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Title: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: sprit on Sun, 06 October 2013, 19:51:00
 
Apple Ext. Mods -  Post Yours !       

 
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Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's
Post by: Sniping on Sun, 06 October 2013, 20:00:41
Wow, that's very nice. Thinking of adding those colored keycaps to the new board?
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Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 October 2013, 20:18:50
Interesting.

And these still function as Apple keyboards?

Have they USB connection?
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Post by: sprit on Sun, 06 October 2013, 20:34:11
Hello!   Yes, USB mod.  :)
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Post by: Michael on Sun, 06 October 2013, 20:47:04
Can you condense your plethora of posts in here to one place?....
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Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 October 2013, 21:42:31
beautiful! love the colors! on the AEK2!
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Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 October 2013, 21:42:39
is that RIT dye?
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Post by: Steven on Sun, 06 October 2013, 22:24:40
Those Apple keyboards in the first 3 pics, I have nv seen them before. I like the third one most, what is that keyboard called?
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Post by: sprit on Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:11:16
is that RIT dye?

Hello~  dylon dye. 
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's
Post by: sprit on Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:12:14
Wow, that's very nice. Thinking of adding those colored keycaps to the new board?
Sure, I'd love to
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:13:51
Can you condense your plethora of posts in here to one place?....
Hello!! Nice to Meet You~  Sorry for That.  Newbie's fault
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:14:46
Hello!! Nice to Meet You~  Sorry for That.  Newbie's fault

Everyone is a newbie at one point  :)) :)) :cool:
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Mon, 07 October 2013, 01:16:30
Those Apple keyboards in the first 3 pics, I have nv seen them before. I like the third one most, what is that keyboard called?
Cut and mod the apple PCB and Case.  Put some LED's backside.
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Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 07 October 2013, 06:49:22
That's beautiful! I like the dyed number keys for showing the function key groups.

BTW, that is the AEKII, not the AEK, right? If it was the AEK, then the rainbow Apple logo would still be on the left side of the keyboard.
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Mon, 07 October 2013, 07:03:44
That's beautiful! I like the dyed number keys for showing the function key groups.

BTW, that is the AEKII, not the AEK, right? If it was the AEK, then the rainbow Apple logo would still be on the left side of the keyboard.
Allo !  Gut to see You!  Yes Right!   It is II,  a little bit  modified to Alps White Click  SW.
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: lewi on Mon, 07 October 2013, 07:54:54
와우 이츠 리알리 뷰리뽀으
하어빳 마 잉글리시 마 푸렌?
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: Grimey on Mon, 07 October 2013, 11:21:41
I would very much appreciate some photographs of the modified PCBs if possible, thanks.
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 07 October 2013, 11:46:11
I would very much appreciate some photographs of the modified PCBs if possible, thanks.

I would like this as well. I have an AEK just itching to be transformed into one of these beauties.
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Mon, 07 October 2013, 21:41:25
updated some  Apple Ext photos.
I will post PCB wiring and case rebuilding soon.  Thanks a lot !!

Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: mashby on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:42:35
What 60% keyboard are you using to get that layout?
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Tue, 08 October 2013, 10:48:01
Hello !   Apple Ext II  PCB  cut as  Apple Mini - 39.jpg   and wired to a USB controller.

Working on now, I'll post quite soon ! 

Here is a little bit different example, wired to an internal USB controller,  saving ADB ports,  ADB-USB terminated cable, LED lighting.
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: mashby on Tue, 08 October 2013, 12:22:05
So this keyboard (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49407.0;attach=37991;image) is a cut down Apple PCB?
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Tue, 08 October 2013, 12:29:25
So this keyboard (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49407.0;attach=37991;image) is a cut down Apple PCB?
Yes Right!   Cut down the Apple PCB, put it into a Poker case.  = Both are the standard layout.
As you know, keycaps  for the Apple Ext 1 and 2 are identical. Here are another working PCB's. 

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Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's - Is It Worth ?
Post by: mashby on Wed, 09 October 2013, 07:39:04
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/10d285527a66c9de77725f919a4f5705/tumblr_mfzlb9ZvGP1ry9j9eo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's - Is It Worth ?
Post by: sprit on Thu, 10 October 2013, 01:04:15
Working on more simple wiring, and trying another USB controller. Now post a rough wiring concept. 
Can I post the detail later?   I need some more. 

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A Rough Wiring Schema.     
     
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mods - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: sprit on Fri, 11 October 2013, 08:04:37
         Another Apple to bite !    internal USB Controller. LED mod control.

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Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mods - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: mashby on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:06:11
How do you mount the PCB into the case?
Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mods - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: sprit on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:25:49
Hello!  How are You?  :)  Need a little drilling .    A whole New PCB is being prepared as I replied up there.
Title: Born in 87 and 07
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Title: Re: Apple Ext. Mod's ~
Post by: sprit on Sat, 12 October 2013, 14:14:31
와우 이츠 리알리 뷰리뽀으       = Wow she's really Beautiful
하어빳 마 잉글리시 마 푸렌?         = How about ma English, ma Friend?  Kangnam style~


I love You my bro,  Lewi   :-*       You are The Maximus Ultimus Lingusticus!    :thumb:
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: sprit on Mon, 14 October 2013, 23:46:57
   Another Mod  by 다리  Dari,  a korean keyboard lover.   Dell, Omnikey with LZ usb controller.
      bottom is Apple standard 0116.   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_(Standard)_Keyboard_M0116.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_(Standard)_Keyboard_M0116.jpg)
                                                                                                  http://www1.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/7500491 (http://www1.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/7500491)
   

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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: mashby on Tue, 15 October 2013, 11:08:09
Looking good!
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 15 October 2013, 18:58:55
Oh.. you cut away a part of the main PCB to make the controller fit!
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is It Worth At All?
Post by: sprit on Wed, 16 October 2013, 20:13:04
LED mod by Dari 다리,  a committed  ALPS Lover.
                                                                                      http://www1.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/7510321 (http://www1.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/7510321)


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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All?
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 19 October 2013, 22:06:25
I am not really a fan of multicoloured keys or of backlighting... but the multicoloured numerical keys gave me an idea:
If you have a compact keyboard, you could make the number keys light up with red, green and blue LEDs when you press the Fn key.
Not easy if you have other backlighting also, because while White/Red 3mm bicolor LEDs seem to be available, White/Blue and White/Green are not.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All?
Post by: sprit on Sun, 20 October 2013, 05:17:24
I am not really a fan of multicoloured keys or of backlighting... but the multicoloured numerical keys gave me an idea:
If you have a compact keyboard, you could make the number keys light up with red, green and blue LEDs when you press the Fn key.
Not easy if you have other backlighting also, because while White/Red 3mm bicolor LEDs seem to be available, White/Blue and White/Green are not.

tack så mycket (http://en.bab.la/dictionary/swedish-english/tack-s%C3%A5-mycket) !!   I will try it definitely !    :)
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: BakaPhoenix on Sat, 26 October 2013, 09:28:33
Wow nice work, i really like it  :thumb:
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: sprit on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:20:20
Apple Extended  Back View!     Am I  pretty?   

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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: sprit on Fri, 01 May 2015, 02:14:17
Alps custom springs IC is ON  :   https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=71357.0) 

A Groupbuy for the Simplified Alps switches may open in June after enough discussion and mind sharing.

ALPS  Custom Springs  IC  >    http://goo.gl/forms/tSoTFlM3hB (http://goo.gl/forms/tSoTFlM3hB)      

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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Yoe on Fri, 01 May 2015, 05:09:35
Just finished my AEKII - Orange mod - yesterday. Replaced the dampened white Alps with orange alps. Replaced the green leds with orange ones with a bit more oomph. Finally dyed keycaps in those lovely orange/yellow colors from my previous board. Ta-daa! :)

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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard II - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Hzza on Fri, 01 May 2015, 05:25:49
Great mods guys.

I've had an idea for an Apple Adjustable mod I've been kicking around for a while, it'll probably be a good while before I get a chance to do anything with it though.

I'll keep popping back in here for inspiration :D.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: wakko on Wed, 06 May 2015, 19:02:30
For Apple mini, when you cut the pcb, what did you do about broken connections? Pics? Thanks.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Paranoid on Sat, 16 May 2015, 14:55:59
Anyone have a good guide for dying with Dylon? Or is it pretty similar as RIT dye?
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Hzza on Sat, 16 May 2015, 15:03:53
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/how-to-dye-your-keycaps-a-visual-guide-t10672.html

Seems like a pretty good one, not tried it myself though so couldn't really say...
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Yoe on Sun, 17 May 2015, 01:43:03
Anyone have a good guide for dying with Dylon? Or is it pretty similar as RIT dye?

I've used these threads for reference:
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/dyeing-pbt-caps-with-dylon-some-experiments-t2059.html (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/dyeing-pbt-caps-with-dylon-some-experiments-t2059.html)
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/dylon-dyeing-of-pbt-caps-more-experiments-t5433.html (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/dylon-dyeing-of-pbt-caps-more-experiments-t5433.html)

My own experiences:
At first I was very careful with temperatures and used a thermometer, but I later found that keeping the dye boiling or near boiling makes the dye take well and the caps won't be damaged as long as you keep stirring. I don't use a strainer, just a small pot (disposable.. you don't want to use it for food afterwards) and a spoon. You can use other peoples experiments or your own when it comes to estimated times, but you pretty much want to watch it all the time anyway, and when you see change in color you take out a cap to check every minute or so. Just rinse real quick in cold water, check the color and put it back into the dye bath. When you are pleased with the color, take them all out, rinse in cold water and carefully wipe them. You don't want any splotches of dye left on them. (This seems to be a problem with some colors, especially the faster ones like the emerald green). Then just let them dry properly before use.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Paranoid on Sun, 17 May 2015, 04:16:05
Cool, thanks guys! :) I have some dylon dye colors laying around since two years or so. Saw Kirks first dye post then as well but never got around to it heh. Those newer ones have some good info as well.
And thanks for your own experience Yoe! Sure it will be useful for other people as well.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: njbair on Sun, 17 May 2015, 05:59:37
Is it possible/advisable to use less dye in the water to achieve a lighter color result?
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Yoe on Sun, 17 May 2015, 07:23:28
Cool, thanks guys! :) I have some dylon dye colors laying around since two years or so. Saw Kirks first dye post then as well but never got around to it heh. Those newer ones have some good info as well.
And thanks for your own experience Yoe! Sure it will be useful for other people as well.

No problem! :) Oh, and I forgot two reminders: it has to be the Dylon Multi-Purpose Dye and this only works on PBT caps, not ABS.

Is it possible/advisable to use less dye in the water to achieve a lighter color result?

Yeh! I totally forgot to mention that! I usually put in just half of a 4.5g (or 5g) package in I don't know.. perhaps 5-7 deciliters of water.. enough to cover the caps properly and like.. twice that amount. Maybe 4-5 cm depth of water in a small pan. Works fine. You could probably use even less dye per amount of water than that with good results.

Edit: I didn't read your post properly. For a lighter result, less time in the dye is the easiest way to control the color saturation.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Yoe on Sun, 17 May 2015, 07:48:53
Example: I've used the same dye (02 Golden Glow) for the modifiers on the top and the middle keyboard in the picture below. About 45 minutes for the darker, almost orange, color and about 20 minutes (or 30… don't quite remember) for the mustard yellow. (In the top keyboard I also used the Tangerine dye for enter, backspace and tab keys. Just thought I'd mention that..)

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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: sprit on Sun, 17 May 2015, 08:55:56
Example: I've used the same dye (02 Golden Glow) for the modifiers on the top and the middle keyboard in the picture below. About 45 minutes for the darker, almost orange, color and about 20 minutes (or 30… don't quite remember) for the mustard yellow. (In the top keyboard I also used the Tangerine dye for enter, backspace and tab keys. Just thought I'd mention that..)
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Maestro  Yoeda !     :o :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Yoe on Sun, 17 May 2015, 11:20:53
Example: I've used the same dye (02 Golden Glow) for the modifiers on the top and the middle keyboard in the picture below. About 45 minutes for the darker, almost orange, color and about 20 minutes (or 30… don't quite remember) for the mustard yellow. (In the top keyboard I also used the Tangerine dye for enter, backspace and tab keys. Just thought I'd mention that..)
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Maestro  Yoeda !     :o :thumb: :thumb:

Haha! :D Nah, I'm not a Jedi yet :P But thanks :)
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 29 May 2015, 12:25:41
This is relevant to my interests.
I'd especially love to see more of that AEK-TKL conversion from the first post.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Hzza on Fri, 29 May 2015, 13:52:21
Oh yeah, forgot about this thread. Nothing special just yet (and I guess technically not an AEK mod), but I've finally got around to TMK'ing my AAK, just need to figure out why all the side buttons crash the controller now...once I've got the firmware sorted I'll work on making it pretty again.

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Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 24 November 2015, 01:13:01
I know this thread is old, but I have a question. How does one cut a PCB and turn it into a 60%? I have an old Apple Standard that I'd love to do this to. Any tips for a n00b modder like me?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Yoe on Tue, 24 November 2015, 02:56:59
I know this thread is old, but I have a question. How does one cut a PCB and turn it into a 60%? I have an old Apple Standard that I'd love to do this to. Any tips for a n00b modder like me?

Cheers!

If you want to use the original PCB you can either trace the circuits, take notes and photos, cut the board and repair the traces, or you just use the PCB for stability, cut all traces to the pads and make a new hand wired matrix connected to the pads. The latter lets you make a nkro diode matrix and have easier work in TMK (or other firmware of choice).

The other options are to make a handwired matrix or to make your own PCB. You are most welcome to use my PCB design for 60% Apple Standard Keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76738.0) if you want. Or I could make one for you if you're interested.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: sprit on Sat, 09 July 2016, 19:18:26
I know this thread is old, but I have a question. How does one cut a PCB and turn it into a 60%? I have an old Apple Standard that I'd love to do this to. Any tips for a n00b modder like me?

Cheers!

If you want to use the original PCB you can either trace the circuits, take notes and photos, cut the board and repair the traces, or you just use the PCB for stability, cut all traces to the pads and make a new hand wired matrix connected to the pads. The latter lets you make a nkro diode matrix and have easier work in TMK (or other firmware of choice).

The other options are to make a handwired matrix or to make your own PCB. You are most welcome to use my PCB design for 60% Apple Standard Keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76738.0) if you want. Or I could make one for you if you're interested.
Tacksam Yoe!
Great Job!



Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: mike52787 on Mon, 29 August 2016, 17:46:29
Hey sprit, I am not able to PM you, so I figured I would ask here. I really love the mod you did with the f keyless tkl. Would you be ok with me copying it? I will credit you.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: sprit on Tue, 30 August 2016, 03:56:35
Hey sprit, I am not able to PM you, so I figured I would ask here. I really love the mod you did with the f keyless tkl. Would you be ok with me copying it? I will credit you.

No Problem at all Mike!    I guess Anyone can imagine F Keyless TKL, just I did a bit earlier or so.
Thanks Comrade!   :)    Emailed!
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: nevin on Fri, 01 February 2019, 09:15:23
Example: I've used the same dye (02 Golden Glow) for the modifiers on the top and the middle keyboard in the picture below. About 45 minutes for the darker, almost orange, color and about 20 minutes (or 30… don't quite remember) for the mustard yellow. (In the top keyboard I also used the Tangerine dye for enter, backspace and tab keys. Just thought I'd mention that..)

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i know this is old, but i have to know..... what language/layout variation are these? they're fantastic. i've never seen an return like that, love the small shifts, and the bottom right cluster is great.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 21 February 2019, 04:11:09
Example: I've used the same dye (02 Golden Glow) for the modifiers on the top and the middle keyboard in the picture below. About 45 minutes for the darker, almost orange, color and about 20 minutes (or 30… don't quite remember) for the mustard yellow. (In the top keyboard I also used the Tangerine dye for enter, backspace and tab keys. Just thought I'd mention that..)

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i know this is old, but i have to know..... what language/layout variation are these? they're fantastic. i've never seen an return like that, love the small shifts, and the bottom right cluster is great.

Swedish I believe
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: nevin on Thu, 21 February 2019, 09:15:51
thanks
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 21 February 2019, 11:28:10
i know this is old, but i have to know..... what language/layout variation are these?
Swedish I believe
Yep. A Swedish/Finnish M0118. Europe got the M0118 as their "Apple Standard Keyboard".
I don't know if this was ever available in the US, only that English layout for the UK exists.
The US would have otherwise instead got the M0116 with backwards-L Return key and Ctrl in place of Caps Lock — same layout as the Apple ADB Keyboard for the Apple IIgs.
Title: Re: Apple Extended Keyboard - Mods ? - Is it Worth at All ?
Post by: nevin on Thu, 21 February 2019, 11:40:04
i know this is old, but i have to know..... what language/layout variation are these?
Swedish I believe
Yep. A Swedish/Finnish M0118. Europe got the M0118 as their "Apple Standard Keyboard".
I don't know if this was ever available in the US, only that English layout for the UK exists.
The US would have otherwise instead got the M0116 with backwards-L Return key and Ctrl in place of Caps Lock — same layout as the Apple ADB Keyboard for the Apple IIgs.

yeah, found images of the m0118 after a little digging. i didn't know that one existed! i'd love to get my hands on one, or parts of one at least.