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Title: Ducky is awesome.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:20:14
Ducky is awesome and fixed it.
                                                
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: unicomp_uc on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:23:46
that' funny because allegedly Ducky is better than Filco according to some. I never bought in to that. Go with Filco unless you need gaudy backlighting.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: srunni on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:40:54
that' funny because allegedly Ducky is better than Filco according to some. I never bought in to that. Go with Filco unless you need gaudy backlighting.

Yeah, if you watch this DS3 video presentation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS8-P-H9OeM#t=5m42s), they say it directly:

Quote
Ducky Shine 3's main goal is [to] allow users to customize the backlighting to their own desire

TBH, that's not exactly relevant to a lot of users. I'd rather have better quality control (or get a price reduction).
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:50:22
I love my ducky but yeah the stock key caps were not that great.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Jixr on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:50:59
It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard.

Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: saturnotaku on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:53:26
Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.

 :))
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: bahamot on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:54:46
How does the air buble keycaps look like? Can you post a photo of it?

I have 3 duckies: DK9008 Shine 2, PBT dye sublimated G2 Pro DK9008, Shine 3 DK9008 Snake, except a few minor issue, all are fine
One filco, which came with broken keycap on key 'k' and loud squeeky backspace.
One poker2, which is fine.
One leopold fc660c, which is also fine.

Well, no need for me to say which one has bad QC ...
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: unicomp_uc on Mon, 14 October 2013, 12:56:17
It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard.

Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.

funny, sad & likely lol
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Bambino on Mon, 14 October 2013, 13:30:58
It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard.

Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.

Oh snap.  Where's Filco made?
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: PointyFox on Mon, 14 October 2013, 13:32:50
It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard.

Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.

Oh snap.  Where's Filco made?

They're made in Taiwan by Costar for Diatec in Japan.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Signature on Mon, 14 October 2013, 13:55:48
Well i just got my Ducky DK9008 Shine 3 MX Blue Red Led from Overclockers.co.uk in and it is by far the worst Ducky keyboard yet i have in my collection.  I also recommend no one to shop at Overclockers.co.uk because the stock numbers they list on the website is incorrect.

Show Image
(http://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg)


It has air bubbles on the V, 9, >, [, right Ctrl, and F11 keys.  Not to mention theres extra paint spatter over the left Ducky Windows key.  It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard. 

This isnt my first Ducky keyboard to have air bubbles on the keycaps though,  My Ducky DK9087 S2 and Ducky DK9008 S2 both have had air bubbles on a few keys but no where near as many as this Ducky Shine 3, Mechanicalkeyboards.com sent replacement keycaps for the Shine 2s but it was still a hassle to get them.  I'm never recommending this lying garbage company that doesnt reply to support emails to any one ever again, they can keep the pretty leds, i want quality and consistency dammit.

I'm  returning this Ducky Shine 3 and was wondering what keyboards are "true" quality, because i'm never touching Ducky anything again.  How are Filcos with MX Blues compared to a Ducky? MX Blues are my favorite switch but i hate how they can be inconsistent with different batches?




This is how i rank my Three Ducky keyboards with MX Blues.

-Ducky DK9008 S2 MX Blue Red Led - Nice firm keypress, loud click, non mushy space bar. - only one i like in my collection :/      

-Ducky Dk9008 S2 MX Blue Red Led/Chinese Ver - Light keypress, inconsistent click across most keys and very loud non mushy space bar.

-Ducky DK9008 S3 MX Blue Red Led/ISO - Nice firm keypress, loud click, very mushy capslock and very mushy hard to press space bar.

So far these inconsistencies are unacceptable from Ducky, all i wanted originally was two consistent keyboards for both of my desktops, but i guess thats to much to ask from Ducky.  I like the simple look of Filcos but was wondering if there are any other simple looking quality mechanical keyboards around?


                                              
Pics or it didnīt happen :))
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 14 October 2013, 14:16:48
Strange.

My ALPS ducky has nothing like that at all. I might even say it's a pretty decent keyboard sometimes.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: dante on Mon, 14 October 2013, 14:46:26
Well i just got my Ducky DK9008 Shine 3 MX Blue Red Led from Overclockers.co.uk in and it is by far the worst Ducky keyboard yet i have in my collection.  I also recommend no one to shop at Overclockers.co.uk because the stock numbers they list on the website is incorrect.

Show Image
(http://nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg)


It has air bubbles on the V, 9, >, [, right Ctrl, and F11 keys.  Not to mention theres extra paint spatter over the left Ducky Windows key.  It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard. 

This isnt my first Ducky keyboard to have air bubbles on the keycaps though,  My Ducky DK9087 S2 and Ducky DK9008 S2 both have had air bubbles on a few keys but no where near as many as this Ducky Shine 3, Mechanicalkeyboards.com sent replacement keycaps for the Shine 2s but it was still a hassle to get them.  I'm never recommending this lying garbage company that doesnt reply to support emails to any one ever again, they can keep the pretty leds, i want quality and consistency dammit.

I'm  returning this Ducky Shine 3 and was wondering what keyboards are "true" quality, because i'm never touching Ducky anything again.  How are Filcos with MX Blues compared to a Ducky? MX Blues are my favorite switch but i hate how they can be inconsistent with different batches?




This is how i rank my Three Ducky keyboards with MX Blues.

-Ducky DK9008 S2 MX Blue Red Led - Nice firm keypress, loud click, non mushy space bar. - only one i like in my collection :/      

-Ducky Dk9008 S2 MX Blue Red Led/Chinese Ver - Light keypress, inconsistent click across most keys and very loud non mushy space bar.

-Ducky DK9008 S3 MX Blue Red Led/ISO - Nice firm keypress, loud click, very mushy capslock and very mushy hard to press space bar.

So far these inconsistencies are unacceptable from Ducky, all i wanted originally was two consistent keyboards for both of my desktops, but i guess thats to much to ask from Ducky.  I like the simple look of Filcos but was wondering if there are any other simple looking quality mechanical keyboards around?


                                              
Pics or it didnīt happen :))

Agreed.  Way too easy to anonymously login and crap on a [competing] brand.

FWIW: Not even Realforce or Filco have been able to put out 100% quality boards.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 14 October 2013, 14:48:45
You have 10 posts. 9 of those are you complaining about duckys you've bought.

My question is :
If you're so displeased with their quality then why do you keep buying them?

Literally your first post was you complaining about the first ducky you bought. If you weren't happy then why would you buy a second?

You then made posts complaining about the second ducky you bought once it arrived. IF YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH EITHER OF THEM THEN WHY WOULD YOU BUY A THIRD ONE?
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Tym on Mon, 14 October 2013, 14:56:10
You have 10 posts. 9 of those are you complaining about duckys you've bought.

My question is :
If you're so displeased with their quality then why do you keep buying them?
Hahaha
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: saturnotaku on Mon, 14 October 2013, 14:59:27
You have 10 posts. 9 of those are you complaining about duckys you've bought.

My question is :
If you're so displeased with their quality then why do you keep buying them?

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t56fyLId4Jo/UACB5rvsrTI/AAAAAAAAAwg/NNn77PbcpZI/s1600/busted+cat+cute.jpg)
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:01:05
Oh i'll get some pictures, i have a horrible camera so i have to get the right lighting.  It's probably almost immpossible to get pictures of all the air bubbles though because they are little dots that will scrape the paint off the keycaps if removed.  The only keycaps i can clearly photograph is the V key because it has more then one air bubble on it but i'll try to get all of them since i have to take some time to get a log of pictures anyway.

The air bubbles are completely related to the application of paint they are using, i would sure hope Duckys PBT caps dont have this issue lol.  The fact that three of my Ducky Shines in total have had air bubbles on them, a long with the different feeling modifier keys is enough for me to swear Ducky off and never give them a cent more becuase the quality control of the keycaps they use on the Shine series. (The air bubbles are not going to be present on all of the Ducky Shine keyboards but three is enough to swear them off).  The air bubble problem i think is only related to the Shine series.


Ill get some pictures updated in a few.


@Photekg

Well mechanicalkeyboards.com sent me replacement keycaps for both my Shine 2s so i thought that it might just of been a rare occurance, but apparently not, and because they are the only simple looking keyboards besides Filco i could find.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:01:44
Ducky's really upped their game recently and their ****'s legit. I would've expected a thread like this a 3-4 years ago though.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: szymonduzyk on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:03:02
Ducky is just overpriced for its quality.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Glod on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:27:04
Interesting, I have rarely heard people here complain about the overall quality of duckys, i see plenty of praise here putting them up there with filco as the best stock non-custom cherry mx keyboard you can buy. If it is just related to the key caps quality, no good OEM key caps for backlit boards exist. It is unfortunate that the best quality key caps for backlit keyboards, from what i have seen on geekhack, are on Decks and the font on those is just hideous and the keys not sculpted.

Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: tns on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:33:34
Ducky is just overpriced for its quality.
what keyboard(s) do u have...
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Nakapfao on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:56:35
that' funny because allegedly Ducky is better than Filco according to some. I never bought in to that. Go with Filco unless you need gaudy backlighting.

Yeah, if you watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS8-P-H9OeM#[/youtube]t=5m42s"]DS3 video presentation[/url], they say it directly:

Quote
Ducky Shine 3's main goal is [to] allow users to customize the backlighting to their own desire

TBH, that's not exactly relevant to a lot of users. I'd rather have better quality control (or get a price reduction).

Dang, I'm glad I've never seen anyone say that. Crazy talk! Although damn, it'd be nice if Filco took after the DK9008G2 pro model and started giving us some PBT doubleshot... (http://"[youtube)
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Signature on Mon, 14 October 2013, 15:57:36
Ducky is just overpriced for its quality.
what keyboard(s) do u have...
This?
(http://dev.ektron.com/uploadedImages/DevCenter/Support/KB_Articles/OnScreenKeyboard.gif)
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:00:42
OP Do yourself a favor and buy WASD V2 if you want proper quality.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Nakapfao on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:05:35
OP Do yourself a favor and buy WASD V2 if you want proper quality.

The V2 is a high-quality board no doubt, but several people have reported issues with the Micro-USB port.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:06:14
Both my Duckys are fine, although one has a couple of switches that do not click consistently (MX blue).

I have 216 stock Ducky keycaps - none have "air bubbles".  All have a small dot on the back side which is a sprue mark from when the keycaps were made - this is normal for most keycaps, it just shows up more on backlight-friendly ones.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Signature on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:07:59
OP Do yourself a favor and buy WASD V2 if you want proper quality.
True, but i guess OP wanted a backlit keyboard so bad that he forgot he was furious about the other two that was "bad quality". :))
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:30:21
OP Do yourself a favor and buy WASD V2 if you want proper quality.
True, but i guess OP wanted a backlit keyboard so bad that he forgot he was furious about the other two that was "bad quality". :))

Ducky fixed it


Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:31:35
Seriously? That's like.. nothing.. They're tiny, almost unnoticable bubbles..
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:38:35
But if they are even slightly raised, your fingers would be able to feel them.  That would be annoying.

Even so I'd still buy another Ducky - both of mine are fine.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:39:52
Seriously? That's like.. nothing.. They're tiny, almost unnoticable bubbles..

When im paying for a brand new keyboard in this price range , yes its big deal because those bubbles are very noticeable and will chip paint if they are removed.  They are also way more noticeable in real life.

Yes im picky :) http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45224.msg943622#msg943622
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44808.msg931371#msg931371


But if they are even slightly raised, your fingers would be able to feel them.  That would be annoying.

Even so I'd still buy another Ducky - both of mine are fine.
I like my Ducky DK9008 S2 MX Blues English version, it perfect after the keycaps got replaced. Its just sorta of hard IMO to want to buy another Ducky after experiencing these inconsistencies,  your quite lucky that all 216 keycaps are perfect :) or i just really have horrible luck.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 14 October 2013, 16:48:11
This is fair enough, although Ducky is far from the most expensive keyboards available.

If you remove the backlighting and costs associated with it, I suspect Ducky would be one of the cheaper brands, despite which they still produce a (mostly) excellent product.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: PadawanGeek on Mon, 14 October 2013, 17:24:19
I have a number of Ducky keyboards, seriously thinking of getting the special yellow Ducky with Whites, and I have no issue with any of my boards. I think Ducky makes very good quality boards, if I had believed Ducky makes questionable quality keyboards, I would not keep buying more.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Awful on Mon, 14 October 2013, 17:51:45
that' funny because allegedly Ducky is better than Filco according to some. I never bought in to that. Go with Filco unless you need gaudy backlighting.

...who in their right mind would claim this? lol
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: eth0s on Mon, 14 October 2013, 17:58:44
Looks like ducky is still sucky.  I was kind of hoping they got better, but I guess not.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: johndavis33 on Mon, 14 October 2013, 18:51:35
I've never had a problem with my ducky, though mine has PBT caps instead of ABS so that may have something to do with it,
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 14 October 2013, 18:54:05
In anything like you usually tend to get only those with problems joining in the discussion.

But sometimes, like this, you get more positive comments than problems.

Overall the balance seems to be leaning towards Ducky being good - OP must have had a run of bad luck, which can happen.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Morwrath on Mon, 14 October 2013, 18:54:23
Did not have any problems with my Mini keycaps at all :/
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 14 October 2013, 18:56:56
I would not equate that to "absolute garbage".  Sensationalize much?  I've had 2 Ducky keyboards now (Shine IIs), and they've been both perfect.  Small defects can happen to every keyboard.  Filco Camo case is a perfect example: case is too tight, only stock modifiers fit on the left side, just barely.  So much so, they even allow an RMA for the Camo case (though my replacement was exactly the same, and I've had to sand both covers to accommodate custom keycaps).  I guess I should post that Filco is absolute garbage too for inflicting that on me.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 14 October 2013, 19:06:39
OP Do yourself a favor and buy WASD V2 if you want proper quality.

The V2 is a high-quality board no doubt, but several people have reported issues with the Micro-USB port.
link of people reporting this problem?

Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Mon, 14 October 2013, 20:31:01
I would not equate that to "absolute garbage".  Sensationalize much?  I've had 2 Ducky keyboards now (Shine IIs), and they've been both perfect.  Small defects can happen to every keyboard.  Filco Camo case is a perfect example: case is too tight, only stock modifiers fit on the left side, just barely.  So much so, they even allow an RMA for the Camo case (though my replacement was exactly the same, and I've had to sand both covers to accommodate custom keycaps).  I guess I should post that Filco is absolute garbage too for inflicting that on me.

Yea the title is a  bit sensationalized, but after having this happen three times i let it slide.  I never planned on getting custom keycaps i just was looking for a simple MX Blue keyboard that feels similar for both of my desktops.  I have one perfect Ducky S2 with some very nice MX blues and spacebar, its just annoying trying to find one that feels similar and having gone through a good amount of them.

OP Do yourself a favor and buy WASD V2 if you want proper quality.

Thanks that looks really good im going to look into it more, the hard decision is going to be deciding on what keyboard i should get next, the search begins  :))
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 14 October 2013, 20:55:07
Quote
Ducky Shine 3's main goal is [to] allow users to customize the backlighting to their own desire

TBH, that's not exactly relevant to a lot of users. I'd rather have better quality control (or get a price reduction).

I totally agree on that.  To be honest most of the users don't even need all the fancy functions, I just want backlit and a cheaper price and that's.

But I guess that's why they have Ducky Zero Shine for that.

It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard.

Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.

Oh snap.  Where's Filco made?

They're made in Taiwan by Costar for Diatec in Japan.

Ducky is Taiwanese based company and their Ducky Shine series boards are also made in Taiwan.

So I'd say in terms of QC it should be similar.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: tbc on Mon, 14 October 2013, 21:23:04
who said ducky was higher quality than filco?  I've never heard that once before this thread.

ducky's always been repeated as the products closest to filco quality with backlighting.  this actual means nothing about quality except that it's better than the BWU.  although, I've never seen a complaint about ducky quality (only it's stabs) before this thread.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: bahamot on Mon, 14 October 2013, 21:26:18
who said ducky was higher quality than filco?  I've never heard that once before this thread.

ducky's always been repeated as the products closest to filco quality with backlighting.  this actual means nothing about quality except that it's better than the BWU.  although, I've never seen a complaint about ducky quality (only it's stabs) before this thread.
I did on my YOTS review. I said so based on my own experience.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 14 October 2013, 21:29:07
I have also said that Ducky seems to be of equal quality to Filco with their newer offerings.  That's been my experience.  And down to internals, WFD has a nice Ducky Shine II (YotD) teardown, showing how neat the PCB soldering is.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Bambino on Mon, 14 October 2013, 21:32:08
Quote
Ducky Shine 3's main goal is [to] allow users to customize the backlighting to their own desire

TBH, that's not exactly relevant to a lot of users. I'd rather have better quality control (or get a price reduction).

I totally agree on that.  To be honest most of the users don't even need all the fancy functions, I just want backlit and a cheaper price and that's.

But I guess that's why they have Ducky Zero Shine for that.

It literally looks like a twelve year old inspected this keyboard.

Its chinese manufacturing, it probably was inspected by a 12 year old.

Oh snap.  Where's Filco made?

They're made in Taiwan by Costar for Diatec in Japan.

Ducky is Taiwanese based company and their Ducky Shine series boards are also made in Taiwan.

So I'd say in terms of QC it should be similar.

Agreed. Don't bash the ducky!
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 15 October 2013, 05:27:08
Mine is fine. You got a lemon... Is it only the keys that your not liking or overall construction?
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: genkidama on Tue, 15 October 2013, 06:19:27
Reading this topic I was afraid, at first, of my future investment of a Shine 3. But the 'bubbles' really look very small. I guess this is fixable without getting new keycaps, isn't it?

After reading and watching alot of reviews and tests, it looks like Ducky is very similar with build quailty and stuff to Filco. Some time ago I watched one reivew where the guy said Ducky is superior in quality to Filco. But this is a subjective thing and after investing so much time into Duckys I also think they a similar.
Unfortunately I don't know which YouTube video this was, I just clicked through a lot of such videos and comparison videos.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: ZeodoHokill on Tue, 15 October 2013, 06:29:32
Quality can be measured by price
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: bahamot on Tue, 15 October 2013, 06:57:10
Quality can be measured by price
Generally yes, but not all.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: saturnotaku on Tue, 15 October 2013, 07:00:56
Generally yes, but not all.

It all depends on what you're comparing. A Bentley is higher quality than a Hyundai, but a Mercedes-Benz is not necessarily higher quality than an Acura.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 15 October 2013, 07:01:37
Hmm. I didn't really notice that on my Shine II.
But then again you'll be changing keycaps anyways :D PBT's ftw
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 15 October 2013, 07:24:05
good pointing out. I was myself getting more than a little puzzled by the fact he bought 3 duckys.

not to praise Razer or anything, but if something sells 10x as much volume as Ducky and gets 15x as many complaints, then Razer is only 1.5x as bad as a ducky. Methinks Ducky is overrated. It's not 2x, 3x, 5x as good as Razers and lower end keyboards. It's more like 1.5, 1.6x as good only. So don't expect Duckys to be perfect or anything. You get better quality for your money, not perfect or near-perfect quality.

You have 10 posts. 9 of those are you complaining about duckys you've bought.

My question is :
If you're so displeased with their quality then why do you keep buying them?

Literally your first post was you complaining about the first ducky you bought. If you weren't happy then why would you buy a second?

You then made posts complaining about the second ducky you bought once it arrived. IF YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH EITHER OF THEM THEN WHY WOULD YOU BUY A THIRD ONE?
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Ducky nordic on Tue, 15 October 2013, 07:44:07
Hmm. Not a very nice nor an objective title  :(

I have seen batches and batches of Duckys and overall quality has been very good. Very clean soldering, good firmwares, lotsa functions on boards without any kind of software install. Ducky Shine-series are manufactured in Taiwan.

Sorry to hear ur keycaps have some spatter on them. I think if ud just send those pics to overclockers.co.uk they will send u replacement caps. Might take a while but its not like the original caps are unusable meanwhile. I think it would require as much effort to write email about replacements than to write this kind of post on forums.

About the other keyboards where u also have some concearns:

- Mushy backspace or space bar - Pls lube the stabilizers. Its a common practise and you can improve the larger keys feel. This is not a brand specific issue.

- "Light keypress, inconsistent click across most keys" - Hmm, u were talking about the MX blue switch here. Its not the keyboard PCB, chassis, controller or keycaps or the build that can make this kind of inconsistency happen. That would mean the inconsistency would be in the switch itself. Cherry supplies the switches in big boxes. I dont think any brand has assembly lines that have personnel or a robot clicking every switch with weights and reading accurate results before mounting it. There is some level of trust towards Cherry ofc altho the switch feel across different Cherry production batches have been said by some to be having minor discrepansies as well. The keyboards are tested across so that every key functions after its been built. This testing doesnt guarantee 100% flawless coming in mail to every home as they then travel by air/sea/trucks thru countries and hubs/distys/resellers before they reach you. Thats a lotta box tossing at many stages.

Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Tue, 15 October 2013, 11:31:02
Hmm. Not a very nice nor an objective title  :(

I have seen batches and batches of Duckys and overall quality has been very good. Very clean soldering, good firmwares, lotsa functions on boards without any kind of software install. Ducky Shine-series are manufactured in Taiwan.

Sorry to hear ur keycaps have some spatter on them. I think if ud just send those pics to overclockers.co.uk they will send u replacement caps. Might take a while but its not like the original caps are unusable meanwhile. I think it would require as much effort to write email about replacements than to write this kind of post on forums.

About the other keyboards where u also have some concearns:

- Mushy backspace or space bar - Pls lube the stabilizers. Its a common practise and you can improve the larger keys feel. This is not a brand specific issue.

- "Light keypress, inconsistent click across most keys" - Hmm, u were talking about the MX blue switch here. Its not the keyboard PCB, chassis, controller or keycaps or the build that can make this kind of inconsistency happen. That would mean the inconsistency would be in the switch itself. Cherry supplies the switches in big boxes. I dont think any brand has assembly lines that have personnel or a robot clicking every switch with weights and reading accurate results before mounting it. There is some level of trust towards Cherry ofc altho the switch feel across different Cherry production batches have been said by some to be having minor discrepansies as well. The keyboards are tested across so that every key functions after its been built. This testing doesnt guarantee 100% flawless coming in mail to every home as they then travel by air/sea/trucks thru countries and hubs/distys/resellers before they reach you. Thats a lotta box tossing at many stages.


Hi Ducky Nordic

After experiencing three keyboards having these air bubble/space bar issues i thought i would at least share my experience since three Duckys is a good amount to own.

I may just have had a run of very bad luck with the air bubbles and space bars feeling inconsistant, but out of the box brand new i would sorta think the space bar shoudnt be this mushy/hard on my Shine 3, the space bar will also get stuck sometimes.  The space bar is the main reason why the keyboard is unusable and needs to be returned.

Is it required to open the keyboard to lube the stabilizers?       

I understand the inconsistency is at the switches level, but some batches of MX Blues feel too horrible to accept.  My Shine 2 Chinese version with MX Blues has some of the worst feeling MX Blues and it really ruins the experience of typing on them, for that reason its sitting in the closet until i have time to replace all 108 switches.




Mine is fine. You got a lemon... Is it only the keys that your not liking or overall construction?

Its mainly the keys and different feeling spacebars.  I'll try to list all the issues i've had in a bit more detail.

- DK9087 Shine 2 MX Red Red Led - Had several keys with air bubbles on it along with a small crack in the alt key.  Mechanicalkeyboards.com send replacements for this and its all good now.

- DK9008 Shine 2 MX Blue Red Led - Had again several keys with air bubbles and a few with scratches on them, Mechanicalkeyboards.com sent replacements for it also and its perfect now. - this is my favorite one since the space bar is smooth and the MX Blues are crisp.

- DK9008 Shine 3 MX Blue Red Led - More keys with air bubbles this time, along with a spacebar thats ultra mushy, and gets stuck sometimes.  The capslock key also gets stuck for some reason.

- DK9008 Shine 2 MX Blue Red Led/CHN - Inconsistent clicking MX Blues, very loud awkward spacebar.  I still never fixed this one, but it doesnt matter since it just sits in the closet now at this point.

The main thing i dont like is that the spacebars feel different even on the same model keyboard, and it completely ruins the flow when typing.                 
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Moosecraft on Tue, 15 October 2013, 11:58:00
My ducky G2pro has been working excelently for the time that I have used it, but it's not backlit and has pbt caps so
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: SNF on Tue, 15 October 2013, 12:01:10
Is there a way to exchange the keyboard for another one?

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Post by: Ducky nordic on Tue, 15 October 2013, 14:03:03
@ itzmeluigi

If the spacebar gets stuck on bottom that is indeed a problem. That cant be fixed by lubing. Either the top chassis is not 100% on place and spacebar gets stuck at edge of chassis or it has a faulty stabilizer.
The louder noise spacebar on CHN model. Did you check its not MX Green beneath spacebar? Ducky has done batches where spacebar has the stiffer brother switch under space.

I personally have about 20 Duckies and havent got a single one with noticable airbubbles on caps. You definately have some bad luck :D

Your not in my region (im in Europe and ISO-layout zone) but be i in ANSI zone id definately send u a full replacement keycap set so u could replace the bubbled ones on the boards u have.
Maybe if u can write to Ducky support and reference this thread conversation they can ask a Ducky US partner to send u a full 104 key replacement keycap set. If you dont get a reply within couple days then please copy/paste your sent email to me in private message and ill push it for u.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: itzmeluigi on Tue, 15 October 2013, 14:43:51
@ itzmeluigi

If the spacebar gets stuck on bottom that is indeed a problem. That cant be fixed by lubing. Either the top chassis is not 100% on place and spacebar gets stuck at edge of chassis or it has a faulty stabilizer.
The louder noise spacebar on CHN model. Did you check its not MX Green beneath spacebar? Ducky has done batches where spacebar has the stiffer brother switch under space.

I personally have about 20 Duckies and havent got a single one with noticable airbubbles on caps. You definately have some bad luck :D

Your not in my region (im in Europe and ISO-layout zone) but be i in ANSI zone id definately send u a full replacement keycap set so u could replace the bubbled ones on the boards u have.
Maybe if u can write to Ducky support and reference this thread conversation they can ask a Ducky US partner to send u a full 104 key replacement keycap set. If you dont get a reply within couple days then please copy/paste your sent email to me in private message and ill push it for u.

I checked all the switches on my space bar, all my Duckys use MX Blues under the space bars.  I bought my Shine 3 from Overclockers.co.uk specifically so i could convert from ANSI to ISO :) ,  my Shine 3 is in ISO layout and the rest of my Shine 2s are ANSI.  If you could help me i would utmost appreciate it, as Ducky direct email support hasn't gotten back to me in over a month from past emails.  I think the stabilizer on the Ducky Shine 3 might be defective or something though.
 
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 15 October 2013, 15:57:33
I've actually had that problem before.

Take the spacebar off and put it back on again. Turn it (and the little white stabilizer thingies) 180 degrees, and watch the magic.

This is how I fixed that problem on (one of) my MJ2s.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 15 October 2013, 16:12:32
Hmm. Not a very nice nor an objective title  :(

I have seen batches and batches of Duckys and overall quality has been very good. Very clean soldering, good firmwares, lotsa functions on boards without any kind of software install. Ducky Shine-series are manufactured in Taiwan.

Sorry to hear ur keycaps have some spatter on them. I think if ud just send those pics to overclockers.co.uk they will send u replacement caps. Might take a while but its not like the original caps are unusable meanwhile. I think it would require as much effort to write email about replacements than to write this kind of post on forums.

About the other keyboards where u also have some concearns:

- Mushy backspace or space bar - Pls lube the stabilizers. Its a common practise and you can improve the larger keys feel. This is not a brand specific issue.

- "Light keypress, inconsistent click across most keys" - Hmm, u were talking about the MX blue switch here. Its not the keyboard PCB, chassis, controller or keycaps or the build that can make this kind of inconsistency happen. That would mean the inconsistency would be in the switch itself. Cherry supplies the switches in big boxes. I dont think any brand has assembly lines that have personnel or a robot clicking every switch with weights and reading accurate results before mounting it. There is some level of trust towards Cherry ofc altho the switch feel across different Cherry production batches have been said by some to be having minor discrepansies as well. The keyboards are tested across so that every key functions after its been built. This testing doesnt guarantee 100% flawless coming in mail to every home as they then travel by air/sea/trucks thru countries and hubs/distys/resellers before they reach you. Thats a lotta box tossing at many stages.


Hi Ducky Nordic

After experiencing three keyboards having these air bubble/space bar issues i thought i would at least share my experience since three Duckys is a good amount to own.

I may just have had a run of very bad luck with the air bubbles and space bars feeling inconsistant, but out of the box brand new i would sorta think the space bar shoudnt be this mushy/hard on my Shine 3, the space bar will also get stuck sometimes.  The space bar is the main reason why the keyboard is unusable and needs to be returned.

Is it required to open the keyboard to lube the stabilizers?       

I understand the inconsistency is at the switches level, but some batches of MX Blues feel too horrible to accept.  My Shine 2 Chinese version with MX Blues has some of the worst feeling MX Blues and it really ruins the experience of typing on them, for that reason its sitting in the closet until i have time to replace all 108 switches.




Mine is fine. You got a lemon... Is it only the keys that your not liking or overall construction?

Its mainly the keys and different feeling spacebars.  I'll try to list all the issues i've had in a bit more detail.

- DK9087 Shine 2 MX Red Red Led - Had several keys with air bubbles on it along with a small crack in the alt key.  Mechanicalkeyboards.com send replacements for this and its all good now.

- DK9008 Shine 2 MX Blue Red Led - Had again several keys with air bubbles and a few with scratches on them, Mechanicalkeyboards.com sent replacements for it also and its perfect now. - this is my favorite one since the space bar is smooth and the MX Blues are crisp.

- DK9008 Shine 3 MX Blue Red Led - More keys with air bubbles this time, along with a spacebar thats ultra mushy, and gets stuck sometimes.  The capslock key also gets stuck for some reason.

- DK9008 Shine 2 MX Blue Red Led/CHN - Inconsistent clicking MX Blues, very loud awkward spacebar.  I still never fixed this one, but it doesnt matter since it just sits in the closet now at this point.

The main thing i dont like is that the spacebars feel different even on the same model keyboard, and it completely ruins the flow when typing.               
Yeah the space bar is odd... I think it's the "improved" stabilizer. My keys are fine though.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 15 October 2013, 16:19:19
Curious.  I have two Ducky Shine (version 1) with MX blues, and both have MX green under the space bar.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 15 October 2013, 16:38:51
The new stabilizers feel mushy. The G710+ I tried at bestbuy was fine.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: bahamot on Tue, 15 October 2013, 22:20:07
The new stabilizers feel mushy. The G710+ I tried at bestbuy was fine.
It's perfect for me with cerry mx red.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: terran5992 on Wed, 16 October 2013, 09:09:49
Cherry stabalizers are generally mushy
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: C5Allroad on Wed, 16 October 2013, 10:13:27
But these feel especially mushy. It feels like they have springs under them along with the switch itself. The G710+ felt almost identical to my K90 in terms of stabilizers.
Title: Re: Ducky is absolute garbage.
Post by: Battou62 on Mon, 21 October 2013, 09:18:26
More anecdotal evidence for you. I got play with some Ducky Zeros at my local Microcenter this weekend. The Ducky Zeros felt like very solid well made boards. Maybe even a little more solid than my Rosewill. The space bar was very crisp and so were all of the caps, shift, and tab keys. I was of course looking at the non back light versions.