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Title: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: terran5992 on Sat, 14 September 2013, 04:42:32
I don't see what the big fuss is all about regarding windows 8, sure it's a bit harder to navigate , but everything else looks real polished , and i don't crash on windows 8.

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Sat, 14 September 2013, 05:04:03
I don't see what the big fuss is all about regarding windows 8, sure it's a bit harder to navigate , but everything else looks real polished , and i don't crash on windows 8.



Windows 7 is almost exactly the same as 8, just as you said 8 is harder to navigate, therefore what is the point? People say "I don't crash, it doesn't crash, nothing crashes etc. etc." it all depends on your rig, and how its feeling that day. As for polish, meh, no problems here with the polish on windows 7.

Do fix what isn't broken, but if you want to innovate, make sure its an improvement, not a step back.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Jack on Sat, 14 September 2013, 05:08:55
I visited the Windows 8 machines at the electronics store a while back. It turns out that for all the progress and innovation you can still forkbomb Windows with a five-character batch script. Neep neep.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 05:48:12
Windows 8 is everything wrong with Microsoft at the moment, ran by a visionless CEO who has no clue about how to take MS into the future other than failing to copy other company's, it's pathetic and has been an abject failure, Windows Phone 8, Surface and Windows 8.

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7. Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

It's a dumb OS that is harder to use than previous OS's and highlights just how clueless they are going forward.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 05:49:42
How is it hard to navigate? The Metro is just the start menu expanded.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: terran5992 on Sat, 14 September 2013, 05:56:28
How is it hard to navigate? The Metro is just the start menu expanded.

But you would actually have to open an application to enter the desktop
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 05:58:39
Why is there even a start menu at this point?

All you need is a search field, and links to my computer and control panel... Why do I need to give up my entire desktop to a horrible looking screen of oversized icons (of which the desktop is bizzarly one) and then scroll past the metro apps to get to the actual apps in the new search field.

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:04:49
Why is there even a start menu at this point?

All you need is a search field, and links to my computer and control panel... Why do I need to give up my entire desktop to a horrible looking screen of oversized icons (of which the desktop is bizzarly one) and then scroll past the metro apps to get to the actual apps in the new search field.

+1

Also I like my start button.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:16:56
How is it hard to navigate? The Metro is just the start menu expanded.

But you would actually have to open an application to enter the desktop


Not when 8.1 is released.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:34:33
For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:43:21
For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .






LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:47:24
Change for the sake of change.

Forcing millions of users who have become accustomed over decades to using a computer in a particular way, to suddenly use it in a different way.

Not good.

I also complained heavily over differences between Windows XP and Windows 7, like why such a radical redesign of the Control Panel?  Everyone knew where everything was, now in 7 you get a summary of a few of the dumbed down options and have to search for everything else.  Silly.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:49:58
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:53:43
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

No, but I'm sorry a laptop or computer with a touch screen is a bad thing, not a good thing. You want a mobile OS that can be used on touch screen devices, yeah its called Windows Phone and they already made it, so why is the desktop OS suffering? It makes zero sense, and hell if your going to copy anything from Apple, it would surly be the place where they make BILLIONS....

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .

Yeah I'm a win7 user, just making the point that Vista the most hated OS of all time, isn't actually that bad and once patched is totally fine and actually better to use than Win8
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:53:58
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

And how many consumer touchscreen PCs are there out there at the moment?  Compared to conventional desktops?

How many people running older operating systems looking to upgrade to WIndows 8 would have a touch screen?

Yes I have heard that a touch screen is the way to go with Windows 8, but really, aiming for an almost non-existent target market is just silly.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:58:00
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

No, but I'm sorry a laptop or computer with a touch screen is a bad thing, not a good thing. You want a mobile OS that can be used on touch screen devices, yeah its called Windows Phone and they already made it, so why is the desktop OS suffering? It makes zero sense, and hell if your going to copy anything from Apple, it would surly be the place where they make BILLIONS....

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .

Yeah I'm a win7 user, just making the point that Vista the most hated OS of all time, isn't actually that bad and once patched is totally fine and actually better to use than Win8


You're 100% right, MS are just stupid for creating an OS that truly does work on a desktop and a tablet device.


They should also definitely copy Apple, I mean their OS is really developing for laptops and touchscreens wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 06:58:49
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

And how many consumer touchscreen PCs are there out there at the moment?  Compared to conventional desktops?

How many people running older operating systems looking to upgrade to WIndows 8 would have a touch screen?

Yes I have heard that a touch screen is the way to go with Windows 8, but really, aiming for an almost non-existent target market is just silly.


MS cannot do both, they either stay supporting legacy systems with stale software or they explore new options for modern devices.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:04:28
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

No, but I'm sorry a laptop or computer with a touch screen is a bad thing, not a good thing. You want a mobile OS that can be used on touch screen devices, yeah its called Windows Phone and they already made it, so why is the desktop OS suffering? It makes zero sense, and hell if your going to copy anything from Apple, it would surly be the place where they make BILLIONS....

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .

Yeah I'm a win7 user, just making the point that Vista the most hated OS of all time, isn't actually that bad and once patched is totally fine and actually better to use than Win8


You're 100% right, MS are just stupid for creating an OS that truly does work on a desktop and a tablet device.


They should also definitely copy Apple, I mean their OS is really developing for laptops and touchscreens wouldn't you agree?

Works? Yeah Windows 8 tables are great! dat surface sold what like, 3 units to some guy called Steve? So yeah I'd call them pretty stupid, becasue it's bad for both uses, its worse than Win7 on the desktop and not as good as Windows Mobile on a touch screen.

And yeah, they should copy Apple where Apple has made Microsoft look like chumps, remember how horrible and garbage Windows Mobile was prior to Windows Phone 8? I sure do, it took the iPhone and then several years for MS to even have something that's comparable and then because its such a tiny little market, it has no apps and so only a few people in Italy bought any...

In the mean time, Apple has been able to make literally billions of $ selling basically the same device they launched in 2007 with simply varying sizes of screens, so yeah... if I was any kind of tech company I'd want some of that money
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: vun on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:05:08
I think the win8 hate train left a while back. I mean there are still valid arguments to be made both against and in support of it, but they've all been made and there doesn't seem to be much of a fuss anymore.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:07:28
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

No, but I'm sorry a laptop or computer with a touch screen is a bad thing, not a good thing. You want a mobile OS that can be used on touch screen devices, yeah its called Windows Phone and they already made it, so why is the desktop OS suffering? It makes zero sense, and hell if your going to copy anything from Apple, it would surly be the place where they make BILLIONS....

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .

Yeah I'm a win7 user, just making the point that Vista the most hated OS of all time, isn't actually that bad and once patched is totally fine and actually better to use than Win8


You're 100% right, MS are just stupid for creating an OS that truly does work on a desktop and a tablet device.


They should also definitely copy Apple, I mean their OS is really developing for laptops and touchscreens wouldn't you agree?

Works? Yeah Windows 8 tables are great! dat surface sold what like, 3 units to some guy called Steve? So yeah I'd call them pretty stupid, becasue it's bad for both uses, its worse than Win7 on the desktop and not as good as Windows Mobile on a touch screen.

And yeah, they should copy Apple where Apple has made Microsoft look like chumps, remember how horrible and garbage Windows Mobile was prior to Windows Phone 8? I sure do, it took the iPhone and then several years for MS to even have something that's comparable and then because its such a tiny little market, it has no apps and so only a few people in Italy bought any...

In the mean time, Apple has been able to make literally billions of $ selling basically the same device they launched in 2007 with simply varying sizes of screens, so yeah... if I was any kind of tech company I'd want some of that money


Is it bad? How has your experience with a touchscreen Windows 8 machine been? I take it that you have one as you seem to be pretty well informed about it.


I'm not going to continue as it feels like I am just talking to a keyboard warrior / troll.

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Moosecraft on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:07:50
Not really a fan, preferred Windows 7
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:07:59
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

And how many consumer touchscreen PCs are there out there at the moment?  Compared to conventional desktops?

How many people running older operating systems looking to upgrade to WIndows 8 would have a touch screen?

Yes I have heard that a touch screen is the way to go with Windows 8, but really, aiming for an almost non-existent target market is just silly.


MS cannot do both, they either stay supporting legacy systems with stale software or they explore new options for modern devices.

Not denying that, just suggesting that there are fewer such "modern devices" around as Microsoft would like to think.  This is a strategy that could go either way.  Unfortunately at the moment it seems to be going the wrong way.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: longweight on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:10:22
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

And how many consumer touchscreen PCs are there out there at the moment?  Compared to conventional desktops?

How many people running older operating systems looking to upgrade to WIndows 8 would have a touch screen?

Yes I have heard that a touch screen is the way to go with Windows 8, but really, aiming for an almost non-existent target market is just silly.


MS cannot do both, they either stay supporting legacy systems with stale software or they explore new options for modern devices.

Not denying that, just suggesting that there are fewer such "modern devices" around as Microsoft would like to think.  This is a strategy that could go either way.  Unfortunately at the moment it seems to be going the wrong way.


It definitely could go either way but MS does seem to be listening to what consumers want. My Windows 8 laptop / tablet thing is amazing, I wouldn't go back now.


Hopefully it will play out well in the next year or so.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:12:12
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

No, but I'm sorry a laptop or computer with a touch screen is a bad thing, not a good thing. You want a mobile OS that can be used on touch screen devices, yeah its called Windows Phone and they already made it, so why is the desktop OS suffering? It makes zero sense, and hell if your going to copy anything from Apple, it would surly be the place where they make BILLIONS....

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .

Yeah I'm a win7 user, just making the point that Vista the most hated OS of all time, isn't actually that bad and once patched is totally fine and actually better to use than Win8


You're 100% right, MS are just stupid for creating an OS that truly does work on a desktop and a tablet device.


They should also definitely copy Apple, I mean their OS is really developing for laptops and touchscreens wouldn't you agree?

Works? Yeah Windows 8 tables are great! dat surface sold what like, 3 units to some guy called Steve? So yeah I'd call them pretty stupid, becasue it's bad for both uses, its worse than Win7 on the desktop and not as good as Windows Mobile on a touch screen.

And yeah, they should copy Apple where Apple has made Microsoft look like chumps, remember how horrible and garbage Windows Mobile was prior to Windows Phone 8? I sure do, it took the iPhone and then several years for MS to even have something that's comparable and then because its such a tiny little market, it has no apps and so only a few people in Italy bought any...

In the mean time, Apple has been able to make literally billions of $ selling basically the same device they launched in 2007 with simply varying sizes of screens, so yeah... if I was any kind of tech company I'd want some of that money


Is it bad? How has your experience with a touchscreen Windows 8 machine been? I take it that you have one as you seem to be pretty well informed about it.


I'm not going to continue as it feels like I am just talking to a keyboard warrior / troll.

My experiences have been limited becasue very few people own such devices, but I've used touch screen laptops since XP and they have almost all been terrible, not becasue of the OS becasue the whole idea is dumb, why if you have a laptop is it easier to poke around on the screen? Keyboard shortcuts are faster and more accurate, then there is the whole hidden nonsense of the Win8 OS, like the charms, getting those to appear using the touch screen sucks, its easier to use a mouse/touch pad at which point, why bother with the touch screen?

Though I've yet to use a desktop touch screen machine...
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:13:59
My Windows 8 laptop / tablet thing is amazing, I wouldn't go back now.

Whats so great about it, say over a win7 machine w/o the touch screen?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:32:12
Lots of people still prefer to drive "hot rods" made in the '60's and '70's, maybe with some modern mods.

I keep hearing LOTS of people having problems running games on Windows 8. But i'm still on Vista x64, so idk. Mine works well enough. Sure it's got some weirdness here and there, but doesn't everything? I don't think i've ever used anything with which i couldn't find something wrong, or something sub-optimal. Everything is a compromise.

I use Windows because of DirectX, Gaming, Market share, etc., which makes the Linux Gaming options rather sparse, or simply not an option at all for certain games i want to play.

Windows, to me, is literally only useful because they've nearly monopolized PC Gaming. And now, lots of people are having problems with Windows 8, and gaming.

So... /windows_hate

The instant i am able to do everything i want to do, without touching Windows, M$ can S my D.

But until then, and because i can't change it, and won't completely alter my life just because microsoft, i'm content enough, as long as it works.

Windows 8 + Gaming = Uh Oh! That, and the arbitrary interface changes, are probably where most of the hate begins.

But as we all know, once you have one reason to hate something, you'll tend to find more.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 14 September 2013, 07:55:26
Have any of you used Windows 8 on a device with a touchscreen? Maybe then you will understand why they have made the changes that they have. Changing the systems for desktops as well keeps continuity.

No, but I'm sorry a laptop or computer with a touch screen is a bad thing, not a good thing. You want a mobile OS that can be used on touch screen devices, yeah its called Windows Phone and they already made it, so why is the desktop OS suffering? It makes zero sense, and hell if your going to copy anything from Apple, it would surly be the place where they make BILLIONS....

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7.

Still love using Windows 7.  And it still performs nicely on my desktop under any condition.

Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

Windows 8 will always be remembered as the utter failure for mating a mobile phone interface to a desktop pc, enough said  ::) .

Yeah I'm a win7 user, just making the point that Vista the most hated OS of all time, isn't actually that bad and once patched is totally fine and actually better to use than Win8


You're 100% right, MS are just stupid for creating an OS that truly does work on a desktop and a tablet device.


They should also definitely copy Apple, I mean their OS is really developing for laptops and touchscreens wouldn't you agree?

Works? Yeah Windows 8 tables are great! dat surface sold what like, 3 units to some guy called Steve? So yeah I'd call them pretty stupid, becasue it's bad for both uses, its worse than Win7 on the desktop and not as good as Windows Mobile on a touch screen.

And yeah, they should copy Apple where Apple has made Microsoft look like chumps, remember how horrible and garbage Windows Mobile was prior to Windows Phone 8? I sure do, it took the iPhone and then several years for MS to even have something that's comparable and then because its such a tiny little market, it has no apps and so only a few people in Italy bought any...

In the mean time, Apple has been able to make literally billions of $ selling basically the same device they launched in 2007 with simply varying sizes of screens, so yeah... if I was any kind of tech company I'd want some of that money


Is it bad? How has your experience with a touchscreen Windows 8 machine been? I take it that you have one as you seem to be pretty well informed about it.


I'm not going to continue as it feels like I am just talking to a keyboard warrior / troll.

My experiences have been limited becasue very few people own such devices, but I've used touch screen laptops since XP and they have almost all been terrible, not becasue of the OS becasue the whole idea is dumb, why if you have a laptop is it easier to poke around on the screen? Keyboard shortcuts are faster and more accurate, then there is the whole hidden nonsense of the Win8 OS, like the charms, getting those to appear using the touch screen sucks, its easier to use a mouse/touch pad at which point, why bother with the touch screen?

Though I've yet to use a desktop touch screen machine...

I DON'T USE WINDOWS 8. I USE WINDOWS 98. WHICH IS MUCH EASIER TO NAVIGATE! IT ALSO RUNS INTERNET EXPLORER 6. TRY AND BEAT THAT!
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: codymaust on Sat, 14 September 2013, 08:14:12
Personally, I love Windows 8. Also, I enjoy the metro/fullscreen apps when reading and writing.

I am mostly a Linux guy, but I use MS because of school and my job as a c# developer.

Key to success in Windows 8 is keyboard shortcuts
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Burz on Sat, 14 September 2013, 10:11:27
People need a quick menu or list where they can see all of their apps. If you use certain apps infrequently, its maddening to be expected to remember their NAMES at the moment when you actually do need them.

Ubuntu seems to have copied Windows 8 in this respect, which is why so many Linux users are leaving it. They are supposedly copying Apple in their UI, but last time I checked it was still easy to look at the Applications folder on the latest OS X. So Ubuntu has a humoungously obnoxious Steve Ballmer-inspired feature in their UI now-- In order to see a list of "all installed applications" I have to wade through a small area of not-small thumbnails where most of the icons are bits and pieces of the system settings panel, diagnostic tools, etc. arranged alphabetically with no folder structure. A suite of programs will be scattered throughout that list unless all of the suite's pieces have names that start with the same letters. It sucks.

As for touchscreens, Apple has watched the PC market make pushes for touchscreens since the early 90s. Its never worked before, so they came out with their touchpad for the desktop.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Sat, 14 September 2013, 11:37:01
Lots of people still prefer to drive "hot rods" made in the '60's and '70's, maybe with some modern mods.

I keep hearing LOTS of people having problems running games on Windows 8. But i'm still on Vista x64, so idk. Mine works well enough. Sure it's got some weirdness here and there, but doesn't everything? I don't think i've ever used anything with which i couldn't find something wrong, or something sub-optimal. Everything is a compromise.

I use Windows because of DirectX, Gaming, Market share, etc., which makes the Linux Gaming options rather sparse, or simply not an option at all for certain games i want to play.

Windows, to me, is literally only useful because they've nearly monopolized PC Gaming. And now, lots of people are having problems with Windows 8, and gaming.

So... /windows_hate

The instant i am able to do everything i want to do, without touching Windows, M$ can S my D.

But until then, and because i can't change it, and won't completely alter my life just because microsoft, i'm content enough, as long as it works.

Windows 8 + Gaming = Uh Oh! That, and the arbitrary interface changes, are probably where most of the hate begins.

But as we all know, once you have one reason to hate something, you'll tend to find more.

That's funny, I'm a PC gamer with a huge Steam list, and the only game I've had a problem running was GTA IV, and that was due to GFWL.

Windows 8 has been a great improvement for me personally.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: abdulmuhsee on Sat, 14 September 2013, 11:52:53
They'll have to drag me away from XP by my shins as I scrabble at the pavement with my bloody fingers.

XP was an improvement over previous versions, but everything beyond that, to me, has been completely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 14 September 2013, 12:19:45
They'll have to drag me away from XP by my shins as I scrabble at the pavement with my bloody fingers.

XP was an improvement over previous versions, but everything beyond that, to me, has been completely unnecessary.

I don't know how to use windows without the search field in the start menu.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 14 September 2013, 13:06:11
I didn't like 8, but I really like 8.1. I was extremely skeptical but I gave it a real chance and discovered I really do like it a lot after using it for a time. They fixed most of the things that annoyed the hell out of me, or at least there are options to adjust certain things. Using older Windows now annoys me quite a bit. I find some of those older interfaces so clunky and inelegant now. I've pretty much always hated every MS gui, but I think 8 is the closest to my liking ever so far. There are very few reshacks I have felt like I needed to do. Once uxtheme patcher is working on 8.1 I will take care of the last small things and be very happy.
Amusingly one of my favorite things is that there is a Microsoft HD audio driver not made by Creative for my TitaniumHD soundcard, so everything has been so lovely and stable :)) I've also had zero driver resets on the nvidia front either, which has made gaming a much more pleasant experience.
There are a lot of good improvements on behind the scenes features that I especially like. Faster start up, SSD optimizer, updated task manager/performance, updated file transfer dialogs, improved homegroup functionality, skydrive integration (for pseudo roaming profiles), storage spaces...
Some of the included metro apps even aren't that bad. For example Reader, which is perfectly adequate for viewing pdf files and I don't have to deal with other crappy and/or bloated pdf applications. I also make use of the news app which is a fairly decent rss reader.
I definitely plan on staying with 8.1 on my primary machine at the least and getting it when it is officially available next month, or at least before the preview suicides depending on budgeting.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Sat, 14 September 2013, 13:11:41
I prefer Win7 with taskbars only (no start menu either...)
I added another taskbar on top with drop down menus to access everything, much faster and easier!

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Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 14 September 2013, 13:12:20
I have windows 7 on my laptop, and windows 8 on my desktop
i prefer windows 8

i actually like the start menu..
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Clicky on Sat, 14 September 2013, 13:37:01
Windows 8 is a wonderful OS...for tablets.  Coming from Windows 7 you're shoved into a tablet optimized interface.  Microsoft could have completely eliminated criticism for this by including by giving you a classic option and a metro option.  Mind blowing that they didn't (perhaps to justify the existence of Windows 8?).  I upgraded simply for the sake of keeping up with tech and being able to help out people that I know who might have issues with it.  To be honest, it works just fine.  For anyone who is slightly tech savvy I don't see the interface slowing you down, plus you can install a 3rd party start menu replacement (I used Start 8 for a bit, but there are others).  For those who are less than savvy, it could take a slight adjustment (my wife now knows what the windows key is...pretty sure she had never hit it purposely in her life before) to get used to.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: muad on Sat, 14 September 2013, 14:19:10
Loving windows 8 here! As it is sucks but you only need one program and it's all fixed. I purchased Startisback as it uses the code in windows 8 to restore the startmenu. If you want a free option then there is always classic shell. Neither program uses tiny amount of resources and implements the start menu and boots into windows desktop. There are even options to disable any way of getting into metro. To be honest I can't remeber seeing metro at all since the intial installation.

Other than that windows 8 has been rocksolid for me and all my games have funcitioned properly. No issues here.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: domoaligato on Sat, 14 September 2013, 14:32:53
If u have a steel series mouse...do not install steel series engine yet on 8.1. It's driver wil lock it up and you have to restore from a restore point to fix it.

Support said they are developing a new version now for 8.1
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Hypersphere on Sat, 14 September 2013, 14:37:46
My primary OS is OS X, but I have VMs and some PCs running Win 7 in order occasionally to run some Win-specific software. However, a colleague whose opinions I trust has told me that Win 8.1 is actually rather good, especially on a dual-monitor setup, and it is faster than Win 7. However, if I were to use it, I would want to use the Classic Shell add-on to give me back the explorer interface. In any event, Win 8 makes me all the more thankful for OS X and linux.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Sat, 14 September 2013, 15:26:38
When I installed Win8, I was totally willing to give the new start-screen a chance. 

But then I found out I wasn't going to be able to run Metro apps anyway.  I mean that literally... Metro apps refuse to run at all if you turn off UAC.  (I guess MS doesn't want me shopping in their app-store!)

So I installed StartIsBack (http://www.startisback.com/).  Now Win8 looks and feels like a skinned Win7.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Sat, 14 September 2013, 15:32:20
When I installed Win8, I was totally willing to give the new start-screen a chance. 

But then I found out I wasn't going to be able to run Metro apps anyway.  I mean that literally... Metro apps refuse to run at all if you turn off UAC.  (I guess MS doesn't want me shopping in their app-store!)

So I installed StartIsBack (http://www.startisback.com/).  Now Win8 looks and feels like a skinned Win7.

Metro apps run on my computer with UAC disabled...
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Sat, 14 September 2013, 15:48:34
Metro apps run on my computer with UAC disabled...

No they don't.  You just haven't completely disabled UAC.  (You can't disable UAC using the UI anymore... you have to do it in the registry.  Simply moving the slider to the bottom *does not* disable UAC.)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Turkishrambo on Sat, 14 September 2013, 15:49:46
"i don't crash on windows 8"

Wat.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Sat, 14 September 2013, 16:09:54
Metro apps run on my computer with UAC disabled...

No they don't.  You just haven't completely disabled UAC.  (You can't disable UAC using the UI anymore... you have to do it in the registry.  Simply moving the slider to the bottom *does not* disable UAC.)

Ahh, you're right... I thought it did disable it, but it just doesn't notify me.

Didn't it used to disable it in Vista / 7 by doing that? If not, I dunno where I got this assumption from, sorry
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Sat, 14 September 2013, 16:37:42
Ahh, you're right... I thought it did disable it, but it just doesn't notify me.

Didn't it used to disable it in Vista / 7 by doing that? If not, I dunno where I got this assumption from, sorry

Yes, that's correct.  You could disable UAC via the slider in Vista/7.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:03:12
WHEN I DON'T WANT MY START MENU I JUST GO ON MY WINDOWS 3.1 PC. CAN'T BEAT PROGRAM MANAGER!
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: vasouv on Sun, 15 September 2013, 03:48:41
I really REALLY like the new Win8 theme, the Metro UI is not THAT hard for me I usually just search the program I want to run anyway so it saves time. I think MS is releasing the 8.1 update with the addition of a Start button so everything's gonna be good :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 September 2013, 03:50:15
WHEN I DON'T WANT MY START MENU I JUST GO ON MY WINDOWS 3.1 PC. CAN'T BEAT PROGRAM MANAGER!

I seem to recall that you could double-click the desktop to do something in Windows 3.1, then double-click to undo it.

I used to spend many minutes at a time idly double-clicking over and over again.

I am easily amused.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Justblair on Sun, 15 September 2013, 05:38:13
I am an IT trainer, so I try and keep ahead of MS applications. (let's face it MS is where it's at for business users, I get asked to train Mac around twice a year and even then it's Office 11). For a desktop user a smooth transition from 7 to 8 is nigh on impossible unless you are already exclusively using the keyboard to navigate. It is simply awful. 8.1 on the other hand is pretty much fixed the worst of 8s problems. I use it on my laptop and apart from having to recompile a driver for my USBtiny Avr programmer the beta is even starting to enter my affections. I am unconvinced that the current desktop pc format has had its day. Business environments have limited use for tablets and touchscreens. They do not offer convenience for the grunt work we do on a daily basis, they may be revolutionising how we consume data in our home and leisure time but they currently consume data more effectively than they produce work product.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: domoaligato on Sun, 15 September 2013, 07:59:53
When I installed Win8, I was totally willing to give the new start-screen a chance. 

But then I found out I wasn't going to be able to run Metro apps anyway.  I mean that literally... Metro apps refuse to run at all if you turn off UAC.  (I guess MS doesn't want me shopping in their app-store!)

So I installed StartIsBack (http://www.startisback.com/).  Now Win8 looks and feels like a skinned Win7.

i use start 8
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Sun, 15 September 2013, 09:41:27
I just picked up a new laptop, I only just discovered that every damn laptop has Windows 8 on it, even though I slated it earlier on, I shall have a play with it and report back later on. Luckily I do have a spare copy of Win7 lying around I can downgrade too.

First things first, quest for replacement Start button.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 15 September 2013, 10:43:04
I just picked up a new laptop, I only just discovered that every damn laptop has Windows 8 on it, even though I slated it earlier on, I shall have a play with it and report back later on. Luckily I do have a spare copy of Win7 lying around I can downgrade too.

First things first, quest for replacement Start button.

That's strange -- my Macbook Air didn't have Windows 8 on it. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Sun, 15 September 2013, 10:46:31
Hahaha :))
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 15 September 2013, 11:01:12
Windows 8 is everything wrong with Microsoft at the moment, ran by a visionless CEO who has no clue about how to take MS into the future other than failing to copy other company's, it's pathetic and has been an abject failure, Windows Phone 8, Surface and Windows 8.

For me Vista is a better operating system than Windows 8, it's easier to use and was designed around a good idea that then manifested it's self in a better more optimal OS called Windows 7. Windows 8 is some half arsed horrible crack to pair two interfaces that should never be paired together, and has kinda failed. Yeah Windows 8 has made money, but it's windows ofc it would make money.

It's a dumb OS that is harder to use than previous OS's and highlights just how clueless they are going forward.

"blah blah blah get off my lawn"
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Sun, 15 September 2013, 11:02:49
Now I have my Start button back, I don't mind it too much. Although seems the same as Win7 to me.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 15 September 2013, 11:05:55
The Start Button in Windows 8.1 bugs the crap out of me. It makes it look like an app icon, so I always get my Win+(number) shortcuts mixed up.

(http://i.imgur.com/sGf1ncZ.png)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Sun, 15 September 2013, 11:07:46
How do you get to 8.1?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 15 September 2013, 12:09:48
Well... start screen more or less is a metro app is how I think about it. It's an app that is an app/program launcher.

You can get the 8.1 preview here (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/preview-iso).
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Sun, 15 September 2013, 15:36:20

How do you get to 8.1?

MSDN subscription
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: kaotikb on Sun, 15 September 2013, 19:31:56
I have Windows 7 on my laptop and windows 8 on my desktop. I don't really have a problem running one or the other. On windows 8, i never use metro since there is no apps that interest me.
I also changed my default programs so i don't get kicked out of desktop when i am viewing an image file or checking my email.

If you really don't like windows 8 start screen you can install classic shell or buy start8. That will get back the start button and the ability to boot to desktop.

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: minimal on Tue, 17 September 2013, 09:52:04
How do you get to 8.1?

Last I checked the full release of the 8.1 update was set mid-October.

As far as it goes, I have a StarDock sub so I've had a start button for a long time. The OS itself has a few under the hood improvements that won't do much for most people. The main one is that they finally updated the memory management in a few pretty important ways: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/10/how-windows-8s-memory-management-modifications-make-for-a-better-user-experience/
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Tue, 17 September 2013, 10:23:01
How do you get to 8.1?

Last I checked the full release of the 8.1 update was set mid-October.

As far as it goes, I have a StarDock sub so I've had a start button for a long time. The OS itself has a few under the hood improvements that won't do much for most people. The main one is that they finally updated the memory management in a few pretty important ways: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/10/how-windows-8s-memory-management-modifications-make-for-a-better-user-experience/

Actually the tickless kernel will be beneficial to everyone, most importantly for laptop users.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 17 September 2013, 11:25:22
Actually the tickless kernel will be beneficial to everyone, most importantly for laptop users.

I actually haven't heard about this. Got a link?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Tue, 17 September 2013, 11:38:49
Actually the tickless kernel will be beneficial to everyone, most importantly for laptop users.

I actually haven't heard about this. Got a link?

here you go (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/10/better-on-the-inside-under-the-hood-of-windows-8/2/) section called Tick Tock
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Turkishrambo on Thu, 26 September 2013, 13:57:43
Windows 8 as an OS is okay.

Working in comp  repair i DO NOT ****ING KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY WERE  THINKING. Every windows 8 laptop or PC is a ****ing pain to repair. Doing repair installs just straight up dont work alot of the time. Itll just sit there doing nothing. for laptops and prebuilt oem machines the product key is built into the BIOS . wtf? What is wrong with just using product keys like 7? Alot of  win 8 laptops need modification to the bios to just get it to boot to disks.. again, why? Theres other things i've come across but forget at this moment.

I still stick to 7 and still recommend customers too stay aswell unless they want to use touchscreen features.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Thu, 26 September 2013, 14:14:17
Windows 8 as an OS is okay.

Working in comp  repair i DO NOT ****ING KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY WERE  THINKING. Every windows 8 laptop or PC is a ****ing pain to repair. Doing repair installs just straight up dont work alot of the time. Itll just sit there doing nothing. for laptops and prebuilt oem machines the product key is built into the BIOS . wtf? What is wrong with just using product keys like 7? Alot of  win 8 laptops need modification to the bios to just get it to boot to disks.. again, why? Theres other things i've come across but forget at this moment.

I still stick to 7 and still recommend customers too stay aswell unless they want to use touchscreen features.

LOL are you serious? You work in computer repair, but can't understand why Microsoft didn't want product keys printed for everyone to see on the bottom of the computer?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 27 September 2013, 06:24:20
Windows 8 as an OS is okay.

Working in comp  repair i DO NOT ****ING KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY WERE  THINKING. Every windows 8 laptop or PC is a ****ing pain to repair. Doing repair installs just straight up dont work alot of the time. Itll just sit there doing nothing. for laptops and prebuilt oem machines the product key is built into the BIOS . wtf? What is wrong with just using product keys like 7? Alot of  win 8 laptops need modification to the bios to just get it to boot to disks.. again, why? Theres other things i've come across but forget at this moment.

I still stick to 7 and still recommend customers too stay aswell unless they want to use touchscreen features.


Why do you bleep out your swears yourself instead of letting the website do it?


And seriously? Wow. Even more to put me off Windows 8.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 27 September 2013, 06:58:01
And seriously? Wow. Even more to put me off Windows 8.

Unfortunately Windows 8 has hurt Microsoft more than it helps it's bottom line.  Even BUSINESS still refuses to upgrade when Windows 7 works perfectly with all current hardware/software without needing to upgrade to 8.  Just the likes of us here seem to be interested in using 8 above the conservatives out there.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: hazeluff on Fri, 27 September 2013, 08:31:20
Windows 8 is a frankenstein of Tablets and PCs. How Win8 tries so hard to be a tablet when it's on a PC is just painful to use. Maybe the next Windows will do better.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 27 September 2013, 08:44:54
JUST ADD A "9" ONTO WINDOWS 8 AND YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEMS EVER!
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K6vAZCh16Y4/TJsxmfldsSI/AAAAAAAAMxo/wAxeqLFbskY/s1600/Windows%2B98%2BSegunda%2BEdi%25C3%25A7%25C3%25A3o%2B-%2BSE.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: kaotikb on Fri, 27 September 2013, 18:31:44
I remember i had an oddball Toshiba laptop that would bluescreen on Windows 98 all the time... on Windows ME it would work flawlessly.
JUST ADD A "9" ONTO WINDOWS 8 AND YOU'VE GOT ONE OF THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEMS EVER!
Show Image
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K6vAZCh16Y4/TJsxmfldsSI/AAAAAAAAMxo/wAxeqLFbskY/s1600/Windows%2B98%2BSegunda%2BEdi%25C3%25A7%25C3%25A3o%2B-%2BSE.jpg)

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Turkishrambo on Fri, 27 September 2013, 20:03:05
Windows 8 as an OS is okay.

Working in comp  repair i DO NOT ****ING KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY WERE  THINKING. Every windows 8 laptop or PC is a ****ing pain to repair. Doing repair installs just straight up dont work alot of the time. Itll just sit there doing nothing. for laptops and prebuilt oem machines the product key is built into the BIOS . wtf? What is wrong with just using product keys like 7? Alot of  win 8 laptops need modification to the bios to just get it to boot to disks.. again, why? Theres other things i've come across but forget at this moment.

I still stick to 7 and still recommend customers too stay aswell unless they want to use touchscreen features.

LOL are you serious? You work in computer repair, but can't understand why Microsoft didn't want product keys printed for everyone to see on the bottom of the computer?
Enlighten me, please. Why is the a better solution than product keys?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Fri, 27 September 2013, 20:13:24
Windows 8 as an OS is okay.

Working in comp  repair i DO NOT ****ING KNOW WHAT THE **** THEY WERE  THINKING. Every windows 8 laptop or PC is a ****ing pain to repair. Doing repair installs just straight up dont work alot of the time. Itll just sit there doing nothing. for laptops and prebuilt oem machines the product key is built into the BIOS . wtf? What is wrong with just using product keys like 7? Alot of  win 8 laptops need modification to the bios to just get it to boot to disks.. again, why? Theres other things i've come across but forget at this moment.

I still stick to 7 and still recommend customers too stay aswell unless they want to use touchscreen features.

LOL are you serious? You work in computer repair, but can't understand why Microsoft didn't want product keys printed for everyone to see on the bottom of the computer?
Enlighten me, please. Why is the a better solution than product keys?

I didn't say it was a better solution, I never even inferred that. I just pointed out that it's funny that as someone who works in computer repair, you cannot see the benefit for Microsoft to have the product keys embedded in the BIOS.

piracy
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: vatin on Fri, 27 September 2013, 21:21:10
Jamming the tablet ui down the throat of desktop user is enough for me to hate it. Xubuntu all the way.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 28 September 2013, 08:33:31
Takes less than 5 minutes to get rid of all the tablet stuff with preference changes. Go to desktop at sign on, show apps view on start, change filetype program associations to desktop programs instead of metro apps...done.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: heissler on Tue, 01 October 2013, 04:35:46
Win8 fixes most of my itches I had with Win7, only improvements down the line for me. I upgraded day 1 and haven't regretted it yet.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 October 2013, 05:01:09
Win8 fixes most of my itches I had with Win7, only improvements down the line for me. I upgraded day 1 and haven't regretted it yet.

what problems did you have with 7
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: heissler on Tue, 01 October 2013, 05:04:05
Win8 fixes most of my itches I had with Win7, only improvements down the line for me. I upgraded day 1 and haven't regretted it yet.

what problems did you have with 7

Slow indexing and overly aggressive UAC.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 01 October 2013, 05:39:17
Win8 fixes most of my itches I had with Win7, only improvements down the line for me. I upgraded day 1 and haven't regretted it yet.

what problems did you have with 7

Slow indexing and overly aggressive UAC.

Who doesn't turn UAC off?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: heissler on Tue, 01 October 2013, 06:30:09
Win8 fixes most of my itches I had with Win7, only improvements down the line for me. I upgraded day 1 and haven't regretted it yet.

what problems did you have with 7

Slow indexing and overly aggressive UAC.

Who doesn't turn UAC off?

People working with company hardware with restricted user privileges?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 October 2013, 07:07:51
I have 2 rigs, each with Windows 7 & 8 Pro. I really like the in-dept chart you get when transferring files and the task manager of Windows 8. And that hybrid sleep mode that allows it to boot in less than 10 secs on an SSD is always a plus.

Only thing I'm still trying to get used to is the lack of confirmation on deletes on Windows 8. I don't get the "Are you sure you want to move this file to the recycle bin" dialogue box anymore whenever I click on something and press the DEL key, but apparently my friends still do and they're on 8 too.  :confused:

And @microsoft windows,Windows ME best OS evar.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: kaotikb on Tue, 01 October 2013, 07:45:03
I don't like the windows 8 touch interface being on a desktop or laptop. It works fine on the surface tablet, but on a desktop or laptop I don't want finger prints all over the screen. Running game is not a problem on Windows 8.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 01 October 2013, 08:41:00
I have 2 rigs, each with Windows 7 & 8 Pro. I really like the in-dept chart you get when transferring files and the task manager of Windows 8. And that hybrid sleep mode that allows it to boot in less than 10 secs on an SSD is always a plus.

Only thing I'm still trying to get used to is the lack of confirmation on deletes on Windows 8. I don't get the "Are you sure you want to move this file to the recycle bin" dialogue box anymore whenever I click on something and press the DEL key, but apparently my friends still do and they're on 8 too.  :confused:

And @microsoft windows,Windows ME best OS evar.

Right click the recycle bin and click Properties, then check "Display delete confirmation dialog"
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ynrozturk on Tue, 01 October 2013, 10:09:58
Been using it for around 8 months now and I really like it. First thing I did was get the Start button from Stardock, but ever since then it's been pretty perfect. No complaints with it. I don't even see the metro interface.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Tue, 01 October 2013, 12:28:39
what problems did you have with 7

Slow indexing and overly aggressive UAC.

Who doesn't turn UAC off?

Everybody using Win8, since they don't allow you to turn it off anymore (without making registry tweaks that break Metro apps).  :(
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Neal on Tue, 01 October 2013, 12:57:00
what problems did you have with 7

Slow indexing and overly aggressive UAC.

Who doesn't turn UAC off?

Everybody using Win8, since they don't allow you to turn it off anymore (without making registry tweaks that break Metro apps).  :(
Pretty sure I turned it off without making registry tweaks.
I have not had any uac pop ups and my Metro apps still works so yeah. :/
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 October 2013, 13:29:32
I have 2 rigs, each with Windows 7 & 8 Pro. I really like the in-dept chart you get when transferring files and the task manager of Windows 8. And that hybrid sleep mode that allows it to boot in less than 10 secs on an SSD is always a plus.

Only thing I'm still trying to get used to is the lack of confirmation on deletes on Windows 8. I don't get the "Are you sure you want to move this file to the recycle bin" dialogue box anymore whenever I click on something and press the DEL key, but apparently my friends still do and they're on 8 too.  :confused:

And @microsoft windows,Windows ME best OS evar.

Right click the recycle bin and click Properties, then check "Display delete confirmation dialog"

That's actually checked and I still don't get the confirmation. I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Tue, 01 October 2013, 18:46:49
Windows 8 is so meh... I wonder how 8.1 will fair
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Tue, 01 October 2013, 22:38:36
Pretty sure I turned it off without making registry tweaks.
I have not had any uac pop ups and my Metro apps still works so yeah. :/

Heh... I've already gone over this in this thread, but it's still on, trust me.  Setting the slider all the way to the bottom doesn't turn UAC off... it just hides all the popups.  There's still stuff it prevents you from doing.  (My biggest annoyance is that it prevents drag/drop between applications with different priviledges.)

You can still turn off UAC via the registry... but doing so prevents all Metro apps from running.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 01 October 2013, 23:04:35
Been using it for around 8 months now and I really like it. First thing I did was get the Start button from Stardock, but ever since then it's been pretty perfect. No complaints with it. I don't even see the metro interface.

Heh that's the first thing a lot of people do - make a new version of Windows look and act like the previous version.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 01 October 2013, 23:13:14
Windows 8 is so meh... I wonder how 8.1 will fair

Exactly the same with no speed increase just changing the gui slightly, to help lure people away from Windows 7.  I'm afraid it will take a lot more than that for customers to drop their Win 7 for the so-called latest/greatest OS by Microsoft  :)) .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 02 October 2013, 15:55:46
I think Windows 7 is becoming the new XP. They'll have to shoot people to make them quit using it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Thu, 03 October 2013, 15:11:33
Or just stop supporting it. Next year will be very interesting when support/security patches for XP stop rolling out.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 04 October 2013, 08:05:05
Next year will be very interesting when support/security patches for XP stop rolling out.

That day will not come soon enough as far as I'm concerned. As flawed as Windows 8 is/was, it's still better than running a 12-year-old operating system.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 04 October 2013, 08:58:36
XP seems about as outdated to me now as 98. I don't understand why people want to keep clutching onto that old OS. It's especially bad on modern hardware, it can't even remotely take advantage of it and is actually very detrimental. It's especially funny to me when people want to install XP on new PC with SSD sata 6GBPS, 8GB ram, multicore cpu... :)) Hardware has come such a long way over the single core 1gHz cpu with 512MB ram and slow IDE disks and less XP was designed to run on.

I still keep hoping for MS to be brave and let go of all legacy support much as Apple did a decade ago and go x64 only across all OS. I would like to see them do something with their experimental singularity/midori OS core. They could make a 32bit legacy OS with long term support much like Windows Thin for the enterprise to use all their old in house and specialty applications they are too cheap to update. I just don't see the need to keep in support for things like floppy drives, parallel printers and the ability to run programs designed for Windows 3.1 in current OS. If it wasn't for having to keep all that crap in for enterprise customers I am sure it would all be gone some time ago. I also wish they would stop adding more programs as part of base Windows. They should keep it lean and let people add the MS programs if they wish from the app store instead of having to remove them to use better alternatives.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: abdulmuhsee on Fri, 04 October 2013, 10:43:52
XP seems about as outdated to me now as 98. I don't understand why people want to keep clutching onto that old OS. It's especially bad on modern hardware, it can't even remotely take advantage of it and is actually very detrimental.

People cling to it because it has the best Windows user interface there is, IMO.  I wouldn't mind upgrading to the latest Windows if it had an "XP Mode" or "Classic Mode" where the GUI would replicate good ol' Windows 95-XP.  You can get some stuff for later versions to change some aspects back to oldschool, but not everything.  The attitude of "get with the times already" is not necessarily going to win over any converts.  Many people also have no need to take advantage of powerful hardware if they are not graphic designers, computer programmers, hardcore gamers, etc.

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I still keep hoping for MS to be brave and let go of all legacy support much as Apple did a decade ago and go x64 only across all OS. I would like to see them do something with their experimental singularity/midori OS core. They could make a 32bit legacy OS with long term support much like Windows Thin for the enterprise to use all their old in house and specialty applications they are too cheap to update. I just don't see the need to keep in support for things like floppy drives, parallel printers and the ability to run programs designed for Windows 3.1 in current OS.

What's wrong with wanting to run a floppy, zip, or parallel printer?  Why not just have a user option that allows you to check or uncheck a box regarding legacy drivers?  Perhaps I want to run an old application designed for Windows 3.1 or explore some old floppies some day.  You can take advantage of modern hardware and also keep the already-existing support/drivers/etc. for legacy devices without issue.  If you don't have a legacy device, then don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 04 October 2013, 14:05:58
I repair and work with a lot of legacy computer equipment, and having support for old-fashioned hardware is very important for me. Even on my Windows 8 box, I can make software disks for Windows 3.1 and MS-DOS machines with no trouble at all. (Except for hassling with that stupid new GUI) Zip-disks also are an immense convenience when working with old computer equipment.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:15:49
I still keep hoping for MS to be brave and let go of all legacy support much as Apple did a decade ago and go x64 only across all OS.

Apple is different because it was Steve Jobs's Baby.  A horrible little infant completely devoid of consciousness or practicality.  Hence what ever Steve wanted, it was put into motion because the Apple Fans would tolerate anything their KING announces.  Now the King is dead long live Apple, but the need to upgrade their hardware is still promoting their chosen platform as something great and needs to upgrade consistently.  Instead of refining their bloated OSX they keep releasing updates which you pay for.

The difference here with Apple verses Windows is that there are FAR greater numbers of Windows out there than Apple.  Apple has carved a mislabeled niche for themselves that ONLY Creatives and Publishing houses use their product but unfortunately for them - in some printing firms here in Perth, they've gone with Windows 7 and 8 to do their roles.

So even now Windows is carving a niche for itself within the heartland of so-called Apple ONLY Territory.

Not bad when Windows is suitably placed to deliver all to anyone wanting a customized system to run their businesses.  Hence I suspect Windows has always stepped cautiously when it came to updating it's OS's because instead of FORCING everyone to go with their latest version people will hold onto their older versions with greater zeal.  Why not, because it still works and gets the job done with little fanfare.

I'm glad they are treading lightly rather than stumbling about like Apple, fooling the idiot fans that their doing something "radical' when in fact their just releasing the same old stuff with different packaging.  You don't need to provide the details for a Mac User just put a 'Steve Jobs' face on the box and it's gone off the shelves  :p .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 October 2013, 18:19:08
Instead of refining their bloated OSX they keep releasing updates which you pay for.

Actually on this point minor updates are free, and analagous to Microsoft service packs.

Major updates (e.g. going from 10.7 to 10.8) are a paid update, around $30.

Compared to Microsoft going from Vista to 7 for $300?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tbc on Sun, 06 October 2013, 18:59:43
i'm assuming that's australian pricing?

it's never correct to use australian pricing to analyze a NA market (i honestly don't understand why software - no shipping - would be so much more expensive).

windows 7 was ~$150 for retail new price.  8 was ~$100.  upgrade prices were drastically cheaper.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 October 2013, 20:47:29
i'm assuming that's australian pricing?

it's never correct to use australian pricing to analyze a NA market (i honestly don't understand why software - no shipping - would be so much more expensive).

windows 7 was ~$150 for retail new price.  8 was ~$100.  upgrade prices were drastically cheaper.

Same for Apple prices then.  Which results in a similar comparison.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tbc on Sun, 06 October 2013, 20:49:52
no, apple OSes are actually $20-$30 CND.  7/8 are $100-$150 CND.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 06 October 2013, 22:16:39
no, apple OSes are actually $20-$30 CND.  7/8 are $100-$150 CND.

Yep, we get shafted every way you see it.  It's sad that we get painted bullseye's on ourselves every time we want to buy anything related to PC/Software gear.

Although I bought my OEM Win 8 Pro when it was selling $120.00AUD when it was first released.  Good deal so I thought at the time.  Besides I never normally buy OS's for my PC's  8) .

But the price tag was attractive, like I would ever spend over $300 for any Software on this planet, because the moolah would of always gone towards a Motherboard or CPU directly.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 07 October 2013, 04:19:53
no, apple OSes are actually $20-$30 CND.  7/8 are $100-$150 CND.

Yep, we get shafted every way you see it.  It's sad that we get painted bullseye's on ourselves every time we want to buy anything related to PC/Software gear.

Although I bought my OEM Win 8 Pro when it was selling $120.00AUD when it was first released.  Good deal so I thought at the time.  Besides I never normally buy OS's for my PC's  8) .

But the price tag was attractive, like I would ever spend over $300 for any Software on this planet, because the moolah would of always gone towards a Motherboard or CPU directly.

Or a CC.  Singular.  Shipped from somewhere in the Rest of the World.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 07 October 2013, 05:21:24
Also another thing I noticed with Microsoft's OS8 Pro is that with four PC's (3 Intel and 1 AMD) have lost all Audio on them after time.  I suspect it's Realtek's Horror driver's that get dropped from the system, but don't know why (have used older and newer drivers still no change).

I miss the OLD days when you had your PC with Windows 2000 installed with the appropriate driver and guess what you got sound that stayed with the PC.  At no time did I ever lose audio or had problems from the sound system.  I know microsoft can design a better system but with the 8 it dropped it's rationale running after the tablet and phone Morons.  Who wouldn't use Microsoft on their devices ever.

So now stuck with deciding to go back to Windows 7 Pro or back further to Vista 64.  Amazing with Microsoft it's always one step forward and three steps back.  Now I feel like a gullible goon for forking out money for this P.O.S. software.  Stick to being a Pirate in the future, then you won't get the hollow feeling of being ripped off by that "evil" corporation.  YES I admit it's a pure money-sucking evil parasite, like the REST of them.

Another thing which ONLY win 8 seems to do is that svchost.exe keeps downloading something constantly when connected to the internet.  The horror is that I can't know what it's downloading because my BitDefender Pro says it's svchost.exe doing it but the system refuses to provide any further info.  Terrifying that everytime you use the net something gets downloaded without you authorizing it.  At least with 7 and Vista there was never that problem because nothing is downloaded unless you request it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 07 October 2013, 06:55:26
If you have any live apps left, it's probably it. Updating news feeds, the weather, etc. constantly. You can also set those apps to on demand or something about being on a metered connection and they stop downloading in the background all day long.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 07 October 2013, 07:55:59
If you have any live apps left, it's probably it. Updating news feeds, the weather, etc. constantly. You can also set those apps to on demand or something about being on a metered connection and they stop downloading in the background all day long.

Thanks totally forgot about that.  Also killed off the STORE app rubbish.  BUT still have no sound/audio.  Will try and sort it out with Realtek because I feel that it's all related to that and nothing else.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 07 October 2013, 08:43:19
Oh, about the sound. I noticed that on fresh start sound is muted on my computer. I have a Creative soundcard, but am using the Microsoft HD audio driver it installed itself with since it actually works well for the most part unlike Creative's drivers. I hardly ever shutdown or reboot so it's not much of an issue for me (all I have to do is hit my mute key to unmute) but it could be doing that on yours too?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 07 October 2013, 08:56:08
I hardly ever shutdown or reboot so it's not much of an issue for me (all I have to do is hit my mute key to unmute) but it could be doing that on yours too?

Thanks for that, I had always wished it was something simple like that but unfortunately mute is off.  It's definitely the Realtek CRAP drivers.  I'm not the only one, lots of others have the same exact problem.

I might try tomorrow an older Auzentek X-Plosion audio card laying around and see if the system can bypass the horrid Realtek Junk and use the card instead.  I always wanted the PC to use what's available and adding a card usually creates problems (microsoft misery).  So much for trying to keep it minimal.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Mon, 07 October 2013, 12:35:59
I've run Windows 8 on three computers so far (will be running it on a fourth very soon when I get my ThinkPad come through next week), and I've had absolutely zero problems with audio.

I've also installed Windows 8 on two machines for my friend, and she hasn't had any audio problems either.

Also, you keep referring to the drivers being crap for Realtek, and then blaming Microsoft for this...

does not compute, really.

edit: also, as far as I can recall, Windows 8 uses the same sound system as was in Windows Vista and Windows 7
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 07 October 2013, 12:54:31
Yeah, I'd say Elrick's problem is a hardware issue, not so much a Windows issue... never had any issues installing drivers for any device in Windows 8 (even my ancient laser printer, which wasn't PnP in Win7, was PnP in Win8).
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 07 October 2013, 18:00:22
Yeah, I'd say Elrick's problem is a hardware issue, not so much a Windows issue... never had any issues installing drivers for any device in Windows 8 (even my ancient laser printer, which wasn't PnP in Win7, was PnP in Win8).

Right this very minute "I HAVE AUDIO".  I just turned off my PC last night and today when I turned it back on - the sound is working.  Again, I have to say Realtek has always been a glitchy, nasty piece of hardware that all Motherboard manufacturers like to use.  Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, MSI, Intel, Biostar, EVGA all use that horrible audio system.  Amazing how they all stick together when choosing only one audio component.  Besides I never liked to use Realtek but the available Creative and Asus PCI cards are no better when it comes to reliable sound.

Thanks to the professionals here on Geekhack for giving pointers on how to make WIN 8, a little better to use.  Just glad I removed all the APP store garbage and now my system no longer downloads on the sly  8) .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Mon, 07 October 2013, 22:19:44
Another thing which ONLY win 8 seems to do is that svchost.exe keeps downloading something constantly when connected to the internet.  The horror is that I can't know what it's downloading because my BitDefender Pro says it's svchost.exe doing it but the system refuses to provide any further info.  Terrifying that everytime you use the net something gets downloaded without you authorizing it.

Svchost.exe is the host process for services.  There are lots of services, but the one most likely downloading stuff would be "Windows Update" or the "Background Intelligent Transfer Service" (BITS)... it's used by Windows Update, but also by 3rd-party apps.  There's a new "Windows Store Service" in Win8 that I don't know much about... but it's also possible that some other piece of software you've installed has started a service that is downloading something.

If you run Process Explorer (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx), it can tell you which services are associated with a particular instance of svchost.exe.  (Double-click the process and go to the 'Services' tab.)

At least with 7 and Vista there was never that problem because nothing is downloaded unless you request it.

BITS was definitely present and active in Win7/Vista/XP.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 07 October 2013, 22:23:57
SysInternals is fantastic!

Big vote here :)

But does it still work on Win 8?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tbc on Mon, 07 October 2013, 22:50:50
the best thing you can do with windows 8 is to let IT manage all the drivers for you.  we've had almost a whole decade to learn windows vista and 7.  it's been barely a year with win8?  every popular os will have huge bug lists because of the sheer amount of users; that's the nature of software and will never change.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tormentor on Tue, 08 October 2013, 01:59:53
I tried 8 recently and it didn't seem to bad. I use 7 now just because I prefer the sort of polished "legacy" feel however I think I may be doing a dual boot of SteamOS and just using windows for desktop/workstation use. With Mantle hopefully seeing wide adaptation and Nvidia (hopefully) not splitting the market with their own API I see PC gaming moving off Windows in the future. Which is beneficial for all of us, Windows is holding our hardware back and it's time to move on at least for certain tasks.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Tue, 08 October 2013, 08:06:02
SysInternals is fantastic!

Big vote here :)

But does it still work on Win 8?

yup SysInternals is compatible, so long as you're using the latest version of the suite. it is very awesome
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ijprest on Tue, 08 October 2013, 15:29:45
SysInternals is fantastic!

Big vote here :)

But does it still work on Win 8?

yup SysInternals is compatible, so long as you're using the latest version of the suite. it is very awesome

SysInternals was bought-out by Microsoft a few years back (when Mark Russinovich went to work for them)... so I figure they'll be kept up-to-date for the forseeable future.

The tools are all pretty great.  And Russinovich is a pretty smart guy... when I worked briefly on the Windows Kernel team (in the Win2k-XP days), they handed me his book as a primer on how the kernel worked.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 08 October 2013, 15:53:46
7 > 8 was £15 about $25 :3
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: heissler on Tue, 08 October 2013, 16:08:55
7 > 8 was £15 about $25 :3

Speaking for Germany, Upgrading was 15€ the first few hours after release due to a bugged upgrading offer for everyone without any kind of verification. The regular upgrading offer was open for everyone who bought a Win7 machine since 2012, valid until January 2013, upgrade cost 15€.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Tym on Tue, 08 October 2013, 16:21:32
7 > 8 was £15 about $25 :3

Upgrading was 15€ the first few hours after release due to a bugged upgrading offer for everyone without any kind of verification. The regular upgrading offer was open for everyone who bought a Win7 machine since 2012, valid until January 2013, upgrade cost 15€.

Wasn't like that over here, I bought about 4 copies for £15, from retail stores (online) for about 2-3weeks after release.

EDIT: I'm not actually sure what you are saying, are you disagreeing with me or what :3

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: heissler on Wed, 09 October 2013, 02:10:12
7 > 8 was £15 about $25 :3

Upgrading was 15€ the first few hours after release due to a bugged upgrading offer for everyone without any kind of verification. The regular upgrading offer was open for everyone who bought a Win7 machine since 2012, valid until January 2013, upgrade cost 15€.

Wasn't like that over here, I bought about 4 copies for £15, from retail stores (online) for about 2-3weeks after release.

EDIT: I'm not actually sure what you are saying, are you disagreeing with me or what :3

Nope, just stating that it was even cheaper here in Germany  :thumb:
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 13 October 2013, 21:50:49
I repair and work with a lot of legacy computer equipment, and having support for old-fashioned hardware is very important for me.

I suppose this question would be aimed at our Microsoft Fanatic (I mean that with great affection), you never mentioned about installing or using Windows XP 64, why is that?

I actually found an old XP 64 CD at work which was trapped in between some old magazines (yes, not Hustler or Playboy).  Figured I might take it home and install it on some older AMD gear.  I'm surprised that very little mention of this OS on here despite it being a further refinement to Win 2000.  I remembered using it about 12 years ago on a dual P3 and it really kicked ass back then.

The funny thing when you download drivers for your latest Nvidia 7000 series video card "Win XP 64" is still in there as a selection for your drivers.  Go figure that such an older OS still gets support in 2013  ;D .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 21 October 2013, 14:18:51
It's been a while since I've seen Windows XP x64 in service, but I do recall there being issues with it. Haven't run it in a while.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 22 October 2013, 06:30:31
IIRC, XP 64 didn't have a lot of drivers available for the most part. A lot of gaming peripherals, for instance.

Anyway, I subscribe to the "skip every 2nd version" camp. In other words Windows for Workgroups (3.11), 98, XP, Win7 are the ones I found best. 95, ME, Vista, Win8 all kinda suck, IMO, for various reasons. Not sure where NT and 2000 fit, but they weren't really on my radar for my home desktop.

I truly cannot stand the Metro interface. Why would I want a touch-screen interface on my desktop? It just gets in the way.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tufty on Wed, 23 October 2013, 05:14:52
Anyway, I subscribe to the "skip every 2nd version" camp. In other words Windows for Workgroups (3.11), 98, XP, Win7 are the ones I found best. 95, ME, Vista, Win8 all kinda suck, IMO, for various reasons.
The whole "every other release" thing is seeing patterns where none exist.  XP was (rightfully) hated on its release, the "tinkertoy" interface came in for particular vitriol but it was the BSoDs that did it for me.  MS had been getting pretty good at random crashes with earlier release, but XP pre SP2 showed signs of absolute, world-crushing, excellence.  Add to that its ability to be remotely pwnt by skr1pt k1ddi3z in seconds, and you had a "really good" operating system.

If you don't like Metro, don't pin your hopes on it getting better or going away.  MS are, I feel, currently utterly incapable of producing an OS their users want, that *anybody* wants - they are desperately trying to stay relevant in an increasingly non-MS world, and that means forcing something "different" down your throats.  They're in a really hard place at the moment - Operating systems are commodity items now, their effective value for the customer is zero.  If you want an OS that's "good enough", it's a mere download away from pretty much any Linux distro.  Apple are hanging on by using OSX as their value add to an otherwise rather ordinary (and "brand name" priced) hardware lineup, but it's gonna be hard times ahead for them as well as hardware prices become more and more commodity (low priced machines only make sense when you have no software licensing costs, the cost of Windows has forced them out of the low priced tablet market, and desktop-class hardware is approaching prices in the tens of dollars rather than the hundreds or thousands).

Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 02:46:48
If you want an OS that's "good enough", it's a mere download away from pretty much any Linux distro.

I was always scared of using a Linux distribution due to it not being a Windows Install.  Also worried about conducting banking and payments via their OS.  Just want a 100% secure OS without fear of losing my log-ins to key finders and other rubbish that might be (possibly) installed via any current Linux OS.

Sorry to be so negative about Linux but I couldn't take a risk that would cost me big time down the track.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 03:04:56
No one h8s windows 8...  it just makes no sense to upgrade from 7... 
No one h8s Vista...  It just made no sense to upgrade from XP...
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 24 October 2013, 03:35:07
If you want an OS that's "good enough", it's a mere download away from pretty much any Linux distro.

I was always scared of using a Linux distribution due to it not being a Windows Install.  Also worried about conducting banking and payments via their OS.  Just want a 100% secure OS without fear of losing my log-ins to key finders and other rubbish that might be (possibly) installed via any current Linux OS.

Sorry to be so negative about Linux but I couldn't take a risk that would cost me big time down the track.

Oh man... I don't even know where to start with this post..

You want a 100% secure OS and are worried about keyloggers, etc. and you run Windows instead of Linux? Just where were you planning on getting your Linux distros from? Underground IP address-only warez sites?

It's not a Windows install, because it's a Linux install... Latest ones are as easy (or easier) to install and set up as Windows. Some have really nice config scripts that make customising easy (install only the stuff you want, disable the stuff you don't, etc).

Lots of distros to choose from depending on your tastes, too. I like Crunchbang personally, it's so minimalist. Ubuntu is a popular choice. Give it a try, you may be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 03:36:07
Also worried about conducting banking and payments via their OS.  Just want a 100% secure OS without fear of losing my log-ins to key finders and other rubbish that might be (possibly) installed via any current Linux OS.

Sorry to be so negative about Linux but I couldn't take a risk that would cost me big time down the track.
Sorry?  That's gotta be a troll, right?

You'd rather blindly trust your data to non-auditable code in a closed environment that has historically proven to be the #1 host for malware of all sorts?  To a closed environment that allegedly has NSA backdoors planted in it?

There's loads of perfectly valid reasons to fear using linux, but - well, just - wow. 
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 03:47:22
Lots of distros to choose from depending on your tastes, too. I like Crunchbang personally, it's so minimalist. Ubuntu is a popular choice. Give it a try, you may be pleasantly surprised.

Sorry to get you miffed with what a typical Windows user thinks about Linux in general.  As I have never installed or used a Linux distribution in my life I figured I would show my ignorance for you guys to kick about.

You'd rather blindly trust your data to non-auditable code in a closed environment that has historically proven to be the #1 host for malware of all sorts?  To a closed environment that allegedly has NSA backdoors planted in it?

I know they exist but do you really think Linux is any safer in that regard?  I have been using every type of Windows OS over the years from 98 to 8.0 and have never had my bank/credit account details stolen or used anywhere.  That is why I'm still using Microsoft's gear.  I just wish Linux provided that same amount of protection.

Yes, sorry to insult you more with my ignorance but if you're happy with what you've got, you keep on using it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 24 October 2013, 06:10:19
...
I just wish Linux provided that same amount of protection.
...

Firstly, I apologise if I caused offense, there was none meant.

Secondly, please allow me to help reduce your ignorance:

Linux provides way BETTER security than Windows.

That's why I didn't understand your post. Windows is prone to so many types of malware and attacks that Linux is impervious to. You don't have to use any type of malware prevention / antivirus software when you run Linux.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 06:19:41
I know they exist but do you really think Linux is any safer in that regard?
Yes.  At a fundamental level, the linux kernel and GNU userspace layer is enormously more secure than the equivalent parts of Windows, and they are updated to enhance that security / patch issues far more regularly.

It's hard to quantify using, for example, secunia.com's vulnerability database (http://secunia.com/community/advisories/), given that the linux equivalent to Windows is an amalgam of the Linux kernel, the windowing system, and  the various userspace daemons and utilities that a given distro installs.  And then you have to add on the software that you're actually using.

FWIW, Windows (from at least XP up to *at least* Win 7.x) is currently wide open for remote exploit (running arbitrary code with system-level permissions).  The vulnerability allowing this has been disclosed publicly since 2010, and has been known about in "black hat" circles for much longer.  It's not been patched, and it's not a "theoretical" exploit - it's being widely used to (for example) load malware including keyloggers and botnet software.

IE is a "bit" shaky, as well.  Office 2013?  Don't even get me started on "productivity" software that allows remote users to gain system level permissions on your machine. (http://secunia.com/advisories/51856/)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:38:07
All of this proves my point even further. You all should use Windows 3.1 if you care about security. That's what I do!
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:40:58
Firstly, I apologise if I caused offense, there was none meant.

Dear Sir,

You could never insult me regarding my ignorance relating to Linux because I have never used it and the so-called anti-Linux propaganda is quite effective within the Windows world.  Hence for average users it instills complete (frightened) loyalty to everything relating to Microsoft.  If there is nothing else out there we (I am) stuck with using Windows OS's for many years to come.

So please don't feel you have caused any offense but you helped instill a curiosity about using Linux on at least one PC Box, to see what all the mystery is relating to this new operating system  ;) .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:01:53
I tried running Linux as a desktop operating system for a few months a few years ago.

At that time I used Firefox and Thunderbird under Windows, and migration of data was seamless.

It worked well, but I have been using Linux for long enough to expect things on the GUI to crash every now and again, so that lingering suspicion probably tainted my experiment.

Linux GUIs are probably more stable than that now.

Eventually I switched back to Windows due to the lack of game support under Linux.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: epiphany on Thu, 24 October 2013, 22:11:52
We're actually in an odd place right now for Linux too. I'm a long time Linux user and have loved it for years, but it's gotten kind of chaotic lately as Ubuntu tries to move to mobile as well and they start to shift to new display servers (Mir or Wayland). I can still set up a good stable system which runs most software that I need, and Ubuntu works well for me on certain hardware (but really fails on others). It's not a good time to switch to Linux - and it pains me to say that.

Right now I'm running mostly hackintoshes that dual boot to Linux. Lately I've also been playing with Windows 7/8 because I need to support Windows machines at my job. Really, I've been pretty unimpressed with making the switch back (I haven't used Windows regularly since around 2007). Windows still feels unpolished to me. Windows 8 feels really odd while using a mouse/keyboard. I realize that there are decent keyboard combos, but I haven't learned them yet, and I've been baffled by the separation between Metro/Desktop. Why aren't they using the same apps - especially when they have the same name? (Internet Explorer for instance). And why isn't there a Metro version of Word/Office for RT. -- RT by the way seems like it could have been a winner but they made it a second class citizen.

Honestly, Windows 8 was something I was really excited about because I was interested in seeing when mobile/desktop would really converge in a beautiful way. I basically want a laptop/tablet combo that I can attach a mouse/keyboard to and get some real work done. Instead, it seems like they are just totally lacking in direction and thinking that their problem is that they just aren't advertising enough.

Really it feels like everyone is just trying to figure out what to do next - whether Linux, Mac, or Windows. I'm hoping that someone rises up and comes up with something that's a real winner, because it's clear that we haven't found it yet.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tufty on Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:12:53
you helped instill a curiosity about using Linux on at least one PC Box, to see what all the mystery is relating to this new operating system  ;) .
That's a good start.  Curiosity is always good.

You don't need to dedicate a PC to it - as long as your PC can boot from USB, you can run it from a thumb stick.  It *will* be slower run that way, but it'll give you an idea of what it's like.  Or you could set up a virtual machine with VirtualBox and install to that.

You may not like everything, but you usually have a choice.  2 major desktop environments, and umpteen different variants.  etc etc.  Give it a try.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 25 October 2013, 02:19:53
Curiosity is good :) You can also use the install CD / DVD for most distros and boot straight from that to get an idea of how the system looks and works. No install needed.

...

Eventually I switched back to Windows due to the lack of game support under Linux.

This is the main reason I still use Windows and my main complaint about Linux.

<Warning: Some may find the following controversial>
The OS design is simply not good for gaming, for a lot of rather in-depth low level OS design-related reasons. The scheduler, kernel, driver architecture, etc, are good for running background tasks, handling input, etc, but the input devices and display drivers do not get high enough priority to be as responsive as possible which is what you need for a great gaming experience. Throwing more speed at the system is bringing it up to acceptable levels, but it's still not going to be as responsive as Win7 due to design.

Of course the Office equivalents on Linux also suck, but that's a whole other debate.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: tufty on Fri, 25 October 2013, 06:23:14
Of course the Office equivalents on Linux also suck, but that's a whole other debate.
Indeed.  They suck almost as much as Office itself.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: iri on Tue, 29 October 2013, 03:53:24
recently i've bought a cheap and powerful hp laptop with windows 8 preinstalled. wi-fi software crashed 5 minutes of use. i formatted the hd and installed the latest ubuntu, which took only ten minutes. i am satisfied now.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Tue, 29 October 2013, 08:34:17
recently i've bought a cheap and powerful hp laptop with windows 8 preinstalled. wi-fi software crashed 5 minutes of use. i formatted the hd and installed the latest ubuntu, which took only ten minutes. i am satisfied now.

That would've been a driver issue, nothing to do with Windows 8 itself.

but congrats on getting Ubuntu and being satisfied!
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: ynrozturk on Tue, 29 October 2013, 08:52:03
Bit overkill to wipe the OS because of a single driver which could have easily been updated. But Ubuntu is great so enjoy!
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: iri on Tue, 29 October 2013, 09:51:22
background note: i haven't been using windows for 7 years before buying this laptop. and i didn't want to mess up with "fixing whatever error wizard" almost immediately after i started the system.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 29 October 2013, 17:53:28
I used it for a couple weeks. Customized some stuff, did some tweaks. I have some cool screenshots. Just wasnt feeling it though. Went back to full partition Windows 7 and full partition ubuntu 12.04 w Gnome Classic of course  ;).
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: inteli722 on Sat, 02 November 2013, 21:32:29
(http://i.imgur.com/yGsaPwN.png)
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: vun on Sat, 02 November 2013, 21:38:31
I've had to set up some computers with win8 and also update to 8.1, so far I'm not impressed and it's not worth upgrading at all. Might've been worth it during the discount period after release, but at full price I just can't see why I'd want to get 8/8.1 over 7.

Although with 8.1 it seems like it's a usable system if you're getting it pre-installed or something, and it's amazing for casual use since a lot of newer laptops and AIO machines have touchscreens these days.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 02 November 2013, 22:09:13
accidental post  :eek: how do i delete
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 02 November 2013, 23:55:17
I've had to set up some computers with win8 and also update to 8.1, so far I'm not impressed and it's not worth upgrading at all. Might've been worth it during the discount period after release, but at full price I just can't see why I'd want to get 8/8.1 over 7.

My thoughts exactly.  I don't see it anywhere worth the money they're demanding.  If it was down around $50USD max then it might be worth upgrading but at the current price tag, the 7 version still reigns supreme if you have to choose a windows operating system.

Ubuntu is taking my interest currently and it might actually swing me away from Microsoft.  Go figure, Linux seems much more exciting now especially since it's 100% FREE  ;D .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 02 November 2013, 23:57:42
I've had to set up some computers with win8 and also update to 8.1, so far I'm not impressed and it's not worth upgrading at all. Might've been worth it during the discount period after release, but at full price I just can't see why I'd want to get 8/8.1 over 7.

My thoughts exactly.  I don't see it anywhere worth the money they're demanding.  If it was down around $50USD max then it might be worth upgrading but at the current price tag, the 7 version still reigns supreme if you have to choose a windows operating system.

Ubuntu is taking my interest currently and it might actually swing me away from Microsoft.  Go figure, Linux seems much more exciting now especially since it's 100% FREE  ;D .

Try it out! I love the feel of 12.04 with classic gnome menu
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: zenuty on Mon, 04 November 2013, 04:33:08
if i have chance i will trying set up windows 8
But window 8 is too expensive in here.

I think only have money problems..
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:15:25
You can always check out the Windows 8.1 evaluation (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/hh699156.aspx) for free.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 04 November 2013, 17:09:51
90 day evaluation.  Download commenced.  And actually nearly finished now, I am still surprised how fast my new internet connection is some times.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: MsYutai on Mon, 04 November 2013, 17:14:31
LOL, Windows 8.

Yes I have it, because I thought "hey this is the future and I am a nerd!"-- it was a mistake (coming from Win7 Pro 64)

I would say Windows 8 is usable. I wouldn't have it if I cared at all about productivity...

The stock desktop is quite awful and I would recommend an addon like DisplayFusion to make it suck less.

No way I'm using the tiles. They work well as desktop-type icons-- of course nothing is added automatically though and good luck finding any app in the menus!

Worst part: needing a Microsoft account to do anything with the tiles/store. I hate that!!! Making me sign into a web account to use my own computer?? Heck no!! Everything in the store gets crap reviews anyways... you also have to have the annoying as heck "UAC" enabled to use the interactive tiles... sigh...

Did they update the search functionality in 8.1? So I can find applications easier

EDIT: Seeing they updated the search from the other thread. Though I'm wondering if I can install without the store (since I disabled the crap out of it, haha).
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 November 2013, 17:40:10
Worst part: needing a Microsoft account to do anything with the tiles/store. I hate that!!! Making me sign into a web account to use my own computer?? Heck no!! Everything in the store gets crap reviews anyways... you also have to have the annoying as heck "UAC" enabled to use the interactive tiles... sigh...

Did they update the search functionality in 8.1? So I can find applications easier

EDIT: Seeing they updated the search from the other thread. Though I'm wondering if I can install without the store (since I disabled the crap out of it, haha).

YES, the unmitigated FORCED, integration of their foul microsoft account (which I will never use in a 1000 years).

That is why I still use and support Windows 7 x64.  Still their best yet  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:13:16
But if you're not using the Metro interface, you don't need to use a Microsoft account to log in...
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 November 2013, 22:22:46
But if you're not using the Metro interface, you don't need to use a Microsoft account to log in...

Try installing 8.1 without their Microsoft Account?  To be on the safe side with 8, I always disconnect the internet when installing their crummy OS.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Tue, 05 November 2013, 16:04:28
But if you're not using the Metro interface, you don't need to use a Microsoft account to log in...

Try installing 8.1 without their Microsoft Account?  To be on the safe side with 8, I always disconnect the internet when installing their crummy OS.

Yeah I did exactly that - installed Windows 8.1 without a Microsoft Account (http://www.infobyte.hr/blog/337/windows-8-1-preview-how-to-install-without-microsoft-account-skip-microsoft-account/).
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 05 November 2013, 20:55:02
But if you're not using the Metro interface, you don't need to use a Microsoft account to log in...

Try installing 8.1 without their Microsoft Account?  To be on the safe side with 8, I always disconnect the internet when installing their crummy OS.

Yeah I did exactly that - installed Windows 8.1 without a Microsoft Account (http://www.infobyte.hr/blog/337/windows-8-1-preview-how-to-install-without-microsoft-account-skip-microsoft-account/).

Treating your customers like idiots or thieves.

Nice one.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Tue, 05 November 2013, 23:12:11
Still don't know what all the *****ing is about. I've been running 8 since RC hit MSDN in early August last year. Never setup a Live account, never used any Metro apps. Not a hitch. Yeah, you have to read the prompts a little carefully to get the desired result, but that's nothing new.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Neal on Wed, 06 November 2013, 04:29:25
Still don't know what all the *****ing is about. I've been running 8 since RC hit MSDN in early August last year. Never setup a Live account, never used any Metro apps. Not a hitch. Yeah, you have to read the prompts a little carefully to get the desired result, but that's nothing new.
Same here, I have very little if anything against W8. Same with W7, They're the same to me.

I just like W8 a bit better because of some fancy stuff, like the task manager etc.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Wed, 06 November 2013, 07:41:03
But if you're not using the Metro interface, you don't need to use a Microsoft account to log in...

Try installing 8.1 without their Microsoft Account?  To be on the safe side with 8, I always disconnect the internet when installing their crummy OS.

Yeah I did exactly that - installed Windows 8.1 without a Microsoft Account (http://www.infobyte.hr/blog/337/windows-8-1-preview-how-to-install-without-microsoft-account-skip-microsoft-account/).

Treating your customers like idiots or thieves.

Nice one.

How is promoting use of a Microsoft Live account treating customers like thieves?

also, how is it treating them like idiots?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: oscillik on Wed, 06 November 2013, 07:42:21
Still don't know what all the *****ing is about. I've been running 8 since RC hit MSDN in early August last year. Never setup a Live account, never used any Metro apps. Not a hitch. Yeah, you have to read the prompts a little carefully to get the desired result, but that's nothing new.

The *****ing, from what I can see, generally goes like this:

"Herp! Tha Windos stert boxy majig! where it go?! ****in magnets, how do dey werk?"
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: MsYutai on Wed, 06 November 2013, 15:07:38
Hehe. Installed Windows 8.1 last night then had to spend 30 minutes fixing the thing... didn't have permissions to my own folders despite EVERYONE being set to full control. I think it was all confused because I had signed in with the Microsoft Account to install the thing. Sigh, what a pita.

I am glad though because they fixed the search and I also got a new slick version of Avast! yayy..?
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: nogamesplayed on Wed, 06 November 2013, 15:19:13
I've been running Windows 8 since RTM, and I'm convinced that the people who say they don't like it are the ones who really didn't bother to learn how to use it. Your workflow is partially disrupted for about 2 weeks after you get over the idea that you no longer have a start menu and you use the Charms bar (as one of the many ways) to shut down, but after that you don't have any issues. Windows 8 is significantly faster, and most report better frame rates in games. It takes me ~10 seconds to boot, and I prefer booting to the Start Screen interface because I instantly see my notifications (email, calender, weather, etc).

After learning how to use it you will seriously never understand how you once preferred anything else. It just makes sense. The start menu has been a cluttered cluster**** for years... a hundred different folders and subfolders and subfolders... it's pointless. All of the best bits from the start menu are still available too-- just right click on the start button in Windows 8 and you get this:
(http://i.imgur.com/p17DTQB.png)

Very simple and straight forward.

A lot of people say it's a bad move etc but so far, all of Microsoft's moves have been great (Windows Phone is a great OS, it just lacks apps, the Surface is a great tablet, and Windows 8 is well polished).
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: daerid on Wed, 06 November 2013, 15:29:51
^^^^ You can also get that by hitting Win+X
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Willy on Thu, 07 November 2013, 00:17:56
I use StartIsBack. I don't think I've ever seen the start screen or charms bar since the first 5 minutes of my install (boots to desktop and charms disabled). My windows 8 is pretty much windows 7 with all the benefits of windows 8. I have no reason to go back to Window 7.
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 07 November 2013, 02:47:55
My windows 8 is pretty much windows 7 with all the benefits of windows 8. I have no reason to go back to Window 7.

I bought a lot of licenses for Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate x64's hence I will continue to get my money's worth.  I still love Win 7 despite paying up for a Win 8 Pro x64 hence for me this will be the last Windows OS purchase for some years to come.

Can never see the need to ever want 8.1, because everything still works perfectly  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Windows 8 hate?
Post by: terran5992 on Thu, 07 November 2013, 03:06:25
My windows 8 is pretty much windows 7 with all the benefits of windows 8. I have no reason to go back to Window 7.

I bought a lot of licenses for Windows 7 Pro/Ultimate x64's hence I will continue to get my money's worth.  I still love Win 7 despite paying up for a Win 8 Pro x64 hence for me this will be the last Windows OS purchase for some years to come.

Can never see the need to ever want 8.1, because everything still works perfectly  :thumb: .

True enough

if it aint broke , dont fix it