to apologize for things too... So I needed to create that opportunity for myself! Sorry aboot that.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 September 2013, 02:18:03
He's been banned before, he'll be back (hopefully)

you haters, YOU did this. I want my devil's advocate back!
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: davkol on Thu, 12 September 2013, 04:29:51
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

That mindset kinda explains why England appears to be a police state.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 12 September 2013, 05:33:20
Mauri is TP4s "other" account...
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: mauri on Thu, 12 September 2013, 05:53:38
Mauri is TP4s "other" account...

(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: phetto on Thu, 12 September 2013, 05:55:54
I'm looking forward to him being permanently banned, the forum will be nice to use again!

How can you be so bothered? ;)
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 12 September 2013, 06:04:41
Mauri is TP4s "other" account...

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Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 12 September 2013, 10:33:06
YOU NEVER KNOW...IF YOU DELVE DEEP ENOUGH INTO GEEKHACK HISTORY, YOU WILL SEE THAT HE WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TO CREATE A "SATELLITE" ACCOUNT...
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 12 September 2013, 11:47:48
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 September 2013, 11:54:14
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 12 September 2013, 12:14:08
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?
Oh **** a hostage trade.  That sounds pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 12 September 2013, 12:14:50
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?

That depends on how long XD
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: keymaster on Thu, 12 September 2013, 13:55:28
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?

The ErgoGods demand a sacrifice.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 12 September 2013, 17:10:51
HE SHOULD JUST USE WINDOWS 98. THEN HE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN BANNED.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: demik on Thu, 12 September 2013, 17:18:50
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?

yes lets change it. ban the brony. at least tp is funny.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 12 September 2013, 17:20:42
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?

yes lets change it. ban the brony. at least tp is funny.

woah

We get it already....
you hate me...
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 12 September 2013, 17:21:08
YOU SHOULD JUST USE WINDOWS 98. THEN NOBODY WILL HATE YOU EXCEPT FOR ENVIOUS MAC USERS.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: turtle on Thu, 12 September 2013, 17:39:19
Next up Microsoft windows gets banned. Nothing but trolls gh. Find better use of your time kid.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 12 September 2013, 17:39:52
Next up Microsoft windows gets banned. Nothing but trolls gh. Find better use of your time kid.

Respect yer elders!
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: turtle on Thu, 12 September 2013, 18:07:14
Sorry, didn't know you were his number one fan.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 12 September 2013, 19:59:12
FREE TP FROM BANNED CAMP. HE DID NOTHING WRONG THE ADMINS ARE HATERS.

THIS

Are you offering to swap places with him?

Or to join him?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 12 September 2013, 20:05:55
Yea this whole thread is fap material for TP4. He's probably already changed his underpants multiple times today reading it.

He did.  As he does most everyday.  But due to sharts, not faps.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Thu, 12 September 2013, 20:31:19
Yea this whole thread is fap material for TP4. He's probably already changed his underpants multiple times today reading it.

He did.  As he does most everyday.  But due to sharts, not faps.
Can't it be both?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 12 September 2013, 20:35:48
Yea this whole thread is fap material for TP4. He's probably already changed his underpants multiple times today reading it.

He did.  As he does most everyday.  But due to sharts, not faps.
Can't it be both?

lol.  I guess.  Both at the same time?  Wow.  tp4 has at least one hidden talent then:  the 'ol fap 'n shart.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: mauri on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:35:36
Yea this whole thread is fap material for TP4. He's probably already changed his underpants multiple times today reading it.

He did.  As he does most everyday.  But due to sharts, not faps.
Can't it be both?

lol.  I guess.  Both at the same time?  Wow.  tp4 has at least one hidden talent then:  the 'ol fap 'n shart.

Do I hear envy in your voice?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: daerid on Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:16:08
Furthermore, tp4 adds nothing to any thread with any of his posts.  And the threads he starts have nothing to do with keyboards.  His only attempt to communicate something close to an idea regarding keyboards is "get an ergodox".  Which while appearing to be a comment, is actually a form of griefing in itself because:  (1) getting an ergodox is not easy because it is a totally custom keyboard, (2) getting an ergodox is totally inappropriate advice to give to a nub, and (3) getting an ergodox is extremely expensive.  Plus, it's hypocritical advice, since tp4 doesn't actually have an ergodox himself.

1) Totally custom keyboard == not easy? I fail to see how you reached that conclusion rationally
2) How is it inappropriate advice for a "nub"? The appropriate advice for a nub would depend on what that person wants, and if they want a custom ergonomic keyboard and have soldering experience, then the ErgoDox is a perfectly acceptable suggestion
3) Not "extremely". It's more expensive than a Filco, but less than a HHKB or Topre (at least for US customers, which is quite a bit)

And I'm curious why you think he doesn't own one?
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: eth0s on Fri, 13 September 2013, 11:22:06
Furthermore, tp4 adds nothing to any thread with any of his posts.  And the threads he starts have nothing to do with keyboards.  His only attempt to communicate something close to an idea regarding keyboards is "get an ergodox".  Which while appearing to be a comment, is actually a form of griefing in itself because:  (1) getting an ergodox is not easy because it is a totally custom keyboard, (2) getting an ergodox is totally inappropriate advice to give to a nub, and (3) getting an ergodox is extremely expensive.  Plus, it's hypocritical advice, since tp4 doesn't actually have an ergodox himself.

1) Totally custom keyboard == not easy? I fail to see how you reached that conclusion rationally
2) How is it inappropriate advice for a "nub"? The appropriate advice for a nub would depend on what that person wants, and if they want a custom ergonomic keyboard and have soldering experience, then the ErgoDox is a perfectly acceptable suggestion
3) Not "extremely". It's more expensive than a Filco, but less than a HHKB or Topre (at least for US customers, which is quite a bit)

And I'm curious why you think he doesn't own one?


Hmm, I guess my post makes it sounds like I'm anti-ergodox, which I'm not.  Let me be clear:  I am anti-tp4tissue.  I am actually pro-ergodox, even though I don't have one.  I like everything about it. 

However, let me address your points:

(1) Building a custom keyboard is not easy to accomplish.  This seems a pretty rational statement.  First, I've done it, and I have soldering experience, keyboard experience, computer building experience, an undergraduate degree and a graduate degree, and I thought it was hard, not in terms of brain power so much, but in terms of time spent hunched over breathing in vaporized solder.  Second, simply getting the ergodox kit is not easy.  And when I say easy, I mean in comparison to ordering an HHKB Pro 2 from elitekeyboards.com (at least for US customers, which is quite a bit).  I can buy an HHKB Pro 2 Type-S with three mouse clicks.  That is easy.         

(2) ergodox is a good recommendation as a first keyboard to a total nub?  Really?  I don't really know how to respond to this.

(3)  As for price, expensive is a relative term.  And I would estimate the price of a fully modded ergodox at near $600 (with stickers, lube, custom keycaps, and modded springs), which to me is extremely expensive, IMO. 

With all that said, I do not mean to discourage anyone from getting an ergodox.  Nub, pro, intermediate, all should get one.  But they should be made aware of what's involved in getting and building one.  As for price, while it's high, $600 is not too much to pay for a keyboard.  Especially one as good as the ergodox.  Also, I do not mean to malign the ergodox in any way.  It is an excellent keyboard, and is the only one of it's kind available anywhere. 

What I don't like is tp4's incessant, inane, and many times inappropriate comments about it.  The ergodox is not appropriate for every person, in every situation.  A responsible geekhacker know this, and will recommend it when it's appropriate and not recommend it when it's not appropriate.  A blanket spamming of "get an ergodox" helps no one, and adds no value.  It actually detracts from the utility of this whole website.

As for why tp4 has no ergodox, you should ask him.  He is a troll, and his mindless "get an ergodox" blather is more about trolling this site, than it is about giving actual advice, or promoting the ergodox.  If you love the ergodox, you should realize tp4 is not your friend.  He is nobody's friend.

Yea this whole thread is fap material for TP4. He's probably already changed his underpants multiple times today reading it.

He did.  As he does most everyday.  But due to sharts, not faps.
Can't it be both?

lol.  I guess.  Both at the same time?  Wow.  tp4 has at least one hidden talent then:  the 'ol fap 'n shart.

Do I hear envy in your voice?

lol.  I dunno if bowel incontinence is something I aspire to.  But I guess maybe tp4 may be the master of a kind of auto-blumpkin.  And that's admirable in a way.  If you're scatophilic, I guess.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: daerid on Fri, 13 September 2013, 12:00:36
Great response. Just want to address two points:

(2) ergodox is a good recommendation as a first keyboard to a total nub?  Really?  I don't really know how to respond to this.

(3)  As for price, expensive is a relative term.  And I would estimate the price of a fully modded ergodox at near $600 (with stickers, lube, custom keycaps, and modded springs), which to me is extremely expensive, IMO.

For #2, I was mainly addressing your use of the phrase "totally inappropriate". While I agree for the vast majority of people who are used to a staggered qwerty layout it wouldn't be very helpful, I wouldn't say it was "totally inappropriate".

For #3, I would never suggest getting custom caps, lube, and stickers to a "nub". But for the sake of argument let's say that you did want to get all that for your ErgoDox. A custom bag of springs from originativeco is like $10. A sheet of stickers around $8. For the base ErgoDox from MassDrop without keycaps it's $200. A tube of lube probably costs no more than $10, and let's be conservative and say custom keycaps run you $120 (couple sets of PBT to get all the keys necessary, plus maybe a few one-offs from SP for the extra 1.5x/2x keys).

That all adds up to: $10 + $8 + $200 + $10 + $120 (+ let's say $30 for shipping stuff except the kit itself, which ships free from MD): $378. That's $222 less than your estimate. Hell, even if you round up to $400 that's $200 less than your original number. I really don't understand where you got $600 from.

The ErgoDox is slightly expensive for a Cherry board, true. But it's not that much more expensive, and what you get for that extra is totally worth it (subjectively of course): the split columnar layout and complete programmability.

Once you start going all out and customizing any keyboard, the costs ramp up significantly.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: davkol on Fri, 13 September 2013, 12:14:24
First of all, tp4tissue actually contributed to quite few threads. Some tips about keycaps, o-rings and something like tenting the ergodox IIRC. I'm not going to spend an hour reading old threads though.

Second, ErgoDox isn't too hard to get. Athough maybe it's a big investment, the price is nowhere near $600 you mentioned (I paid about $330 for whole kit including shipping and VAT, I'm located in Central Europe) and this isn't an "I want a sub-$50 backlit mechanical keyboard" subreddit, but wallethack. Almost all ergonomic (or custom) keyboards are either in the same price range, or actually higher. Placing an order via Massdrop isn't much more complicated than buying in a traditional store/e-shop for someone outside the US/UK/Canada/Australia or Eastern Asia, it only takes a little longer (compare it to TECK though...). People that had no previous experience with soldering managed to build it, and paying someone to do it doesn't usually add more than say $80 to the final price.

I won't get into that "ergodox isn't for everyone" thing, because it doesn't make any sense. It would be a long discussion about industry standards, human nature, obscurantism and stuff like that.
Title: Re: tp4tissue Prophet. Messenger. Renaissance man. The Ultimate Ambassador
Post by: domoaligato on Fri, 13 September 2013, 12:39:13

What I don't like is tp4's incessant, inane, and many times inappropriate comments about it.  The ergodox is not appropriate for every person, in every situation.  A responsible geekhacker know this, and will recommend it when it's appropriate and not recommend it when it's not appropriate.  A blanket spamming of "get an ergodox" helps no one, and adds no value.  It actually detracts from the utility of this whole website.

This exactly. It is how it is presented as a suggestion. "Have you seen the ergodox? It is a great design!" Would be a better way of communicating that it is another alternative. This site is about offering alternatives to the norm.
Otherwise this site would turn into a storefront for whatever the best is based on someone's opinion.