Justin Beiber, Miley Cyrus, and pretty much all other idiot druggie pop stars.
Creed. Also this:Justin Beiber, Miley Cyrus, and pretty much all other idiot druggie pop stars.
Anything that is currently mainstream
Miley Cyrus.
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I love that shot of Will Smith and his family watching Miley Cyrus twerk -- why is this not a meme yet? Can the people who make the memes get on this, please?
But I am at the age where every change is proof of cultural decay, so nevermind. I opted-out of the culture a long time ago.
I can't stand k-pop.I hate all the kpop i've heard, bar 3 songs.
There, I said it.
Feels good to get it out there.
Wow everyone in this thread is so original :rolleyes:
guetta
anything ukf
afrojack (etc. etc.)
lil wayne and his crew of ****ty 'rappers' nicki minaj etc.
Anything that is currently mainstreamShow Image(http://brodaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/pull-bear-man-collection-hipster-premium-autumn-winter-invierno-2012-fashion-trends-modaddiction-91.jpg)
Miley Cyrus.
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I love that shot of Will Smith and his family watching Miley Cyrus twerk -- why is this not a meme yet? Can the people who make the memes get on this, please?
But I am at the age where every change is proof of cultural decay, so nevermind. I opted-out of the culture a long time ago.
cause it didn't happen during Miley Cyrus' performance
It was while Lady Gaga was performing, and they were chewing gum
http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/949862/what-is-the-smith-family-really-reacting-to-at-the-vmas.jhtml#id=1713036
Miley Cyrus.
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I love that shot of Will Smith and his family watching Miley Cyrus twerk -- why is this not a meme yet? Can the people who make the memes get on this, please?
But I am at the age where every change is proof of cultural decay, so nevermind. I opted-out of the culture a long time ago.
That's hilarious. Was that their actual reactions to that stunt?
Everything I don't like is the worst
Everything I don't like is the worst
People with bad taste in music are the ones who simply don't know any better, in terms of music, out there.
drake
Oh and just because someone sells a bunch of records doesn't mean that it's any good. Most people have really crap taste in music. Sure Nickelback have a few good songs, but do they deserve the truck loads of cash they have? No. There are much better bands writing better songs.
In retrospect, a band like The Aristocrats must surely suck, since they barely sell any records, even though the band has 3 of the best musicians currently alive (Guthrie Govan, Marco Minneman, Bryan Beller)
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
You're not wrong here, but you're missing the point. The axes of musicianship, composition, etc. do not and should not directly translate to the axes of popularity and profitability.
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
You're not wrong here, but you're missing the point. The axes of musicianship, composition, etc. do not and should not directly translate to the axes of popularity and profitability.
I think it's absolutely true that there are a ton of people who rely on radio stations and music charts to spoon feed them their music week after week rather than putting in the leg work to both find and understand what's really out there. They sell tons of albums because they follow the "let's make the same hit again and again" formula rather than exploring different song structures, keys, time signatures etc. Popular, mainstream music used to mean so much more than it does now. There are still artists out there who create amazing heartfelt and meaningful music. It's just too bad that less and less people really care. Personally don't see how anyone can argue that but all the power to you.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
You're not wrong here, but you're missing the point. The axes of musicianship, composition, etc. do not and should not directly translate to the axes of popularity and profitability.
That's unfortunate. It's the reason why no talent ass clowns like Kanye West are loaded and extremely accomplished jazz musicians like Guthrie Govan are pretty much starving in comparison.
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?
The one who created WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY! REDING DINGDINGDINGDING.
That hurts my ears, why would they allow that on the radio?
I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.
if you like pop music you are literally hitler
Its perfectly OK to like pop music. I just personally believe that it's sad most people just don't care about music the way they used to. There are people like yourself who are exceptions of course but lets not try to pretend that the driving force behind popular music today isn't the radio/charts holding the spoons and the millions of people waiting with mouths open.I guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.
yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
I hardly consider Nicki Minaj music, hate that troll more than BieberI guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.
yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
I hardly consider Nicki Minaj music, hate that troll more than BieberI guess you could say popular music today is like rubber dome keyboards. Cheap quality wise and they wont stand the test of time, but the majority of people buy them and will continue to buy them because that's all they know and don't bother looking around for anything else.
yeah or we just like pop music. and some of us like music in 13/8 as well as nicki minaj man.
if you like pop music you are literally hitler
if you like pop music you are literally hitler
I enjoy the works of Ke$ha and Jay Z
Auto-tune works wonders doesn't it?if you like pop music you are literally hitler
I enjoy the works of Ke$ha
too far
too far
Yeah, Katy Perry is more plausible. Even Hitler couldn't enjoy Ke$ha.
if you like pop music you are literally hitler
Auto-tune works wonders doesn't it?if you like pop music you are literally hitler
I enjoy the works of Ke$ha
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.
Absolutely! I agree with you. Performance is a definitive part of musicianship as well as skill, knowledge and artistic sensitivity. And of course you are entitled to your own opinion and I'm not putting you down for it (at least that's not my intention). In case I wasn't clear, artistic sensitivity IS opinion. I'm just arguing that one cannot say "No. It's opinion. Period" to define musicianship because that is simply not true and I will defend that to my grave.So let me just try and get this straight in my head here. You're saying that by your logic, the Piano piece "chopsticks" can be considered better musicianship than say Beethoven's piano sonatas based solely on opinion? Because last time I checked, musicianship is based on knowledge, skill and artistic sensitivity. Unless of course the actual definition changed at some point in history.
Actually, you're mixing up things a bit. Musicianship can not be applied to a piece of music...only to a given musician's performance of that piece of music.
A given sonata may be more technically complex than "chopsticks"...but neither can be considered "better musicianship" based solely on the notes on a piece of paper.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.
Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.
That's not the point at all. Music is what I do for a living, so I take offense when someone says "this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences" - it's just making bull**** assumptions of people you don't even know.Thank you! Brace yourselves because this will most likely be too long for any of you to want to read but I'm doing it anyway. I've studied music theory, music history, production, sound engineering, acoustic engineering, psychoacoustics, music business, music contracts etc etc the list goes on and on and all under the guidance of true industry professionals whose resumes would make some people weak at the knees. I hate to sound as if I'm bragging (and maybe I am) but my passion for music far exceeds any other facet of my life. I know exactly how music is made now and exactly how it was made when a group of musicians got in a room and cut a record in an afternoon live off the floor on tape. Back when edits involved a razor blade, tape and a whole lot of time instead of a mouse click, keyboard commands and countless digital plugins that correct voices, pitch, tuning and timing so trust me when I tell you that a TON (not all) of popular music you hear today on the charts has VERY little to do with the artists performance and musicianship which by the way most definitely stems from knowledge and skill including notation and theory for some, as well as performance. Pfeww.....breathe YoungMichael.... Now, I certainly don't know any of your backgrounds in music aside from some of you being guitarists and drummers etc. and I'm happy to share those interests with you! I can see that you all like what you like and are firm in your beliefs. I respect you all and truly hope that outside of this thread we can all remain civilized. This is a forum after all where we are encouraged to discuss our thoughts and points of view which is precisely what I'm doing here. This isn't the first time jimmies were rustled on geekhack and it certainly won't be the last.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.
Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.
Meh, some music is just superior to other music in terms of musicianship, composition, arrangement, mix, etc. That is pretty much fact.
No, it's opinion. Period. If something easier and simpler sounds better to a particular listener, then it can be argued that the musicianship is better.
this is what happens when people who live their lives by quantitative standards try to defend their qualitative preferences. everybody else is wrong.
Yeah you keep thinking that kid. At least his opinion is one that I will respect because he's a musician himself and at least understands what I mean. You're talking to someone who's spent the last 16 years studying jazz, classical and rock music by the way.
that's really cool man! i love jazz. i don't know nearly enough about classical music but i have immense respect for those who do and it is an extremely interesting genre of music to me from a theory standpoint, both compositionally and sonically.
and for the record, i've been playing music for about fourteen years -- almost as long as you; though if i were to tell you the genres that i generally focus on you would probably have something negative to say about it. you might also have something negative to say about the fact that i am almost entirely self-taught, which i take great pride in, or that i place very little importance (personally speaking of course) on capitalizing upon music and art -- that is to say, i work a job to afford myself the opportunity to play and learn about music in nearly all of my spare time. the fact that you might has little to no bearing on my life, and i take no offense by it. i gain more from music than anything else in my life, and i consider it the single most important aspect of my being and my ability to express myself and ideas that i have. it's very personal for me and i am very familiar with what constitutes the music industry. outside of the enjoyment i get from pop music i have very little patience for those who concern themselves with the music industry at large; outside of fleeting and unnecessary enjoyment i get from pop songs, i consider that industry to be caustic and largely at odds with my own (i guess you could say) moral views on creating and sharing art.
i don't really owe you that information but i feel like you're being a ****ing turd, so, you know, whatever. i hope you get as much satisfaction or more from music as i do, and hopefully more than whatever you gain by winning an internet argument against me on a keyboard enthusiast forum. i know i am abrasive on this forum, because it's fun to troll people, and i feel pretty strongly about a lot of things, but this subject goes far beyond pretty much any of that in terms of what i consider important in my own life.
Absolutely! I agree with you. Performance is a definitive part of musicianship as well as skill, knowledge and artistic sensitivity. And of course you are entitled to your own opinion and I'm not putting you down for it (at least that's not my intention). In case I wasn't clear, artistic sensitivity IS opinion. I'm just arguing that one cannot say "No. It's opinion. Period" to define musicianship because that is simply not true and I will defend that to my grave.
I feel like things are smoothing out a bit in here now. This is good. I got a little heated there for a while but hey, sometimes you feel so strongly about something that you must defend your views. My dream was to work in the music industry. I went out and learned all about it and paid a lot of money (a LOT of money) to have the opportunity to learn from the people who taught me and to use the equipment I used. I found out the hard way that it was not a wise career path for me. And trust me, that broke my heart. The state of the music industry today quite honestly made me sick and today's popular music serves as a constant reminder of why I decided to get out. Well it's one of the reasons. It's nearly impossible to sustain yourself on little to no pay and extremely long hours while being able to afford a place in a densely populated area where the business thrives. It is extremely competitive and if you get lucky, you just may move up a rung or two assuming of course you have the financial support to get there. If you are one of those people who made it, my level of respect for you is astronomically high. I went in swinging and I came out defeated. The silver lining is the knowledge I gained and the experiences and memories I now have. You can't put a price tag on that. I'm a better musician and human being for it.
There ARE no absolutes in music.