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Title: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 03:49:11: Hey guys,

I think I have ruined my Filco, I was eating pizza and had decided to poor some hot sauce on it however I accidentally spilt some hot sauce on the right hand side of the keyboard, now when I try pressing some of the number keys, it acts is if i'm pressing more than one key!, for example, I press "1" and it registers as "12", I press 4 is registers as 45, did the sauce mess up the circuit or something? Maybe I should just wait until it's dry.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 03:50:36: I would take it apart immediately to see whether you can remove the sauce before it dried fully.

If you leave it then it will not go back to working properly.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sun, 06 October 2013, 03:51:47: You should open the keyboard and clean the sauce.
I think the sauce caused your controller or the signal malfunction.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 October 2013, 03:56:14: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 03:49:11
Hey guys,

I think I have ruined my Filco, I was eating pizza and had decided to poor some hot sauce on it however I accidentally spilt some hot sauce on the right hand side of the keyboard, now when I try pressing some of the number keys, it acts is if i'm pressing more than one key!, for example, I press "1" and it registers as "12", I press 4 is registers as 45, did the sauce mess up the circuit or something? Maybe I should just wait until it's dry.

If multiple switches do not activate simultaneously then maybe the sauce is shorting out the PCB underneath.

Was it a thick sauce?

Sticky?

You might have to disassemble the keyboard, thoroughly clean it, maybe even replace a few switches to be sure.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 04:26:16: Just an update...I have tried disassembling the keyboard however I could not find any hot sauce on the motherboard thing, I can only assume the damage is now permanent, loved that thing..ah well.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:17:51: Last ditch effort: I submerged the keyboard in water, taken it out, I am now going to wait a couple of days before I plug it in and try again, i'll keep you guys posted.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: snoopy on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:19:56: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:17:51
Last ditch effort: I submerged the keyboard in water, taken it out, I am now going to wait a couple of days before I plug it in and try again, i'll keep you guys posted.

thats a joke?
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:54:44: no why?
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:55:34: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:17:51
Last ditch effort: I submerged the keyboard in water, taken it out, I am now going to wait a couple of days before I plug it in and try again, i'll keep you guys posted.

How long have you had the keyboard? If it's under a year, RMA the beggar as soon as possible.

If not, I'm sure you can post it for sale here in the Classifieds, because Filco's are always wanted by some who can't afford the original price tag.

Don't forget to mention they get some free Sauce Topping to Go....... ;) .
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:58:57: Who would want to buy a fault keyboard haha!
I still have my HHKB2 to use so all is well.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:11:04: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:58:57
Who would want to buy a fault keyboard haha!
I still have my HHKB2 to use so all is well.

People what want the switches and the caps. Chances are even though you dunked it the switches are still good. Unless they have corroded from the quick swim.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:28:36: Quote from: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:11:04
Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:58:57
Who would want to buy a fault keyboard haha!
I still have my HHKB2 to use so all is well.

People what want the switches and the caps. Chances are even though you dunked it the switches are still good. Unless they have corroded from the quick swim.

Wait, have I done something bad by dunking it in water? I thought that as long as it's not powered until the water evapourates no harm will be made?
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:30:44: You should ONLY use distilled water, I hope that you didn't use tap water!
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:34:45: Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:30:44
You should ONLY use distilled water, I hope that you didn't use tap water!

This. Because tap water has a lot of minerals in it that can and will conduct electricity, as well as leave deposits on everything. When I was in the Navy I was riding my bike home (pedal power) and it started raining. Now those of you from northern FL or southern GA will know how hard and heavy those rains can be. Well long story short when I got home I shut off my mp3 player (sony) and dumped the water out through the battery compartment. It did still work after that for about 2 or 3 weeks then the terminals at the battery leads corroded to the point that it was not salvageable.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:34:53: Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:30:44
You should ONLY use distilled water, I hope that you didn't use tap water!

Ripster's guide said that it is ok though, damn it I just messed up my keyboard even more.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:36:49: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:34:53
Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:30:44
You should ONLY use distilled water, I hope that you didn't use tap water!

Ripster's guide said that it is ok though, damn it I just messed up my keyboard even more.

you might get lucky. If you have it apart (if not take it apart) and give it a good generous spraying with a good strong rubbing alcohol. It should wash any deposits off the board and it dries with no film or residue. Use the highest percentage you can get and do NOT go stingy with it.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:38:34: Quote from: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:36:49
Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:34:53
Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:30:44
You should ONLY use distilled water, I hope that you didn't use tap water!

Ripster's guide said that it is ok though, damn it I just messed up my keyboard even more.

you might get lucky. If you have it apart (if not take it apart) and give it a good generous spraying with a good strong rubbing alcohol. It should wash any deposits off the board and it dries with no film or residue. Use the highest percentage you can get and do NOT go stingy with it.

Where abouts should I add it?Or on top of the keys or like on the bottom motherboard looking thing (Where you can see the ends of all the solders).
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:40:58: Around any and all of the solder pads. This will require the PCB to be removed from the case. If i can get into a Das Keyboard without breaking any of the tabs anyone can get into a filco
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:43:22: Quote from: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:40:58
Around any and all of the solder pads. This will require the PCB to be removed from the case. If i can get into a Das Keyboard without breaking any of the tabs anyone can get into a filco

Sorry to double post but need to add something on this. You are looking to actually flush any deposits off the board not just get the thing wet. So if you can do this over a large clean mixing bowl you should be able to use the same alcohol a couple times if need be. If the board is hosed the you can still sell it for people that want to harvest the switches and caps
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:43:29: I'll give it a shot, thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:44:52: Also take a close look at the controller pins, are any of them shorted together?
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:46:28: Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:44:52
Also take a close look at the controller pins, are any of them shorted together?

I concur on this as well
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:49:08: Quote from: Melvang on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:46:28
Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:44:52
Also take a close look at the controller pins, are any of them shorted together?

I concur on this as well

I apologise for my stupidity, but the controller pins, are they found on the bottom of the board? I also thought that the problem was with something being connected together, perhaps with the hot sauce. Because the real problem is that when I press a key, it registers that key AND another one. I'll start opening it now.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:53:13: It is located above the arrow keys, take the top case off to see it:

(http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt78/archsquad94/IMG_1127_zps3641c42f.jpg)
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:00:13: Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:53:13
It is located above the arrow keys, take the top case off to see it:

Show Image
(http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt78/archsquad94/IMG_1127_zps3641c42f.jpg)

hmm, I've taken the top off, but I cannot see the controller pins
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:01:49: You can see the controller though?
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:04:18: I have found something similar in the top right hand corner of the filco though, it looks exactly the same as your pic.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:05:39: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:04:18
I have found something similar in the top right hand corner of the filco though, it looks exactly the same as your pic.
No I cannot see it in the place you have shown me. One sec I'll take a pic ^^
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:14:25: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:04:18
I have found something similar in the top right hand corner of the filco though, it looks exactly the same as your pic.

I've uploaded the images on imgur:
http://imgur.com/a/aVmJk
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:17:27: Ahhh sorry I thought that you had the TKL version.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:23:48: Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 07:17:27
Ahhh sorry I thought that you had the TKL version.

It's ok, I'll come back to it later now, I really should be preparing for my admission test lol.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: BliTzKiN on Sun, 06 October 2013, 08:30:35: Quote from: longweight on Sun, 06 October 2013, 06:53:13
It is located above the arrow keys, take the top case off to see it:

Show Image
(http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt78/archsquad94/IMG_1127_zps3641c42f.jpg)

Hey! That picture was from the build log of my Ergoclear Filco :) I thought it looked familiar. Anyway, like what they said, submerging in water should probably be your last resort since there's a high chance of frying something. You could try putting the PCB together with some rice since they absorb moisture pretty well, might be a chance that it still works.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 06 October 2013, 09:49:10: Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:58:57
Who would want to buy a fault keyboard haha!
I still have my HHKB2 to use so all is well.

I would want to repair the keyboard. The good part about broken mechs is that they are often easy to fix.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 10:27:47: Quote from: dorkvader on Sun, 06 October 2013, 09:49:10
Quote from: mrelectric on Sun, 06 October 2013, 05:58:57
Who would want to buy a fault keyboard haha!
I still have my HHKB2 to use so all is well.

I would want to repair the keyboard. The good part about broken mechs is that they are often easy to fix.

Any tips on what to do with mine? :P
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 October 2013, 16:09:45: There's a lot of gunk on that keyboard. What are the big brown bits? The sauce??
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: mrelectric on Sat, 12 October 2013, 17:14:41: Ok guys, here's the update.

IT'S WORKING, I don't know why or how but after dunking it in water and waiting for like a week it has started working normal again, there are a couple of 'sticky' keys but apart from that all is well.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 12 October 2013, 17:16:01: Now you just need to dip it in Sprite to even out the stickiness.
Title: Re: What...have I done?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 12 October 2013, 18:32:11: Good news!

Now don't eat near your keyboard again :p

And don't dip in Sprite!