If only it was the end of it all ... pfff you ain't seen nothing yet! Go look for new keycaps for all your boards at least! :p
Nice collection youre gathering there :)
Remember that you also need a standard RF, a silenced RF, a variable silenced RF and a 55g RF.
I literally just got my Filco Minila with browns and love it. Now that I own buckling and cherry; I cannot stop reading and youtubing about Topre and need the HHKB Pro 2 to finish my last keyboarding fronteir.
I feel like a bridge jumper standing on the ledge. I'm literally on elitekeyboards.com and all it takes is hitting submit......
-30 seconds later- I just submitted to the submission of the submit button.
white/gray, non-printed
happy fingers=sad savings account.
I literally just got my Filco Minila with browns and love it. Now that I own buckling and cherry; I cannot stop reading and youtubing about Topre and need the HHKB Pro 2 to finish my last keyboarding fronteir.
I feel like a bridge jumper standing on the ledge. I'm literally on elitekeyboards.com and all it takes is hitting submit......
-30 seconds later- I just submitted to the submission of the submit button.
white/gray, non-printed
happy fingers=sad savings account.
I commend you on your astute purchases! You really did a great job of keyboard collecting with only 3 keyboards. IMO your keyboard collection is virtually complete right now. You have three of the best keyboards available, Unicomp BS, Filco Minila, and HHKB Pro 2 with Blanks. Any keyboards you add now will only be gravy. You have about 80% of the keyboard universe covered. The hard part now will be resisting the desire to fill in that last 20%. But then again, you really do need a silenced HHKB, and a variable Topre RealForce. So maybe you can stop at 5 keyboards. ;)
Good decission to buy that blank white hhkb :thumb: If I wouldn't have already spent so much money on clacks and ibm stuff in the last weeks, I also would have bought that white hhkb in addition to my black one.
Resistance is futile. Where is your Korean custom with aluminum case? What about non stock cherry spring/switch combos like ergo clears and 55g whites? What about the two kinds of alps switches from matias? What about capacitive bucking springs? Have you even seen the ergo dox yet? My advice is to stop now while you still can before it destroys you life. If you don't a year from now you'll be selling yourself for click clacks.
I'm in the same situation as you. I look at my cart everyday for the past 2 weeks with a HHKB white blank in it. I try my best to talk myself out of it, but I always end up going back to it.
I'm in the same situation as you. I look at my cart everyday for the past 2 weeks with a HHKB white blank in it. I try my best to talk myself out of it, but I always end up going back to it.
happy fingers
I'd love to try a thorpe but I just can't leave my Cherry legends behind, they're just so pretty!
happy fingers
Don't be sad if both your fingers and wallet regret this. I got into the Topre hype until the rabid fanboys proved that it's just hype and it's not really much better than a rubber dome in the first place.
happy fingers
Don't be sad if both your fingers and wallet regret this. I got into the Topre hype until the rabid fanboys proved that it's just hype and it's not really much better than a rubber dome in the first place.
happy fingers
Don't be sad if both your fingers and wallet regret this. I got into the Topre hype until the rabid fanboys proved that it's just hype and it's not really much better than a rubber dome in the first place.
hmm....
Strong, in this one, the Geekhack spirit is.
And if you don't like HHKB you can sell it here for pretty much what it cost you, and mark the small difference down to experience.
But do please give yourself a week or two to get used to the Thorpe switches and also the layout before you make a final decision.
Strong, in this one, the Geekhack spirit is.
And if you don't like HHKB you can sell it here for pretty much what it cost you, and mark the small difference down to experience.
But do please give yourself a week or two to get used to the Thorpe switches and also the layout before you make a final decision.
Thanks for the advise... I read a lot of your posts on Topre that helped reach my decision to try it out. Great stuff
Don't be sad if both your fingers and wallet regret this. I got into the Topre hype until the rabid fanboys proved that it's just hype and it's not really much better than a rubber dome in the first place.
pfff you ain't seen nothing yet!
Really, if we had as much customization in Buckling Spring and Topre as there is with MX, I think MX would go the way of Alps.
MX
happy fingers
Don't be sad if both your fingers and wallet regret this. I got into the Topre hype until the rabid fanboys proved that it's just hype and it's not really much better than a rubber dome in the first place.
MX
For once I agree with you. All these fools staining their underwear over a switch that feels marginally better than a standard rubber dome board. Part of me still thinks it's just some inside joke here on GH à la Cherry MY.
MX
For once I agree with you. All these fools staining their underwear over a switch that feels marginally better than a standard rubber dome board. Part of me still thinks it's just some inside joke here on GH à la Cherry MY.
Really, if we had as much customization in Buckling Spring and Topre as there is with MX, I think MX would go the way of Alps.
Becoming the most underratted switch ever?
Really, if we had as much customization in Buckling Spring and Topre as there is with MX, I think MX would go the way of Alps.
Becoming the most underratted switch ever?
<3
Really, if we had as much customization in Buckling Spring and Topre as there is with MX, I think MX would go the way of Alps.Becoming the most underratted switch ever?
<3
It took at least a decade for the patents on the original Nintendo Entertainment System to expire, so logically it would take at least that long for a Topre clone to come about. Anyone know a Japanese patent lawyer? :p
Unless of course some enterprising company comes up with a deal to license the technology, but that would probably still be prohibitively expensive.
MX
For once I agree with you. All these fools staining their underwear over a switch that feels marginally better than a standard rubber dome board. Part of me still thinks it's just some inside joke here on GH à la Cherry MY.
What did you expect to find in this thread? "Hey guys, I just bought a new keyboard... Ya, I know, it's topre so it's gonna suck, but I wanted to get one to see how dumb those losers that enjoy their stupid, high priced boards wrongly rave about."
I enjoy the differences between BS and Mx and I'm sure I'll appreciate the differences Topre will bring.
Food for thought: Almost all Topre owners started out with an Mx board and many still own them. The ones that own/have owned both almost unanimously prefer their Topre boards. What separates them from Mx diehards is that they limit the location of where they post their preference to pro Topre threads. I have not read very many Topre threads in the archive over the past few months that don't have some sad Mx troll walking the proverbial halls looking for attention. For that reason alone; I'm glad to be associated with Topre owners.
Get out of my thread. I suggest you start a "I hate topre" thread and you and your disrespectful cohorts can have a nice cozy home to play in.
It took at least a decade for the patents on the original Nintendo Entertainment System to expire, so logically it would take at least that long for a Topre clone to come about. Anyone know a Japanese patent lawyer? :p
Unless of course some enterprising company comes up with a deal to license the technology, but that would probably still be prohibitively expensive.
But how cheap can a clone get without compromising feel? The electronics would have to be simplified much further than Topre currently is, and then you have to take into account the cost of the premium cup rubber, the springs, and the keycaps especially if they were to use PBT too like most Topre boards. The fact that clones probably aren't going to be mass produced either makes me think that the cost of a decent Topre clone will be pretty close in price to a real Topre keyboard.
It took at least a decade for the patents on the original Nintendo Entertainment System to expire, so logically it would take at least that long for a Topre clone to come about. Anyone know a Japanese patent lawyer? :p
Unless of course some enterprising company comes up with a deal to license the technology, but that would probably still be prohibitively expensive.
But how cheap can a clone get without compromising feel? The electronics would have to be simplified much further than Topre currently is, and then you have to take into account the cost of the premium cup rubber, the springs, and the keycaps especially if they were to use PBT too like most Topre boards. The fact that clones probably aren't going to be mass produced either makes me think that the cost of a decent Topre clone will be pretty close in price to a real Topre keyboard.
:))
There's no doubt that cup rubber and its silicone mixture costs extra money to make.
special shape of cup rubber (http://i.imgur.com/d16v8.jpg)
special shape of cup rubber (http://i.imgur.com/d16v8.jpg)
I don't believe you have the means of figuring out the unique mixture that they're using, that plus the special shape of cup rubber also adds production cost.
I don't believe you have the means of figuring out the unique mixture that they're using, that plus the special shape of cup rubber also adds production cost.
I don't. But I refuse to believe that it costs more than 10 cents to make the cup rubber. The special shape? It's probably injection molded, so why would it cost a ton?. If you feel that Topre is worth a ton of money to you, GREAT! Just don't make stuff up to say that they don't make an absurd profit off of it. I'm not saying that cherry doesn't, though.
I don't believe you have the means of figuring out the unique mixture that they're using, that plus the special shape of cup rubber also adds production cost.
I don't. But I refuse to believe that it costs more than 10 cents to make the cup rubber. The special shape? It's probably injection molded, so why would it cost a ton?. If you feel that Topre is worth a ton of money to you, GREAT! Just don't make stuff up to say that they don't make an absurd profit off of it. I'm not saying that cherry doesn't, though.
Do they make absurd profit? A realforce 108UBK is $160 USD on amazon.jp. A full PBT dyesub set probably costs around $60, so there's $100 left for everything else. Now, I'm not sure how much it costs them to make everything else on a large scale, but if we agree on 10 cents each for a dome, that's $10 for the whole board, plus conical springs, plus the PCB, plus the plate, plus the case, and pretty soon you can see that they aren't making "absurd profit".
What is sort of amusing is that when someone talks smack about Topre, fans get all up in arms. But when someone talks smack about any other switch, fans of that switch don't get upset. Just an observation.
What is sort of amusing is that when someone talks smack about Topre, fans get all up in arms. But when someone talks smack about any other switch, fans of that switch don't get upset. Just an observation.
Not really. What I see mostly, are people going out of their way to talk smack about topre. I don't really see the opposite of this anywhere on the forums. It's like people think Topre is some sort of cult they need
to make fun of, just because it's not mainstream and the uneducated relate them directly to cheap rubber dome keyboards.
It's like people think Topre is some sort of cult they need to make fun of, just because it's not mainstream and the uneducated relate them directly to cheap rubber dome keyboards.
It's like people think Topre is some sort of cult they need to make fun of, just because it's not mainstream and the uneducated relate them directly to cheap rubber dome keyboards.
The fundamental fact of TOPRE (thorpes as some like to call them on here) is that it IS a RUBBER DOME with SPRING. What more can be said?
I know the 'Thorpie lovers' tend to paint a coloured rainbow of worship around their purchases and HATE anyone who dismisses that. I would say in return, ignore the naysayers because if you're happy with it you don't need anyone's approval here on Geekhack. In fact you don't need anyone to change your opinion on anything in life ;) .
i know you said topre isn't mainstream...but do you mean it's not mainstream on the forum or out of 7 billion people? There seems to be a HUGE percentage of topre users here; you don't need to be the majority to be mainstream.
Lol...what the hell is going on in this thread. I can't keep track of who is the topre proponet and who is the opponent.
This thread is like every other topre thread. I'm disappointed in geekhack. I expected more... This is a site where literally everyone in it would be bullied and called a loser if we said this **** out loud to a "normal" person.
Instead of this being a cool escape/refugee camp for fellow tactile nerds; it's a place where i'm forced to sit behind my keyboard and defend my purchase or accept that some nobody is talking crap. At least my arguments are way better. I'll sleep well tonight.
And soon I will become one with cup rubber....... *****es lol
This thread is like every other topre thread. I'm disappointed in geekhack. I expected more... This is a site where literally everyone in it would be bullied and called a loser if we said this **** out loud to a "normal" person.
Instead of this being a cool escape/refugee camp for fellow tactile nerds; it's a place where i'm forced to sit behind my keyboard and defend my purchase or accept that some nobody is talking crap. At least my arguments are way better. I'll sleep well tonight.
And soon I will become one with cup rubber....... *****es lol
strongly, strongly disagree with that.
a forum thread IS NOT a PM chain. It is preserved and PUBLIC at all times. Therefore, the target audience and 'judge' of quality is NOT just the OP; it is every single person who will open and read the thread.
yes, that is how a wiki works; have you looked at edit histories of wiki pages? they look just like forum threads with people talking back and forth (usually with the exact same arguments). Yet, no one would agree that a read-only wiki is a good thing.
Don't be a ****.
hit the back button and find something else you can actually make a contribution towards.... I'm not trying to squash freedom of speech and spirited debate; just trying to squash douchebagitis.
I'm not trying to squash freedom of speech and spirited debate; just trying to squash douchebagitis.
I'm not trying to squash freedom of speech and spirited debate; just trying to squash douchebagitis.
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to a private forum. Everything posted here is subject to editing/moderation or deletion at sole discretion of the moderators and administrators.
Despite the naysayers and opponents of Topre, when you get it, try it out for a few days to a couple of weeks, it's quite likely you'd love it. After collecting quite a few MX keyboards, I'd decided to try a Topre keyboard, now I have four! My fave is the 55G on my 103UB, awesome to type.....and game on. Strangely enough, I find myself making less mistakes using Topre than on my MX switch keyboards, don't know why though. BTW, when you get the board, I hope you enjoy it......
I've been holding out on Topre for my wallet's sake, but then participated in a few group buys and spent enough to have bought myself an HHKB anyway. This place, it does strange things to your inner voice of reason. 'Grats on the new board!That's why I avoid the GB thread like the plague, hence my budget's not busted on GB's......so, I can afford to build up my collection of keyboards.
I've been holding out on Topre for my wallet's sake, but then participated in a few group buys and spent enough to have bought myself an HHKB anyway. This place, it does strange things to your inner voice of reason. 'Grats on the new board!
I've been holding out on Topre for my wallet's sake, but then participated in a few group buys and spent enough to have bought myself an HHKB anyway. This place, it does strange things to your inner voice of reason. 'Grats on the new board!
it's really weird. I'm normally a conservative bastard, but the amount I've spent on metal novelties is mindboggling - and i'm not even done yet....
I've been holding out on Topre for my wallet's sake, but then participated in a few group buys and spent enough to have bought myself an HHKB anyway. This place, it does strange things to your inner voice of reason. 'Grats on the new board!it's really weird. I'm normally a conservative bastard, but the amount I've spent on metal novelties is mindboggling - and i'm not even done yet....
Welcome to Wallethack ;)
I've been holding out on Topre for my wallet's sake, but then participated in a few group buys and spent enough to have bought myself an HHKB anyway. This place, it does strange things to your inner voice of reason. 'Grats on the new board!it's really weird. I'm normally a conservative bastard, but the amount I've spent on metal novelties is mindboggling - and i'm not even done yet....
Welcome to Wallethack ;)
Where the currecny are clacks
Got the board and I absolutely love the feeling! I am truly one with cup rubber!!
"Resistance is futile! You will be assimilated!!"
It's encouraging to see all the love from new topre users. I own a variety of keyboards that are equipped with cherry MX blues, browns, blacks, and reds (my fav). I've recently been considering getting a realforce 87u with variable weight keys. This thread has pretty much convinced me that it's a good idea to give it a try!
But it's not. I won't. MX/BS ftw!!!
Got the board and I absolutely love the feeling! I am truly one with cup rubber!!
Funny thing is; I had truly calibrated my mind to be initially disappointed and to force myself to give it time, but as soon as I started typing on it I got the exact sound and feeling that I had been searching for with my hunt for the perfect keyboard over the past few years. Amazing stuff. Really not sure why there are comparisons to feeling similar to rubber domes but I have learned everyone's keyboard experience is predicated on personal taste.Agreed 100%
The arrows are coming a little slow to me, but I did expect that the first day.
Funny thing is; I had truly calibrated my mind to be initially disappointed and to force myself to give it time, but as soon as I started typing on it I got the exact sound and feeling that I had been searching for with my hunt for the perfect keyboard over the past few years. Amazing stuff. Really not sure why there are comparisons to feeling similar to rubber domes but I have learned everyone's keyboard experience is predicated on personal taste.
The arrows are coming a little slow to me, but I did expect that the first day.
Remember that you also need a standard RF, a silenced RF, a variable silenced RF and a 55g RF.
Man I can't stop clicking the tracking link on my order from EK.
It's nice to share my passion for keyboards with others.
God! Why are keyboards so exciting!
Sounds like you will fit in well around here.
yes obssessive behavior is a requisite. Borderline personality disorder is also quite common.
55g HHKB master race, here I come.
unicomp I see that you also got the red Esc cap. Is it PBT or ABS?
Let the cup rubber oneness flow through you... I have made the MX sacrifices necessary to please the Thorpe gods. 55g master race, here I come.
I want a realforce... I really love my 45 for the light touch on the HHKB (not a heavy handed SOB like Bro Caps ;)) but with the plate mount I don't want it to be mushy. I think when I'm ready to get another board around X-mas time I'll try the 55g. If I <3, than I <3... If not, than I sell for a small loss.
If I sold it, I would be faced with a dilema... get a 45g Realforce for my future office job (more standard layout) OR get another HHKB for office use since by then I would probably be fully acclimated.
Such a dilema. Life truly is an endless struggle :-\
I don't understand why the love for Type S and the extra cost? If S is silent and yet people love Topre for the thock thock sound, why the heck you wanna dampen the sound and pay a lot more?
I'm buying my first keyboard soon and it will be a HHKB pro 2 (Odd i know) And i'm debating whether i should get a blank key one or not. Just learning the new layout and getting used to the fn layers without letters would be a little of a daunting task. But it's just so beautiful with blank caps.
I could get a black one with letters and remember the fn layers and layout for a little and get a blank white keycap set later and see if i could get used to it. And if i can't i can always sell them on here.
Wish me luck on my somewhat unique start in the keyboard world :P
You made it sound like there is a 55g HHKB. There isn't, or am I dreaming?
Sweet. I almost did but I want to give 55gs a try when they come in stock before I do anything rash :p
You made it sound like there is a 55g HHKB. There isn't, or am I dreaming?
You made it sound like there is a 55g HHKB. There isn't, or am I dreaming?
There isn't.
Yes there is.
I'm buying my first keyboard soon and it will be a HHKB pro 2 (Odd i know) And i'm debating whether i should get a blank key one or not. Just learning the new layout and getting used to the fn layers without letters would be a little of a daunting task. But it's just so beautiful with blank caps.
I could get a black one with letters and remember the fn layers and layout for a little and get a blank white keycap set later and see if i could get used to it. And if i can't i can always sell them on here.
Wish me luck on my somewhat unique start in the keyboard world :P
So after i play around with the HHKB what keyboard should i add to my list :P?
Sweet. I almost did but I want to give 55gs a try when they come in stock before I do anything rash :p
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Deja vu.
I don't understand why the love for Type S and the extra cost? If S is silent and yet people love Topre for the thock thock sound, why the heck you wanna dampen the sound and pay a lot more?
Excellent video, spiceBar. I think people underestimate the silencing mod until they do it themselves. I can never own a non-silenced Topre keyboard again because I've become aware how much better it sounds with the silencing mod.
On a side note how are is your Fc660C? Like the key printing wise?Excellent video, spiceBar. I think people underestimate the silencing mod until they do it themselves. I can never own a non-silenced Topre keyboard again because I've become aware how much better it sounds with the silencing mod.
Thanks! I am planning to post a detailed howto about the Realforce mod. After the mod the keyboard feels like it is only one piece. No plastic noise, no cracking or rattling, it feels so solid! I had already posted the howto for the FC660C, but the Realforce is a little different and I took more pictures this time.
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Wow spicebar that mod sounds amazing! Could I PM you on how to do it myself? Or do I have to wait for your guide? :p
Also damn you guys...the HHKB calling has never been greater after reading this thread..should I go for a type S?? I have yet to try a 55g RF either...time to bring out the big bucks I guess!
Wow spicebar that mod sounds amazing! Could I PM you on how to do it myself? Or do I have to wait for your guide? :P
Also damn you guys...the HHKB calling has never been greater after reading this thread..should I go for a type S?? I have yet to try a 55g RF either...time to bring out the big bucks I guess!
On a side note how are is your Fc660C? Like the key printing wise?Excellent video, spiceBar. I think people underestimate the silencing mod until they do it themselves. I can never own a non-silenced Topre keyboard again because I've become aware how much better it sounds with the silencing mod.
Thanks! I am planning to post a detailed howto about the Realforce mod. After the mod the keyboard feels like it is only one piece. No plastic noise, no cracking or rattling, it feels so solid! I had already posted the howto for the FC660C, but the Realforce is a little different and I took more pictures this time.
I notice the server with the videos is down at this time, so for those who would like to hear the difference please retry later if you cannot access the videos right now.
Wow spicebar that mod sounds amazing! Could I PM you on how to do it myself? Or do I have to wait for your guide? :P
Also damn you guys...the HHKB calling has never been greater after reading this thread..should I go for a type S?? I have yet to try a 55g RF either...time to bring out the big bucks I guess!
Wow spicebar that mod sounds amazing! Could I PM you on how to do it myself? Or do I have to wait for your guide? :P
Also damn you guys...the HHKB calling has never been greater after reading this thread..should I go for a type S?? I have yet to try a 55g RF either...time to bring out the big bucks I guess!
This was one of those mods that has some good and bad things..the change in throw looks significant and the sound IMO, is missing some of the warmth....although it is always really hard to tell with mics...I like other things about it though...
Also, one problem when people do sound tests is they're testing the keys in an unrealistic way. There are ways to maximize the sound on a normal Topre switch but only really odd henpecking will get you that. A better way to test is just do normal typing..since that is what is going to be used anyways..
On a side note how are is your Fc660C? Like the key printing wise?Excellent video, spiceBar. I think people underestimate the silencing mod until they do it themselves. I can never own a non-silenced Topre keyboard again because I've become aware how much better it sounds with the silencing mod.
Thanks! I am planning to post a detailed howto about the Realforce mod. After the mod the keyboard feels like it is only one piece. No plastic noise, no cracking or rattling, it feels so solid! I had already posted the howto for the FC660C, but the Realforce is a little different and I took more pictures this time.
I notice the server with the videos is down at this time, so for those who would like to hear the difference please retry later if you cannot access the videos right now.
The printings on the keys will not wear because I'm an AZERTY user. I thought I could adapt to QWERTY but I have given up after a few days, mainly because of the lack of accentuated characters that I have to use all the time. Composing them with several keystrokes breaks my flow.
So I have put stickers on the key and now my FC660C is ANSI FR (AZERTY).
You can actually see the stickers on the first video I have posted.
However the modifier keys are not covered by stickers and I see absolutely no wear on them so far.
I don't think there is anything warm in the sound of an unmodified Topre switch. The sound of plastic against plastic is what is suppressed, and if anything I think the silenced keyboard has a warmer, smoother sound. Maybe the warmth you are talking about was somehow in the resonance of the case, and if so you can just leave the voids unfilled. Or maybe it was in the low frequencies that produces the desk when it reacts to the shocks on the keyboard and in this case you can remove the rubber foam feet. It is rather easy to "tune" the sound of the keyboard.
But I prefer it as silent as possible.
I don't think there is anything warm in the sound of an unmodified Topre switch. The sound of plastic against plastic is what is suppressed, and if anything I think the silenced keyboard has a warmer, smoother sound. Maybe the warmth you are talking about was somehow in the resonance of the case, and if so you can just leave the voids unfilled. Or maybe it was in the low frequencies that produces the desk when it reacts to the shocks on the keyboard and in this case you can remove the rubber foam feet. It is rather easy to "tune" the sound of the keyboard.
But I prefer it as silent as possible.
What is the plastic against plastic? On the way up you mean?
I'm talking about on the way down..it doesn't quite sound as warm as a Type S...although some may prefer it that way (I'm not saying which is better, just what my observation, flawed or not, is).
I do think it is interesting that it has made it more sensitive..I didn't think about that but it makes sense...not allowing it to go all the way up means it is closer to actuation....Have you seen any issues w/ it doing a "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" type thing people have with the variables because the 30g are so light?
On a side note how are is your Fc660C? Like the key printing wise?Excellent video, spiceBar. I think people underestimate the silencing mod until they do it themselves. I can never own a non-silenced Topre keyboard again because I've become aware how much better it sounds with the silencing mod.
Thanks! I am planning to post a detailed howto about the Realforce mod. After the mod the keyboard feels like it is only one piece. No plastic noise, no cracking or rattling, it feels so solid! I had already posted the howto for the FC660C, but the Realforce is a little different and I took more pictures this time.
I notice the server with the videos is down at this time, so for those who would like to hear the difference please retry later if you cannot access the videos right now.
The printings on the keys will not wear because I'm an AZERTY user. I thought I could adapt to QWERTY but I have given up after a few days, mainly because of the lack of accentuated characters that I have to use all the time. Composing them with several keystrokes breaks my flow.
So I have put stickers on the key and now my FC660C is ANSI FR (AZERTY).
You can actually see the stickers on the first video I have posted.
However the modifier keys are not covered by stickers and I see absolutely no wear on them so far.
Well, I'm an AZERTY user too (well, my keymap is a mix of what I need ;) ) but I can sadly report that the keys are fading fast. Same on the FC660M for the record. Leopold do use a crappy method on them. The GOOD news is I should be able to have a blank KB soon, and I would love too. Need to find a way to speed up / finish the job of my fingers. 8)
Anyway, that layout is still one of my fav and the FC660C sounds fantastic (I used or owned every topre board around) even with any mod. Mine do not sound exactly like the video btw, weird. On thing is clear, the Type-S of my friend will not have keycaps probs ! Blanks ftw! ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4YulUuH.jpg)
EDIT: I just noticed it is under a fuction layer on the delete key..Odd, I'm wondering how that will fill with the amount i hit backspace to correct my obscene amount of typos or re thinking how i want to go about a sentence.
Plastic against plastic is on the upstroke (the way up). I insert slimmed down landing pads on the stem (plunger) to almost eliminate this "click" noise.
On Cherry MX switches, the landing pads are used to dampen the downstroke, so I guess that's how my mod could be misunderstood.
The sound of the downstroke is not changed at all by the landing pads mod on Topre. However, filling the voids in the case and adding foam rubber feet probably changed this sound by eliminating the resonances in the case itself, and the low frequency resonance of the desk (yes, your desk participates in the sound of your keyboard).
What the mod does is the same thing you do when you press a key and release your finger slowly so it does not make noise on the upstroke. Just that.
The Type-S Topre keyboards do not alter the sound of the downstroke either. As far as I can tell, they have a flat silicone ring on the stem, exactly where I put landing pads. What is silenced is always the upstroke.
Yes, I see issues with "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", but I already had them before modding the board. Maybe the key is even more sensitive now, a little bit, but anyway on the Realforce you must have light fingers on the side keys. You can rest them on F and J without any problem however.On the variable you mean? Interesting mod either way..definitely the quietest mod out of all of them..and even quieter than the Type-S and Silent RF from what I can tell....and since that is your objective I think it worked out very well for you...
Hmm i was just looking at the HHKB pro 2 and i just noticed there is not a backspace key to be seen. Could someone point it out to me?
I feel slightly stupid :'(
EDIT: I just noticed it is under a fuction layer on the delete key..Odd, I'm wondering how that will fill with the amount i hit backspace to correct my obscene amount of typos or re thinking how i want to go about a sentence.
Plastic against plastic is on the upstroke (the way up). I insert slimmed down landing pads on the stem (plunger) to almost eliminate this "click" noise.
On Cherry MX switches, the landing pads are used to dampen the downstroke, so I guess that's how my mod could be misunderstood.
Yeah..I was pretty sure you were talking upstroke since that is the only way to really silence it...The sound of the downstroke is not changed at all by the landing pads mod on Topre. However, filling the voids in the case and adding foam rubber feet probably changed this sound by eliminating the resonances in the case itself, and the low frequency resonance of the desk (yes, your desk participates in the sound of your keyboard).
Yeah..I realize that part..but it effectively changes the sound on the downstroke as well...it sounds different to me anyways...I'm not saying the switch itself isolated from everything else is making a different sound..but the sound coming from the keyboard itself is different..just as the HHKB sounds different from a RF...What the mod does is the same thing you do when you press a key and release your finger slowly so it does not make noise on the upstroke. Just that.
The Type-S Topre keyboards do not alter the sound of the downstroke either. As far as I can tell, they have a flat silicone ring on the stem, exactly where I put landing pads. What is silenced is always the upstroke.
Yes and no right..I mean, you've filled in the space there so it has changed some of the sound...I think that is my main point.
Also, the plunger for the Type-S is slightly different and accounts for the ring so it doesn't change the the travel.
Yes, I see issues with "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa", but I already had them before modding the board. Maybe the key is even more sensitive now, a little bit, but anyway on the Realforce you must have light fingers on the side keys. You can rest them on F and J without any problem however.On the variable you mean? Interesting mod either way..definitely the quietest mod out of all of them..and even quieter than the Type-S and Silent RF from what I can tell....and since that is your objective I think it worked out very well for you...
As I said, I think it made the keyboard seem really solid...It just seems like it is missing some of the thock...I guess because I use both a HHKB and RF and I see a difference between the two (as well as silent versions) that it seems like something is missing..but as you said, you really enjoy it that way and I'm sure there are tons of other people that really enjoy it that way...Or it could just be the sound from online..it is really hard to compare the two so it could just be what I'm hearing in person vs. what I hear on a vid...
Imagine filling a guitar with similar material: naturally the guitar would not sound as "warn" anymore. You would actually barely hear it.
So don't look any further. The landing pads do not change the downstroke sound. The filling inside the case does.
IMO, you'll eventually get used to going back and forth..at least, that's what happened with me..it was really difficult at first...I even considered getting rid of my HHKB specifically because it was too hard going back and forth....but eventually I got used to it and now it is seems really natural..although to be honest, I'm not sure why...
Should I get an HHKB or wait for RF 55g to be back in stock? I'm quite interested in trying the layout but also want to try 55g switches. I had a RF 45g that I gave away cause I thought it was too mushy..
Well.. That's it!It's down to persoanl preference, but for me, between the Charcoal grey and white, I like the white more.....
I'm going to order a HHKB soon, What colour should i order it in? White or black? And any key cap combos you guys want to see :D? Suggestions I NEED THEM
Well.. That's it!It's down to persoanl preference, but for me, between the Charcoal grey and white, I like the white more.....
I'm going to order a HHKB soon, What colour should i order it in? White or black? And any key cap combos you guys want to see :D? Suggestions I NEED THEM
IMO, you'll eventually get used to going back and forth..at least, that's what happened with me..it was really difficult at first...I even considered getting rid of my HHKB specifically because it was too hard going back and forth....but eventually I got used to it and now it is seems really natural..although to be honest, I'm not sure why...
In the olden days the backspace used to be above Return and Ctrl used to be next to A. This is HHKB layout.
More modern keyboards changed this layout and become commonplace.
IMO, you'll eventually get used to going back and forth..at least, that's what happened with me..it was really difficult at first...I even considered getting rid of my HHKB specifically because it was too hard going back and forth....but eventually I got used to it and now it is seems really natural..although to be honest, I'm not sure why...
In the olden days the backspace used to be above Return and Ctrl used to be next to A. This is HHKB layout.
More modern keyboards changed this layout and become commonplace.
I remember the CTRL being next to A but I don't remember the backspace ever being there...I think some of my old computers had the ISO type enter so early Apple, Trash 80, pre-mac, old IBM days...
IMO, you'll eventually get used to going back and forth..at least, that's what happened with me..it was really difficult at first...I even considered getting rid of my HHKB specifically because it was too hard going back and forth....but eventually I got used to it and now it is seems really natural..although to be honest, I'm not sure why...
In the olden days the backspace used to be above Return and Ctrl used to be next to A. This is HHKB layout.
More modern keyboards changed this layout and become commonplace.
I remember the CTRL being next to A but I don't remember the backspace ever being there...I think some of my old computers had the ISO type enter so early Apple, Trash 80, pre-mac, old IBM days...
The TRS-80 had an horizontal large (2x) white Enter, like on the ANSI layout. The backspace was just above. It was a little arrow pointing to the left. At its right was a little arrow pointing to the right which actually did Tab by default. In games and editors, these keys where just directional arrows. The up and down arrows where located where we currently have CapsLock and Tab, and it actually made a lot of sense: when playing games, once mastered, this arrow layout was a killer. Both hands were working and you could do incredibly complex moves. A one handed arrow cluster does not allow that.
IMO, you'll eventually get used to going back and forth..at least, that's what happened with me..it was really difficult at first...I even considered getting rid of my HHKB specifically because it was too hard going back and forth....but eventually I got used to it and now it is seems really natural..although to be honest, I'm not sure why...
In the olden days the backspace used to be above Return and Ctrl used to be next to A. This is HHKB layout.
More modern keyboards changed this layout and become commonplace.
I remember the CTRL being next to A but I don't remember the backspace ever being there...I think some of my old computers had the ISO type enter so early Apple, Trash 80, pre-mac, old IBM days...
The TRS-80 had an horizontal large (2x) white Enter, like on the ANSI layout. The backspace was just above. It was a little arrow pointing to the left. At its right was a little arrow pointing to the right which actually did Tab by default. In games and editors, these keys where just directional arrows. The up and down arrows where located where we currently have CapsLock and Tab, and it actually made a lot of sense: when playing games, once mastered, this arrow layout was a killer. Both hands were working and you could do incredibly complex moves. A one handed arrow cluster does not allow that.
Yeap..not saying the TRS 80 was ISO..saying a lot of older keyboards were the double height enter key...but yeah, I didn't remember the arrow keys on the right above the enter key.
I'm not sure any of those layouts back then made any sense... slightly different layout for each computer...and pretty bad in comparison...
The presence of the landing pad inside the switch is negligible regarding the downstroke sound. It does not alter that sound at all.
I have put a fair amount of rubber foam inside the keyboard itself and THAT is changing the sound of the downstroke. Look at this:
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The white filling is a rather dense rubber foam (it's a shower mat). There are two layers of it in the top part of the case. At the bottom of the case there was not enough width to put some, so I ended up putting compressible black foam and some adhesive soft foam pads.
This amount of material inside the case definitely changes the sound of the downstroke. A lot of the keypress' shock wave is absorbed and the resonance is also completely different because the back of the keyboard is not free to vibrate anymore.
Imagine filling a guitar with similar material: naturally the guitar would not sound as "warn" anymore. You would actually barely hear it.
So don't look any further. The landing pads do not change the downstroke sound. The filling inside the case does.
The presence of the landing pad inside the switch is negligible regarding the downstroke sound. It does not alter that sound at all.
I have put a fair amount of rubber foam inside the keyboard itself and THAT is changing the sound of the downstroke. Look at this:
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The white filling is a rather dense rubber foam (it's a shower mat). There are two layers of it in the top part of the case. At the bottom of the case there was not enough width to put some, so I ended up putting compressible black foam and some adhesive soft foam pads.
This amount of material inside the case definitely changes the sound of the downstroke. A lot of the keypress' shock wave is absorbed and the resonance is also completely different because the back of the keyboard is not free to vibrate anymore.
Imagine filling a guitar with similar material: naturally the guitar would not sound as "warn" anymore. You would actually barely hear it.
So don't look any further. The landing pads do not change the downstroke sound. The filling inside the case does.
You're near Paris? Because I totally want to make you mod my 55g one day. 8)
You lucky bastard :D I'm often in La Reunion to see friends though and planning to move in Indonesia but it's NOVEMBER SOON, the dreaded month here in Paris. -_-;
Well, you're right for the mod, I will do it myself. AS SOON AS YOU WRITE THE GUIDE. ;) I "only" have a 88UB 45g FR atm, I'm "working" to get the 55g ANSI, need to wake up my proxy in Seoul to get it from Leopold. :x I'm stupid so I'll also get the HHKB Type-S because, WHY NOT. And sell all the MX boards I will never touch again...
Hahaha. Exactly what I was thinking. With a 55g RF and HHKB type S, I don't think I'll need any other topre boards...maybe except the FC660C... Let's not go there. But then again, WHY NOT
Hahaha. Exactly what I was thinking. With a 55g RF and HHKB type S, I don't think I'll need any other topre boards...maybe except the FC660C... Let's not go there. But then again, WHY NOT
Exactly what I was thinking. Although I'd prefer to have 2 of my favourite so I don't have to constantly adjust to a different layout..
I must be lame then since I just bought an HHKB :'(
Resistance is futile...I just got a silent 87u, a FC660C and HHKB type S. When the 55g is in stock again I will buy that and mod it into a silent 55g with sexy purple sliders.
Resistance is futile...I just got a silent 87u, a FC660C and HHKB type S. When the 55g is in stock again I will buy that and mod it into a silent 55g with sexy purple sliders.
Resistance is futile...I just got a silent 87u, a FC660C and HHKB type S. When the 55g is in stock again I will buy that and mod it into a silent 55g with sexy purple sliders.
One does not simply buy a topre keyboard
Resistance is futile...I just got a silent 87u, a FC660C and HHKB type S. When the 55g is in stock again I will buy that and mod it into a silent 55g with sexy purple sliders.
One does not simply buy a topre keyboard
I simply bought 3 :P
Resistance is futile...I just got a silent 87u, a FC660C and HHKB type S. When the 55g is in stock again I will buy that and mod it into a silent 55g with sexy purple sliders.
One does not simply buy a topre keyboard
I tried the Type Heaven so my initial outlay wasn't too painful. Unfortunately I really like the switch so I definitely see more Topre in my future! Already eyeing a HHKB to add soon.
The lack of arrow keys does worry me a bit, well more than a bit as I use them often in my daily work. It's a lot of money to just give it a shot but I'm really intrigued by the layout. If I can't use it for work it would be fine for home use.
The lack of arrow keys does worry me a bit, well more than a bit as I use them often in my daily work. It's a lot of money to just give it a shot but I'm really intrigued by the layout. If I can't use it for work it would be fine for home use.
You should get the FC660C if you need the arrow cluster.
The lack of arrow keys does worry me a bit, well more than a bit as I use them often in my daily work. It's a lot of money to just give it a shot but I'm really intrigued by the layout. If I can't use it for work it would be fine for home use.
You should get the FC660C if you need the arrow cluster.
This.
Some people have reported getting used to the Fn+something to get arrow key functionality from the HHKB, but maybe because I switch between layouts too often I haven't gotten used to it yet.
Here is a precise example of what it is like to type on Topre switches:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DVaJNGK.jpg)
Here is a precise example of what it is like to type on Topre switches:Hallellujah, Bro Caps speaks the truth! ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/DVaJNGK.jpg)
The lack of arrow keys does worry me a bit, well more than a bit as I use them often in my daily work. It's a lot of money to just give it a shot but I'm really intrigued by the layout. If I can't use it for work it would be fine for home use.
You should get the FC660C if you need the arrow cluster.
This.
Some people have reported getting used to the Fn+something to get arrow key functionality from the HHKB, but maybe because I switch between layouts too often I haven't gotten used to it yet.
I've had more trouble getting used to the backspace location than anything else. Still, the layout is growing on me and I'm beginning to wish that every keyboard had the HHKB layout.
Here is a precise example of what it is like to type on Topre switches:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DVaJNGK.jpg)
But that space bar suggests that it is not the true cup rubber.
Well guys... the OP has yet again failed to resist Topre. Just ordered my black Realforce 87U silent for the office. I got sick of carrying my HHKB to and from work. Can't wait for it to get here!
Once elitekeyboards gets the white key caps back in stock they will be added. Eventually I'll get the tenkey pad and the Filco wristrest. $560 for a work keyboard set-up. I'm an idiot...
Well guys... the OP has yet again failed to resist Topre. Just ordered my black Realforce 87U silent for the office. I got sick of carrying my HHKB to and from work. Can't wait for it to get here!
Once elitekeyboards gets the white key caps back in stock they will be added. Eventually I'll get the tenkey pad and the Filco wristrest. $560 for a work keyboard set-up. I'm an idiot...
Well guys... the OP has yet again failed to resist Topre. Just ordered my black Realforce 87U silent for the office. I got sick of carrying my HHKB to and from work. Can't wait for it to get here!
Once elitekeyboards gets the white key caps back in stock they will be added. Eventually I'll get the tenkey pad and the Filco wristrest. $560 for a work keyboard set-up. I'm an idiot...
I cancelled my order for the Realforce. I want the board, but I think I really want the white/gray version. It's hard to tell, from the pictures- does anyone know if the white and gray color schemes are the exact same color? I know it's different companies, but some pictures seem really similar and some of the Realforce pictures come appear as though the gray is more of an older IBM style gray.
Elitekeyboards is out of the white/gray, but ETA "in November" so if I get confirmation that the color is the same as my HHKB I'll wait.
Well guys... the OP has yet again failed to resist Topre. Just ordered my black Realforce 87U silent for the office. I got sick of carrying my HHKB to and from work. Can't wait for it to get here!
Once elitekeyboards gets the white key caps back in stock they will be added. Eventually I'll get the tenkey pad and the Filco wristrest. $560 for a work keyboard set-up. I'm an idiot...
One Does not simply resist topre
I've been holding out for a few months now, but I think I'm going to finally pull the trigger this month. It's really too bad you can't buy the HHKB with a black body and white/gray keycaps! Hands down my favorite keyboard look.
Now I really want an hhkb just to put my new clack on...Or you could sell it to me :D
Now I really want an hhkb just to put my new clack on...Or you could sell it to me :D
Now I really want an hhkb just to put my new clack on...Or you could sell it to me :D
Finally got lucky and joined on the clack game without spending 100+ for one. Can't give it up now. :'(
I've been holding out for a few months now, but I think I'm going to finally pull the trigger this month. It's really too bad you can't buy the HHKB with a black body and white/gray keycaps! Hands down my favorite keyboard look.
Just pretend your black board costs $78 more than it really does and then your ideal combination is "free"... Geekhack logic
I'm so back and forth. I just re-ordered the black realforce silent. The more I thought about it, the more I realized I'd probably like the black better on my light colored desk at work and I think the white/gray combo works best on the HHKB the more pics I look at last night.
O well, at least the agony of going back and forth is done! Now, I wait.
I'm so back and forth. I just re-ordered the black realforce silent. The more I thought about it, the more I realized I'd probably like the black better on my light colored desk at work and I think the white/gray combo works best on the HHKB the more pics I look at last night.
O well, at least the agony of going back and forth is done! Now, I wait.
So at least you know that you won't be able to read the legends on the keycaps. You have been warned.
The point of barely able to read the keys is so that one day you can use blanks!
The point of barely able to read the keys is so that one day you can use blanks!
Well if you spend most of your time typing text, it's great. You will be forced to learn touch typing.
If you use your keyboard to program, it's really a different story. You can't really touch-type when you program, because it's more like typing one word or two and then a bunch of random symbols, then a word or two and so on. And then you need to go back one line or two and edit something...
You can't touch-type because your hands are constantly away from the home row. Well, you can, but it's very inefficient.
So I have found that using a blank keyboard for programming is very hard.
I wanted to warn him.
Yeah I code so im debating a small topre w the arrow keys or a tenkeyless...
Yeah I code so im debating a small topre w the arrow keys or a tenkeyless...
I am also a developer. I got the FC660C and it is the most natural keyboard I have worked on. The arrow keys are actually more conveniently located than on my TKL. On my TKL I find myself looking down when I need to put my hands on the arrow keys. On the FC660C my fingers find them much easier and I never look down. Another thing that I found very nice about the FC660C is they way they handled the Esc key. Standard keypress is Esc, Fn + Esc = `, Shift + Esc = ~ (so that key behaves the same as a regular sized keyboard for the ~, which I find very nice). I use stuff like 'ssh -i ~/.ssh/my.pem user@ip' all the time, so it is very nice to have the ~ exactly where I expect it.
I am in the market for an HHKB, but I will probably use it at home. We will see if I can deal with its arrow cluster for coding...
Yeah I code so im debating a small topre w the arrow keys or a tenkeyless...
I am also a developer. I got the FC660C and it is the most natural keyboard I have worked on. The arrow keys are actually more conveniently located than on my TKL. On my TKL I find myself looking down when I need to put my hands on the arrow keys. On the FC660C my fingers find them much easier and I never look down. Another thing that I found very nice about the FC660C is they way they handled the Esc key. Standard keypress is Esc, Fn + Esc = `, Shift + Esc = ~ (so that key behaves the same as a regular sized keyboard for the ~, which I find very nice). I use stuff like 'ssh -i ~/.ssh/my.pem user@ip' all the time, so it is very nice to have the ~ exactly where I expect it.
I am in the market for an HHKB, but I will probably use it at home. We will see if I can deal with its arrow cluster for coding...
Another thing I have found with HHKB under Windows is using Ctrl+up/down arrows to scroll the code, but keep the cursor in the same place. With the HHKB I just couldn't Fn+Ctrl+some other key to scroll.
Ultimately I think a TKL RealForce under Windows would suit me best.
Yeah I code so im debating a small topre w the arrow keys or a tenkeyless...
I am also a developer. I got the FC660C and it is the most natural keyboard I have worked on. The arrow keys are actually more conveniently located than on my TKL. On my TKL I find myself looking down when I need to put my hands on the arrow keys. On the FC660C my fingers find them much easier and I never look down. Another thing that I found very nice about the FC660C is they way they handled the Esc key. Standard keypress is Esc, Fn + Esc = `, Shift + Esc = ~ (so that key behaves the same as a regular sized keyboard for the ~, which I find very nice). I use stuff like 'ssh -i ~/.ssh/my.pem user@ip' all the time, so it is very nice to have the ~ exactly where I expect it.
I am in the market for an HHKB, but I will probably use it at home. We will see if I can deal with its arrow cluster for coding...
Yeah I code so im debating a small topre w the arrow keys or a tenkeyless...
I am also a developer. I got the FC660C and it is the most natural keyboard I have worked on. The arrow keys are actually more conveniently located than on my TKL. On my TKL I find myself looking down when I need to put my hands on the arrow keys. On the FC660C my fingers find them much easier and I never look down. Another thing that I found very nice about the FC660C is they way they handled the Esc key. Standard keypress is Esc, Fn + Esc = `, Shift + Esc = ~ (so that key behaves the same as a regular sized keyboard for the ~, which I find very nice). I use stuff like 'ssh -i ~/.ssh/my.pem user@ip' all the time, so it is very nice to have the ~ exactly where I expect it.
I am in the market for an HHKB, but I will probably use it at home. We will see if I can deal with its arrow cluster for coding...
Another thing I have found with HHKB under Windows is using Ctrl+up/down arrows to scroll the code, but keep the cursor in the same place. With the HHKB I just couldn't Fn+Ctrl+some other key to scroll.
Ultimately I think a TKL RealForce under Windows would suit me best.
Interesting... Can you not use Fn + L or . for PgUp or PgDn and get the functionality you are looking for?
Im on a Mac and my Ctrl + Up or Down are bound to functionality like 'show all open windows' and 'show all windows of this program'. I use Fn + Up or Down to do PgUp and PgDn to move around code quicker. On the FC660C, the Fn button is right next to the arrow cluster, so it is pretty natural once you start using it. The one key I do find useless is the Insert key. I can't even figure out how to make it work. It appears to do nothing for me.
Yeah I code so im debating a small topre w the arrow keys or a tenkeyless...
I am also a developer. I got the FC660C and it is the most natural keyboard I have worked on. The arrow keys are actually more conveniently located than on my TKL. On my TKL I find myself looking down when I need to put my hands on the arrow keys. On the FC660C my fingers find them much easier and I never look down. Another thing that I found very nice about the FC660C is they way they handled the Esc key. Standard keypress is Esc, Fn + Esc = `, Shift + Esc = ~ (so that key behaves the same as a regular sized keyboard for the ~, which I find very nice). I use stuff like 'ssh -i ~/.ssh/my.pem user@ip' all the time, so it is very nice to have the ~ exactly where I expect it.
I am in the market for an HHKB, but I will probably use it at home. We will see if I can deal with its arrow cluster for coding...
Another thing I have found with HHKB under Windows is using Ctrl+up/down arrows to scroll the code, but keep the cursor in the same place. With the HHKB I just couldn't Fn+Ctrl+some other key to scroll.
Ultimately I think a TKL RealForce under Windows would suit me best.
Interesting... Can you not use Fn + L or . for PgUp or PgDn and get the functionality you are looking for?
Im on a Mac and my Ctrl + Up or Down are bound to functionality like 'show all open windows' and 'show all windows of this program'. I use Fn + Up or Down to do PgUp and PgDn to move around code quicker. On the FC660C, the Fn button is right next to the arrow cluster, so it is pretty natural once you start using it. The one key I do find useless is the Insert key. I can't even figure out how to make it work. It appears to do nothing for me.
Not really. Ctrl-up a few times would scroll the text down, but leave the cursor in the same place. This is SO useful because, for example, searching for text usually places the match in the middle of the screen, vertically. If I want to edit that line, but also want to see a few lines that are just off the top or bottom of the screen, Ctrl-up or Ctrl/down lets me scroll a few lines (or more), but leaves the cursor exactly where it was, so I can just start typing.
I do this all the time, so a less intuitive key sequence to achieve the same thing would irk me considerably.
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
One thing I have to admit about the HHKB is the thock sound. That is mesmerising and is really a mark of the board much like the distinct engine identifying a Harley Davidson. Is this a HHKB thing or it's a topre thing? And if it's such a unique sound, why do people want a Type S to silence it?topre thing
One thing I have to admit about the HHKB is the thock sound. That is mesmerising and is really a mark of the board much like the distinct engine identifying a Harley Davidson. Is this a HHKB thing or it's a topre thing? And if it's such a unique sound, why do people want a Type S to silence it?
I want a Realforce 87u real bad. Can someone confirm is it louder then browns at 45 ? 55? what about red orings on browns? do i have to do a silence mod? what is the silence mod that comes w silenced version? is it just pads or bands? i want either all 45 or all 55 and as quiet or quieter then my browns w red orings.. ive posted in other places noone can help so far. Thanks!
One thing I have to admit about the HHKB is the thock sound. That is mesmerising and is really a mark of the board much like the distinct engine identifying a Harley Davidson. Is this a HHKB thing or it's a topre thing? And if it's such a unique sound, why do people want a Type S to silence it?
It's a topre thing, but I think it's a lot more pronounced on the HHKB because of the case mounted switches.I want a Realforce 87u real bad. Can someone confirm is it louder then browns at 45 ? 55? what about red orings on browns? do i have to do a silence mod? what is the silence mod that comes w silenced version? is it just pads or bands? i want either all 45 or all 55 and as quiet or quieter then my browns w red orings.. ive posted in other places noone can help so far. Thanks!
I think non silenced topre, plate mount especially, is quieter than tactile MX switches.
I want a Realforce 87u real bad. Can someone confirm is it louder then browns at 45 ? 55?
I want a Realforce 87u real bad. Can someone confirm is it louder then browns at 45 ? 55?
I imagine that they're relatively similar in sound level, but Realforce keyboards have a deep, muffled sound from the domes, while MX switches have a high pitch, sharp sound that's a lot more distracting. Realforce keyboards sound more "keyboard-like" for people accustomed to domes, so they can't really complain about a keyboard that sounds like a "normal keyboard" unless you're the only person who isn't on scissor :) (In which case, you need a Matias Quiet Pro to blend in)
It also depends, to a certain extent, on desk surface and room accoustics.
My HHKB does not really sound much like the videos you find on YouTube, for example.
But it does sound nice, and nothing like MX or BS.
See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
It also depends, to a certain extent, on desk surface and room accoustics.
My HHKB does not really sound much like the videos you find on YouTube, for example.
But it does sound nice, and nothing like MX or BS.See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
Guys I love the HHKB but I use arrows too much and dont want them crammed in either so you think ill enjoy a realforce as much as hhkb? 55 or 45? Thanks :)
I want a Realforce 87u real bad. Can someone confirm is it louder then browns at 45 ? 55?
I imagine that they're relatively similar in sound level, but Realforce keyboards have a deep, muffled sound from the domes, while MX switches have a high pitch, sharp sound that's a lot more distracting. Realforce keyboards sound more "keyboard-like" for people accustomed to domes, so they can't really complain about a keyboard that sounds like a "normal keyboard" unless you're the only person who isn't on scissor :) (In which case, you need a Matias Quiet Pro to blend in)
It also depends, to a certain extent, on desk surface and room accoustics.
My HHKB does not really sound much like the videos you find on YouTube, for example.
But it does sound nice, and nothing like MX or BS.See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
Guys I love the HHKB but I use arrows too much and dont want them crammed in either so you think ill enjoy a realforce as much as hhkb? 55 or 45? Thanks :)
It also depends, to a certain extent, on desk surface and room accoustics.
My HHKB does not really sound much like the videos you find on YouTube, for example.
But it does sound nice, and nothing like MX or BS.See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
Guys I love the HHKB but I use arrows too much and dont want them crammed in either so you think ill enjoy a realforce as much as hhkb? 55 or 45? Thanks :)
Why not FC660C?
It also depends, to a certain extent, on desk surface and room accoustics.
My HHKB does not really sound much like the videos you find on YouTube, for example.
But it does sound nice, and nothing like MX or BS.See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
Guys I love the HHKB but I use arrows too much and dont want them crammed in either so you think ill enjoy a realforce as much as hhkb? 55 or 45? Thanks :)
Why not FC660C?
I was actually looking at getting that + the Leopold numberpad.. it looks like just the shift key is smaller and no right ctrl no funtions but can use them secondary..
Whats nice is i hit numlock off, I can use the arrows on the numberpad.. so i could get a HHKB and leopold numpad and still have the arrows.
It also depends, to a certain extent, on desk surface and room accoustics.
My HHKB does not really sound much like the videos you find on YouTube, for example.
But it does sound nice, and nothing like MX or BS.See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
Guys I love the HHKB but I use arrows too much and dont want them crammed in either so you think ill enjoy a realforce as much as hhkb? 55 or 45? Thanks :)
Why not FC660C?
I was actually looking at getting that + the Leopold numberpad.. it looks like just the shift key is smaller and no right ctrl no funtions but can use them secondary..
Whats nice is i hit numlock off, I can use the arrows on the numberpad.. so i could get a HHKB and leopold numpad and still have the arrows.
Leopold numpad?!? Why not 23U (or even 23UB)?
Just wondering is it possible to mod the HHKB pro 2 to the level and sound of the type s without taking away the feel of regular topre? And is there any guides on how to do so?
I don't think they're nearly as loud as Cherry MX...Stock RF is more like Cherry MX with o-rings IMO.
I don't think they're nearly as loud as Cherry MX...Stock RF is more like Cherry MX with o-rings IMO.
Sound is horribly complicated — you'd need to record each one with AGC off at every stage of the input process and compare the results in audiospectrographometers/cardinal grammeters. Good topic for someone; I recorded a load of keyboards and every one came out exactly the same perceptual volume, so there clearly are differences that AGC removes. I didn't have my Topre at the time, so that wasn't included in the batch.
The problem with "mechanical" switches is that they typically make an exceptionally sharp sound on bottoming out. It's reduced somewhat on PCB mount but still there. For me anyway, it's that sharp noise that's far more apparent than a rubber dome keyboard. Also, though, I find that there's a lot of shaft motion noise and play rattle in MX switches that's absent from Topres, where the only stray noise is the return stop.
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
Congrats! My work Realforce 87u silent will be picked up by me on the way to work on Friday! Can't wait for Topre part deux!
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
Congrats! My work Realforce 87u silent will be picked up by me on the way to work on Friday! Can't wait for Topre part deux!
Official review: It's in. I love it. Awesome work day. That is all.
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
Congrats! My work Realforce 87u silent will be picked up by me on the way to work on Friday! Can't wait for Topre part deux!
Official review: It's in. I love it. Awesome work day. That is all.
I lost the losing battle and made the purchase today. Will update when it's arrived.
Congrats! My work Realforce 87u silent will be picked up by me on the way to work on Friday! Can't wait for Topre part deux!
Official review: It's in. I love it. Awesome work day. That is all.
Congratulations - money well spent :)
I've read a bit about lubing Topre switches and it seems like some users have wandered down that road before. Lubing does tend to reduce some weight on the keys, maybe this should be a mini project for you? You can hunt down some 30g domes and swap the stock 45g domes on the FC660C out. khaangaaroo has done a complete 30g silent mod on the FC660C before, not sure if he still has some domes left but you should try contacting him.
One thing I have to admit about the HHKB is the thock sound. That is mesmerising and is really a mark of the board much like the distinct engine identifying a Harley Davidson. Is this a HHKB thing or it's a topre thing? And if it's such a unique sound, why do people want a Type S to silence it?topre thing
See, if it sound like any other keyboard, then why pay so much for a Topre Realforce? It's the same as what I was driving at above. Like the Harley's engine, you need that distinct thock sound to tell people you are using a Topre!To each their own really. I have explained my own reasons in wanting a Type-S over a non Type-S in my own thread and hence I would see that would be more suitable for me.
I am not sure I wanted any other thing except for HHKB :D
I have been using a FC660C as one of my daily drivers for a couple weeks now. I have to say that the some of my favorite things about this board are not actually topre related. I find the arrow cluster to be pretty close to perfect for me. I love the way the ~ is handled on this 60%. This board feels solid and is a pleasure to type on, however I am not finding topre to be the ultimate typing experience for me. I go to the office some days and actually look forward to my browns because they still make me happy. I like a really light key, but with a tactile bump. I am finding 45g topre to be little heavier than I like. It is possible that a topre board will break in really nice, but right now it is a little heavier than I find comfortable. It may not even be that they are heavy as much that I can't stop from bottoming out on them and I think I am finding the jarring from that to be fatiguing for my hands.
Once I build a 60% or 75% MX board, we will see which one stays as my daily driver at home. I have to admit. When I had the topre next to the mx switches, I always chose topre. I think that might have had something to do with it being new. I actually took my browns to work in order to guarantee time on them. The feel of the switch is hard to describe, but it really is an amazing experience. I just have a hard time with it for long stretches.
Do you guys think a 60% layout like the HHKB would be okay in a game like Mount and Blade warband where you use f keys to command your army? Or do you think it would mess me up too much? I don't have huge hands so i would have to use 2 hands for some of the f keys since i can't reach it.
Or in that case would it be a better option to go for the Realforce 87u 55g?
And if you play games that use f keys or you play mount and blade warband that would be great if you could through in your opinion.
I have been using a FC660C as one of my daily drivers for a couple weeks now. I have to say that the some of my favorite things about this board are not actually topre related. I find the arrow cluster to be pretty close to perfect for me. I love the way the ~ is handled on this 60%. This board feels solid and is a pleasure to type on, however I am not finding topre to be the ultimate typing experience for me. I go to the office some days and actually look forward to my browns because they still make me happy. I like a really light key, but with a tactile bump. I am finding 45g topre to be little heavier than I like. It is possible that a topre board will break in really nice, but right now it is a little heavier than I find comfortable. It may not even be that they are heavy as much that I can't stop from bottoming out on them and I think I am finding the jarring from that to be fatiguing for my hands.
Once I build a 60% or 75% MX board, we will see which one stays as my daily driver at home. I have to admit. When I had the topre next to the mx switches, I always chose topre. I think that might have had something to do with it being new. I actually took my browns to work in order to guarantee time on them. The feel of the switch is hard to describe, but it really is an amazing experience. I just have a hard time with it for long stretches.
Perhaps you would like FC660M with MX browns?
I have been using a FC660C as one of my daily drivers for a couple weeks now. I have to say that the some of my favorite things about this board are not actually topre related. I find the arrow cluster to be pretty close to perfect for me. I love the way the ~ is handled on this 60%. This board feels solid and is a pleasure to type on, however I am not finding topre to be the ultimate typing experience for me. I go to the office some days and actually look forward to my browns because they still make me happy. I like a really light key, but with a tactile bump. I am finding 45g topre to be little heavier than I like. It is possible that a topre board will break in really nice, but right now it is a little heavier than I find comfortable. It may not even be that they are heavy as much that I can't stop from bottoming out on them and I think I am finding the jarring from that to be fatiguing for my hands.
Once I build a 60% or 75% MX board, we will see which one stays as my daily driver at home. I have to admit. When I had the topre next to the mx switches, I always chose topre. I think that might have had something to do with it being new. I actually took my browns to work in order to guarantee time on them. The feel of the switch is hard to describe, but it really is an amazing experience. I just have a hard time with it for long stretches.
I have been using a FC660C as one of my daily drivers for a couple weeks now. I have to say that the some of my favorite things about this board are not actually topre related. I find the arrow cluster to be pretty close to perfect for me. I love the way the ~ is handled on this 60%. This board feels solid and is a pleasure to type on, however I am not finding topre to be the ultimate typing experience for me. I go to the office some days and actually look forward to my browns because they still make me happy. I like a really light key, but with a tactile bump. I am finding 45g topre to be little heavier than I like. It is possible that a topre board will break in really nice, but right now it is a little heavier than I find comfortable. It may not even be that they are heavy as much that I can't stop from bottoming out on them and I think I am finding the jarring from that to be fatiguing for my hands.
Once I build a 60% or 75% MX board, we will see which one stays as my daily driver at home. I have to admit. When I had the topre next to the mx switches, I always chose topre. I think that might have had something to do with it being new. I actually took my browns to work in order to guarantee time on them. The feel of the switch is hard to describe, but it really is an amazing experience. I just have a hard time with it for long stretches.
Which is the switch that you have a hard time with for long stretches, as mentioned in the last couple of sentences of your post? The brown or the Topre?
it seems that nobody here besides me has finger pain issues with topre?
it seems that nobody here besides me has finger pain issues with topre?
it seems that nobody here besides me has finger pain issues with topre?
I rarely bottom out on a 55g. It's why I stopped using 45g completely. Not sure if that's the issue you are having, or what switch weight you are using.
But 55g is heavy enough that I can type comfortably without bottoming out. Also, the dental band mod would pretty much make bottoming much less of an impact
due to the rubber rings padding the contact. Not that everyone wants to do that mod, but it's really nice.
Dental mod master race.
Everyone with an unsilenced Topre keyboard should do it. The unpleasing, high-pitched plastic sound on the upstroke is the only thing that turned me off at the beginning. The dental mod fixed all that. Now it actually sounds and feels like a luxury keyboard.
I rarely bottom out on a 55g. It's why I stopped using 45g completely. Not sure if that's the issue you are having, or what switch weight you are using.
But 55g is heavy enough that I can type comfortably without bottoming out. Also, the dental band mod would pretty much make bottoming much less of an impact
due to the rubber rings padding the contact. Not that everyone wants to do that mod, but it's really nice.
Interesting. I've read the opposite concerning bottoming out with Topre. Since the actuation point is at the very top, the heavier the switch, the more difficult it would be to stop your momentum, thus resulting in bottoming out more often.
I've never used 55g (only hhkb's 45g and the variable weight Realforce), so I can't offer my own comparison.
Dental mod master race.
Everyone with an unsilenced Topre keyboard should do it. The unpleasing, high-pitched plastic sound on the upstroke is the only thing that turned me off at the beginning. The dental mod fixed all that. Now it actually sounds and feels like a luxury keyboard.
I rarely bottom out on a 55g. It's why I stopped using 45g completely. Not sure if that's the issue you are having, or what switch weight you are using.
But 55g is heavy enough that I can type comfortably without bottoming out. Also, the dental band mod would pretty much make bottoming much less of an impact
due to the rubber rings padding the contact. Not that everyone wants to do that mod, but it's really nice.
Interesting. I've read the opposite concerning bottoming out with Topre. Since the actuation point is at the very top, the heavier the switch, the more difficult it would be to stop your momentum, thus resulting in bottoming out more often.
I've never used 55g (only hhkb's 45g and the variable weight Realforce), so I can't offer my own comparison.
Yes, it is actually easier to not bottom out on lighter Topre IMO...eg. 30g Topre it is easy to not bottom out...55g I think is basically not possible...I think people feel like they're not bottoming out hard but they are bottoming out...it is really quite difficult not to.
I thought all of the mods only helps on the upstroke not the downstroke? The only thing it seems to do it shorten the travel which maybe gets close to the point where you're somewhat past some of the bump and you're that much closer to actuation so you can tap the key and it works? Not sure as I haven't used a modded silent Topre only the Type-S...
Dental mod master race.
Everyone with an unsilenced Topre keyboard should do it. The unpleasing, high-pitched plastic sound on the upstroke is the only thing that turned me off at the beginning. The dental mod fixed all that. Now it actually sounds and feels like a luxury keyboard.
Did you ever get the other set of dental bands to compare?
Bro caps, having not used a dental caps myself, I wonder if it has any effect on the sound? One of the attraction of the HHKB to me is the thock sound. If the dental caps is going to mute it, then it is pointless for me, no matter how it helps softening the blow.
Bro caps, having not used a dental caps myself, I wonder if it has any effect on the sound? One of the attraction of the HHKB to me is the thock sound. If the dental caps is going to mute it, then it is pointless for me, no matter how it helps softening the blow.
This is a common question/assumption. The dental mod does NOT mute the 'thock sound'. The dental mod only mutes the high-pitched plastic sound on the UPSTROKE. Thus, a smooth, silent thock is all there is to hear.
Dental mod master race.
Everyone with an unsilenced Topre keyboard should do it. The unpleasing, high-pitched plastic sound on the upstroke is the only thing that turned me off at the beginning. The dental mod fixed all that. Now it actually sounds and feels like a luxury keyboard.
W00t.. I'll have to get them. Any standard dental tabs will do, right?
I think logically, the stiffer the rubber, the harder it would be to depress. So you get more resistance to pushing it down to the point of actuation. At least that is what it feels like to me. Because I may bottom out,The point of actuation is after the drop off so the stiffer the rubber, the more force you need to press it which means the drop off will feel a bit more dramatic, and you won't be able to stop yourself. It isn't like clears where it suddenly ramps up near the end which can help you from bottoming out. The force you need to overcome the bump is greater than anything after the dome collapses....30g which take barely any pressing at all, you can lightly push and it'll tip over the bump and actuate the switches.
but it's hardly noticeable or painful. The dental bands do two things; shorten the throw, and pad the landing. So perhaps actuation may be happening earlier. Although I don't think that is the case. If I am not mistaken,
the actuation capacitance is a pre-determined distance, is it not?
it seems that nobody here besides me has finger pain issues with topre?
When I bottom out on Topre it really hurts my hand. I don't really understand it.
W00t.. I'll have to get them. Any standard dental tabs will do, right?
These (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEAR-3-16-MEDIUM-3-5oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-FOR-BRACES-DENTAL-BANDS-/130949156870) are the ones that have been recommended. They are 'medium' and are what I currently have installed on my 55g. I'll be swapping them out with the 'light' ones to see if there's any noticeable difference.
I dunno, 45g Topre seems pretty comparable to a lot of rubber domes as far as necessary force and snap back..they actually seem a bit snappier to me but I guess everyone's experience will be different.
And I agree, 55g Topre and not bottoming out...it is hard to believe to be honest..
I dunno, 45g Topre seems pretty comparable to a lot of rubber domes as far as necessary force and snap back..they actually seem a bit snappier to me but I guess everyone's experience will be different.
And I agree, 55g Topre and not bottoming out...it is hard to believe to be honest..
That may be so on an unmodified board, but I do understand when and if I am bottoming out. It may be the dental bands, but as I sit here and purposely bottom out, versus type normally, it's barely noticeable.
I can feel the collapse of the dome and know when it actuates, and it happens with barely a bit of pressure. So I would say maybe 3/4 of the way on the downward travel.
Really hard to explain, though. I definitely bottomed out (or at least felt it more) on the unmodified 55g.
Dental mod master race.If i do go with a 87u 55g over an ergodox i'm going to use the landing pad method, I like it a little bit more than the dental band mod.
Everyone with an unsilenced Topre keyboard should do it. The unpleasing, high-pitched plastic sound on the upstroke is the only thing that turned me off at the beginning. The dental mod fixed all that. Now it actually sounds and feels like a luxury keyboard.
I dunno, 45g Topre seems pretty comparable to a lot of rubber domes as far as necessary force and snap back..they actually seem a bit snappier to me but I guess everyone's experience will be different.
And I agree, 55g Topre and not bottoming out...it is hard to believe to be honest..
That may be so on an unmodified board, but I do understand when and if I am bottoming out. It may be the dental bands, but as I sit here and purposely bottom out, versus type normally, it's barely noticeable.
I can feel the collapse of the dome and know when it actuates, and it happens with barely a bit of pressure. So I would say maybe 3/4 of the way on the downward travel.
Really hard to explain, though. I definitely bottomed out (or at least felt it more) on the unmodified 55g.
This is a common question/assumption. The dental mod does NOT mute the 'thock sound'. The dental mod only mutes the high-pitched plastic sound on the UPSTROKE. Thus, a smooth, silent thock is all there is to hear.Do you know if this helps with the sound of the large keys? My caps lock, right shift, and backspace keys sound very different than the smaller keys; they have this sort of extra "springy" sound (possibly due to the light domes on 88UB variable on those keys, and the extra stabilizers).
i just made an insane topre mod, by the way. i disassembled the board, measured one conic spring height, took a mx red spring, cut it to the conic spring height, put it under the conic spring so it simply stands on the pcb and assembled the board back. all this under the "print screen" key. it works. now i have the first official capacitive mechanical cherrytopre board! feels like mx black lol
Dental mod master race.
Everyone with an unsilenced Topre keyboard should do it. The unpleasing, high-pitched plastic sound on the upstroke is the only thing that turned me off at the beginning. The dental mod fixed all that. Now it actually sounds and feels like a luxury keyboard.
This is a common question/assumption. The dental mod does NOT mute the 'thock sound'. The dental mod only mutes the high-pitched plastic sound on the UPSTROKE. Thus, a smooth, silent thock is all there is to hear.Do you know if this helps with the sound of the large keys? My caps lock, right shift, and backspace keys sound very different than the smaller keys; they have this sort of extra "springy" sound (possibly due to the light domes on 88UB variable on those keys, and the extra stabilizers).
It helps a little, but that "springy" sound is from the rattle by the stabilizer. You'll have to lubricate the stabilizer where it meets the other parts of the keyboard.OK thanks, it's not a major annoyance, so I'll see when I'll get around to it.
W00t.. I'll have to get them. Any standard dental tabs will do, right?
These (http://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEAR-3-16-MEDIUM-3-5oz-ORTHODONTIC-ELASTIC-FOR-BRACES-DENTAL-BANDS-/130949156870) are the ones that have been recommended. They are 'medium' and are what I currently have installed on my 55g. I'll be swapping them out with the 'light' ones to see if there's any noticeable difference.
Looking at this YouTube, I kinda like the sound BEFORE the dental mods.
This is a common question/assumption. The dental mod does NOT mute the 'thock sound'. The dental mod only mutes the high-pitched plastic sound on the UPSTROKE. Thus, a smooth, silent thock is all there is to hear.Do you know if this helps with the sound of the large keys? My caps lock, right shift, and backspace keys sound very different than the smaller keys; they have this sort of extra "springy" sound (possibly due to the light domes on 88UB variable on those keys, and the extra stabilizers).
It helps a little, but that "springy" sound is from the rattle by the stabilizer. You'll have to lubricate the stabilizer where it meets the other parts of the keyboard.
This is a common question/assumption. The dental mod does NOT mute the 'thock sound'. The dental mod only mutes the high-pitched plastic sound on the UPSTROKE. Thus, a smooth, silent thock is all there is to hear.Do you know if this helps with the sound of the large keys? My caps lock, right shift, and backspace keys sound very different than the smaller keys; they have this sort of extra "springy" sound (possibly due to the light domes on 88UB variable on those keys, and the extra stabilizers).
It helps a little, but that "springy" sound is from the rattle by the stabilizer. You'll have to lubricate the stabilizer where it meets the other parts of the keyboard.
That space bar pting is a major annoyance on my RealForce 87UB 45G. The space bar sounds horrible. I am going to lube the stabilizer and put either EK black soft-landing pads or dental bands on it. I've ordered both. Now which gets rid of pting and leaves most of the thock? Where do I need to put them? I hope to get rid of the metallic clank of the space bar so I can enjoy the cloud of boobs.
My Leopold FC660C doesn't annoy me at all. Except for it's layout. I wish it were a TKL layout then I wouldn't have a RealForce. ;-)