They say they are pbt, but does anyone actually have a set of them? How does the quality compare to the imsto ones? Are they thick as well? Something must explain the huge price difference.
Is the spacebar made out of abs?
I have a lot of suspicious over China made stuff.. and free shipping - the cost must have gone to somewhere. So, just be wary.
I just got my POM and PBT set in the mail last week. Here's a comparison pic with a few other key caps. I will say that the POM caps from Banggood are extremely tight on the stems, even more so than my other POM set. As you can see, it pulled the stem out from one of my switches when I tried to remove it. Nothing's broken, and if I can get the stem out I can just drop it back into the switch. But still, what a PITA.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YoxUsZR.jpg)
From left to right: stock QFR, stock Poker, Imsto/KBC thick PBT, Banggood PBT, Banggood POM, rainbow jelly POM (from feng).
Sorry, no pics of the tops, but I will say that both are OEM profile. The PBT caps have a nice amount of roughness on the surface, similar to other PBT caps I've tried.
I could say the same for all the aftermarket thick keycaps we're buying. They're all sourced from China, yet we're still paying a premium for the thicker keycaps.
Wary of the quality of the goods. Perhaps it looked good now but will the product stand the test of times? I don't know about you but I have been burned a couple of times importing goods from China. It looked like the real thing... they even imitate their own home-grown brand - I imported a power bank thinking it was the popular/reputable Yoobao brand but it turned out that there are imitations of Yoobao power bank. So it was cheap, but it didn't hold it charges for long. Yeah, be wary!
Wary of the quality of the goods. Perhaps it looked good now but will the product stand the test of times? I don't know about you but I have been burned a couple of times importing goods from China. It looked like the real thing... they even imitate their own home-grown brand - I imported a power bank thinking it was the popular/reputable Yoobao brand but it turned out that there are imitations of Yoobao power bank. So it was cheap, but it didn't hold it charges for long. Yeah, be wary!
My thought is, it's not electronics. They're pieces of plastic. If they fit the stems, and are the right shape, then there can't be anything wrong with them. My spacebar from them was A LITTLE bent, but you kind of expect that with PBT, even from the big companies.
Wary of the quality of the goods. Perhaps it looked good now but will the product stand the test of times? I don't know about you but I have been burned a couple of times importing goods from China. It looked like the real thing... they even imitate their own home-grown brand - I imported a power bank thinking it was the popular/reputable Yoobao brand but it turned out that there are imitations of Yoobao power bank. So it was cheap, but it didn't hold it charges for long. Yeah, be wary!
My thought is, it's not electronics. They're pieces of plastic. If they fit the stems, and are the right shape, then there can't be anything wrong with them. My spacebar from them was A LITTLE bent, but you kind of expect that with PBT, even from the big companies.
The thickness, material, texture etc all make a difference when it comes to key caps.
Got mine yesterday. In the process of putting them on now. As others have said, they're definitely not thick, but white PBT and $17, for an 87-key set. Pretty good deal overall. I'll maybe do some pics when I'm done. Also, no warped keys either.
Got mine yesterday. In the process of putting them on now. As others have said, they're definitely not thick, but white PBT and $17, for an 87-key set. Pretty good deal overall. I'll maybe do some pics when I'm done. Also, no warped keys either.
You sure about your spacebar?
Aren't they just Keycool PBT caps? Not horrible quality, but definitely not bad either and much easier and cheaper than trying to buy off of Taobao. I wonder if we could get them to carry more of the interesting stuff that you can find on Taobao but is more difficult to find elsewhere. If they keep expanding like they are, Qtan and Feng are going to face some stiff competition, especially with the pricing Banggood is offering.
I got the free yin yang keycap from them, (including free shipping) Really impressed at how fast and the quality :)When was this?
hey folks, i'm not going to lock or significantly edit this thread as it predates the ban, but banggood is not allowed to do business on this board due to numerous violations of the VTOS. please note that they were previously known as tmart (somewhere around a 0 on resellerratings). as tmart, they did the exact same thing they are doing as banggood, sourcing goods on taobao and then shipping just-in-time after the orders come in. however, the reason they have a 0 on resellerratings is because they finished this off by a cut-and-run.
further, they went to such lengths as attempting to bribe a moderator with a coupon in order to get an admin to give them a vendor forum during the vendor forum moratorium, as well as starting a number of dummy accounts that were talking with each other to bring their name up more often.
the reason we are probably seeing them here now because they have been using the exact same tactics on reddit and we have continued to get some spillover despite me specifically banning all banggood accounts and informing a number of independent individuals that they were harassing and attempting to use as viral marketers that they were absolutely advised to ignore the vendor.
that said, qtan and feng can both purchase anything off of taobao, including these keycool caps and have them sent to you. i don't know what the price differential would be, but qtan and feng are both vendors with extremely high reputations who follow all the rules of geekhack to the tee and have been for years. you are free to make your own choice obviously, but the moderation team will be squashing future threads of this nature due to the vendor ban.
their tactic seems to be to grow a business via small losses or at-cost selling as quickly as possible, then when their oustanding accounts payable is large enough, they just cut and run with the money.
thankfully for the people purchasing from them, they have not done so with the banggood name yet, but please be aware that this is their MO, and that among other things is why they are not allowed to advertise or do any business at all on geekhack. in fact, please report any activity from them that you see.
their tactic seems to be to grow a business via small losses or at-cost selling as quickly as possible, then when their oustanding accounts payable is large enough, they just cut and run with the money.
thankfully for the people purchasing from them, they have not done so with the banggood name yet, but please be aware that this is their MO, and that among other things is why they are not allowed to advertise or do any business at all on geekhack. in fact, please report any activity from them that you see.
hey folks, i'm not going to lock or significantly edit this thread as it predates the ban, but banggood is not allowed to do business on this board due to numerous violations of the VTOS. please note that they were previously known as tmart (somewhere around a 0 on resellerratings). as tmart, they did the exact same thing they are doing as banggood, sourcing goods on taobao and then shipping just-in-time after the orders come in. however, the reason they have a 0 on resellerratings is because they finished this off by a cut-and-run.
further, they went to such lengths as attempting to bribe a moderator with a coupon in order to get an admin to give them a vendor forum during the vendor forum moratorium, as well as starting a number of dummy accounts that were talking with each other to bring their name up more often.
the reason we are probably seeing them here now because they have been using the exact same tactics on reddit and we have continued to get some spillover despite me specifically banning all banggood accounts and informing a number of independent individuals that they were harassing and attempting to use as viral marketers that they were absolutely advised to ignore the vendor.
that said, qtan and feng can both purchase anything off of taobao, including these keycool caps and have them sent to you. i don't know what the price differential would be, but qtan and feng are both vendors with extremely high reputations who follow all the rules of geekhack to the tee and have been for years. you are free to make your own choice obviously, but the moderation team will be squashing future threads of this nature due to the vendor ban.
I would like to add that I actually have spoken to the user previously known as tmart on numerous occasions through skype. The user was very nice to me but was very focused on getting people to buy from banggood. I tried to explain to him how being a reputable and honest person on GeekHack would go miles and miles into becoming a Vendor and being able to grow a business. Apparently I was just being used to write up a review to try and drive as much traffic to their site as possible. I honestly did the review because I love keyboards and love hearing peoples opinions on such things so I feel that my opinion may help someone new to keyboards.
Anyways all that to say I tried to guide this individual to behave like a sane business person but it fell upon deaf hears I suppose. Sad to see and hear about and sorry if I aided in any negative activity on GeekHack. :(
I love you guys and gals :)
hey folks, i'm not going to lock or significantly edit this thread as it predates the ban, but banggood is not allowed to do business on this board due to numerous violations of the VTOS. please note that they were previously known as tmart (somewhere around a 0 on resellerratings). as tmart, they did the exact same thing they are doing as banggood, sourcing goods on taobao and then shipping just-in-time after the orders come in. however, the reason they have a 0 on resellerratings is because they finished this off by a cut-and-run.
further, they went to such lengths as attempting to bribe a moderator with a coupon in order to get an admin to give them a vendor forum during the vendor forum moratorium, as well as starting a number of dummy accounts that were talking with each other to bring their name up more often.
the reason we are probably seeing them here now because they have been using the exact same tactics on reddit and we have continued to get some spillover despite me specifically banning all banggood accounts and informing a number of independent individuals that they were harassing and attempting to use as viral marketers that they were absolutely advised to ignore the vendor.
that said, qtan and feng can both purchase anything off of taobao, including these keycool caps and have them sent to you. i don't know what the price differential would be, but qtan and feng are both vendors with extremely high reputations who follow all the rules of geekhack to the tee and have been for years. you are free to make your own choice obviously, but the moderation team will be squashing future threads of this nature due to the vendor ban.
I would like to add that I actually have spoken to the user previously known as tmart on numerous occasions through skype. The user was very nice to me but was very focused on getting people to buy from banggood. I tried to explain to him how being a reputable and honest person on GeekHack would go miles and miles into becoming a Vendor and being able to grow a business. Apparently I was just being used to write up a review to try and drive as much traffic to their site as possible. I honestly did the review because I love keyboards and love hearing peoples opinions on such things so I feel that my opinion may help someone new to keyboards.
Anyways all that to say I tried to guide this individual to behave like a sane business person but it fell upon deaf hears I suppose. Sad to see and hear about and sorry if I aided in any negative activity on GeekHack. :(
I love you guys and gals :)
Gave free keycaps, gets ****talked. GG
It is absolutely no different to Amazon running 3rd party sellers who are Cash Converters in disguise, selling pawned products (yes the Samsung Laptop I bought late last year was just that, pretending to be some nice lady selling her unwanted laptop).
Or how about the multitude of Ebay sellers that rip people off.
All I am asking for is non censorship, and what do you mean people don't have the time to hunt for hints and comments in forums?
that's the whole reason for checking out reviews.
Again, I not defending anyone, but let's just flip this around and ask if it is in fact other sellers using admin access to restrict anything that doesn't mention their own wares for sale.
If a company really is that bad, then the reviews will speak for themselves.
Cheers
Bo
p.s. when you say bitten, did you lose your money, or were they just unable to fulfill an order?
Pics for those interested:
(http://i.imgur.com/ngpRzAd.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ngpRzAd)
You know, they actually look a bit thicker. How do they feel?
By the way, beautiful metal keycaps. How do they feel to type on?
Nice! But I'm worried they wouldn't feel so good on blues bc it would absorb a lot of the tactility... I would think they would ideally feel best on linear switches. How's it feel on blues??
I actually am debating with myself if I like them more than regular key caps. The tactility is somewhat dampened because of the weight of the key, but the added weight feels good and makes the typing a bit more effortless. The sound is also quite interesting and fun; gone is the higher pitched click, and it is replaced with a more muffled click, followed by the thud of the zinc cap hitting the Das' metal plate.
Normal sound of the default Das keys: Listen (http://divito.ca/geekhack/normalkey.wma) (probably easier to right click and save as)
Me typing on the zinc keys: Listen (http://divito.ca/geekhack/zinc2.wma) (probably easier to right click and save as)
You can hear the space bar during the zinc typing as a bit of a reference for immediate comparison between the sounds.
Either way though, these are super fun to type on.
I am curious about this... what is the risk to the user if we use PayPal or a credit card?
Credit card is relatively easy to charge back, but I have no idea what the process is like for purchases made abroad, especially China.
Does PayPal refund still only work if the user has funds in their PayPal account?
Other than mkawa's word, which I have no reason to disbelieve, where is the evidence that banggood used to be tmart?
I just want to pick up some cheap POM caps :))
Aliwia, am I mistaken or did you get a Keycool with clears from banggood. I think I have seen this on here or Reddit.
Has it arrived yet? If so, what are the stabilisers on it, I heard something about the new Keycools using normal spacebar spacing and costar stabilisers??
Banggood is a legitimate website.
Banggood is a legitimate website.
Not according to mkawa who apparently knows all about how a chinese wholesale website works.
Banggood is a legitimate website.
Not according to mkawa who apparently knows all about how a chinese wholesale website works.
Not quite sure why your so upset by this? You a banggood employee?
Banggood is a legitimate website.
Not according to mkawa who apparently knows all about how a chinese wholesale website works.
Not quite sure why your so upset by this? You a banggood employee?
I was joking about being an employee, I just don't really know why you want evidence. Its not like Mkawa gains anything from warning us, infact he probably loses something from not taking a "bribe" ?
I'm gonna try ordering something to test how legit they are
I'm gonna try ordering something to test how legit they are
I did get what I ordered from them. But I have seen others have the rug pulled out from under them.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48870.msg1087864#msg1087864
Finally got mine today! I ordered them on 10/1, they were shipped on 10/4, and they got here no later than 10/24. I say no later than because they may have arrived sooner--I'm not sure how quickly my campus post office processed them.
I got a set of 104 of the dark gray PBT caps. They're medium thickness, lying somewhere in between thin and thick PBT. They make a nice clack on my Filco. I'm also loving the dark gray-on-black color combination. I'm not crazy over white-on-black and black PBT is hard to come by, so dark gray seemed like a good choice to me and I'm glad I chose it. I obviously don't know yet how well these caps are going to hold up, but they're definitely PBT. I can feel the legends printed on top, but I'm hoping it won't ever fade. Also, I'm happy that there's no text on the front of the spacebar; I speculated based on a similar keycap set that it would say KEYCOOL, but fortunately I was wrong. As some people have said, these keycaps fit very snugly on my switches. Hopefully I won't have any issues taking them off as long as I do it slowly and carefully.
tl;dr: Got the dark gray keycaps, sure it's not premium thick PBT, but definitely worth the price. No complaints yet.
well I just ordered another keyboard (christmas present) and some bits n bats, lets see how it goes eh?
I can't turn down prices like that.
*** Edit ***
The keyboard arrived today, just 6 days after ordering, well I never......
Hey Linkbane, the keyboard may have been quick, but I am still waiting on the rest of the stuff ordered
wrist rests, key pullers, some networking bits, all have apparently been dispatched.
I think the way to look at it is, you get what you pay for, and free shipping taking extra time isn't all bad, and I must admit I never tried any other shipping options.
Very irritated at USPS; it came in today, but because nobody was home, instead of putting it in the damned mailbox they decided to take it back so we could pick it up tomorrow.
This is probably why we have twenty minute lines at the post office, because the delivery person can't get their brain to work longer than the job requires.
I got a set of the grey laser etched. I have not used them yet. You can feel the lettering on the top of the key cap. I think they may break in alright with some use. The spacebar is not great, it clacks...
I will probably stick to buying blank caps from them or at least not top printed. Where I think you can get a bit of value is their RGBY kit. http://www.banggood.com/Keycool-PBT-Multicolor-Top-Or-Side-Or-Blank-Laser-Engraving-Keycap-p-84137.html
Its $8 with free shipping and you can get them in top printed, front printed or blank. They are medium thickness pbt which is alright.
Also, the spacebar clacked pretty bad in comparison with my imsto spacebar.
I got a set of the grey laser etched. I have not used them yet. You can feel the lettering on the top of the key cap. I think they may break in alright with some use. The spacebar is not great, it clacks...
I will probably stick to buying blank caps from them or at least not top printed. Where I think you can get a bit of value is their RGBY kit. http://www.banggood.com/Keycool-PBT-Multicolor-Top-Or-Side-Or-Blank-Laser-Engraving-Keycap-p-84137.html
Its $8 with free shipping and you can get them in top printed, front printed or blank. They are medium thickness pbt which is alright.
Also, the spacebar clacked pretty bad in comparison with my imsto spacebar.
Sorry I'm pretty new, but what quality of the spacebar makes it clacks compared to your imsto set?
Does the original QFR / Filco spacebar clack?
Besides the spacebar issue and height, what else you don't like about the keycaps?
I just received an email from them saying this exact keycap that you reviewed is out of stock. They asked if I want a refund for wait. Not sure how long I have to wait, it's already almost 2 weeks since I ordered though
Very irritated at USPS; it came in today, but because nobody was home, instead of putting it in the damned mailbox they decided to take it back so we could pick it up tomorrow.
This is probably why we have twenty minute lines at the post office, because the delivery person can't get their brain to work longer than the job requires.
Was it a registered package? That you have to sign for?? If so then they were doing their job!
I got mine in 11 business days and I live in Texas. Shipped on a Friday, came in on a Monday.
I got mine in 11 business days and I live in Texas. Shipped on a Friday, came in on a Monday.
I'm possessed by the same concern. A little over three weeks since they supposedly shipped. Over a month
since the order was placed. I don't think there's any tracking info, given the shipping cost (free), so i sit and
wait. Maybe today. Maybe next week.
I got mine in 11 business days and I live in Texas. Shipped on a Friday, came in on a Monday.
I'm possessed by the same concern. A little over three weeks since they supposedly shipped. Over a month
since the order was placed. I don't think there's any tracking info, given the shipping cost (free), so i sit and
wait. Maybe today. Maybe next week.
=/ I ordered the tracked shipping, which cost $1.70. Honestly I didn't mind because I'd go insane without tracking.
Hmm, I see. It would be helpful if you could update us when the stuff comes in so we can have an idea of the shipping; I haven't actually heard of anyone taking longer than the stated methods, so hopefully your items will come in on time.
As for me, I need to make a correction, they processed and shipped on the 11th, two days after, so assuming that it'll be in today (it's in town), it will have been eleven business days shipping. Luckily my order was only a single item.
I just received an email from them saying this exact keycap that you reviewed is out of stock. They asked if I want a refund for wait. Not sure how long I have to wait, it's already almost 2 weeks since I ordered though
quick update, a parcel attempt was made yesterday, I will go to the post office and pick it up on Saturday, since I am not expecting anything else I reckon it's the banggood package, so ordered 18th Oct, arrived 5th Nov.
Now just waiting for my Keycool ML-87II Purple Backlit with MX browns :), ordered Monday, shipped Tuesday (05Nov)
I am not sure about the limits, but I thought you could spend £150 without incurring anything but I may be wrong, in which case, only the more expensive items would fall into the pay VAT category.
In all my years ordering online, the only thing to come with a VAT charge was Kai's Power Goo bought from the US because it was less than half the UK price at the time, we are talking late 90's.
I am not sure about the limits, but I thought you could spend £150 without incurring anything but I may be wrong, in which case, only the more expensive items would fall into the pay VAT category.
In all my years ordering online, the only thing to come with a VAT charge was Kai's Power Goo bought from the US because it was less than half the UK price at the time, we are talking late 90's.
Tried looking up hmrc and royal mail websites and got a massive headache.
https://www.gov.uk/importing-and-exporting-by-post
Technically one has to pay VAT on imports of value higher than 15, but no duty on orders under 135. I haven't had to deal with this except that one time I was fleeced 8 quid by parcel force as a 'handling fee'. Reading some blog posts this seems to be most 'enforced' with orders coming from the US.
As for the keycool numpad, 4x RGBY, blank POM and blank PBT keycaps, they arrived yesterday at my mailing address. I'll go pick them up this weekend or next and I'll report back.
I really like those jelly POMs, but I heard the white PBT sets were really thin and not worth the purchase.
If anyone knows a place where I can get a bunch of stabilizer inserts please let me know.