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Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Fri, 19 December 2008, 12:57:06
Works slick!

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/hhkb-color-keys.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/hhkb-color-keys-big.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 12:59:58
holy cow, that was with RITT?!?!?! Dude, it looks brilliant!!

omg, now I definitely have to try it.

did you do charcoal/black on keys and blue/yellow on the others? Hmmm, a yellow escape key looks just as good as a red one!

Can you post deets of the method you used? (water temperature, soaking time, stirring or no stirring, etc)

I'm assuming your keys were blank to begin with (else I imagine the lettering would show thru a little bit, since I think RITT mainly "tints" the key)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Mercen_505 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 13:16:40
I must admit I'm interested in doing this in the future. I'm also interested in knowing how durable the dye is.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Fri, 19 December 2008, 13:34:03
Another 'board.

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/spacesaver-color-keys.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/spacesaver-color-keys-big.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 13:45:56
looks like on the second board he dyed the frame too?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Fri, 19 December 2008, 13:52:45
Quote from: wellington1869;15366
looks like on the second board he dyed the frame too?

In the pictures posted, I dyed a total of eight keys blue and two keys yellow.  

All the dyed keys were white originally...except for the yellow key on the Model M...that was the off-white/gray color that you see on shift, Ctrl, etc Model M keys.

The Model M is a spacesaver that I got from bigpook.  It looks like the tilde key is yellow because it has Unicomp's "linux layout" (i.e. that IS the escape key).

After seeing the results, I would not have any reservations in dying the frame.  I am controlling myself right now simply because I used up my small sampling of dye and we just got over a foot of snow.  :)

Expect me to go crazy in January!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Fri, 19 December 2008, 13:54:18
Quote from: webwit;15367
This guy (http://www.jonlee.ca/how-to-diy-das-keyboard-using-a-model-m/) uses another dye. When I investigated this earlier, one guy said it was hard to get even coloring. Did you do anything special?
The spray vinyl dye is crap.  I tried that several times.

This is easy as you simply dissolve it in hot water and let the pieces soak it up.  Incredibly easy, looks awesome, and appears to be quite resilient.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Fri, 19 December 2008, 13:57:06
Somebody throw out a color scheme they'd like to see.  I'll see about implementing it on one of my many AT101W's in the coming weeks.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:03:39
the white keys - did they have lettering on them? i.e, they werent blank keys, right? If they had lettering on them, I'm very impressed that RITT covered up black lettering on white keys?!

p.s., I'm really impressed with the yellow escape key! Its as good as red :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:19:31
iMav

It looks really good. You mention you used white keys to start with. I suppose black keys would not work so well for dyeing?

The color looks even across the key too, real nice. Does the dye penetrate the plastic or does it "sit" on the top?

What if the keys had lettering? WOuld the letters still show?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:21:26
OK so RITT is?
I still want to make a brown board.
(with letters still showing if I can)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:37:58
Quote from: lam47;15376
OK so RITT is?
I still want to make a brown board.
(with letters still showing if I can)


whoops, its RIT with ONE T (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=rit+dye&x=7&y=19) :)


In the US, any walk-in drugstore generally will have it, for about .99 cents for each color.  Mostly used to dye old t-shirts or jeans. Its basically a clothing dye (but clearly has other uses!).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:40:20
I see! Could anyone read of the packet what its made from. I will see if we have anything like that :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: philodox on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:40:36
Has anyone tried something like Krylon fusion?  Any reason why that wouldn't work?  How about just for the frame?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:44:42
Quote from: philodox;15379
Has anyone tried something like Krylon fusion?  Any reason why that wouldn't work?  How about just for the frame?


I suppose you could try it, but my initial research a few months back indicated that spray on stuff wasnt working that well (peeling, wearing off, etc). Google for "diy das keyboard", you should get a bunch of hits where people attempted to spray paint their boards with varying results. I remember seeing at least one hit where someone used krylon fusion. IIRC it didnt work out well in the long run, but this was a while ago when I researched this stuff so I may not RC.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:46:00
It won't dye black keys.  These keys were blank to start with.  I'm pretty sure that black lettering would show through.

I have a couple of additional keys that I did with a darker blue that actually turned out near-black.  I will see if I am successful in removing any of the color.

UPDATE:

It does not sit "on top" of the key.  The dye soaks in pretty deep.  I scrubbed with nail polish remover and that did nothing.  I took several layers off with a knife and the dye is deep.  I had to cut the key in half to see how far the dye went.  

Very impressive.  (and I only soaked these for less than 10 minutes...with the water at near-boiling)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 14:52:49
rit dye color chart (http://www.ritdye.com/Color+Chart.21.lasso). Note they have a couple of "neon" colors.

Also note the skateboarding community has also apparently discovered RIT (http://www.silverfishlongboarding.com/forum/longboard-skateboarding-wheels-bearings/3855-ok-its-not-rit-dye-but-same-kinda-product.html) for their wheels and boards, lol.  So there is some precedent for using it on plastics.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Fri, 19 December 2008, 18:54:05
The HHKB looks great iMav, I have to try this now. I'm glad to see the original surface texture is retained unlike with spraying (vinyl dye or paint).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Fri, 19 December 2008, 18:56:53
Quote from: iMav;15369
This is easy as you simply dissolve it in hot water and let the pieces soak it up.  Incredibly easy, looks awesome, and appears to be quite resilient.


Did you use powder or liquid? In the UK we have Dylon powder, I wonder if it will work.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 19:04:20
Quote from: Chloe;15403
Did you use powder or liquid? In the UK we have Dylon powder, I wonder if it will work.


That's the one I was thinking of!
I plan to get some tomorrow and chuck some old keys in.
I will post of course.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 19:07:44
Quote from: lam47;15407
That's the one I was thinking of!
I plan to get some tomorrow and chuck some old keys in.
I will post of course.


lookng forward to the pics :)  Everyone always says 'dont forget to stir constantly' else coloring may not come out even.

I even like that the lettering will show thru. I like the idea of a "tint" better than thick color. I think it looks better.  
I'm surprised how strongly the yellow came thru, it looks great.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 19:09:38
Im always stirring you big girl HA HA HA HAHA HAHA
Im so tired.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Fri, 19 December 2008, 20:36:54
Quote from: lam47;15407
That's the one I was thinking of!
I plan to get some tomorrow and chuck some old keys in.
I will post of course.


You can get Rit dye from Ebay UK:
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=rit+dye&_sacat=See-All-Categories
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: secularzarathustra on Fri, 19 December 2008, 20:48:11
I sense an great influx of dyed boards coming to geekhack!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Fri, 19 December 2008, 21:10:40
Quote from: iMav;15382
It won't dye black keys.  These keys were blank to start with.  I'm pretty sure that black lettering would show through.

I have a couple of additional keys that I did with a darker blue that actually turned out near-black.  I will see if I am successful in removing any of the color.

UPDATE:

It does not sit "on top" of the key.  The dye soaks in pretty deep.  I scrubbed with nail polish remover and that did nothing.  I took several layers off with a knife and the dye is deep.  I had to cut the key in half to see how far the dye went.  

Very impressive.  (and I only soaked these for less than 10 minutes...with the water at near-boiling)


Thanks for verifying that. If the dye permeates the key, then its reasonable to think that it would last and not fade or wear off.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 December 2008, 21:22:56
Quote from: secularzarathustra;15432
I sense an great influx of dyed boards coming to geekhack!


I'd like color suggestions too. I'm bad at designing, though I can recognize a great design when I see one :)

What colors are you guys thinking of dying (those of you who are thinking of dying (dye-ing?)).  So far I know I'll do one as charcoal black with either a red or yellow escape key, but I have at least 3 boards could dye, lol.

(Omg, I just realized that I could color-code my entire autohotkey profile and shortcuts onto my keyboard! Lol, thats awesome)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: cchan on Fri, 19 December 2008, 21:59:53
I'm thinking to dye my AT101 a dark industrial gray-brown, like the industrial Model Ms.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 01:40:56
Quote from: Tales;15446
I'm thinking to dye my AT101 a dark industrial gray-brown, like the industrial Model Ms.


Brown is nice. I always thought a dark chocolate brown keyboard would look classy.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 02:50:02
Quote from: webwit;15489
Classy like a giant turd?.


lol, I was thinking "chocolate bar" actually ;)
And incidentally, the brown zune was the biggest selling zune ;)

classy is all in the context:
(http://www.fashion-era.com/images/2006_7_trends_fall/partydresses/WomensGraemeBlackBrownDressAW06x.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sat, 20 December 2008, 02:56:03
Quote from: wellington1869;15490
lol, I was thinking "chocolate bar" actually ;)


(http://blog.epromos.com/archives/chocolate-keyboard.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 02:56:41
Quote from: Chloe;15493
Show Image
(http://blog.epromos.com/archives/chocolate-keyboard.jpg)


:D perfect! And now I'm hungry ;)  (btw where can I get one of those! very cute)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sat, 20 December 2008, 02:58:48
I don't think it's a real keyboard:
http://www.sholk.com/pd_02.html
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Sat, 20 December 2008, 02:59:33
Quote from: wellington1869;15490
classy is all in the context:
Show Image
(http://www.fashion-era.com/images/2006_7_trends_fall/partydresses/WomensGraemeBlackBrownDressAW06x.jpg)


She's hot, I'd pee on her.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 05:56:06
Quote from: xsphat;15498
She's hot, I'd pee on her.


lol, I knew you were strange.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 08:10:59
Cooking some keys now in this stuff.
http://www.fredaldous.co.uk/shop-online/dylon-fabric-dye-hand-use.htm
Look how cool the packets are!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 20 December 2008, 08:14:41
Quote from: xsphat;15498
She's hot, I'd pee on her.


man, that is just so wrong. : )
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 08:45:01
Don't bother with the Dylon dye. It had no effect at all on the keys.
I will order some rit from ebay.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Sat, 20 December 2008, 12:40:01
Quote from: bigpook;15515
man, that is just so wrong. : )


:D ;)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 12:45:02
Quote from: Chloe;15497
I don't think it's a real keyboard:
http://www.sholk.com/pd_02.html


I know, thats why I got hungry ;)  It would make a terrific stocking stuffer for the keyboard lover in your life.  
Thanks for the link!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 20 December 2008, 13:19:13
Quote from: wellington1869;15532
I know, thats why I got hungry ;)  It would make a terrific stocking stuffer for the keyboard lover in your life.  
Thanks for the link!


That wouldn't last long in my house. That and a glass of milk....
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: fkeidjn on Sat, 20 December 2008, 16:27:59
Quote from: iMav;15382
It won't dye black keys.  These keys were blank to start with.  I'm pretty sure that black lettering would show through.


Not even if you try to dye it white, and then to another color?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lowpoly on Sat, 20 December 2008, 16:43:01
That looks very, very nice, iMav. Were the HHKB caps the first ones you tried? :)

Quote from: philodox;15379
Has anyone tried something like Krylon fusion?  Any reason why that wouldn't work?  How about just for the frame?

I think xsphat did that.

Quote from: Chloe;15428
You can get Rit dye from Ebay UK:
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=rit+dye&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Paypal and Europe. Thank you. :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 17:49:28
design idea: a "chess" keyboard where alternate keys are black and white?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sat, 20 December 2008, 17:52:24
Like this? I think it might be a bit too busy for me.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 20 December 2008, 18:02:21
Quote from: Chloe;15592
Like this? I think it might be a bit too busy for me.


hmmm, you're right, and its a little confusing to look at too ;) I think i'd keep losing my home row!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: dougy on Sat, 20 December 2008, 18:05:06
Just reading the thread and the colors are great. For those of you interested in paint you could try dipping the key face down in an LV epoxy. Carefully return it upright and set it on some teflon. The edges will need a little attention, but its fairly easy to trim/sand the edge. I did this with clear to repair a broken key. Gray is another standard color, and all can be tinted with frescoe coloring.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 20 December 2008, 18:09:41
Looking at iMav's post and those colors are just so even and clear. Those keys look OEM to me. I needs me some white keys for my filco....
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Sun, 21 December 2008, 00:35:54
Quote from: fkeidjn;15577
Not even if you try to dye it white, and then to another color?

I didn't have white, but I tried yellow on a black key.  Left it in there a LONG time.  Didn't change the black key one bit.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Sun, 21 December 2008, 00:38:41
Quote from: lowpoly;15582
That looks very, very nice, iMav. Were the HHKB caps the first ones you tried? :)

I first tried red with a non-Rit brand (wife brought two brands of dye home because they didn't have red Rit at the store).  It did absolutely nothing.  I then did some Model M and HHKB keys with a dark blue.  Turned them black.  :)  Third time was a charm with the lighter blue...and then I did the yellow keys.

Definitely go with light colors.  Just let them soak longer to darken them up.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sun, 21 December 2008, 01:09:54
Did you add vinegar to the water? I have read that it helps when dyeing nylon so maybe it would work for other plastics too.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sun, 21 December 2008, 02:27:23
I found some colour recipes:
http://www.theclothshoplondon.com/fabric_dye/ritdye/with_rit_dye_powder.htm
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Sun, 21 December 2008, 03:42:49
Nice find Chloe, thanks. I'm no artist so that will help me decide what to do.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 04:04:45
Quote from: Chloe;15624
Did you add vinegar to the water? I have read that it helps when dyeing nylon so maybe it would work for other plastics too.


I vaguely remember reading somewhere that adding salt has the same effect. I think that was for dyeing clothes tho.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sun, 21 December 2008, 04:09:21
Quote from: wellington1869;15635
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that adding salt has the same effect. I think that was for dyeing clothes tho.


I remember the Dylon instructions said to add salt in the drum, I think to fix the dye. Vinegar increases the acidity of the dye.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 04:28:06
Quote from: xsphat;15634
Nice find Chloe, thanks. I'm no artist so that will help me decide what to do.


For me the challenge will be to avoid having it wind up looking like a children's keyboard :)

Trying to choose some classy colors. Charcoal keys with red or yellow escape key is the standby scheme, I guess. (A baby blue escape key might be neat and unusual too.)

As an alternative to basic charcoal, khaki green looks pretty cool for the main keys, maybe with a "camoflauge" scheme (khaki tan escape key?).
Forest green might be neat too.

Blue spruce would be unusual, a kind of "subdued" blue. Not sure what color escape key would go with that. Maybe we need a color wheel like they have to match colors on websites, lol.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Sun, 21 December 2008, 06:12:21
Quote from: wellington1869;15635
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that adding salt has the same effect. I think that was for dyeing clothes tho.

I added salt to the dye every time (as that is in the instructions).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 06:14:29
I'm surprised that the dylon did not work as it seems to be the same stuff as the rit.
A powder you add salt too.
I will have a go with the rit when it gets here. Might be a while, Chrimbo and all.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Sun, 21 December 2008, 06:54:28
Laurie, did you use the machine dye (box) or the little disc packet?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: cchan on Sun, 21 December 2008, 06:57:26
Quote from: wellington1869;15637
For me the challenge will be to avoid having it wind up looking like a children's keyboard :)

Trying to choose some classy colors. Charcoal keys with red or yellow escape key is the standby scheme, I guess. (A baby blue escape key might be neat and unusual too.)

As an alternative to basic charcoal, khaki green looks pretty cool for the main keys, maybe with a "camoflauge" scheme (khaki tan escape key?).
Forest green might be neat too.

Blue spruce would be unusual, a kind of "subdued" blue. Not sure what color escape key would go with that. Maybe we need a color wheel like they have to match colors on websites, lol.
With a subdued blue keyboard, I'd go for a darker blue or yellow Esc key.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 07:30:51
Quote from: Chloe;15651
Laurie, did you use the machine dye (box) or the little disc packet?


They have changed the range. They make the machine dye in a box and the hand wash dye as a powder in a sachet. I used the hand wash dye.
It had no effect at all on a white cherry mx key.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 07:32:59
Im going to be using brown and red to match my Ubuntu :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/Screenshot.png)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: cchan on Sun, 21 December 2008, 11:36:19
lam47, I want that wallpaper? Download link plz!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 11:39:01
I dont recall the link but pm your email address and I will send the file.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lowpoly on Sun, 21 December 2008, 11:50:50
http://blackeri.cgsociety.org/gallery/
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 19:05:38
Quote from: Tales;15653
With a subdued blue keyboard, I'd go for a darker blue or yellow Esc key.


ok, here are the three schemes I'm thinking of for my three boards. On all three I'm dying the frame as well.

1) smk85: charcoal: frame and all keys. baby blue: escape key.
2) dell at101w: "camouflage" scheme. chocolate brown: frame. khaki tan: auxiliary keys. khaki green: main letter keys.
3) ibm m: charcoal: frame. blue spruce: all keys. orange or yellow: escape key.

hmmm, I dont have a red escape key! maybe I'll do that on a fourth board.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: cchan on Sun, 21 December 2008, 19:35:42
Quote from: wellington1869;15720
ok, here are the three schemes I'm thinking of for my three boards. On all three I'm dying the frame as well.

1) smk85: charcoal: frame and all keys. baby blue: escape key.
2) dell at101w: "camouflage" scheme. chocolate brown: frame. khaki tan: auxiliary keys. khaki green: main letter keys.
3) ibm m: charcoal: frame. blue spruce: all keys. orange or yellow: escape key.

hmmm, I dont have a red escape key! maybe I'll do that on a fourth board.
Well, I'm thinking of:

IBM Model M (once I get the damn 5.5mm socket): All stealth black, red Esc key
Dell AT101W: Charcoal frame, light purple keys, darker purple Esc key
Focus FK-2001: Olive drab frame and keys
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 21 December 2008, 19:58:28
Quote from: Tales;15721
IBM Model M (once I get the damn 5.5mm socket): All stealth black, red Esc key


thats sounds good, maybe I'll do that too for the M, tho with charcoal and red.

I'd like to do something in blue spruce tho, I like that 'subdued blue' color.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Sun, 21 December 2008, 20:04:10
I've always wanted to do a camouflage keyboard, but I've never been a redneck, so I haven't yet (that and nothing every worked for dyeing keyboards before)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 06:53:41
Hey.
Got my rit today.
Just tried a couple of keys.
One has got some blotchy patches I'm not sure why.

Also I am not sure how I am going to fit a whole case on the hob?
I dont have a baking tray big enough.
Dose anyone think it will work if I dont keep the water heated and just do it in a large plastic basin?

These are MX caps from a g81 3000.
Cooked for 10min with a spoon of dye and some salt.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00252.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00257.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 06:57:50
Thats a nice looking red. I take it you want to do the whole 'board that way? I am thinking fire engines : )
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 06:58:23
They look good. Did you clean them with isopropyl alcohol first? For the case, one of those huge catering baking trays that can sit on stove hobs would be ideal.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: andb on Mon, 29 December 2008, 07:41:17
I don't think anyone has mentioned dying the index finger home keys. I'm thinking to make a whole board charcoal with just "F" and "J" as mix of grey / red. The purpose being to possibly make it easier to drop my fingers on the right place when I start touch typing (which I'm still terrible at).

This is the only practical need for dying keys that I can see outside of gaming. I'd consider making a custom dyed keyboard for Startcraft, but then Id have to dye just about every key, lol.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 07:54:53
OK I think, I think the temp might have been just a little too high. Im not sure I will let you judge.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00258-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00260.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00261-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00262.jpg)


Its a shame as the colour has come out lovely.
The plastic must have been softer.
The keyboard is unusable :( quite upset now.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 07:57:36
wow, thats too bad. the color is *****in' though.

I take it the water was boiling? How long do the keys have to stay in for the color to take?
Hopefully, this was a sacrificial keyboard.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:06:48
:( Do the keycaps from the G81-3000 fit? Maybe the plastic can be remolded.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:08:46
They don't fit no. They are far too shallow to even push onto the switches.
Re moulding I did try in some more hot water bet the space bar just cracked.

I will try again but off the hob.
Not sure if the colour will take so well though.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:10:04
Quote from: bigpook;16367
wow, thats too bad. the color is *****in' though.

I take it the water was boiling? How long do the keys have to stay in for the color to take?
Hopefully, this was a sacrificial keyboard.


Not boiling no just almost boiling as per instructions on the site.
It took about 20min to get to this colour.
If I had pulled them out 5min earlier they would have been OK.
The heat just got too much I guess.

I want to do my Goldtouch but am afraid :(
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:12:06
Some plastics are softer than others. Maybe it would be better to not use the hob? Or dye them in 5-10 minute stages?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: andb on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:22:33
Quote from: Chloe;16371
Some plastics are softer than others. Maybe it would be better to not use the hob? Or dye them in 5-10 minute stages?


Stages could help to get a darker color. It would probably mean that the color wouldnt penetrate as deeply.  I think dying is going to be popular here, so hopefully we can learn tips about what 'boards plastics can handle what level of heat...

Sorry to see that board of yours damaged, but thanks for sharing the lesson,  lam47.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:25:47
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OK I think, I think the temp might have been just a little too high. Im not sure I will let you judge.


LOL!!

(By the way thats a really nice color. )

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Dose anyone think it will work if I dont keep the water heated and just do it in a large plastic basin?


Yes it will work; i've done t-shirts that way (and only with hot tap water and salt, no boiling) and it does stick (even if color is not as deep, you can still do it multiple times).  Obviously anything would be better than melted keys...

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The keyboard is unusable


put it up on ebay, see what happens ;D  (kidding, but would be funny though!)

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It took about 20min to get to this colour


IIRC from the instructions, 20 minutes is on the very long side; I remember even for t-shirts I think they only say about 10 minutes. I'll go out on a limb here and say what all geekhackers learned from this tragedy is to do it in short stages!

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One has got some blotchy patches I'm not sure why.

IIRC, blotchy patches if not enough stirring (same thing happens with t-shirts; have to stir *continuously* else will get blotches...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:25:52
:) No worries. I wont melt the next one.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:27:44
Quote from: wellington1869;16375



put it up on ebay, see what happens ;D  (kidding, but would be funny though!)


I might do.
Not sure anyone would want it though.
Its a shame as I liked this one. I used it as my Linux board as a lot of mine dont have windows keys.

Never mind.

I will do the Goldtouch tonight and post the results.
Plastic is very pale so I think will take the colour quicker.

Cross everything for me.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 08:37:39
Quote from: lam47;16377
I might do.
I will do the Goldtouch tonight and post the results.
Plastic is very pale so I think will take the colour quicker.

I'm still really amazed at how incredibly well RIT works on plastic keys. Its like it came out of the factory that way (minus the melting of course).  Sooooooo much better than painting.  RIT basically turns all our keyboards into a canvas.

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Cross everything for me.


Crossed... :)  Just remember you are providing an invaluable service to Science :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Therac-25 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 09:05:29
Quote from: webwit;15388
This is a part of a discussion I had with this guy (http://joshcarter.com/miscellany/how_to_paint_your_keyboard) a while back (for those interested), first his experience, then an overview of some of the stuff I researched. He tried it, and it wears/chips off after a while.

Wow, it was kind of creepy to click on one of those links ( http://www.jonlee.ca/how-to-diy-das-keyboard-using-a-model-m/ ) and find a post from myself from like a year and a half ago from when I was trying to paint my old Customizer 101 with Krylon (it was fail)...

I had two Customizers, but I don't seem to know where the other one got put.  My mom was using it before she got her Mac, so it might still be at her house.  If I can get ahold of it, I'll try doing the whole thing black (unless a more awesome colour scheme comes to mind).

There's not much I can do with the brown shaded keys.  Either I have a matching dark/light colour scheme, or just do the whole thing black.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Mon, 29 December 2008, 10:41:49
I don't think the water has to be all that hot.  Better to try lower temps first.  

That red looks very nice, BTW.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 10:43:56
"In the blacksmith“s home, the knives are made from wood."

nice quote
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 10:59:28
Quote from: bigpook;16400
"In the blacksmith“s home, the knives are made from wood."

nice quote


nice quote but I confess I dont get it!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:07:10
Quote from: andb;16365
I'm thinking to make a whole board charcoal with just "F" and "J" as mix of grey / red.


I think thats a really neat idea.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:10:38
Quote from: wellington1869;16404
nice quote but I confess I dont get it!


I think the meaning is the same:
http://www.answers.com/topic/the-shoemaker-s-son-always-goes-barefoot
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:19:08
Oh great, since I'm a writer, my kid won't be able to read?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lowpoly on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:19:21
As fort plastic melting temperatures, I just mentioned in another thread that I melted the upper case of an Ambra Model M in the dishwasher using the 50 degree Celsius program. First time that happened and I'm sure they used a soft low melt plastic here but that seems - for now - to be the point where melting starts.

Of course I don't know how precise the dishwasher temperature is.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:26:42
Quote from: xsphat;16407
Oh great, since I'm a writer, my kid won't be able to read?

I am sure they will be able to read, they just may not be able to write, dang...fail.

En casa de herrero, cuchillo de palo

I don't have an children, but I do program telephone systems for a living. When I get home, I don't answer the phone when it rings. I actually hate ringing telephones. I let my wife answer the calls. Everyone of importance to me will email me anyway.

btw, that quote is in iMav's sig. I thought it was interesting.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:36:40
Well Its not right yet.
These are keys from my Goldtouch.
The water was kept at just bellow boiling and still the dye did not take.
On the handle however it looks OK.
Any advice on rescuing this salmon pink monstrosity?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00264-1.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lowpoly on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:40:50
Maybe try it again with more dye? Be careful with the temperature.

Any plastic identification for ex. in the space bar?

Edit: Would be good to start with a single key, for ex. Escape.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:43:14
Wow, don't take that keyboard to a LAN party or they'll think you're a frag!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:48:36
I would try black dye. Any shade of grey would be better than that pink.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:49:19
Quote from: xsphat;16412
Wow, don't take that keyboard to a LAN party or they'll think you're a frag!


:)

GTT-L
>ABS<

The MX caps were a lot better to dye.
I will order some more red and have another shot at it.
I feel I might just have to spray and lacquer them though.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:51:13
Quote from: Chloe;16413
I would try black dye. Any shade of grey would be better than that pink.


This might be my best bet.
I should have just done the one key for sure.
Stupid impulsive me!!!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: andb on Mon, 29 December 2008, 11:55:24
Anyone here done woodworking or painted a car? Layers and patience are the keys. I think that as shown with Lam47's salmon keys, this approach may also work. Lam, how about trying it another 20 times on those same keys? I'm laughing, but serious at the same time. I mentioned that the dye may not go as deep, but then again, we dont crack open the keycaps so often do we? We may have to make a list of keyboards and optimum dyeing temperatures :D

Lam, you mention you were using this as your linux board, what do you need the "Super" key (proper name for the 'windows' key in Linux parlance) that couldn't be remapped to something else? Its  really easy to set up alternatives for Compiz's  effects. I have maybe 1 keyboard with a 'Super' key, and never missed it.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: andb on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:06:33
Quote from: xsphat;16407
Oh great, since I'm a writer, my kid won't be able to read?

The quote is more that those who work in a specific field aren't interested in doing such work for themselves. The cobblers children often go barefoot or the blacksmith's horse is often unshod are two typical ones in English. So extending the idea, as a writer, its more likely that you won't bother writing anything for yourself or your family. There is still hope for your kids :)

I see this often in firms doing web consulting, the ones who have done the most amazing work for clients have sites themselves that look like something from 10 years ago.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:10:58
"A plumber's pipes always leak" is another common one.

In regards to the Rit dying...Are you adding salt to the water??  I added a good amount of salt each time.  And I keep them in until they are the color I want.  Looks like those keys need more time.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:19:36
Quote from: lam47;16415
This might be my best bet.
I should have just done the one key for sure.
Stupid impulsive me!!!

lol, I do things on impulse, most times it works out, some times I am left standing amidst the ruins of my poor decisions.
In light of that, pink keys aren't so bad. As others may have mentioned, try to re-dye them again, if that fails, go with black. Get it dark to hide the mistake.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:22:22
Quote from: lam47;16415
This might be my best bet.
I should have just done the one key for sure.
Stupid impulsive me!!!


lol, salmon!

IIRC RIT sells a dye remover, dont they? (he asked hopefully)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:24:52
Quote from: wellington1869;16422
lol, salmon!

IIRC RIT sells a dye remover, dont they? (he asked hopefully)

Salmon! Its the new black! Its all in how you spin it : )
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:25:25
Quote from: webwit;16424
The Gods of Vintage Keyboards are frowning from the clouds.


lol, seriously ;)  Lam must have already offended one of the keyboard gods for all this to happen today
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:27:01
Quote from: wellington1869;16426
lol, seriously ;)  Lam must have already offended one of the keyboard gods for all this to happen today


Thats 2 strikes, its best to stand down, step away from the stove, go outside, run around and clear your head. To continue is only to invite further disaster.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:33:52
I finish fine woods with 20+ coats of lacquer followed by rubbing compounds pumice and rottenstone so I can appreciate the slow layer by layer approach.

I just assumed it would work like it did in the qtronix but without the melting part.

Salt was added yes. It was almost an hour when I gave up, needed to put the dinner on.
Thinking about it I see no reason why another soaking would not double the depth of the colour.
I would however end up spending a fortune on dye as its £2.99 + £2.99 postage per pack from ebay.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 12:57:00
I wonder if you can reuse/reheat the dye water. That might save some money.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:06:21
Quote from: lam47;16428
. It was almost an hour when I gave up, needed to put the dinner on.
Thinking about it I see no reason why another soaking would not double the depth of the colour.
I would however end up spending a fortune on dye as its £2.99 + £2.99 postage per pack from ebay.


So basically the only difference was the temperature of the water?

another experiment to try (if you have another board to sacrifice, lol ;) would be to "flash dye" them in very hot water (ie, leave them in for maybe a minute or less, but in very hot water), not long enough for them to melt.  I guess timing will be everything, but that might save you the laborious "layering" process and its expense.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Therac-25 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:25:55
Quote from: wellington1869;16430
So basically the only difference was the temperature of the water?

another experiment to try (if you have another board to sacrifice, lol ;) would be to "flash dye" them in very hot water (ie, leave them in for maybe a minute or less, but in very hot water), not long enough for them to melt.  I guess timing will be everything, but that might save you the laborious "layering" process and its expense.


on the other end of the scale, could you leave them for a long time in water not hot enough to melt them?  i have a bag of old model m keycaps (from a deceased board) that i can sacrifice on the altar of experiment.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:42:38
Its going to depend a lot on the plastic.
The MX caps I think would have been fine and not needed the water to be so hot.
The ones from the Goldtouch just don't seem to take the dye so well.
The heat softens the plastic allowing the dye to penetrate. The caps on a Model M feel very soft to me and should take the dye well.
I'm not even sure if black would take to the Goldtouch keys without melting them all in to one big blob.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Therac-25 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 13:48:32
Quote from: lam47;16433
Its going to depend a lot on the plastic.
The MX caps I think would have been fine and not needed the water to be so hot.
The ones from the Goldtouch just don't seem to take the dye so well.
The heat softens the plastic allowing the dye to penetrate. The caps on a Model M feel very soft to me and should take the dye well.
I'm not even sure if black would take to the Goldtouch keys without melting them all in to one big blob.


probably getting into unsafe territory here in terms of physical health, but are there any plastic dyes that aren't water based?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:18:02
Well let it never be said that I dont get back on the horse.
Had another go.
This time with a dark brown.
The picture shows that it is the plastic that is the issue in this case.
Just look how dark the MX cap is on the end!
This was 10min on the hob, making ****ing sure not to let it boil but letting it get very close.
I honestly dont mind that it is blotchy. Looks quite chocolaty to me :)
Also its less noticeable in natural light and when all the keys are together.

I will try and finish the rest of the board tomorrow.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00265.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:21:03
The brown looks pretty good. We should make a database or something to log how keycaps will react to the dyeing process. That MX key looks positively chocolately.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:43:12
Im thinking I may leave the case and just do the keys.
What do you think.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00267.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:48:35
They look even more chocolatey against the white. I like it. :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: andb on Mon, 29 December 2008, 15:52:41
Actually, the brown looks really cool against the smooth white. I'd like to see pics in natural light, I think its really good looking and a definite improvement over the melted keys :D
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:01:04
lol :D
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:03:22
I think if I had a keyboard like that I'd keep wanting chocolate.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:07:00
Eww, bad webwit.:eek:
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:08:02
Turn on your safe search parameters when you're not searching for pr0n.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:09:09
Not safe for home either.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:13:05
Good answer.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:13:06
Quote from: webwit;16454
I'm not sure about this link (http://www.chocolatemilkjuggs.info/images/crystal-chocolate-milk-juggs.jpg) (nsfw) that Google returned while searching for that last pic. This (http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2110521/61b3-main_Full.jpg) seems to be wrong as well (sfw).


Thats not nsfw, thats just wrong : ) and disturbing to boot.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 29 December 2008, 16:19:10
Quote from: webwit;16462
Will xphat's wife please not use his computer while he is away? ;)


Oh yeah, I forgot about her ...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 17:08:21
hey the dark brown looks neat! Kind of like a "wood tone"
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 17:10:41
Quote from: Chloe;16448
They look even more chocolatey against the white. I like it. :)


I like it a lot too!

Quote

The picture shows that it is the plastic that is the issue in this case.
Just look how dark the MX cap is on the end!


thats really interesting that the type of plastic makes such a huge difference.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:10:00
mother****er.
For some unknown reason the last lot of keys melted like the first lot.
I kept an eye and never let it boil.
I just ****ed my goldtouch as well.

Personally I do not recommend doing this unless you have a spare set of keys.
You could end up ****ed like me.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:19:16
Quote from: lam47;16495
mother****er.
For some unknown reason the last lot of keys melted like the first lot.
I kept an eye and never let it boil.
I just ****ed my goldtouch as well.

Personally I do not recommend doing this unless you have a spare set of keys.
You could end up ****ed like me.

Hey man, take it easy. Just fricking stop with the fricking dye, ok?
You are killing me with this. : ( Stop hosing your keyboard collection. : (
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:27:50
Quote from: bigpook;16496
Hey man, take it easy. Just fricking stop with the fricking dye, ok?
You are killing me with this. : ( Stop hosing your keyboard collection. : (


Done.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:35:27
I've done it with HHKB keys and Model M keys (both 1 and 2 piece keycaps).  Both worked without issue (and took the color very nicely).

I will get some more Rit dye tomorrow and give one of the AT101W keys a try.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:37:00
Quote from: lam47;16501
Done.


oh no - how long was it in the water? less than 10 minutes?
What is a "hob"?
was it on the flame the whole time? I think you're atleast supposed to take if off the flame after its reached boiling point!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:43:00
Hob is on an electric oven.
It was only on it to keep the water warm. Never boiling.
I don't know just bad luck I guess.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:48:24
Quote from: lam47;16501
Done.


Sorry man. I have been following your adventure for the whole day here. And most of it has turned out poorly. It really is time to back off and regroup. Before you kill off your collection : )

I hope the keyboards you lost were not especially valuable  to you.

cheers!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:55:32
Quote from: lam47;16513
Hob is on an electric oven.
It was only on it to keep the water warm. Never boiling.
I don't know just bad luck I guess.


i think moving it off the heat source might be best once its hot...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:55:40
Well the Goldtouch was as I have rsi and I got it at a bargain £35.
Ive asked the manufacturers if they could sell some keys to me.
Thanks for the commiserations.
Like Ella said if it had worked it would have been great.
At least I gave it a go.
Just wish I had quit before ruining the Goldtouch is all.
Ah well.
At least it wasn't my M :) (the only one with easily replaceable keys)

Today has been crap.

Found out that Das will not be able to supply any keys. So thats a bit useless.
Also I sold my Microsoft keyboard on ebay weeks ago and it never arrived.
Buyer picked first class (not insured) and now wants his money back (understandably)
I have no proof of shipping other than a till receipt.

Wont even go into my health. Needless to say I have to see the Dr tomorrow about things I really don't want to.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 18:59:22
Quote from: lam47;16521
Well the Goldtouch was as I have rsi and I got it at a bargain £35.
Ive asked the manufacturers if they could sell some keys to me.
Thanks for the commiserations.
Like Ella said if it had worked it would have been great.
At least I gave it a go.
Just wish I had quit before ruining the Goldtouch is all.
Ah well.
At least it wasn't my M :) (the only one with easily replaceable keys)

Today has been crap.

Found out that Das will not be able to supply any keys. So thats a bit useless.
Also I sold my Microsoft keyboard on ebay weeks ago and it never arrived.
Buyer picked first class (not insured) and now wants his money back (understandably)
I have no proof of shipping other than a till receipt.

Wont even go into my health. Needless to say I have to see the Dr tomorrow about things I really don't want to.


all sounds awful lam.  my sympathies on every count, really.

what switches in the goldtouch? Maybe geekhackers can take up a (keytop) collection and pass it on to you. after all we all benefited from your sacrifice. ;)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:04:51
Its a funny rubber dome board.
Thanks for the thought but nothing will fit but the Goldtouch keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:28:35
Quote from: lam47;16523
Its a funny rubber dome board.
Thanks for the thought but nothing will fit but the Goldtouch keys.


You have a link for that Goldtouch?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:29:48
Unless someone on here has a busted GoldTouch.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:36:01
WTF?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Goldtouch-306788-071-Ergonomic-Split-Spanish-k_W0QQitemZ120118196533QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item120118196533&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

this is the exact layout!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:36:25
I feel bad for the guy. He had a rough day. I would be pretty devastated to melt my keys like that.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:36:57
Quote from: lam47;16529
WTF?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Goldtouch-306788-071-Ergonomic-Split-Spanish-k_W0QQitemZ120118196533QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item120118196533&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

this is the exact layout!


BUY IT NOW!! LOL
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:38:00
He wants $46 to ship to the uk! I have asked if wellington would mind acting as a middle man.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:38:58
Quote from: lam47;16532
He wants $46 to ship to the uk! I have asked if wellington would mind acting as a middle man.


Cool, if he can't do it I can. : )
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:41:07
this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:41:42
Quote from: lam47;16535
this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.


Hey, today is your lucky day, well, sort of : )
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:42:20
Quote from: bigpook;16536
Hey, today is your lucky day, well, sort of : )


lol I guess so :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:42:42
Quote from: lam47;16535
this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.

120 pounds is how many dollars?

Oooh. Thats 175 dollars, thats one pricey board.

Even with the outlandish shipping its a deal.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:50:45
EDIT

They are offering shipping for 2 to the uk for $50.
Hope its not a mistake because thats good!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 29 December 2008, 19:59:10
Quote from: lam47;16539
Would someone mind ordering me one from here (or 2 even)
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
I will send money for the boards via paypal and then some more for shipping when I get paid.
Just want to know I have one secured if you know what Im saying.

Although they do have 75 available lol.
Still the shipping is high.
If anyone can help me out here I would appreciate it.


I just PM'd you.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Mon, 29 December 2008, 23:55:34
hey, i just saw this -- pm'ed you lam.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Therac-25 on Fri, 02 January 2009, 21:44:36
Going to attempt this on my remaining Unicomp Model M on the weekend (42H1292U February 28 2001, for those keeping track).  Going for solid black.

Any pointers?  I have a bag of old Model M keys from one that died (not a Unicomp, however), so I'll test on a few of those to get an idea of how to not melt them.

I'm not overly attached to this keyboard, and I have three real IBM Model Ms anyway, so if I manage to turn it into a pile of molten goop, I'm not going to cry.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: D-EJ915 on Fri, 02 January 2009, 22:56:13
somebody mentioned skateboarding earlier in this thread, inline skaters have been doing it for quite a while now, those "wood pushers" are always behind the times ;) lol

dyed skate parts (https://www.aggressivemall.com/Articles.asp?ID=143) video how-to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIniyplj0TM)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Therac-25 on Fri, 02 January 2009, 22:58:57
Quote from: D-EJ915;16978
somebody mentioned skateboarding earlier in this thread, inline skaters have been doing it for quite a while now, those wood pushers are always behind the times ;) lol

dyed skate parts (https://www.aggressivemall.com/Articles.asp?ID=143)


What kind of dye do they use?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: D-EJ915 on Sat, 03 January 2009, 00:21:53
Quote from: Therac-25;16979
What kind of dye do they use?

probably the same, not exactly sure.  They sell the stuff they use under their own brand here (http://www.aggressivemall.com/AMALL-Dye-p/dye-diy.htm)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Therac-25 on Sun, 04 January 2009, 21:11:58
Didn't get a chance to go through with this on the weekend, sadly.  Got the keyboard apart, had everything cleaned and ready, just couldn't get the kids safely away from the kitchen...

Well, hopefully I can get it done this week.  UPS seems to not have budged, so I doubt the M10 is going to appear tommorow.
Title: How much dye is needed?
Post by: andb on Mon, 12 January 2009, 07:27:39
How much dye is needed? I'm going to have to order from the UK and have shipped since I cant find any closer. So if I want to do 5 boards, can I just reuse the same dyed water or will I need multiple packets? Im also trying to figure out what to do this in, boards are pretty big and I definitely don't have a pan big enough to fit a fullsize board into... I think I wont risk the bathtub, I'd hate to have that turn black!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Mon, 12 January 2009, 20:28:25
Quote from: andb;17856
How much dye is needed? I'm going to have to order from the UK and have shipped since I cant find any closer. So if I want to do 5 boards, can I just reuse the same dyed water or will I need multiple packets? Im also trying to figure out what to do this in, boards are pretty big and I definitely don't have a pan big enough to fit a fullsize board into... I think I wont risk the bathtub, I'd hate to have that turn black!


I used a full pack every time...but didn't reuse it.  I'm guessing you could do a lot of plastic with the same batch of dye.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: zwmalone on Mon, 12 January 2009, 21:19:42
I'm thinking about trying this... Would it work on double injection molded keycaps?  Also, if I screw up does anyone know where to get ALPS keycaps?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sandy55 on Mon, 12 January 2009, 22:09:54
Quote from: zwmalone;17946
if I screw up does anyone know where to get ALPS keycaps?

This note for you, zwmalone, a Harvester of Keycaps.

Get AEK/AEKII, Focus 'boards. you can use alpha-numeric caps of those 'boards.  you'd better try dyeing with them at first.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: zwmalone on Mon, 12 January 2009, 22:35:07
Thanks for the info sandy.  I like the title, a harvester of keycaps :D
So this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-Extended-Keyboard-II-M3501_W0QQitemZ120351598860QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Input_Devices?hash=item120351598860&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50#ebayphotohosting) has compatible keycaps?  Supposedly there are 2 versions of the AEKII, one with ALPS Whites (with dampers) and one with Mitsumi switches.  Do both take the same keycaps?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sandy55 on Tue, 13 January 2009, 00:12:18
Quote from: zwmalone;17949
Thanks for the info sandy.  I like the title, a harvester of keycaps :D

Glad to know that.  I myself like the former.

Quote
So this (http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-Extended-Keyboard-II-M3501_W0QQitemZ120351598860QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Input_Devices?hash=item120351598860&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50#ebayphotohosting) has compatible keycaps?  Supposedly there are 2 versions of the AEKII, one with ALPS Whites (with dampers) and one with Mitsumi switches.  Do both take the same keycaps?

Strictly speaking they are different with each other. But I may say they are interchangable.
My vernier micrometer shows their hight ( shorter side of a projection within a key cap. dunno how do you call it ) as
mitsumi/2.25mm and Appl( and other alps caps)/2.30mm.
I've confirmed that each switch can accept both caps,

In most case, Mitsumi version is marked as "Made in Japan" just beneath FCCID number while ALPS version is as "Made in USA". ( off course there may be exceptions )
If you see a small  lettering "s" at the lower right of FCC label, it's a sign of ALPS with Dampers.  I don't know what does *s* stand for.  Silenced...or.... Soften?   If an AEKII board is without s, it has either Oranges or Pinks( a rarity ).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 13 January 2009, 07:14:43
I would imagine that if you have 2-color molded keycaps that you would not have any problems as long as the lettering was black (earlier in the thread, it was noted that black keys, and, therefore, plastic would not take color).  You could also get a Dell AT101 for keycaps as the are laser etched.
Title: Pan for KB Case Dying on eBay
Post by: sool9175 on Sun, 18 January 2009, 13:18:41
eBay has some reasonably priced pans for anyone who is interested in dying keyboard cases.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300272299472&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300272299472&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020)

To date I have RIT dyed a couple of batches of Model M keycaps with no problems. In fact, the results have been outstanding if the dye is keep just below simmer for an hour. After dying, rinse multiple times in cold water.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: andb on Sun, 18 January 2009, 15:26:26
Quote from: dcozart;18609
To date I have RIT dyed a couple of batches of Model M keycaps with no problems. In fact, the results have been outstanding if the dye is keep just below simmer for an hour. After dying, rinse multiple times in cold water.
An hour? Really that long? I was thinking it would be just a matter of 15 minutes.

Pics?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 18 January 2009, 15:29:08
I think 10 mins does it actually. and water need not be at simmer either IIRC. I've dyed t-shirts with hot tap water from faucet with this stuff. It might not penetrate as deeply but it was good enough in most cases.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 18 January 2009, 18:13:10
on plastics it does need to be quite a long time if you want and even colour.
Also the hotter the water the better the colour. However too hot and too long can warp the keys. Its very hit and miss.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Tue, 20 January 2009, 14:17:15
I started my first long-awaited Rit project last night (with my HHKBP2), and so far it's been terrific.  There's more to come, and I'll provide pix when I'm finished.

Some notes, if it helps:

You do not need to use the whole pack of dye powder.  Certainly, the more you use, the faster it will take, and there appears to be a linear (or at least linear-ish -- I didn't collect data) relationship between the amount of die you have in the pan vs. the amount of time required to achieve the deepness of color that you desire.  There also might be an issue re: "depth of dye penetration", which seems proportional to the amount of time that the keys are in the dyebath, but that's speculative.

I don't believe that temperature is too much a factor in this equation.  It helps to get it warm/hot, but other than that, just be cautious and keep it from boiling.  However, another variable is likely "how much plastic are you dying in a given run", but I was only doing two keys each time, so I don't have any data for that.  I'll be doing some in bulk later, hopefully tonight.

The instructions state that one pack is suitable for three gallons of water (which is suitable for a large volume of fabric, I forget the actual amount; I do believe that fabric takes dye better than plastic, however).  I used just under a quart of water, and while that would imply that I should use about 1/12th of the packet, I actually used about a third.  To help fix the colors, I also added appx 1-2 tablespoons of salt, as per the instructions.

I kept the water just under boiling (with the burner set at about medium; YMMV), and it took 20-30 minutes to get my preferred deepness of color.  So far, I turned my function key "Golden Yellow", and my escape key "Scarlet".  The yellow tends toward rusty red if it goes too long, while scarlet tends toward a maroonish black.

My wife (a chemist-turned-biostatistician, and a Rit tie-dyer in her undergrad days) advised that Rit dyebaths shouldn't be done in cookware that you intend to eat out of again.  (The Rit instructions, however, merely state that everything should be washed very throughly afterwards with lots of bleach, so take your pick.)  Personally -- because we share the same cookware -- I used a pan that I picked up specifically at a thrift store for US$3, and for agitating the water, I used a pair of disposable chopsticks.  

How did I know when to stop?:  I used the chopsticks to frequently dig out a key to appraise its color, and stopped when it seemed right.

Many thanks to iMav for starting this fun trend.  So far I've been having a ball.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 20 January 2009, 15:01:16
thanks for the deets and recipe megarat!  looking forward the pics. golden yellow and scarlet sound awesome.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Tue, 20 January 2009, 23:30:40
I'm excited about seeing pics as well.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Wed, 21 January 2009, 10:14:12
Rit Party:  Night 2

After some experimentation with more colors, last night -- it must be said -- was much less excellent than the night before.  Alas.

The overall message is that I concur with iMav that light colors are best.  All dark or even dark-ish colors tend to black over time, and they go dark really fast.  Light colors can sit in the pot for a long time and get really rich; working with dark colors is a race against time that requires constant vigilance.  Any lack of attention and tears will be shed.

Some more notes:

-- The color "Navy Blue" turned out anomalously weird.  It didn't turn out blue at all, in fact, but a strange mottled grey.  (This is on a white HHKB key.)  My wife and I are speculating about whether there is something chemically weird about this one.  We pulled off a lucky save, however, by combining these grey keys with "Purple" and got a deep royal purple.  Result:  I only recommend Navy Blue for mixing with other colors, to darken them up a bit.

-- Some keys turn out with coloring inconsistencies, specifically with a white streak or two.  So far, these have only shown up on keys with darker colors.  While this may be a sampling artifact (I have only made four keys of light colors, and many, many more of dark colors), it does lead to speculation about whether they were in the dyebath long enough.  The light dyes, you can soak them in there for a long time and get the key nice and uniform.  The dark colors, unless you under-dilute, they go dark fast, so some of the resistant spots stay white.  That's the theory at least.

Of the two HHKBs that I am dyeing up, only one of them will have a complete dye-job.  Partly because I changed my mind about the layout for one of them, but also I made enough unpleasant discoveries (and mistakes) that I'm running out of white/grey keys.  Worst-case scenario:  I might need to throw some more money at this project and get another set of keys.  We'll see how it goes.  At least I have more than enough black keys, so I can get it back to stock.

In spite of these setbacks, I'm still having fun.  Surprisingly, of the two of us, it seems that my wife is having the most fun of all.  I thought she would regard this as hopelessly geeky, but she's having a blast and is completely getting into it.  She's even happily picking up some dye for me today so I (we?) can experiment with new colors.

There is one more planned step in this process, which will hopefully be tonight.  My main computer at home is currently down, pending a carpet installation, but I'll ideally get photos up by the end of the week.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 21 January 2009, 10:27:27
Wow, I wouldn't have the heart to dye (thus, making permanent changes to) such an expensive piece of equipment.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Wed, 21 January 2009, 20:11:41
Quote from: itlnstln;19093
Wow, I wouldn't have the heart to dye (thus, making permanent changes to) such an expensive piece of equipment.


Note that I am only dyeing a replacement set of keys, so there's nothing permanent about it.  If it doesn't work out, I just swap back the original keys.

Unless you are referring to the keys themselves as expensive equipment, which would still be a fair appraisal.  That said, US$60 for the keys alone pales in comparison to US$250 for the board itself, and for me, worth the risk as a mod project/experiment.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sool9175 on Sat, 24 January 2009, 15:18:01
*** Model M and RIT Black RIT Dye ***

Using RIT dye and relatively large, heated dying vat, the Model M keys dye to jet black in about 20 minutes with very hot water (just below boiling).

In contrast, the Model M case does takes dye poorly in the same temperature water, and in fact the Model M case warps and becomes unusable.

Time to head over to Marketplace forum and place a WTB for a Unicomp...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sat, 24 January 2009, 17:06:38
Cant wait to see your pictures!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: kliclak on Sat, 24 January 2009, 18:06:04
On the off chance that blank black keys are no longer available from Unicomp I may wind up trying this with my black Customizer.

Even if the keys don't go fully black, a darker grey would still be an improvement over the light grey metallic keys it came with.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sat, 24 January 2009, 18:21:10
I tried a brown dye on some seimitsu arcade buttons and it looks OK.
Sorry the picture is not very good.
The colour is not totally uniform but its not bad.
The kind of plastic makes a huge difference when doing this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00329-1.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sat, 24 January 2009, 19:41:33
i like it.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 24 January 2009, 19:48:23
That brown dye turned out pretty good.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ashort on Sat, 24 January 2009, 19:52:50
What do you do with the dye-soup when you are done?  Down the drain?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Sat, 24 January 2009, 22:52:35
Quote from: ashort;19530
What do you do with the dye-soup when you are done?  Down the drain?


Speaking for myself, yep.  There aren't any specific disposal instructions, so if anyone knows if I should be doing something different, let me know.

Considering that the dye was made to be used in washing machines (and drained thusly), I'm guessing that this is okay, or at least not catastrophic.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ashort on Sat, 24 January 2009, 23:19:33
I'm no environmentalist...I was more worried about staining my ceramic white sink.  :-D
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 25 January 2009, 07:58:12
Quote from: ashort;19544
I'm no environmentalist...I was more worried about staining my ceramic white sink.  :-D


i remember once black RIT dye messed up my mom's tub (after I had dyed some t-shirts, heh). It took a lot of scrubbing to get rid of it. But if I recall it may not have been a ceramic tub (Might have been some kind of plastic, in which case it makes sense that it took the dye, I guess ;)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 25 January 2009, 12:21:10
Well I have another key cap to add to the 'just wont bloody dye' list.
The macally MK96.
Key was in the pan for 45min.
I heated it on the stove until just before boiling then removed it to let it cool abit.
I repeated this about 20 times.

Perhaps Im not using enough dye or salt but I am following the instructions in the box.

Balls.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00114-2.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Sun, 25 January 2009, 13:28:39
thats a pretty funny lookin' "salmon" key :D
Its great that we can all learn from your adventures ;)  

In this case it must be the type of plastic thats causing the issue. Odd.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Sun, 25 January 2009, 16:09:46
Quote from: ashort;19544
I'm no environmentalist...I was more worried about staining my ceramic white sink.  :-D


A ceramic sink will bleach right up with very little effort.  A formica countertop will also clean right up, although with slightly more effort.  My plastic utility sink, I'm not so sure yet, as I haven't really started the cleaning effort yet.  It sure is interesting looking, however.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Sun, 25 January 2009, 17:54:11
Sigh, I will have to spray it or something so it does not look so stupid.
I will collate the info I have on boards and how they dye at some point.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 26 January 2009, 15:29:50
some sucssess at last.
The MX cap from the Compaq took the colour well in hot water after about 20 minuets.
The Alps macally key above was also in the dye at the same time but only took a little dye.
I though what the testical and just let the water get to boiling for a second.
This seemed to change the plastic slightly and it started to take the colour quickly.
It has melted a little as you can see in the picture here.
However I feel it might work if the key was dunked in boiling briefly.
Its like the boiling water broke a skin allowing the dye to soak in.

I dont know anything about plastics so cant say if this is indeed the case.
Im sure someone will know.

:)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00115-1.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00117-3.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lal on Mon, 26 January 2009, 15:49:33
Looks cool. I'd like to see a panorama view of the complete keyboard with the red Escape key, please. And I'm very glad you've salvaged the MacAlly key at least! Very interesting stuff.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 26 January 2009, 16:00:12
It could very well have been a coating on the keys that got boiled off. Note all those keyboards that only yellow on the spacebar, that's because they're coated keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 26 January 2009, 16:18:00
Compaq MX 11800 have PBT keycaps. They are not UV coated ABS.

I did some of my own tests:

PBT keycaps on Apple Extended II and Compaq MX 11800 - no melting after twenty minutes on simmer.

Various ABS keycaps (including Apple Extended II space bar) melted after only 10 minutes on simmer.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 26 January 2009, 16:20:13
Chloe, how can you tell them apart? What kind of keys do Topre / HHKB Pro use?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 26 January 2009, 17:02:29
I will try to explain how I can tell. It is not the texture of the plastic but the hardness. Even thick ABS casing has a softness compared to thin PBT. The Compaq are easy to tell because they are labelled PBT but once you have typed on both it is easy to tell them apart. Also two more clues, ABS is more prone to yellowing and shine spots from wear. I have seen old Cherry keyboards with yellowed cases (ABS) and their keycaps have no yellowing at all.

The space bar on my Apple Extended II is very shiny but the keycaps are only mildly so. This keyboard is nearly twenty years old. If they had UV coating this would have long worn off (see Filco Majestouch) and keycaps if not PBT would have started to yellow.

Most keycaps are made of ABS because it is a cheaper plastic. My boiling tests have confirmed what I already suspected. ABS is too soft and has a lower melting point, and possibly won't take dye as well as PBT judging by Laurie's tests. After ten minutes the colour of ABS keycaps also becomes blotchy and inconsistent, but PBT is unaffected even after twenty minutes. Based on this I suspect IBM Model M and Topre do not have ABS keycaps.

From what I understand, yellowing is a sign of degradation of plastic caused by a combination of UV, heat and flame-retardant added to the plastic during manufacture.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 26 January 2009, 17:06:36
FWIW, it is possible to undo yellowing... it involves salon or lab-grade hydrogen peroxide (NASTY stuff,) some other chemicals, and a source of UV light.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 26 January 2009, 18:10:02
Quote from: Chloe;19762
I will try to explain how I can tell. It is not the texture of the plastic but the hardness. Even thick ABS casing has a softness compared to thin PBT. The Compaq are easy to tell because they are labelled PBT but once you have typed on both it is easy to tell them apart. Also two more clues, ABS is more prone to yellowing and shine spots from wear. I have seen old Cherry keyboards with yellowed cases (ABS) and their keycaps have no yellowing at all.

The space bar on my Apple Extended II is very shiny but the keycaps are only mildly so. This keyboard is nearly twenty years old. If they had UV coating this would have long worn off (see Filco Majestouch) and keycaps if not PBT would have started to yellow.

Most keycaps are made of ABS because it is a cheaper plastic. My boiling tests have confirmed what I already suspected. ABS is too soft and has a lower melting point, and possibly won't take dye as well as PBT judging by Laurie's tests. After ten minutes the colour of ABS keycaps also becomes blotchy and inconsistent, but PBT is unaffected even after twenty minutes. Based on this I suspect IBM Model M and Topre do not have ABS keycaps.

From what I understand, yellowing is a sign of degradation of plastic caused by a combination of UV, heat and flame-retardant added to the plastic during manufacture.


Thank you. I think I know what you are talking about. I am so hessetnet to try this on my Topre because a new set of keys is like $70 and generally suck at doing this sort of thing.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 26 January 2009, 18:11:39
Would make sense bhtooefr.
I might have a try at rubbing one with a bit of tcut first to see what happens.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00118-3.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00119-1.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 26 January 2009, 18:13:57
Quote from: Chloe;19757
Compaq MX 11800 have PBT keycaps. They are not UV coated ABS.


These ones took the dye fine.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 26 January 2009, 19:37:08
Quote from: xsphat;19769
Thank you. I think I know what you are talking about. I am so hessetnet to try this on my Topre because a new set of keys is like $70 and generally suck at doing this sort of thing.

I would be too. Is there any writing on the inside of the keycap? If not, I would first see how one key responds to hot water, no dye. I used boiling water from the kettle and kept it on the lowest heat, smallest hob. If it doesn't begin to warp or melt by ten minutes then it is probably not ABS.

I just did another test with Apple and Compaq keycaps, this time keeping the water near to boiling (small bubbles) for twenty minutes. The lasered ink in the Apple is a little lighter but the keycaps are fine otherwise.

For reference, melting point of ABS is 105°C, PBT is 221°C.
http://www.polymerweb.com/_datash/polylist.html
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Chloe on Mon, 26 January 2009, 23:42:20
According to this  (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/97517575/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0) article HIPS (high-impact polystyrene) is also commonly used for keyboard cases. Like ABS, it also has a really low melting point (85°C) and poor UV resistance.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: elmwood on Mon, 26 January 2009, 23:59:35
Anyone know how well Model M keycaps will do?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lal on Tue, 27 January 2009, 00:17:06
Thanks lam! Haha, looks sooo nice :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Tue, 27 January 2009, 05:26:12
Model M caps seem to dye well.

Welcome lal
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 27 January 2009, 10:12:31
Quote from: lam47;19771
These ones took the dye fine.


looks great lam
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 27 January 2009, 11:47:05
If I get some form of ARM-based machine that takes a PS/2 keyboard, I might dye the function keys on my 1391401 red. (Even though none of the ARM-based machines that took PS/2 keyboards were BBC models, red function keys just go with an Acorn machine.)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: FKSSR on Fri, 13 March 2009, 09:41:24
Did anyone ever end up dying any AT101W keys?  I'm thinking of dying some black AT101W keys completely black (so the legends are not visible - or barely visible).

I'm also having a bit of trouble deciphering the best method from this thread, but it seems like these are the basic ways to get the best results:
1.) Use an entire pack of RIT dye for each "session." (do not reuse, obviously)
2.) Do not boil water - heat to steaming (not sure about what exactly is right temp)
3.) Leave keys in until they have desired color (do not change temp)
4.) Stir keys regular and watch for any signs of melting
5.) Different keys take the dye differently

Thoughts?  Those are pretty vague, but it's what I've picked up on so far, from the thread.

Thanks!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 13 March 2009, 09:54:18
I tried the dell keys and they did not take the dye very well at all.
The key just became speckled and ugly.

Steaming will be too hot for a lot of plastics.

Its a risky business.
Try it with one key first to see if it works.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: FKSSR on Fri, 13 March 2009, 10:15:44
Okay, so, should it just be like "tap water hot?"  Water from my tap can come out super hot, so maybe it shouldn't even be that hot.

I may try the dye with one AT101W key and post the results.  I have to buy the materials first, though, so it may be a week or two.

Thanks!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Fri, 13 March 2009, 13:09:55
you can boil the kettle. let it stop bubbling and then use that water.
I would not go any hotter though.
On some plastic keys like those on the cherry keyboards tap hot water would work fine.
However with the ones on the dell you will need the water to be pretty hot.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Sun, 15 March 2009, 14:07:19
So it was about two months ago when I promised photos of my HHKB Rit dye-job.  Life got in the way, alas.  I wasn't even able to log into GH during that time, and returning for the first time since late January, it's good to see that my Asteroids record is still standing.  :)

Anyway, behold the photos, if you wish.

I own two HHKBP2s, one which is tethered to the home computer in my home office, and another which I use with my laptop and frequently at work.  Starting off, this is my "portable" HHKB:



Please note that I couldn't obtain ideal lighting conditions, and that the camera flash is making the colors seem brighter than they actually are.  Especially the blue, which is much more sedate:  more of a metallic blue than the neon blue portrayed in the photo.

I'm very happy with how this turned out.  I wanted the red escape key, the yellow Fn key, color-indicated number keys, and color-accented modifier keys.  I didn't want too many bright colors, or even highly contrasting colors.  I.e., I wanted the keyboard to still look like a tool, rather than an eye-grabbing trinket.  I did much experimentation, and this was the best color combo I could come up with.

For reference, the colors are:

-- Esc:  "Scarlet"
-- Fn:  "Golden Yellow"
-- Modifier keys:  "Royal Blue"
-- Number keys:  "Purple"

Now brace yourself, because the next keyboard gets a little bit wacky ...



I started with the color scheme of the portable HHKB and took it a few steps further.

The primary difference:  my wife doesn't like the lack of cursor-control keys on the HHKB Pro, so I color-coded the arrow keys.  Also, the tab/delete keys have colors from previous experiments, which my wife also liked.  I'm not crazy about it, personally, but I don't hate it, and it goes without saying that I like the color scheme of my portable HHKB much better.

I did lots of swapping around of those various colors, seeing if the orange or "wine" tab/del keys worked on the portable unit, and I was never quite happy with how they looked.  They always upset the color balance and/or made it look gaudy or cheap.  (Tab and Del are the same size, on the same row, so they can be swapped.)  For instance, I had originally planned to have an orange delete key on the portable keyboard, but it just didn't look right.  My wife loved the orange key, however, and it looked better in the tab position than in the delete position, so it lives there now.

One neat thing I did:  I put more than two keys with nipples on the keyboard.  In particular, now the "a" and ";" keys have nipples, which (a) feels much more natural than just having them on "f" and "j" keys, and (b) it provides some indexing for finding the functionized arrow keys when you're using your small right finger to hold down the Fn key.  Now, using the function keys is fabulously natural.  I'm wondering why PFU didn't think of this in the first place.

(You may notice that the "F" and "J" keys on the desktop keyboard are slightly off-color from the surrounding black keys.  This is because they were white to start with, and "Rit black" dyes a white key to slightly darker than stock HHKB black.  Yeah, the discolor bugs me a little bit, but not enough to spend $80 on a new set.  I'd rather dye the rest of the black keys "Rit black" to get them even, which may happen sometime.)

In addition to the above, the new colors on this keyboard are:

-- Arrow keys:  "Teal"
-- Tab:  "Sunshine Orange"
-- Delete:  "Wine"
-- "F" and "J":  "Black"

Some things I have learned about the process (much of this has been posted already, either by myself or others, but I'm mentioning it anyway):

-- Light colors work best.  Avoid dark colors, as they all tend to approximate black, and even a nice job of "Dark Green", when juxtaposed with black keys, just doesn't look very good (IMHO).  All the dark colors look muddy together.

-- "Navy Blue" approximates HHKB black better than Rit "Black" does.  In fact, I can't tell the difference between a white key dyed with "Navy Blue" and a stock black HHKB key.

-- The dye-bath becomes more effective the longer it cooks.  Even if it gets up to temp, the first key will take <15 minutes to dye up, but the next key will take only 5 minutes.  I think the dye needs the time and heat to really get activated.  Keys dyed during this time will also be have a better and more-consistent color tone.  So I recommend that you let the dye-bath simmer for 15-20 minutes before attempting to dye your non-experimental keys.

-- The above is very important to note if you are dying more than one key in a bath simultaneously, to achieve uniform tone.  (If this is the case, remove all the keys from the bath simultaneously (e.g., dump into a strainer), rather than one at a time, as the last key removed may be noticably darker than the first.)

-- When dying a key for the first time, always experiment with a key that you don't need, if you can help it.  Additionally, always dye only one key at a time, unless you really need uniform tone (e.g., my number keys above).  E.g., if you want to dye the esc. keys on two different keyboards red, do them separately, not together.  This way, if the dying goes awry, you'll only screw up one key instead of two.  My experiments were more unsuccessful than they were successful by roughly a factor of four.  (I have an entire box of "reject keys" that I don't know what to do with.)

-- You apparently don't need to add salt, for color-fixing, but it doesn't hurt.  Salt is important for dying fabric, so the color won't come out as much in the wash.  Unless you plan on washing your keyboard with your laundry, you don't need to do this.  (This info comes courtesy of a friend who used to follow around The Grateful Dead and make a living by selling tie-dyed shirts that she made herself.  Although I should note that I used salt myself.)

-- Trying to dye the HHKB space bar will kill it.  It will melt in the middle and warp.  I don't know if this means that the space bar is of a different type of plastic than the other keys, or if its greater size makes it less resistant to heat stresses.  I suspect the latter.  If this is the case, then dying space bars of any keyboard may be problematic.

That's it for now ... if I think of any other gee-whiz facts, I'll add them later.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Sun, 15 March 2009, 14:28:07
So it was about two months ago when I promised photos of my HHKB Rit dye-job.  Life got in the way, alas.  I wasn't even able to log into GH for what seems like an eon, and returning for the first time since late January, it's good to see that my Asteroids record is still standing.  :)

Anyway, behold the photos, if you wish.

I own two HHKB Pro 2 keyboards:  one is tethered to the computer in my home office, and I use another with my laptop and at work (the "portable" keyboard).  Starting off, this is my "portable" HHKB:



Please note that I couldn't obtain ideal lighting conditions, and that the camera flash is making the colors seem brighter than they actually are.  Especially the blue, which is much more sedate in real life:  it's more of a metallic blue than the neon blue portrayed in the photo.

I'm very happy with how this turned out.  I think it's lovely, in fact.  I wanted the red escape key, the yellow Fn key, color-indicated number keys, and color-accented modifier keys.  I didn't want too many bright colors, or even highly contrasting colors.  I.e., I wanted the keyboard to still look like a quality, professional tool, rather than a cheap eye-grabbing trinket.  I did much experimentation, and this was the best color combo I could come up with.

(Although I'm still trying to decide whether to keep the tab key black, or swap back the blue.  I'm pretty happy with how it is, but it continues to nag at me.)

For reference, the colors are:

-- Esc:  "Scarlet"
-- Fn:  "Golden Yellow"
-- Modifier keys:  "Royal Blue"
-- Number keys:  "Purple"

Now brace yourself, because the next keyboard gets a little wacky ...



I started with the color scheme of the portable HHKB and took it a few steps further.

The primary difference:  my wife doesn't like the lack of cursor-control keys on the HHKB Pro, so I color-coded the arrow keys, to make it more palatable for her use.  Also, the tab/delete keys have colors from previous experiments, which my wife also liked.  I'm not crazy about this color scheme, although I don't hate it, and I'm happy that my wife is happy.  It goes without saying that I like the color scheme of my portable HHKB much better.

I did lots of color-swapping, seeing if various colors worked on various keyboards, especially with the orange or "wine" tab/del keys, and I was never quite happy with how they looked on the "portable" keyboard.  They always upset the color balance and/or made it look gaudy or cheap.  (Tab and Del are the same size, on the same row, so they can be swapped.)  In fact, I had originally hoped to have an orange delete key on the portable keyboard, but it just didn't look right.  My wife loved the orange key, however, and it looked better in the tab position than in the delete position, so it lives there now.

One neat thing I did:  I put more than two keys with nipples on the keyboard.  In particular, now the "a" and ";" keys have nipples, which (a) feels much more natural than just having them on "f" and "j" keys, and (b) it provides some indexing for finding the functionized arrow keys when you're using your small right finger to hold down the Fn key.  Now, using the function keys is fabulously natural.  I'm wondering why PFU didn't think of this in the first place.

(You may notice that the "F" and "J" keys on the desktop keyboard are slightly off-color from the surrounding black keys.  This is because they were white to start with, and "Rit black" dyes a white key to slightly darker than stock HHKB black.  Yeah, the discolor bugs me a little bit, but not enough to spend $80 on a new set.  I'd rather dye the rest of the black keys "Rit black" to get them even, which may happen sometime.)

(In case you're wondering, I did this so that I could have multiple nippled-keys on each keyboard.  All of the stock black nippled keys went on the "portable" keyboard, and the desktop keyboard all got dye-jobs.)

In addition to the above, the new colors on this keyboard are:

-- Arrow keys:  "Teal"
-- Tab:  "Sunshine Orange"
-- Delete:  "Wine"
-- "F" and "J":  "Black"

Some things I have learned about the process (much of this has been posted already, either by myself or others, but I'm mentioning it anyway):

-- Light colors work best.  Avoid dark colors, as they all tend to approximate black, and even a nice job of "Dark Green", when juxtaposed with black keys, just doesn't look very good (IMHO).  All the dark colors look muddy together.

-- "Navy Blue" approximates HHKB black better than Rit "Black" does.  In fact, I can't tell the difference between a white key dyed with "Navy Blue" and a stock black HHKB key.

-- The dye-bath becomes more effective the longer it cooks.  Even if it gets up to temp, the first key will take <15 minutes to dye up, but the next key will take only 5 minutes.  I think the dye needs the time and heat to really get activated.  Keys dyed during this time will also be have a better and more-consistent color tone.  So I recommend that you let the dye-bath simmer for 15-20 minutes before attempting to dye your non-experimental keys.

-- The above is very important to note if you are dying more than one key in a bath simultaneously, to achieve uniform tone.  (If this is the case, remove all the keys from the bath simultaneously (e.g., dump into a strainer), rather than one at a time, as the last key removed may be noticably darker than the first.)

-- When dying a key for the first time, always experiment with a key that you don't need, if you can help it.  Additionally, always dye only one key at a time, unless you really need uniform tone (e.g., my number keys above).  E.g., if you want to dye the esc. keys on two different keyboards red, do them separately, not together.  This way, if the dying goes awry, you'll only screw up one key instead of two.  My experiments were more unsuccessful than they were successful by roughly a factor of four.  (I have an entire box of "reject keys" that I don't know what to do with.)

-- You apparently don't need to add salt, for color-fixing, but it doesn't hurt.  Salt is important for dying fabric, so the color won't come out as much in the wash.  Unless you plan on washing your keyboard with your laundry, you don't need to do this.  (This info comes courtesy of a friend who used to follow around The Grateful Dead and make a living by selling tie-dyed shirts that she made herself.  Although I should note that I used salt myself.)

-- Trying to dye the HHKB space bar will kill it.  It will melt in the middle and warp.  I don't know if this means that the space bar is of a different type of plastic than the other keys, or if its greater size makes it less resistant to heat stresses.  I suspect the latter.  If this is the case, then dying space bars of any keyboard may be problematic.

-- With the HHKB blank key set, the modifier keys are grey, while the others are white.  Dying the grey keys works pretty well, although in most cases it does leave a slightly dirtier color.  The darker you go, the less likely you'll notice it, but then again, getting a good dark color is difficult.  

-- Keys, even if they're from the same keyboard, take the dye differently.  Maybe it's damage during the stirring process.  Maybe it's imperfections with the plastic.  I'm not sure, but some keys will come out with streaks, spots, etc. that either aren't dyed at all, or (less frequently) are dyed too darkly.  Interestingly, the flaws are more noticeable and more frequent with dyes of darker colors, which leads me to believe they may be related to the amount of time in the dye-bath.  I.e., lighter colors can have a lot of extra time to saturate the key, while darker colors need to be yanked early to keep them from going black, and the imperfections don't get the exposure they need.

-- The above is very important to mind when dying multiple numbers of keys, especially if you want them to look flawless.  When I did my number keys, I dyed all fourteen white keys from the top row, with the hope that at least ten of them would turn out fine.  At the end, nine came out flawless, three had flaws that were negligible, and two had flaws that would probably annoy me.

That's it for now ... if I think of any other gee-whiz facts, I'll add them later.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Sun, 15 March 2009, 14:44:14
Quote from: FKSSR;24372
Did anyone ever end up dying any AT101W keys?  I'm thinking of dying some black AT101W keys completely black (so the legends are not visible - or barely visible).

I'm also having a bit of trouble deciphering the best method from this thread, but it seems like these are the basic ways to get the best results:
1.) Use an entire pack of RIT dye for each "session." (do not reuse, obviously)
2.) Do not boil water - heat to steaming (not sure about what exactly is right temp)
3.) Leave keys in until they have desired color (do not change temp)
4.) Stir keys regular and watch for any signs of melting
5.) Different keys take the dye differently

Thoughts?  Those are pretty vague, but it's what I've picked up on so far, from the thread.

Thanks!


(1) You do not need to use an entire pack of Rit dye.  For the powder packets, I would recommend one-third per session, with maybe 20-30 ounces (0.5 - 1.0 litre) of water.  For the liquid (concentrate) bottles, you only need a few ounces with the same amount of water.

(2) Correct.  If it starts to boil, cool it back slightly.

(3) I doubt that the "do not change temp" rule is that important, at least with subtle temperature changes.  E.g., if it starts to boil, just cool it down, and you should be good.

(4) Regular stirring is great, although constant stirring is not necessary.

(5) Definitely.  In fact, different colors work differently on similar keys, and imperfections/wear/etc. on a certain key may cause it take the dye differently as other similar keys.  The process is very imperfect, and benefits from both rigor and luck.

(6) If you haven't read my last (voluminous, with purdy pictures) post, I highly recommend that you let the dye-bath simmer for 15-20 minutes before dying.  Based on my own experiments, the keys will take up the color much faster (and better) at that stage than they do at the beginning.  (This is for HHKB keys.  AT101W keys may vary.)

(7) If possible:  experiment, experiment, experiment! before putting in the actual key that you hope to dye.  Failure comes all too easy.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 16 March 2009, 10:56:22
Nice to see you back Megarat. Great posts too!
Good luck with this everyone.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 23 March 2009, 10:04:46
It worked for once!
Cherry caps do seem to take the dye very well.
I have not done the case yet as I could not find anything suitable to soak it in.
What do you think red as well or black for the case?

I have left the photo with no corrections so you can see the colour well.
If you look at a key on its own they dont look great but all together its pretty good.

Mmmm red.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/laurie47/DSC00435.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ozar on Mon, 23 March 2009, 10:10:27
Quote from: lam47;25105
What do you think red as well or black for the case?

Just my opinion, but I think red for the case too, would be too much red.  Perhaps the black case would be better, or maybe even some shade of blue if you want bright colors.

That's a great job, though.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lam47 on Mon, 23 March 2009, 10:25:04
My only fear with a black case would be that it might look like a BBC Acorn :)
Not sure what else goes with red?
Blue might be nice.

Cheers man.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: FKSSR on Mon, 23 March 2009, 11:23:34
Nice.  I've been thinking about buying an Apple Extended II and dying the keys red and gray and the case black.  Due to the comments about the AT101s not taking the dye well, I think I'll have to give up on that idea.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lal on Mon, 23 March 2009, 11:56:06
Quote from: lam47;25105

What do you think red as well or black for the case?


Red!  A black case would make it look like something that wants to be "different" but not annoy too much.  Red all the way, I say.  If you can't look at it for more than ten seconds, it's perfect ;)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lal on Mon, 23 March 2009, 11:57:02
Oh, and good job, Laurie!  I wish I had some more free time for things like that...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: FKSSR on Mon, 23 March 2009, 12:27:42
I was also thinking of some kind of dark brown and red, but I'm not sure if a red case with dark brown keys would look better or vice versa.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wheel83 on Mon, 23 March 2009, 14:58:46
nice job laurie.  i would say black casing would look sweet.  although as is, is not too shabby.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: FKSSR on Mon, 23 March 2009, 15:14:51
Here's what I'm thinking for an Apple Extended II (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Apple_Extended_Keyboard.jpg)...

Basically, I'm going off the same coloring scheme as the M (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/ModelM.jpg),
Except the AEKII case will be dark brown (hopefully kind of "woody" looking), the keys that are white on the M will be black on the AEKII, and the keys that are gray on the M will be a dark scarlet red on the AEKII.

Thoughts?


The other option is just all black - keys and case... :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 23 March 2009, 20:07:06
Hrm. Now I need to decide what keyboard I'm gonna use with a RiscPC (I think I'm pretty close to buying one now,) and dye its function keys red. Just for the BBC Micro look. :p

(It might be the Fujitsu, although I'm missing the F11 key on that.)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Tue, 24 March 2009, 01:33:24
Hey Laurie,

For my $0.02, I would be extremely careful when dying the case.  It may not be the same type of plastic as the keys and deform from the heat.

And even if it is the same type of plastic, it may not hold up anyway.  When experimenting with the HHKB keys, the space bar crumpled when in the dyebath, and it was the same type of plastic (and at the same temperature) as everything else.  My personal suspicion is that the larger pieces deform more easily.

That said, I would highly recommend a reddish-brown for the case's color.  :)  It would match the wrist-rest and complement the keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Sun, 29 March 2009, 19:27:08
If anyone is interested, I just posted in the Marketplace forum my Box O' Rejects.  These are the keys I didn't use, largely because they were first-time experiments with colors, and some turned out very well, while others turned out pretty grim.  If you want any/all of these, PM me and we can work it out.

Also, now that I think I'm pretty set on the color schemes for my HHKBs, I still have some white/grey keys that I can custom-dye for others, if anyone is interested.  I no longer have undyed keys for the top row (sorry, no red escape keys ... although I can get you a lovely purple escape key from the reject box if you want it).  The remaining home-row keys are nipple-less.  The rest of the keyboard, however, is fair game.

The colors I have, that I would recommend, are:

-- Scarlet
-- Sunshine Orange
-- Golden Yellow
-- Purple
-- Teal
-- Wine
-- Royale Blue
-- Evening Blue

PM me if you're interested.  This could be fun.

(Since it takes 30-60 minutes to cook up a dye-job, I may charge a reasonable amount for my time, but I'm not doing this to profiteer.)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 28 June 2009, 00:46:27
Did anyone try dying Unicomp "metallic grey" keys?

I could see using a dark grey dying to kill the sparkle.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Mon, 29 June 2009, 12:02:02
Quote from: Hak Foo;99723
Did anyone try dying Unicomp "metallic grey" keys?

I could see using a dark grey dying to kill the sparkle.


I haven't tried this, but I have some spare Unicomp greys that I can experiment with.  If time allows, I'll give it a try.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: LEXX911 on Fri, 07 August 2009, 23:16:00
Hello.  I'm new to this site and pretty glad that I found out about it.  Managed to pick up an IBM Model M for $20.  It's missing F7, F8 and CTRL key cap.

(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/KAI_BRUNNENG/IBMMODELMOLD.jpg)
(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/KAI_BRUNNENG/IMG_1183.jpg)

Decided to try Rit Dye on it.  Navel blue didn't turn out that well so decided to leave it in and let it become black that way it will also eliminate the white letterings.  Spray painted the board with Dupli-Color Vinyl and Fabric(glossy white).  Couldn't find any other color.  Was thinking going black or yellowish orange but they didn't have any.  Decided to go white because I already have a cheap $10 black keyboard and is ordering the Steelseries 7G.

Not sure what to do with the other lettering but thinking going somewhere between Yellow or Red orange.

(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/KAI_BRUNNENG/IBMMODELM_NEW.jpg)


My goodness.  Rit dyeing is a dirty job!  YOu have to be very very careful with the dye especially the dark one.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Stevie Wonder on Sat, 08 August 2009, 00:32:27
Has anyone tried dying a case yet??
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Sat, 08 August 2009, 01:24:16
First off welcome to Geekhack!

Second nice job. I like it.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: LEXX911 on Sat, 08 August 2009, 01:40:57
Thank You!

I did a photoshop of the red that I'm going to use.  Oh boy. It's going to look like a Nintendo keyboard. LOL!

(http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/KAI_BRUNNENG/IBMKEYBOARDRED.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: LEXX911 on Sat, 08 August 2009, 01:59:24
Quote from: ripster;108134
How come the navy blue didn't work out?

I wished I had a second chance to do this over again.  The IBM Model Keyboard are fantastic with Rit Dye and absorb them pretty quickly, evenly and nicely.  The problem with the Naval blue is that you either end up with an ugly light color or a dark color(pretty much almost black).  So the timing was pretty hard trying to get what you want.  So I end up going black since the naval blue look a bit purplish blue which I didn't like.

I don't think I like the white.  I might turn it black.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: iMav on Sat, 08 August 2009, 04:22:18
If you read the early posts by me here, you'll see I mentioned that the darker blue dies the keys prery much black.

Stick with lighter colors and soak them longer for darker appearance.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: o2dazone on Sat, 08 August 2009, 12:30:43
imo

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3691/kb01.jpg)

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7255/kb02.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: JulienC on Sat, 08 August 2009, 17:19:20
Quote from: Chloe;76479
For reference, melting point of ABS is 105?C, PBT is 221?C.


Also keep in mind that adding salt to the water will rise its boiling temperature, so simply keeping the water from boiling might not suffice to avoid melting your ABS keys.
________
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Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: LEXX911 on Sat, 08 August 2009, 18:02:19
Quote from: o2dazone;108226
imo

Show Image
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3691/kb01.jpg)


Show Image
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7255/kb02.jpg)


Too late. I've already dye it last night.  I'm planning on spray painting the board black.

Will have to wait since my new toy Steelseries 7G has arrived!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sool9175 on Sat, 08 August 2009, 23:00:47
I have attempted to dye two IBM Model M cases to a black color, and in both attempts the cases severely warped before the dyd color absorbed much at all.

In the second attempt, I spent about a day slowly raising the water temperature. In the end, the second case warped with minimal dye absorbed.

In contrast, I have successfully dyed Model M keycaps to black and red.

I would strongly discourage any attempt to Rit dye an IBM Model M case.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: LEXX911 on Sun, 09 August 2009, 00:19:59
Quote from: dcozart;108347
I have attempted to dye two IBM Model M cases to a black color, and in both attempts the cases severely warped before the dyd color absorbed much at all.

In the second attempt, I spent about a day slowly raising the water temperature. In the end, the second case warped with minimal dye absorbed.

In contrast, I have successfully dyed Model M keycaps to black and red.

I would strongly discourage any attempt to Rit dye an IBM Model M case.

You can't really dye those case with normal household items.  It just too thick and you have a major problem because there are thick and thin parts.

I don't think putting a case onto a large tray on the stove is the way to do it.  Because heat distribute unevenly and the heat is too close to the stove.  I think a better way is to pour hot water on the tray with the dye and place the case onto the tray and push the tray into the oven on proper temp.  The better solution would be to avoid the case from touching the hot tray.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: pfink on Sun, 09 August 2009, 13:51:20
Quote from: ripster;108168
Has anyone tried dying the entire IBM Model M case yet?

I haven't tried RIT Dye yet but I used flat black Dupli-Color Vinyl and Fabric Coating on one of my Model M Space Savers last week and it came out great. Unlike regular spray paint any overspraying gets absorbed back into the plastic rather than glooping up on the surface. The color and texture ended up looking very similar to the black Unicomp cases.

Here are a couple pics:

(http://www.soybomb.com/ratpfink/keyboards/BlackSpaceSaver1-sm.jpg)




(http://www.soybomb.com/ratpfink/keyboards/BlackSpaceSaver3-sm.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: o2dazone on Sun, 09 August 2009, 18:57:42
flat black is lovely
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: pfink on Sun, 09 August 2009, 20:24:18
Quote from: webwit;108507
Very nice. Perhaps the best case paint job I've seen.


Thanks. I posted details here:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6759
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 10 August 2009, 22:58:49
I stripped my Customizer 104 today and tried to dye the keys.

I used one packet of scarlet Rit in about 2 litres of water (a small tin roasting pan).  I also threw in a Lexmark M key for comparison (in case it's the Unicomp plastic).  About 1 litre of water was boiling, and 1 litre "warm tap" to prevent meltage.

It didn't take well at all.  After about an hour and a half, there's only minor discolouration (makes the "salmon" keys look tinted).

Currently typing on my '87 1391401, and finding it's a bit too silent for my taste.  I need to make a sounding box.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Mon, 10 August 2009, 23:50:42
Yea the job Megarat did on the HHKB I got from him is just great.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 10 August 2009, 23:58:28
Quote from: ripster;108794
I did oven tests on the M and Unicomp keys (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6671&do=comments&page=5) and they can take up to 100 deg C it appears.  I think they are ABS (as well as the Topres) and the Filco/Logitech keys are polystyrene or PVC.

So I think you need to do it at higher temps - the warm tap water probably brought it down too low.

Megarat and Laurie appear to be the current experts on this whole thing.


Where do you get 100C? It looks like every key deformed by like 90C.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 11 August 2009, 23:06:19
Okay, what worked okay:

* Start with near-boiling water.  Stir and sit for about an hour-- light take

* Cook on stove-top, steam-but-not-boil-- for about 25 minutes-- deep, rusty red.

The UniCrud picked up no dye whatsoever.

Strangely, a Lexmark F12 key (I added for testing), turned orange more than red.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 12 August 2009, 00:12:15
The 104 of them were.  (aside:  On the 2009 Customizer, the Tab and Control keys were two-part).  One white Lexmark for comparison.

I wonder if these dyed keys will lead to finger cancer.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 12 August 2009, 05:50:56
Quote from: ripster;108794
I did oven tests on the M and Unicomp keys (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6671&do=comments&page=5) and they can take up to 100 deg C it appears.  I think they are ABS (as well as the Topres) and the Filco/Logitech keys are polystyrene or PVC.

There's no way the regular keys on a Model M could be ABS... they'd wear shiny fairly quickly, as seen on the space bar (which also happens to be the only key susceptible to yellowing).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 12 August 2009, 22:16:07
Typing on the newly-reddned Customizer now.


The metal-speck look remains slightly, but overall solid.  Sadly, F4 disappeared somewhere in the process.  I took the cap from the spare two-part key I dyed for now.

I took my red Lexmark F12 to work and slapped it on my 1391401 there, but nobody noticed.  :(
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: wellington1869 on Wed, 12 August 2009, 22:21:41
thats like a whole keyboard made out of red escape keys
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 12 August 2009, 22:29:28
Sort of overkill

Ripster-- I fear it went down the drain in an early dye attempt.  I just left the Customizer apart while I re-dyed.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Wed, 12 August 2009, 22:43:51
WOW Nice. This is making me want to try dying some keys as well.
Title: Great Failure
Post by: nanu on Thu, 13 August 2009, 10:04:11
I started out with light grey keys that I had sanded down to remove labels.

I tried RIT Tan and got a smoker's teeth look.
I sanded it partly away, then tried RIT Golden Yellow.
I ended up with some sort of a dirty mustard.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3748&stc=1&d=1250175709)
Picture is not underexposed (http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt296/A18E/emotes/15.gif)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: o2dazone on Thu, 13 August 2009, 11:49:46
iMav needs to mail me that esc key
Title: Great Success
Post by: nanu on Thu, 13 August 2009, 13:56:35
I'm just hoping iMav used an orange dye there.  Needless to say, black dye is hard to get wrong.

I pulled thumb keys from a couple of generic boards obtained from the thrift store and dyed them black.  The left key was originally grey.
The top two were cooked at medium heat, and the bottom one at less than medium heat.  The right two come from the same black board, except the top one was sanded.
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3752&stc=1&d=1250192080)
I chose to use the Win9x-logo keys after affixing custom stems (a bit wobbly but acceptable).

Rit dye also worked on my cheap mouse's casing.  At least now my RX 1000 (http://images.google.com/images?q=logitech+rx1000) looks pro, lol.  (http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=3753&stc=1&d=1250192080)
It turned out that the silver paint didn't need to be sanded down in order for it to take the dye, but keeping it would have made that section glossy.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Thu, 13 August 2009, 14:44:58
Quote from: ripster;109508
(true believers wouldn't be satisfied with anything less than sandblasting).  

I think I'm going to have to break down and get one of those sandblasters after I finish getting boards that is (got a few more I want).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Xuan on Thu, 13 August 2009, 22:04:54
Probably a very dark grey dye would be cool on a M
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sixty on Sat, 15 August 2009, 22:44:49

edit: does youtube embedding not work?

external link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OsR5bLNY58
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 16 August 2009, 01:02:33
I found F4-- it fell out before getting the proper dye job.

Since I didn't want to spend $4 on a packet of dye for one key, I peeled the keys off an old, hideously pimped 1391401 and did them too.

About 30 minutes at "steam and not bubble", and they took nicely, and ended up two-tone red (you can still see which keys were grey initially, as they ended as dark red)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: VCheeZ on Sun, 16 August 2009, 01:19:41
I have really been getting excellent results. Quality of the keys and quality of the dye is paramount. Here are some of my results... I have it down to a science ;) 2-shot molded keys are a dream to work with.
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o65/variablecheese/shared/IMG_0055.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: VCheeZ on Sun, 16 August 2009, 01:39:08
Royal blue, scarlet, sunshine orange, golden yellow, Royal blue/scarlet!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sixty on Sun, 16 August 2009, 01:40:11
very impressive results. could you please also reveal how long and how hot you cooked these?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: VCheeZ on Sun, 16 August 2009, 18:40:57
Quote from: sixty;110019
very impressive results. could you please also reveal how long and how hot you cooked these?


I usually mix the dye fairly strong, 1/4 bag powder or 1/4 liquid bottle to about 2 cups of water. I bring it to just a boil, add keys, constant stir, and remove from heat within 2 minutes, before it reaches a boil again. Then I remove from the heat and allow them to sit for 5 more minutes. At this point, I spoon the keys out of the dye mix to drop them into a bucket of cold water to rinse. Meanwhile bringing the dye back to a boil for a 2nd dip. One more thing I do that may help...I let the keys soak in hot tap water while heating up the dye. I figure this helps to speed up the process of the dye penetrating the plastic.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Sun, 16 August 2009, 21:04:03
I have to say I really like those blue keys. What I have not seen yet though is a good purple dye. There are the darker purple keys like those you have but what I would like to see is something bright like the blues.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: o2dazone on Sun, 16 August 2009, 21:21:10
Well they are double shot molded
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: VCheeZ on Mon, 17 August 2009, 04:04:35
Quote from: ripster;110137
Did I get that right?  You dye each key twice?

Yes. If the color hadn't reached the intensity I was looking for. Most are a pastel until the 2nd dip.
Quote from: ripster;110146
Speaking of double shot ... Vcheez did you Rit dye the red lettering on that Black ESC key or did it just come that way?  I'm thinking dying black doubleshots should result in just a different color key lettering.  The white in my NeXT keys was a tad yellow so I used some Softscrub with Bleach and it came right out.   Might have been yellow though from other substances I'd rather not think about.


Indeed...take advantage of th3e doubleshot blacks to dye the lettering!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lost eden on Mon, 17 August 2009, 09:34:59
Does anybody have any results to show for Dylon dyes (UK brand)? Particularly on dual-shot Cherry? I may have finally found something to do with that second dual-shot Cherry G80 I found, but might experiment with the non dual-shot G80 if its caps are made of a similar beige plastic to the dual-shot ones, just to see how things go - I would hate to ruin any of these gorgeous dual-shot caps (ripster might kill me too!).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: VCheeZ on Mon, 17 August 2009, 11:45:16
Quote from: lost eden;110185
Does anybody have any results to show for Dylon dyes (UK brand)? Particularly on dual-shot Cherry? I may have finally found something to do with that second dual-shot Cherry G80 I found, but might experiment with the non dual-shot G80 if its caps are made of a similar beige plastic to the dual-shot ones, just to see how things go - I would hate to ruin any of these gorgeous dual-shot caps (ripster might kill me too!).


Just a heads-up...the non-duals/duals do NOT take dye the same way. I have dual/non dual G81 caps, and the duals take a much more even dye and can withstand more heat for longer periods of time.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lost eden on Wed, 19 August 2009, 09:25:29
Looks like you can buy Rit dye on eBay UK, which I might do instead of experimenting with Dylon. Just got to decide on a colour scheme now! Definately red for [escape], maybe blue for [alt]+[F2] but I can't decide what colour to go with for the rest of the keys D: I quite like the idea of grey with black lettering & I guess I can experiment a bit as I do essentially have an entire spare set of caps... Maybe a photoshop mockup is required!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: clickclack on Thu, 20 August 2009, 01:56:28
Hi everyone!
I have been following this site for the last couple of months and figured I really should join. I am not too terribly forum savy so be gentle if I commit a few innocent faux pas.

First, I really enjoy the info on this site and find the members to be quite fun, interesting, and courteous.
And Second, I hope to add to this =)

So having said all that I guess I should say something useful in this post...ummm...
uhhhh.... I use a candy thermometer clipped on to the edge of the pot while on the stove. (i keep it attached the whole time) and I have noticed that most keys tend to undergo some sort of deformation at 170degF with prolonged exposure. Something like 5 minutes, however I have noticed that at the center of the pot the water is only like 150degF.

I am having tons of computer problems atm so putting pics up will be a pain...so please be gentle :S
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: nanu on Thu, 20 August 2009, 11:24:19
Question: I'm too cheap to buy more dye.  Do you suppose if I save dyewater in pickle jars it will work when reheated?  I'll be trying it for certain after I finish more kosher dills!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: clickclack on Thu, 20 August 2009, 15:03:35
Idunno... i would think maybe not?
The dye seems to create a film on/in whatever container its in when sedate. The metal containers that i just happen to be using became heavily coated in the dye and either it interferes with its potency by chemically weakening the mix or just stealing away the actual dye, or maybe both!?!

Come to think of it, even if the above stuff happens I would still think it would be worth it. Hmmm... adding a tiny bit of dye to liven things up might be better than using all new dye each time.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: clickclack on Fri, 21 August 2009, 01:24:02
Speaking of pickles I just found my favorite Pringles chip - "Extreme Dill Pickle", I am sniffing an empty can as we speak! MMMMMMMM...yummy =P

Anywho, moving on...
I noticed when I was dipping the keys (I have only been dipping one at a time) that if I did not stir them before I droped them in, the thin floating film would sometimes adhere to the key. This would sometimes result in an uneven coating. But if I broke that initial layer and dropped the key in it didn't get the blotchy look. I also noticed that I had to do another quick stir right before I took them out so the film doesn't stick to it on its way out. I am using Rit dye (powder form)

I started using mesh and/or tin foil with perforations when dipping a key so that when it was submerged it broke that initial thin film and seemed to protect the key from some blotchyness.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sggsix on Sun, 23 August 2009, 12:21:46
Okay, so I finally had time to do this.  Here is a picture of one of my Cherry Keyboards that I dyed.  

This process is easier than I thought.  The only advice I have is to do lighter color dyes first then darker dyes later.  This is especially important if you are using the same pot for all your colors.  I found that even if you rinse the pot many times, some of the dye will be found in later batches.  This is most evident if you look at my yellow keys which have a blue area near the corners of the keys.  Anyhow, I hope you like my keyboard!  Please message me if you would like to know anything else about how it went.  

Thanks

PS:  I used 4 colors on here of RIT dye.  Their names are:  teal, scarlet, golden yellow, and fuescha.  The fuescha and scarlet are similar.  The scarlet was used for my esc, f5-f8, enter, both controls, a,s,d,w.  The fuesha was my 1-9 keys and my space bar.  

(http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/iwait4umysweet/VID00011.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sggsix on Sun, 23 August 2009, 12:45:36
No, it's a cheap Cherry business keyboard.  I got it specifically to test out the dying process.

Here is a picture of my precious Realforce 101.  It is a crappy picture and it is not currently clean.  But, you can also see a snipit of it on my avatar.  I will make a nicer picture of it soon.  

(http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz245/iwait4umysweet/VID00012.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Sun, 23 August 2009, 22:19:15
What I'm really curious about is how well a dyed key takes to cleaning. And maybe how deep the dye penetrates the plastic.

does someone care to cut a dyed key in half to see? And test some cleaning solutions.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: keyb_gr on Mon, 24 August 2009, 06:13:22
IIRC someone already looked into this at some point. The result pretty much was that the dye goes in pretty deep and is not likely to come off or wear much... think dye sublimated lettering.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sggsix on Mon, 24 August 2009, 18:54:22
Quote from: keyb_gr;111547
IIRC someone already looked into this at some point. The result pretty much was that the dye goes in pretty deep and is not likely to come off or wear much... think dye sublimated lettering.

I haven't done this yet, but I can tell it's pretty heavy duty from just looking at my keys.  I will try to cut one in half as soon as I can to show you.  (probably this weekend).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Mon, 24 August 2009, 21:01:59
That would be cool. The reason I ask is because on this HHKB Pro I got from megarat the left shift key was scratched by a key puller (megarat warned me of this before I bought BTW). The scratch is shallow but I can see the original key color where that scratch is. That has made me worry a little about it because I really like the current colors.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: watduzhkstand4 on Thu, 17 September 2009, 23:08:58
Now I really want to dye some of my HHKB keys. I know we use Rit Dye here but what do people use on kbdmania? They seem to create some nice colors on their keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 18 September 2009, 08:13:50
Quote from: watduzhkstand4;118943
Now I really want to dye some of my HHKB keys. I know we use Rit Dye here but what do people use on kbdmania? They seem to create some nice colors on their keys.

I think they do group-buys on some of those keys.  They pay to have them molded in that color.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Fri, 18 September 2009, 09:17:05
Yea but I still have questions about where they get them. I've seen some of the keys they have and some I like and some I don't but still I would love to know where they are getting Topre keys from.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: watduzhkstand4 on Fri, 18 September 2009, 10:15:21
Quote from: rdjack21;118991
Yea but I still have questions about where they get them. I've seen some of the keys they have and some I like and some I don't but still I would love to know where they are getting Topre keys from.


exactly. But the thing is, I've always thought the purple WASD keys originated there as well, in fact any colored keys, even for the Filco boards, only Leopold has it and no where else. I think it's time for us geekhackers to make a trip to Korea. =]
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Fri, 18 September 2009, 11:21:30
Yea I finally found that wood wrist rest I would like to get for my 87U/86U and you would know it was Leopold that has them. Leopold is also the only place you can get Realforce keys but what they have is not a full key set from what I understand. I would want some blank white ones so I could dye them but I only see black ones.

Oh did anyone also notice Leopold also sales a case mod for the 87U it's a metal case instead of plastic with built in rest basically turns it into a wedge shape.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 18 September 2009, 11:38:41
Quote from: rdjack21;119018
Oh did anyone also notice Leopold also sales a case mod for the 87U it's a metal case instead of plastic with built in rest basically turns it into a wedge shape.

They used to have one of these for the Filcos, too.  They discontinued them, though.  I would love to have one for my Filco.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Sun, 08 November 2009, 02:44:58
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: AndrewZorn on Sun, 08 November 2009, 15:10:36
i feel like instead of risking $60 topre keys for this i should just ask that someone dip mine next time they are all set up to do it

im saying i will mail them and everything and even pay you if you wish
i just dont think i can risk mine
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: 42.tar.gz on Sun, 15 November 2009, 06:56:53
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5712&stc=1&d=1258289397)

I think I should try Rit Dye instead..

Although other (http://www.rc-racing.at/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=57) people (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=212853) had better results when dyeing plastics with Simplicol, it doesn't seem to work with Cherry PBT keys. :-/
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 16 November 2009, 12:46:01
Quote from: sggsix;111458
No, it's a cheap Cherry business keyboard.  I got it specifically to test out the dying process.


Was it a G83-6105? I used to use one of them back in the days before I went mechanical.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Tue, 17 November 2009, 12:41:33
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4112219203_7aa486c3ef_b.jpg)

This is my new bluetooth mini hack, made from a zenith and a igo keyboard.  As you can see the main keys from the zenith, especially the space key is extremely yellowed.  I'm going to try to dye them.  I've read through a lot of this thread, but it's really long.  Any suggestions or pointing me to some clear directions?  A lot of what I've read seems to be trial and error of what works.

Should I go red, or black for the yellowed keys? :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Tue, 17 November 2009, 15:38:28
He said that he had trouble dying large space keys, that they melted?  Anyone else had that problem, cause this Zenith space key is extra huge and I don't have a replacement for it.  I'm worried it won't turn out.  Is it likely that the keys will melt or be disfigured?  He said he rejected 3 out of 4 keys?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: AndrewZorn on Tue, 17 November 2009, 15:59:54
what a strange keyboard
that space bar is HUGE... no dedicated numbers, but only a few keys on top row?  among other stuff i cant even identify
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Tue, 17 November 2009, 16:09:43
Quote from: AndrewZorn;133372
what a strange keyboard
that space bar is HUGE... no dedicated numbers, but only a few keys on top row?  among other stuff i cant even identify

Yeah it's a mechanical hack of an igo bluetooth travel keyboard:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tAtxEqjgL.jpg)

They don't have a number row, they use function keys to access them.

The rest of the oddity is from a zenith mechanical f style with all the extra junk except the main key section cut off to make a compact:
(http://www.kpsurplus.com/img/full/b0232cb2ddefc3993ce9d9e1744cafcecc774ca4.JPG)

(http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Zenith-Data-Systems-Clicky-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ390115851952QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad4b77eb0)

You can see in my ultra mini hack thread here and what it took to wire it:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:7665&do=comments&page=3 (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:7665&do=comments&page=3)

The top two keys on my hack in the upper left that would normally be in the number row are now the function keys, they're a lot more efficient placed together and near the numbers than next to the space key.  And the others are ones that didn't fit in the normal scheme of the board like the \ key and caps lock and junk.  

The igo had rubber dome scissor switches, which weren't bad to type on, but was still no alps mechanical.  The way it is now, it's a dream, completely wireless alps mini mechanical.  I used real complicated alps switches from yet another board for the switches, not the greens the zenith normally has.  I'm getting use to have to pressing the function keys to get the numbers as well.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 17 November 2009, 16:12:08
Wow, not only are Ctrl and Caps Lock swapped, they moved it to another zip code.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Tue, 17 November 2009, 16:26:09
oops double post
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Tue, 17 November 2009, 16:26:46
Quote from: AndrewZorn;133372
what a strange keyboard
that space bar is HUGE... no dedicated numbers, but only a few keys on top row?  among other stuff i cant even identify

Yeah it's a mechanical hack of an igo bluetooth travel keyboard:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tAtxEqjgL.jpg)

They don't have a number row, they use function keys to access them.

The rest of the oddity is from a zenith mechanical f style with all the extra junk except the main key section cut off to make a compact:

(http://www.kpsurplus.com/img/full/b0232cb2ddefc3993ce9d9e1744cafcecc774ca4.JPG)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Zenith-Data-Systems-Clicky-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ390115851952QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad4b77eb0 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Zenith-Data-Systems-Clicky-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ390115851952QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item5ad4b77eb0)
You can see in my ultra hack thread here and what it took to wire it:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:7665&do=comments&page=3

Your post actually made me think though...  I wonder if I could enable a number key row by wiring in the function key matrix, and the number keys together to one switch.  One switch being depressed would then possibly activate both the fn key and the number key... hmm...  might blow the board though too...need to think about that.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Tue, 17 November 2009, 16:37:38
oops, tripple post..  God just wanted to add an ebay link and for some reason the board went post crazy.  I guess cause I went back instead of just doing a new edit...hmm.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ernestrome on Wed, 18 November 2009, 15:57:13
Quote from: chimera15;133272
Show Image
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4112219203_7aa486c3ef_b.jpg)


This is my new bluetooth mini hack, made from a zenith and a igo keyboard.  As you can see the main keys from the zenith, especially the space key is extremely yellowed.  I'm going to try to dye them.  I've read through a lot of this thread, but it's really long.  Any suggestions or pointing me to some clear directions?  A lot of what I've read seems to be trial and error of what works.

Should I go red, or black for the yellowed keys? :)

You could try retrobrite if you just wanted to remove the yellowing.

http://www.psfk.com/2009/03/retrobrite-open-source-problem-solving.html
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Wed, 18 November 2009, 18:41:19
I kind of want to see if I can dye them for future projects as well.  Those red and black keyboards looked awesome.  Kind of worried about the spacebar now though...

I think the key might be to double dip them so they don't get so hot.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sixty on Wed, 18 November 2009, 19:40:30
Quote from: 42.tar.gz;132624
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5712&stc=1&d=1258289397)


I think I should try Rit Dye instead..

Although other (http://www.rc-racing.at/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=57) people (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=212853) had better results when dyeing plastics with Simplicol, it doesn't seem to work with Cherry PBT keys. :-/


Haha! That looks so familiar. We even used the same source and hoped for the same results. Check out my video here:

Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 18 November 2009, 19:51:09
How long did those keys sit out in the sun?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: AndrewZorn on Wed, 18 November 2009, 21:15:57
especially the F1, it is not really an appealing yellow at all, it is old crap keyboard yellow
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: arfink on Sat, 21 November 2009, 00:21:07
So, don't know if this was mentioned or not, but doing dye on the stove=baaaad idea. The water is one temp near the top and hotter on the bottom. And the pot itself gets very hot. One idea would be to have a grid in the bottom to hold the keys off the bottom of the hot pot to avoid melting them in the dye.

Something else, which I don't think was mentioned. Yo-yo dyers don't heat their RIT at all, they just put in a little acetone to help push the dye in. Worth a thought, anyways.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 00:36:17
Quote from: arfink;134832

Something else, which I don't think was mentioned. Yo-yo dyers don't heat their RIT at all, they just put in a little acetone to help push the dye in. Worth a thought, anyways.


Now that would be cool if it will work because then you would not have to worry about warping the keys or a case for that matter. Do you have any links to the process they use for this. For instance how much acetone are they adding to the water. Warm or cold water? ect...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: M13 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 08:32:54
Quote from: arfink;134832
So, don't know if this was mentioned or not, but doing dye on the stove=baaaad idea. The water is one temp near the top and hotter on the bottom. And the pot itself gets very hot. One idea would be to have a grid in the bottom to hold the keys off the bottom of the hot pot to avoid melting them in the dye.

Something else, which I don't think was mentioned. Yo-yo dyers don't heat their RIT at all, they just put in a little acetone to help push the dye in. Worth a thought, anyways.


Also, we could try to use a double boiler to prevent having the keys so directly close to the heat source. I don't know if this has been mentioned or tried yet. I will be trying this with my white m13 when I can decide on my colors.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: arfink on Sat, 21 November 2009, 13:50:11
Use some youtube and look up something like "RIT dye yoyo" or something. It's really simple, and they're not terribly precise about it usually.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 21 November 2009, 20:18:04
Quote from: arfink;134832
So, don't know if this was mentioned or not, but doing dye on the stove=baaaad idea. The water is one temp near the top and hotter on the bottom. And the pot itself gets very hot. One idea would be to have a grid in the bottom to hold the keys off the bottom of the hot pot to avoid melting them in the dye.

Something else, which I don't think was mentioned. Yo-yo dyers don't heat their RIT at all, they just put in a little acetone to help push the dye in. Worth a thought, anyways.


I've heard that the Model M keycaps don't melt at all in boiling water.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 21 November 2009, 21:17:22
Quote from: rdjack21;134835
Now that would be cool if it will work because then you would not have to worry about warping the keys or a case for that matter. Do you have any links to the process they use for this. For instance how much acetone are they adding to the water. Warm or cold water? ect...

Yes, this yo-yo dying video was originally created by Houdini who passed away a few years ago.  I don't know how ABS or PBT dying compares to Polycarbonate or Delrin/Celcon.


FYI, if you think Keyboards get expensive, try collecting high-end yo-yos.  :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rdjack21 on Sat, 21 November 2009, 21:35:33
I've never looked into High-end yo-yos but when I was a kid I always loved my duncan yo-yo
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 21 November 2009, 21:43:12
If you loved your duncan, you'd really love what they have out now.  Machined Alloy, ceramic bearings, silicone response, adjustable gaps, 10 minute spin times can be done by anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gIHP1Dczno
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Sat, 12 December 2009, 08:08:01
Quote from: ernestrome;133806
You could try retrobrite if you just wanted to remove the yellowing.

http://www.psfk.com/2009/03/retrobrite-open-source-problem-solving.html

I ended up finally dying those caps. Since they're double shots I didn't want to turn them into steampunk keys.  I only have two sets of double shot alps caps.

It worked great on the yellowed double shots.  Tests I tried with single shots warped them badly, and the color didn't take.  Only 1 or 2 caps warped slightly of the double shots.  I did them black, and used a double boiler method.  It took about 2-3 minutes a dunk for them.  They look pretty nice now.  It's like black on black printing since you can still sort of make out the letters.  I'm hesitant to do the larger return key an shift/cntrl key, so they're still not too pretty.  Anyway, my blue alps hhk2 lite/japanese almost looks like the real hhk pro now.  I just need to find a top cover for it now so it doesn't look so raggedy.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Xuan on Sun, 13 December 2009, 00:29:02
Quote from: chimera15;133912
I kind of want to see if I can dye them for future projects as well.  Those red and black keyboards looked awesome.  Kind of worried about the spacebar now though...

I think the key might be to double dip them so they don't get so hot.


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Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: chimera15 on Sun, 13 December 2009, 01:11:49
Quote from: Xuan;141922
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lol They proved on mythbusters that there's more bacteria and junk in the dip already, that double dipping is basically meaningless. lol
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Xuan on Sun, 13 December 2009, 13:55:49
Quote from: chimera15;141932
lol They proved on mythbusters that there's more bacteria and junk in the dip already, that double dipping is basically meaningless. lol


That's what I say when we order Chinese at work, yet they keep *****ing.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Santa on Sat, 09 January 2010, 17:27:42
OK I'm interested in how this might work on my model m...

(O and btw I did take the time to read all 23 pages of this article O:)
Title: Klingon sayings
Post by: ricercar on Thu, 18 February 2010, 16:23:14
My wife bought me red RIT for Valentine's day. It is a good day to dye.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7953&stc=1&d=1266531675)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 18 February 2010, 16:24:39
Quote from: ricercar;159241
My wife bought me red RIT for Valentine's day. It is a good day to dye.

Ha! I love it.  Scarlet #5, huh?  Sounds like a James Bond movie.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 00:32:10
Good day to dye part 2 of 3
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7957&stc=1&d=1266559861)


(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7958&stc=1&d=1266559861)


(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7959&stc=1&d=1266559966)


(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7960&stc=1&d=1266560846)


Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 02:20:45
Good day to dye part 3 of 3

I decided to attempt dying the white portion of black double shot key caps.

Summary
White ink on the non-double shot Windows key caps took the dye, while the white plastic on double shots didn't take the dye. However, all ink is not the same.

In the following image,

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7961&stc=1&d=1266567058)

EDIT
In the following image, the ink on the key caps of the SPOS G86-16141 took the dye less well than the ink on the previous image key caps of the POS G80-6955. These keys were in the dye bath for 15 minutes, the final bath of the double shots, FWIW.


(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7962&stc=1&d=1266568968)

The red tint to the black plastic is DRAMATICALLY more visible to the camera than to the eye. I hadn't noticed the black plastic had retained dye on any key until I saw this photograph. Now, of course, I can easily detect dye even on the most subtle of the night: double shot black plastic.

post EDIT EDIT

I want to test the hypothesis that RIT dye loses effectiveness over time or when heated. There may be a sweet spot in the working lifetime of the dye bath, roughly the first hour over the heat.

Features of the final image here raise the question. The first 45 minutes of stove time appear to have darker results than 45 minutes starting 4 hours after the heat was applied.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7963&stc=1&d=1266569991)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 February 2010, 07:15:37
Strong, ricercar.  I like the red caps.  Personally, I like the color of the dyed caps over the Filco fire engine red.  Well done.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Frawg on Fri, 19 February 2010, 10:12:58
Can anyone hazard a guess as to how well the Chicony 5181 keys would take to boiling?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Fri, 19 February 2010, 12:02:54
Quote from: Frawg;159350
Can anyone hazard a guess as to how well the Chicony 5181 keys would take to boiling?


They should be well done and just right for the dumpster in less than three minutes. I wouldn't expose that kind of cheap plastic to more than 50°C.
Just a guess though, haven't tried it.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 14:20:03
D'oh! I forgot to describe my boiling process. I was denied the household meat thermometers and can't afford to buy one, so it's pretty much fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants. Before adding key caps for a 15-minute soak, I brought the dye bath up to turbulent (but not violent splashy) boiling. Then I dropped the dial from 9-in-10 to 6-3 range until only steam was rising gently: like gentle mist over a moore, with no liquid motion from the heat. Only then did I add the key caps.

Previous experience melting cheapo caps from a Goldtouch leads me to eschew dying anything other than a Cherry or IBM/Lexmark key cap. Which reminds me. I dyed one Model M 2-part ESC key cap last night with the first batch of Cherry caps.

To summarize: a bad experience.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7966&stc=1&d=1266610204)


(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7967&stc=1&d=1266610689)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 14:24:15
D'oh! I forgot to describe my boiling process. I was denied the household meat thermometers and can't afford to buy one, so it's pretty much fly-by-the-seat-of-my-pants. Before adding key caps for a 15-minute soak, I brought the dye bath up to turbulent (but not violent splashy) boiling. Then I dropped the dial from 9-in-10 to 6-3 range until only steam was rising gently: like gentle mist over a moore, with no liquid motion from the heat. Only then did I add the key caps.

Previous experience melting cheapo caps from a Goldtouch leads me to eschew dying anything other than a Cherry or IBM/Lexmark key cap. Which reminds me. I dyed one Model M 2-part ESC key cap last night with the first batch of Cherry caps.

To summarize: a bad experience.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7966&stc=1&d=1266610204)


The bowed-in sides are more dramatic to the eye than the camera.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7967&stc=1&d=1266610689)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 16:27:27
"i am contrite" - Chiun to Remo, Destroyer series.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: pfink on Fri, 19 February 2010, 20:45:12
I've had good luck with Model M keycaps using the following method:

1) mix the Rit Dye using twice as much dye to water as the instructions call for, and that's it. No salt or other additives.

2) bring to a boil in a decent sized pot.

3) remove pot from heat, wait about a minute, add keys and stir constantly for between 1 and 1 1/2 minutes, depending on how deep you want the color.

4) remove the keys and dunk them in cold water.

5) if the color isn't dark enough go back to step 2.

I'm expecting some double-shot Cherry keys to arrive this week. I'll experiment with those and post the results.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 22:35:58
There appears to be a difference in strength between liquid RIT and powder RIT. The following picture displays a dark purple, dyed from the dregs (maybe 1/4 inch) of a bottle of purple liquid dye. It's so dark the keys are (easy to read in photos but) illegible to the eye at most angles.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7972&stc=1&d=1266640346)

Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: pfink on Tue, 16 March 2010, 16:08:28
Quote from: ricercar;159541
There appears to be a difference in strength between liquid RIT and powder RIT. The following picture displays a dark purple, dyed from the dregs (maybe 1/4 inch) of a bottle of purple liquid dye. It's so dark the keys are (easy to read in photos but) illegible to the eye at most angles.


What was your water to liquid dye ratio?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 16 March 2010, 20:38:27
Quote from: pfink;164549
What was your water to liquid dye ratio?


I'd have to read the packages. For powder Rit, it was exactly the ratio recommended, possibly 2 cups per package. For liquid, it was the same amount of water (2 cups?) to an unmeasured amount of dye, around an inch in the bottle.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Frawg on Wed, 24 March 2010, 22:13:36
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/444/img6656l.jpg)

KB: Compaq MX 11800 lasered white caps
Colors: Golden Yellow, Purple, Royal Blue
Concentration: Medium for Yellow, very high for Purple and Royal Blue.

Method:
Toss in powder/liquid.
Add water - no salt, detergent
Bring water to just before a boil
Let simmer for 10-15 mins at low heat
Take off heat
Dump in keys
After 2 minutes, already 60% done
5 mins, 90% done
after about 10 mins, 100% done and very dark
drain, rinse, dry

Note, I did not do the whole strain and rinse x3; just one go. I did not own a strainer. Also note, the colors are much brighter under the camera than in real life. The purple and especially the blue are a good deal darker in person.

For the grey coat, I used dupli-vinyl fabric charcoal grey. I sprayed it a bit too thickly - it works beautifully but just be a bit more careful than I was, and never ever scrape.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: armenws on Wed, 14 April 2010, 20:26:49
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2j1ndso.jpg)

my first attempt. I should I read more instructions first but eventually it worked out. Warped under boiling, so I had to re-boil it and bend it back into shape while it was still soft.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: eunjea on Wed, 14 April 2010, 20:57:02
Always caution with temperature.

(http://kbdholic.net/img/IMG_3574.JPG)

otherwise....

(http://kbdholic.net/img/keycap2.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: armenws on Wed, 14 April 2010, 21:15:02
Quote from: ripster;172270
I think with PBT you have a margin of error.   So IBM, some Cherry, Topre you're good to go even with a rolling boil.

All other plastics BEWARE!

this was an ergonomic Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite. Came from a dumpster. Definitely cheap plastic.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Wed, 14 April 2010, 21:21:03
After my first melted batch, I tend to keep the water under boiling. When the mist starts, I turn the heat down. Works for light colors and dark.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: megarat on Tue, 20 April 2010, 03:26:25
Quote from: ripster;172270
I think with PBT you have a margin of error.   So IBM, some Cherry, Topre you're good to go even with a rolling boil.

All other plastics BEWARE!


Also, the bigger keys (space bar, shift, enter, backspace/delete) have a greater tendency to warp because of their long edges.  This will bite you even with some of the "safe" keys (e.g., Topre).
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: armenws on Tue, 20 April 2010, 23:38:57
just in case anyone is curious, that little red Esc was 1 packet powder, a little less than a cup (added more water as it boiled off) and kept just under a boil or slightly boiling. Dipped for like 5-7 minutes 3 times.

A scummy chunksplutter of undissolved powder was floating around and there was a paste of muck at the bottom too... There may have been some unevenness on the dying as a result.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Input Nirvana on Tue, 27 April 2010, 13:35:04
Anyone have thoughts on a white Kinesis Contour case being able to withstand a Rit-Dye treatment?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Wed, 28 April 2010, 19:43:00
it's only a $40 gamble, right? $40 for a new enclosure from Kinesis?

My contour case is softer plastic, and soft plastics are more permeable than hard plastics.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: zild1221 on Thu, 29 April 2010, 00:55:37
I just got my mx-11800 which is working awesome and I am loving the browns. I cleaned the keys and they are now pure white. I think they are whiter than what they started at. Anyway, I am debating on weather or not to dye the keys, and if so what color/colors to dye them.

I have seen in earlier posts that these keys dye very well. I have also just put the first two coats of a hammered black finish on the outside case.

The finish looks very good actually, and with a few coats I am not worried about wearing. I do not have the case on now and my hands only ever touch the keys.

Let me know what you guys think. My main color scheme is Black, grey tones, white, and a bright orange.

BTW, after typing this post, I love the keyboard even more. (first mechanical keyboard)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Input Nirvana on Thu, 29 April 2010, 01:20:54
Black and bright orange is a kicking color combo. I'm thinking of a black case/orange keys or orange case/black keys on my Contour project. You should show pics of what you are doing!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Thu, 29 April 2010, 18:26:03
Black and Red is a favorite among the goth. I prefer black and blue, but there are too many "Have you stopped beating your keyboard?" jokes there...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: zild1221 on Fri, 30 April 2010, 12:29:02
Well, the case came out charcoal grey which looks pretty sweet and it matches the font on the keys. I think I may just stick with the white keys charcoal case.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Pixel_Outlaw on Fri, 28 May 2010, 22:57:29
So, I feel compelled to ask, has anyone tried a leaving the keys in a relatively cool container for say an hour or two to avoid the danger of warping? I'll bet the color would take if the keys stayed in a container long enough with less heat. This may be the key to dying all boards.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Morning Song on Sat, 29 May 2010, 00:43:47
Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever tested to see how deep the dye gets into a plastic key? I'm curious as to whether, say, a white key dyed grey could be laser-etched (e.g. by IKBS), and still look good.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: clickclack on Mon, 31 May 2010, 23:45:09
It would work fine =)
Since they are pro's you wouldn't have to worry about focus distance (especially if they burn deeper) but just in case I would send them an extra key so they can get the focus distance correct quickly. You never know when some random guy is using the laser bed without using a focusing stick.

as far as testing goes...
Does having done it for a commission count? =P

It depends on how you dye the key but normally the water dye soak method (mostly what this thread is about) is very, very thin.

The only minor concern I would have (if I were you) would be with getting a consitent grey color, which is a slightly difficult color with this method.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Morning Song on Tue, 01 June 2010, 03:17:39
Thanks for the advice, clickclack. :) I'll have a whole set of keycaps to dye, only about 2/3 of which will be used in the final project, so i have some room to mess up. And i know how hard it can be to get an intermediate--i've dyed fabric before with rit. Just not plastic.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Morning Song on Tue, 01 June 2010, 10:43:35
I saw that earlier in the posts :) I'm going to be working with unicomp whites.

I maintain logitech keys aren't worth the dye they absorb anyway.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: hoggy on Wed, 02 June 2010, 16:19:12
After trying out RIT on some keycaps from Devlin, I've finally got around to trying again.

(http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae356/hoggyboard/CIMG1201.jpg)

Just a case of throwing in an 'amount' of powder into hot (ish) water, for a 'while'.  

Would have prefered a deeper shade, but I didn't want to risk warping the keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ZeNmAc on Fri, 04 June 2010, 15:03:09
Just a note.  AT101W's do not like dye at all.  I dyed mine black and red.  Eventually the red almost entirely wore off the top of the keys, and the black faded out to dark red.  I just recently re dyed the keys, and they look really nice at first, but I think they're starting to wear out again (it's only been a few weeks, I'll post back later).

Something interesting happened though.  When I went to dye them again, I cleaned them first.  Naturally I used soapy water, but then I poured some isopropyl alcohol over them (the keys were in a plastic cup).  The dye started coming out.  I poured the alcohol out of the cup and it was completely black.

I think I even scratched one key taking it out.  It didn't look like the dye went very deep.

Such a shame because my linear modded at101w is awesome for gaming.  I don't like the idea of dying the keys every few months though.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 04 June 2010, 21:22:27
To those of you that have dyed lasered cherry caps (mx 11800, 11900, etc) have you had ANY issues with warping keys at boiling temps?  I am ready to start dying two boards worth of cherry keys and I'd like to know that I'm not going to destroy them because this particular type of key is made of a cheaper plastic than the doubleshots, etc.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 04 June 2010, 21:26:27
doublepost... oops.  Ripster, I'll volunteer to cross-section my over-dyed model M esc key and take high quality macro shots of the depth of dye impregnation in exchange for a replacement esc key, preferably undyed, but red is also acceptable.  

bye over-dyed, I just mean the color came out a bit darker than the rest of the board due to the esc being gray instead of white like the rest of the keys, so really I guess it's dyed exactly the same amount as the others... which would make it an ideal candidate for dissection.  

So, anyone with a spare model m esc interested in donating it to Oqsy in exchange for a definitive answer to the question of "how deep does Rit dye get?".  I normally wouldn't beg for a key but I have absolutely zero spare model m keys.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 04 June 2010, 21:43:46
Sounds perfect rip, thanks.  I finally get a package from Aunty Rippy!

PM sent.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: winitlife on Tue, 08 June 2010, 11:56:15
o man... This site http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/ you guys r talkin about is gr8... now its http://www.itwinkle.com though.. actually i had forgotten their name and i m glad to find it again... they sure r the cheapest in the market.. one time i had bought HP speakers from them... their prices r for real!!! but they have changed their look so drastically...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 08 June 2010, 11:59:33
You know what else is the cheapest in the market?  Your mom, *****.


You can find cheap pearl necklaces there, too.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: winitlife on Tue, 08 June 2010, 12:07:06
Quote from: lam47;73238
this is nuts!
http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/golerkeyspan1.html
in this country the UK version cant be had for less than £120 thats UKP!!!
The only difference is the printing on some keys.


o man... This site http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/ you guys r talkin about is gr8... now its http://www.itwinkle.com though.. actually i had forgotten their name and i m glad to find it again... they sure r the cheapest in the market.. one time i had bought HP speakers from them... their prices r for real!!! but they have changed their look so drastically...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 11 June 2010, 11:57:01
Ok, ripster's replacement Esc key cap has arrived, so the dissection photos are on the way (have to recharge the camera to transfer them).

My impressions, however...
What I thought was a very thorough dye job is still VERY thin once viewed from a cross-section.  I have kerataconus so it's hard for me to judge precisely how deep the dye permeates into the key caps, but it's somewhere around the width of a human hair or thinner.  

Some details:  The key cap is from a 1999 42H1292 assembled in Scotland.  The dye job was done months ago roughly following the directions in this thread.  The key cap was originally dark gray, not the typical off-white (it didn't match my other red keys because of this, so I was fine with cutting it open as an experiment for RIT dye permeation into Model M key caps).

As I said above, photos on the way.  Thanks to Ripster for the donated replacement Esc!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 11 June 2010, 14:48:26
My gut feeling is no, not as deep as dye sub used in legend printing, but I'll let the photos do the talking.  They're coming, I promise!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 11 June 2010, 17:44:15
I'll just use one of the few you included in the envelope.

Thanks again.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 11 June 2010, 20:35:22
Quote from: ripster;192154
Measure your pubic hair before putting it in the pic(pluck the hair first please).  Average is about 25-50 microns.


Long or wide? Which wide? (Male pubic hairs are oval in cross section. Female are round. <- It's one of the only things I remember from reading Terminal Man.)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Fri, 11 June 2010, 20:40:58
what typeface is that on your new avatar, ricer?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 11 June 2010, 22:10:31
Quote from: Oqsy;192302
what typeface is that on your new avatar, ricer?


Typeface = Calligraph421 BT, (Truetype,  by Bitstream)
Font = 96 pt with hinting and anti aliasing


(Spanish key caps are going to teach me to touch type faster than blanks! Critical punctuation is rearranged.)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 15 June 2010, 14:00:10
Ouch.  That sucks. At least it's sort of Geekhack-like.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 15 June 2010, 14:03:50
That's sort of a nice marble effect.  If they all come out kinda pretty, it might not be all that bad.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 15 June 2010, 20:39:15
Sorry, my wife has commandeered the camera to copy vacation pics and send them to family and friends.  I may never see it again!

Nah, I'll find it right now and start copying the pics.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 15 June 2010, 20:44:25
TWAIN sucks, for the record.

T-Wayne also sucks.

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Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 15 June 2010, 21:14:46
Ok, here's one huge one for starters.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11160&stc=1&d=1276654430)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 15 June 2010, 21:53:49
[JohnWayne]You said it, Buster. [/JohnWayne]
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sealcouch on Sat, 17 July 2010, 01:42:26
Did anyone try the liquid rit dye? I couldn't find the scarlet red in powder. =[
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Sat, 17 July 2010, 01:50:02
Liquid works just as well.  They're really the same thing, the liquid is just pre-dissolved to an extent.  It's still VERY concentrated, so don't go overboard until you're sure about the results you're getting with the amount you've added.  It's easy to dye keys darker, but once they're black (too much scarlet red can get you pretty close to black), you can't go back :P
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sealcouch on Sat, 17 July 2010, 09:16:42
Thanks!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sealcouch on Sat, 17 July 2010, 19:27:39
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs198.snc4/38227_1556852920257_1203240051_31547607_7886569_n.jpg)
UPDATE!
(http://imgur.com/04Wqhl.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/t0saMl.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: lux27 on Fri, 23 July 2010, 03:41:39
I tried to dye the keycaps of a cherry g80-1800 (grey) using a german cloth coloring product called "Simplicol" http://www.amazon.de/SIMPLICOL-Textilfarbe-Marineblau-150g/dp/B0014D6DW6/ref=sr_1_45?ie=UTF8&s=drugstore&qid=1279874108&sr=1-45

I put the keycaps for about 4 hours in about 70°C-80°C hot water+Simplicol and lept the temperature, but they didnt take on any color

what am i doing wrong?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Jim66 on Fri, 23 July 2010, 04:50:39
Quote from: sealcouch;203712
Show Image
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs198.snc4/38227_1556852920257_1203240051_31547607_7886569_n.jpg)

UPDATE!
Show Image
(http://imgur.com/04Wqhl.jpg)

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/t0saMl.jpg)


I think the blue looks spot on. I'm not sure about the brown though..
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sealcouch on Fri, 23 July 2010, 10:00:16
yeah, I know. I wasn't to pleased with it honestly. =/
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 30 August 2010, 20:48:39
So I'm in a catch 22. I'm dying the keys of my dell at101w and the only way to get them to take color well is to get the water near boiling, but when that happens some of the keys warp beyond use.
What do?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 30 August 2010, 20:51:53
Harvest some keys from a keyboard that uses different material
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 30 August 2010, 20:53:03
Don't have access to any other "throw aways" :/
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 30 August 2010, 20:53:39
except for the other dell at101w, which ill try the keys and hopefully i can keep the temp better than last time
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: WhiteRice on Mon, 30 August 2010, 20:57:34
Quote from: ironman31;218404
except for the other dell at101w, which ill try the keys and hopefully i can keep the temp better than last time
Why not buy one?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Infinite north on Mon, 30 August 2010, 21:03:36
Get a cheap meat thermometer, they are handy for all kinds of things.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 30 August 2010, 21:04:12
Quote from: Infinite north;218411
Get a cheap meat thermometer, they are handy for all kinds of things.


yeah, im using one now
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 30 August 2010, 21:38:14
Some turned out fine
(http://a.imageshack.us/img841/8530/img20100830214122.jpg)

Others went bad
(http://a.imageshack.us/img697/8776/img20100830214144.jpg)

So I figured out that 200 degrees F is the best for the plastic that Dell AT101W keys are made of, and I replaced the warped keys with ones from the other Dell that I have.

And now my minitouch looks pretty cool.

looking at them now, they are a little darker tint in person.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img198/9318/img20100830223221.jpg)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Mon, 30 August 2010, 21:51:06
the flash on my camera faded out the lettering. They are actually clearly visible in person
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Sat, 04 September 2010, 17:56:25
I picked up some RIT dye for use on my new AT101Ws which should be here in a few days, but I couldn't resist trying them on my Customizer 104 first. I was really worried about how they'd turn out, and if I'd accidentally melt them, because this is my primary keyboard and I'd hate to have screwed it up and had to order new keys from Unicomp.

I took off the F keys, Prt Scrn, Scroll Lock and Pause, along with the top and right hand keys on the number pad. I used one box of brown dye, and put it in a fairly large throwaway pan on my stove mostly full of water with a decent amount of salt, and heated it so that it was steaming.

I washed the keys in soap and water, rinsed them, and let them soak for a minute in rubbing alcohol.

At first, I was getting almost NO results except for some dirty brownish grey keys, but I continued to let them soak through eating dinner and reading through almost the entirety of this thread. I turned up the heat a bit (from 3 to 5 on my stove, goes from Low, 1-9 and High) since the plastic supposedly had a high melting point.

Success. In about 15 minutes I have beautiful, rich dark brown keys that I suspect will look VERY nice on my keyboard with the black frame and grey primary keys. Thinking about doing the alphanumerics in black (Sort of a "Das"-y or Otaku Filco sort of thing, blank keys being the idea) and the rest of the keys in red (WASD in RED too, for gaming pwnage, amirite?).

Just letting them dry now. Only issue is that with the dark brown the text is invisible or VERY hard to read. It varies. Actually, the text on the side of the keycaps (like "Break") show up fine. I think it's the glossy finish on the side.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Parak on Sun, 05 September 2010, 03:05:20
Has anyone tried this with non-doubleshot keycaps from cherry G81s? I also wonder if there's an easy way to get plain white caps for some multicolor otaku... hmm...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ZeNmAc on Thu, 09 September 2010, 18:36:00
Has anyone tried this with double shot keys?  Like dying the white double shot letters on black keys dark gray or black?

Do you think it would work?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Thu, 09 September 2010, 23:52:07
Worked out rather horribly with the AT101W. Minor key warping (only a few keys, still usable), but very blotchy colors, especially on the side of the keycaps. Same temps as with the Customizer, which again, came out great.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Fri, 10 September 2010, 10:46:39
I found that 190-200 F was good for my at101w keys, nice even color and took well.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Fri, 10 September 2010, 12:10:27
(http://i54.tinypic.com/143oxa0.jpg)

Unicomp Customizer 104. Scarlet, Royal Blue and Dark Brown.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Stone on Fri, 10 September 2010, 14:13:30
Nice!

I'm quite tempted to try my Datahand keys but I don't have any spare at the moment :( Anyone know offhand which plastic they're made from?

Stone
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ManjyomeThunder on Fri, 10 September 2010, 18:31:43
Quote from: ripster;221692
Uh.  I would never RitDye expensive keyboards where keys would be difficult to replace.

Also, Rit Dye does not last forever you know.


I remember seeing other posts that made it seem like the dye went deeper on OCN I think. Hopefully it lasts a decent amount of time, at least on this kind of plastic. Can't imagine the color wearing off as quickly as Filco keys become shiny anyway, amirite?

Probably a good idea to NOT dye expensive boards' caps, though, like you said. Good thing for a lot of us that Unicomp sells spare sets.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ZeNmAc on Sat, 11 September 2010, 03:02:06
Quote from: ripster;221414
Another guy did it on Cherry Double Shots.  Works fine.  Watch the temperatures carefully since many double shots seem to be ABS.


Cool, thanks.  I may have to pick up a cherry keyboard to try it on :).

BTW, I've said it before, but the dye on my at101w's looks really nice at first, but wears off after a few months.  I dyed the wasd keys red and after several months they were almost the original color on top again.  The rest was black and now it's faded into dark red on keys I use more.  I already re-dyed the keys once.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Konkistadori on Wed, 27 October 2010, 15:20:09
Any good guide for dyeing HHKB Pro 2 keycaps? Im thinking to color white keys into red if possible into dark red like blood.

How long will that dye last? few months? years?

And if someone have spare black hhkb pro 2 keys i could buy them :)..
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 27 October 2010, 15:25:40
I think the topre keys take it better (deeper) than other keys. I cut one of the ones I did in half and found that the dye didn't go deep at all, even though it had a nice daqrk color
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ironman31 on Wed, 27 October 2010, 16:11:56
Mine didn't even go that far. I could rub off the dye if I rubbed it on a piece of paper with a little bit of force, lol.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: jpc on Fri, 29 October 2010, 09:52:29
RIT dye vintage ad. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sa_steve/2715555813/in/photostream/)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 16 November 2010, 18:58:48
|It was a good day to dye.

I've been attracted to the Japanese Topre board with yellow key caps.

(http://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/NG02Y0_01.jpg)

My cheap American cover of said keyboard:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13530&stc=1&d=1289956508)

One bottle lemon yellow Rit dye in steaming but not boiling pan of water. Stir for 20 minutes. Add another bottle and stir for another 20 minutes. I've come to the strong belief the first twenty minutes are the only valuable time period for vibrant coloring.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13531&stc=1&d=1289956508)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:20:57
ricercar: is that an MX-11900 with black painted case and a "enter \" keys mod?  ooo it also looks like the left shift was made into a single space and another key inserted... perhaps just an MX from another region?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 16 November 2010, 19:29:32
Was a $24 USD NIB Black 11900 with Spanish-localized layout and double-shot caps. I swapped out the Spanish-legended double shots for white (now yellow) US caps, and yellow-legended arrows from Spolia Optima's grey double shot gift set to me.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Tue, 16 November 2010, 21:16:10
good answer :D
those arrows look rather dolch-ish with yellow instead of white.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: ricercar on Wed, 17 November 2010, 18:16:18
Quote from: ripster;247933
Sorry, had to plug it in anyway and makes sure it worked....

And it pulses!


Perfect line to use with the wife.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bettablue on Sat, 26 February 2011, 19:24:48
Quote from: wellington1869;72150
I'd like color suggestions too. I'm bad at designing, though I can recognize a great design when I see one :)

What colors are you guys thinking of dying (those of you who are thinking of dying (dye-ing?)).  So far I know I'll do one as charcoal black with either a red or yellow escape key, but I have at least 3 boards could dye, lol.

(Omg, I just realized that I could color-code my entire autohotkey profile and shortcuts onto my keyboard! Lol, thats awesome)
I would love to see a model M in an all black case with a combination of colored keys.  I think having the number pad done in red while the rest of the "white: keys in yellow would be striking.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: crowstar on Sat, 05 March 2011, 06:21:24
Quote from: bettablue;301533
I would love to see a model M in an all black case with a combination of colored keys.  I think having the number pad done in red while the rest of the "white: keys in yellow would be striking.


Might do that when my one arrives, but here in the uk I can't get rit dye that quick, does any powder dye work? Or any liquid dye? thanks!
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: sixty on Sat, 05 March 2011, 09:51:52
Quote from: crowstar;305427
Might do that when my one arrives, but here in the uk I can't get rit dye that quick, does any powder dye work? Or any liquid dye? thanks!


I dare you to try.

Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: theferenc on Sat, 05 March 2011, 10:09:30
Quote from: bettablue;301533
I would love to see a model M in an all black case with a combination of colored keys.  I think having the number pad done in red while the rest of the "white: keys in yellow would be striking.


Mine is a black customizer with red "white" keys and purple "grey" keys. I'ts not for everyone, but I rather like it.

I have full sets of keys in yellow, blue, red, and purple, so I can mix and match to my heart's content.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Lethal Squirrel on Sat, 05 March 2011, 10:17:00
Quote from: sixty;305511
I dare you to try.



did you forget to add salt?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bpiphany on Sat, 05 March 2011, 10:55:14
I bought some rit dye online from http://www.spinblessing.com/ Shipping was of course a lot but it still wasn't very expensive. They were ultrafast too. Haven't gotten around to try it out yet though =P
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: guilleguillaume on Sat, 05 March 2011, 13:06:10
Do you think the Wheel from a mouse can be dyed like those keycaps?

It must be funny to dye my Steelseries Kinzu Wheel but don't know if it will be destroyed or something because of the high temperatures.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 08 July 2011, 21:58:39
Does the rit work on grey keys well? i was looking to dye my model m keys...i would prefer to dye the keys red and not have a darker red... or how would you guys go about this?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: theferenc on Sat, 09 July 2011, 22:06:57
If you dye them all in the same lot, the grey ones will be a darker, one could almost say richer, tone. It's not quite as much darker as the grey is relative to the white, but it's pretty close. I'll dig some up and post pictures, if you want. I've got quite a few colored keys for my Model Ms.
Title: My custom dye/paint job.
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Sun, 17 July 2011, 16:01:16
Alright, ladies and gents... I pulled the trigger.  I took my Compaq 11800 and did a paint and dye job.  I'm not completely done (local store didn't have one of the colors I was hoping to have), but it's very close.
Originally, this was a standard beige keyboard... fairly light, actually.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]21206[/ATTACH]
The keys took the dye REALLY well.  My method: First, I cleaned the keys (which are all PBT) in a pot, covering them in 91% isopropyl alcohol, stirring with the chopsticks.  I rinsed them with tap water and shook the excess water off before I started the rest.  I wanted to make sure I got all the oils off before dying them.  After that, start a pot (about 2 cups) of water on the stove, throw 1.5 cups water into the microwave for 3.5 min (bubbling), drop the dye into the microwaved water, mix with chopsticks to disolve, pour into hot (not boiling, but steaming) water in the pot, immediately dump keys in.  I set the timer on the microwave for 15 minutes, checking the color ever 15 seconds or so.  The green took the color in 2.25 minutes!  It got to the exact color I wanted... any more time and it would have been too dark.  The brown took about 2.5 minutes to reach the desired chocolatey color.  I used the chopsticks to check the color and to stir CONSTANTLY.  Since I already knew they were where I wanted them (I was taking one out and dropping it in cold water every 15 seconds, after all), I just dumped the dye and all into a collander and rinsed them with cold tap water, stirring with the chopsticks, then with my hands to make sure to get all the dye off and stop the staining process.  I like they way they turned out.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]21207[/ATTACH]
So I painted the space bar (it's ABS) and the case (also ABS) with DupliColor Fabric and Vinyl paint, which I got from an earlier post (thanks!).  It soaks right into the plastic, so the overspray isn't a problem at all.  I used Desert Sand for the case and Flat Black for the space, tenkey 0, tenkey enter and tenkey plus as well as the mouse buttons.
EDIT: I added these pictures and removed the others.  I was finally able to get a decently close color match.  The frame proved difficult, but that white sheet of paper helped me nail it down.  The browns are very chocolatey, which may or may not come across here. /Edit.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]21549[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]21545[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]21546[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]21547[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]21544[/ATTACH]
The only thing I want to do now is the Esc, Insert (I type Dvorak, so CTRL-Insert/ Shift-Insert are my preferred copy-paste combo) and Pause/Break (I wanted a third key and it's spaced out enough to fit my need) keys in some vibrant shade... I was thinking either red (kinda standard, right?) or orange.  I may even forgo the bright orange and go for a more burnt umber-type color.  I'll mock it up in Gimp and see.  So what do you think?  I like the way it turned out.  (for the record, no, I'm not a redneck and no, I wasn't going for a camo theme... the khaki and chocolate (and obviously black) bits will go well with yellow or orange keys in the body... I might even get by with some blues in there... I mostly wanted a sort of khaki-pants-this-goes-with-everything look.)
I'm happy with it, for sure.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 17 July 2011, 23:03:06
That's pretty impressive. You make it sound so easy, and it looks so great! I'm curious how the case and spacebar will hold up. You say the paint "absorbs" into the plastic?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 18 July 2011, 01:54:43
Looks awesome.  I'll be trying this out soon on a cheapie keyboard scavenged from the free rack at work.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Mon, 18 July 2011, 03:22:02
Quote from: input nirvana;382372
That's pretty impressive. You make it sound so easy, and it looks so great! I'm curious how the case and spacebar will hold up. You say the paint "absorbs" into the plastic?

Thanks for the compliments!  As for soaking in, well it sure seems to.  I did an overspray test on the bottom plate, to see what would happen if i tried to get it to run.... it wouldn't run.  Oh, I'm sure I could have made it run, if I'd been stupid about it, but in a normal use case (like all those runs I get on every friggin piece of material I try to spray), it seems to just soak right in.  The parts I sprayed with it also seem to have kept their original texture (much like the dyed keys).  I'm not sure what property of the spray causes that, but it sure gives even results.  Someone else on this thread suggested it, so I have to give them all the credit.  You can find the stuff at Advanced Auto Parts and places like it.  It's pretty expensive at almost $8/can, but the results are worth it IMO.
I forgot to mention in my op that I took a cotton ball and rubbed the entire frame down with 91% isopropyl before I sprayed it.  I'm not sure if that opens up the plastic or what, but it sure didn't take any time for the keys to stain.
One more thing; I mentioned it earlier, and it's been covered exhaustively in this thread, but be sure that any keys you're going to drop into the dye are PBT and not ABS plastic (you should see them labeled on the non-visible sides) as the ABS has a very low melting point and WILL warp and break (see poor lam47's destroyed keys for examples).  You may as well skip even trying with the larger pieces (spacebar and frame) as these seem to be made almost exclusively of ABS (and who has a pot big enough for a keyboard frame??  also, that may dilute the dye too much).
YMMV, but I got VERY even results with the alcohol pre-bath (maybe 45 seconds of agitation and then rinse them off).  Best of luck to anybody else that wants to try.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Oqsy on Mon, 18 July 2011, 10:19:38
I used alcohol presoak as well on IBM key caps and it worked very well.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Wed, 20 July 2011, 13:08:18
BUMP: Edited my post on page 46... the pictures I had on it were terrible... these new ones are much better.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 20 July 2011, 13:18:46
@JustCallMeCrash, I actually really like the white Escape key.  Kind of like a reverse-contrast red ESC.  Are you going to color it?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Fri, 22 July 2011, 12:51:24
@ripster:  where's the fun in that??  I think you get more out of the whole than you would get out of my post.  Surely everyone needs to see the bit where lam47 melted his keys... that's crucial.  Your parts about ABS melting points vs PBT melting points was invaluable, too... kept me from warping my frame and spacebar.

@hashbaz: I haven't colored it yet... I actually have some blanks coming of various colors... I'm going to try those out in it and see how I feel... it may stay white, it's grown on me.

I just got an 11900 today from Gwb by way of his Closet Cleanout thread and I'll be modding it as well.  One difference I noticed immediately, this spacebar is PBT... I'll try dying it for a few minutes, but if it doesn't take it rather quickly, it will get the DupliColor treatment.  I'm THINKING of a Navyblue/Red theme on this... inspiration goes to TheCaptain (http://simpledesktops.com/browse/desktops/2011/jul/21/captain/).  Wait... WTF... why are all my boards turning military?  Damn.  Open for suggestions on the theme for the new board.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Retox on Sat, 22 October 2011, 18:14:23
I'm not sure if anybody has posted this yet, but lacrosse players have been dying the plastic heads of their stick with RIT dye for as long as the plastic-head technology has existed. When I played lacrosse I used it.

The fact that four seasons after I had dyed my head a navy and white pattern, there was no white showing through the blue should speak to its durability.

Here are some examples. (http://www.e-lacrosse.com/stech9.html)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 06 November 2011, 13:13:06
I have been trying to dye some Cherry PBT keys black, using liquid RIT dye, but without any success. I boiled the dye and keys for 15 minutes, and then let simmer for 45. All I got was a "terracotta" (reddish brown) colour.
What could I have done wrong? Too little dye? Too high temperature?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: fossala on Sun, 06 November 2011, 13:15:24
Did you clean them first?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 06 November 2011, 13:45:55
I wiped the key caps with IPA before dropping them in ... Do they really have to be soaked in IPA?
BTW. The colour is not splotchy -- it is a very even "mud brick" colour.

The dye was bought on eBay because Rit is not available locally. Naturally, I wonder if have been scammed ...
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: mcsnails on Mon, 07 November 2011, 10:51:34
Quote from: Findecanor;446775
All I got was a "terracotta" (reddish brown) colour.
What could I have done wrong? Too little dye? Too high temperature?

I had a similar issue using navy blue liquid dye on PBT keys, which resulted in a pink-ish color.  I then purchased a box of powdered green dye to use on another set of keys, and that worked great.  I would recommend trying powdered dye rather than buying another bottle of liquid.  And as long as the temperature is ~200 then you shouldn't have any issues.

update: just used a box of navy blue dye and the keys came out great....must be liquid dye having issues with keycaps
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Sat, 12 November 2011, 11:28:53
It is.

If you have liquid dye, go ahead and just toss it. Besides the really light colors like sunshine orange or yellow those things are worthless from what I've done.

Also, all of my keys were washed in the dishwasher and then dumped straight in. Don't know if the alcohol does any extra prep stuff or not.

For black I'd use one navy and one black box, were I to do that again.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rich0d on Fri, 02 December 2011, 07:13:09
Just ordered 2 packs of black, and 1 purple. Also found somewhere in the UK which does vinyl based spray paint. Going to go with a dark gray (or black, depends on what the gray looks like) case, black keys, and purple modifiers. Then all I need to do is get a decepticon keycap from either feng or qtan, and I'm set for my decepticon-tastic keyboard.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: byFd on Fri, 02 December 2011, 16:38:54
Quote from: rich0d;462708
Just ordered 2 packs of black, and 1 purple. Also found somewhere in the UK which does vinyl based spray paint. Going to go with a dark gray (or black, depends on what the gray looks like) case, black keys, and purple modifiers. Then all I need to do is get a decepticon keycap from either feng or qtan, and I'm set for my decepticon-tastic keyboard.


please provide pictures once you are done. <3 purple
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: rich0d on Wed, 07 December 2011, 06:15:09
Will do, still trying to decide what I want purple. :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: transcend3nt on Thu, 08 December 2011, 07:14:53
are u guys using the powder version?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 15 December 2011, 05:35:37
wow i just freakin spent a few hours to read through all 48 pages before trying this. i'll post pics once i'm done
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: GeorgeStorm on Thu, 15 December 2011, 07:26:05
Finally got to the end of this thread, may try this out on my ducky keys once i get my replacements since I think they will be PBT?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: elogical on Thu, 22 December 2011, 23:07:39
ok, wow. I spent hours reading almost all of this and a little bit elsewhere online.

Then I wasted the last 2 hours of my life trying to dye model M keys with liquid "sunshine orange" rit dye. I kept going to progressively hotter temps and kept getting no effect. At the end I went 10 min at a rolling boil and they only have a slight tint. Maybe it wasn't long enough or maybe I need the powder like a few people mentioned. Or maybe I should just give up and buy colored keys :)
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: bootstrap on Fri, 23 December 2011, 03:34:34
Quote from: elogical;476402
ok, wow. I spent hours reading almost all of this and a little bit elsewhere online.

Then I wasted the last 2 hours of my life trying to dye model M keys with liquid "sunshine orange" rit dye. I kept going to progressively hotter temps and kept getting no effect. At the end I went 10 min at a rolling boil and they only have a slight tint. Maybe it wasn't long enough or maybe I need the powder like a few people mentioned. Or maybe I should just give up and buy colored keys :)


I haven't tried Rit (yet) but Dylon is easily available where I live. For my red Esc, I added vinegar and salt to the solution - the result was certainly better than expected. Although I can reproduce the result, some people haven't been able to do the same. I have yet to work out exactly what I'm doing differently.

Here are some pics of my red Esc key on an IBM Model M keyboard (http://epiguru.com/2011/10/hot-red-esc-keycap-for-ibm-model-m-keyboard/).

If the color you want is available from Unicomp, it will be a lot easier for you to buy the keys from them. But if they don't have your color, you'll need a lot of patience (more than 2 hours). On my first attempt, it took me something like half a day of "cooking" the keycap to get the color right.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: JustCallMeCrash on Fri, 23 December 2011, 13:17:21
Quote from: bootstrap;476512
I haven't tried Rit (yet) but Dylon is easily available where I live. For my red Esc, I added vinegar and salt to the solution - the result was certainly better than expected. Although I can reproduce the result, some people haven't been able to do the same. I have yet to work out exactly what I'm doing differently.

Here are some pics of my red Esc key on an IBM Model M keyboard (http://epiguru.com/2011/10/hot-red-esc-keycap-for-ibm-model-m-keyboard/).

If the color you want is available from Unicomp, it will be a lot easier for you to buy the keys from them. But if they don't have your color, you'll need a lot of patience (more than 2 hours). On my first attempt, it took me something like half a day of "cooking" the keycap to get the color right.



Sweet Jesus, dude.  Try my method... 15 minutes if you take your time getting the water to boil.  http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:21017
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 25 December 2011, 05:10:21
how do i get a dark grey from white pbt caps? get black dye, submerge the keys and take them out quickly before it turns full black?
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 25 December 2011, 06:29:15
Quote from: WhiteFireDragon;477469
how do i get a dark grey from white pbt caps? get black dye, submerge the keys and take them out quickly before it turns full black?

I would imagine so, yeah.  Early on in this thread iMav says to get light colors it works best to use the corresponding dark colors and shorten the bath time.  Give it a shot.
Title: Rit dye and keys
Post by: hashbaz on Sun, 25 December 2011, 06:31:45
Quote from: elogical;476402
ok, wow. I spent hours reading almost all of this and a little bit elsewhere online.

Then I wasted the last 2 hours of my life trying to dye model M keys with liquid "sunshine orange" rit dye. I kept going to progressively hotter temps and kept getting no effect. At the end I went 10 min at a rolling boil and they only have a slight tint. Maybe it wasn't long enough or maybe I need the powder like a few people mentioned. Or maybe I should just give up and buy colored keys :)

Reports on the effectiveness of liquid dye vary, but lots of people have had issues with weak results like you're describing.  Have you tried powder RIT?