geekhack
geekhack Community => Other Geeky Stuff => Topic started by: microsoft windows on Fri, 18 October 2013, 13:50:56
-
So Windows 8.1 just recently came out...what do yall think about it?
-
It's 5 more than Windows 3.1!!!
-
How do i geddit? (See? Like Reddit? heuheuheu)
-
Search is better, start button is a waste of taskbar space.
More incentive to use keyboard shortcuts for everything!
-
How do i geddit? (See? Like Reddit? heuheuheu)
It's a free download in the Windows Store (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516) if you have Windows 8 already.
-
if you already have windows 8, just type windows 8.1 in the store to get it.
i put it on my surface last night. its a good upgrade. nothing revolutionary, but the homescreen improvements are welcome. the mail app is WAAYYYYYY better. so is the store app.
all in all, its a welcome upgrade. if you're really anti-metro, its also got the "boot to desktop" option and the start button, so you can mostly go back to the old windows style.
fundamentally, if you didn't like windows 8, windows 8.1 is an improvement but the metro is still there.
-
Mail app is much better, store app *looks* better but discovery of different sections is now hidden away under a top of the screen swipe... uh-huh.
Search no longer is able to search through your different apps :(
[)amien
-
If I can get w8 for free, is it worth upgrading from 7?
-
I left my PC on overnight DLing Windows 8.1 at my office...Will have to see today!
-
If I can get w8 for free, is it worth upgrading from 7?
Absolutely.
-
If I can get w8 for free, is it worth upgrading from 7?
Absolutely.
agreed. but i really like the metro style. if you aren't into that....
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
-
My only beef with Windows 8 is the separate Metro settings and App-centric user interface. I was hoping that the choice would be given to return the 'All Apps' page to resemble the old 'All Programs' layout, but no dice.
-
It is still an inferior operating system to perform professional tasks
-
It is still an inferior operating system to perform professional tasks
No it isn't. I use it in a professional role and it has only improved my experience.
-
Long weight how do you boot straight to desktop ? Link pls :D
-
Long weight how do you boot straight to desktop ? Link pls :D
http://www.7tutorials.com/how-boot-desktop-windows-8-skip-start-screen
-
If I can get w8 for free, is it worth upgrading from 7?
Absolutely.
You avatar disagrees.
-
I'm currently using 8 only but I won't upgrade due to spending so much time editing the original system. Now that it operates like a true os with little to no metro crap getting in the way, I'm happy.
Although you can easily edit Win 7 to do the same things as Win 8, so it's really up to the end user to configure it any way they see fit. The old days of upgrading your windows OS has come to an end. For some here already Windows had reached it's peak with 3.1 ;) .
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
I would stick with Win 7, still operates fluently with virtually every piece of software that is currently available. If it still works - why upgrade?
-
I would stick with Win 7, still operates fluently with virtually every piece of software that is currently available. If it still works - why upgrade?
Then we'd all still be using DOS or Windows 3.1 :p
Two reasons I can think of:
1. It's faster and everyone always loves more speed
2. Some of the modern style apps are awesome and better than using web sites - e.g. Netflix, Facebook
[)amien
-
It is still an inferior operating system to perform professional tasks
No it isn't. I use it in a professional role and it has only improved my experience.
could you please elaborate?
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
I would stick with Win 7, still operates fluently with virtually every piece of software that is currently available. If it still works - why upgrade?
Fast boot times etc...
Also Windows seems to be going down the Apple Upgrade path, would you rather pay $30, 3 times over 3 years or $200 to upgrade from Win7 to Windows 9?
-
Fast boot times etc...
Also Windows seems to be going down the Apple Upgrade path, would you rather pay $30, 3 times over 3 years or $200 to upgrade from Win7 to Windows 9?
Well I just put Win 7 into sleep mode and it wakes instantly when woken. Never shut down the system hence your start up accusation has a major flaw here, if you never need to shut it down why is Win 8 so much better again?
I still use the same software on both installs (Win 7 and Win 8.0) they operate exactly the same, hence not one is better or faster than the other PC with these different Window versions.
-
"accusation "? It isn't an accusation, Windows 8 has a faster boot time.
-
Things I like about Windows 8.1 vs 8:
Right clicking the lower left corner now brings up power options
Multi-screen Metro Apps
Things I still dislike about Windows 8.x:
"Start button" on each screen
Lockscreen requires me to type something before typing password
From what I understand they changed a bunch of ways settings will be displayed, but I haven't had to play around with them much.
Overall I'd say it's worth the 8.1 upgrade.
If I think of anything else I'll add it.
-
Things I like about Windows 8.1 vs 8:
Right clicking the lower left corner now brings up power options
Multi-screen Metro Apps
Things I still dislike about Windows 8.x:
"Start button" on each screen
Lockscreen requires me to type something before typing password
From what I understand they changed a bunch of ways settings will be displayed, but I haven't had to play around with them much.
Overall I'd say it's worth the 8.1 upgrade.
If I think of anything else I'll add it.
Have you tried setting Windows 8.1 to head directly to desktop instead of Start screen?
-
Have you tried setting Windows 8.1 to head directly to desktop instead of Start screen?
no? I have no problem taking half a second out of my day to click the desktop "app" on the start screen.
-
"accusation "? It isn't an accusation, Windows 8 has a faster boot time.
My dear friend, nothing beats a fully configured gentoo.
-
7 seconds for an 13 year-old toshiba laptop to boot to X11 + firefox
-
Have you tried setting Windows 8.1 to head directly to desktop instead of Start screen?
It's a bit hidden, but still fairly easy: Right-click task bar -> Properties -> Navigation Tab -> Start Screen section.
I've been on 8.1 professionally (for my job) since august (preview initially, then RC, and then RTM). Didn't even notice it came out officially on Thursday. The argument for staying on Windows 7 is generally "it works fine for me, why upgrade?" Which was also said of Windows XP when Vista and 7 came out. Vista was a dog, but 7 was pretty good. 8 is even better. It's faster in damn near every way, and 8.1's keyboard/program search is even better than 8's, which was pretty damn good. Combining the 3 separate search categories (Programs, Settings, and Files) into a single unified search is so far my favorite feature.
Windows 8.1 is a solid upgrade, both from Windows 8 and from Windows 7. It's possible to stay out of the whole "Metro" or "Windows Store" stuff almost entirely.
Personally I stay out of the "Metro" stuff, and
-
It's a bit hidden, but still fairly easy: Right-click task bar -> Properties -> Navigation Tab -> Start Screen section.
I've been on 8.1 professionally (for my job) since august (preview initially, then RC, and then RTM). Didn't even notice it came out officially on Thursday. The argument for staying on Windows 7 is generally "it works fine for me, why upgrade?" Which was also said of Windows XP when Vista and 7 came out. Vista was a dog, but 7 was pretty good. 8 is even better. It's faster in damn near every way, and 8.1's keyboard/program search is even better than 8's, which was pretty damn good. Combining the 3 separate search categories (Programs, Settings, and Files) into a single unified search is so far my favorite feature.
Windows 8.1 is a solid upgrade, both from Windows 8 and from Windows 7. It's possible to stay out of the whole "Metro" or "Windows Store" stuff almost entirely.
Personally I stay out of the "Metro" stuff, and
oh yeah, that's another compaint of windows 8. like 95% of the time I'm searching for something it's a setting and I have to either hit a down arrow or click with a mouse to get to the "setting" section instead of the "app" section, that would be nice to figure out a way to default to settings instead of apps :P
-
Press Win+W instead of Win+S - the former searches settings by default.
[)amien
-
Whoop, looks like my post got cut off
-
oh yeah, that's another compaint of windows 8. like 95% of the time I'm searching for something it's a setting and I have to either hit a down arrow or click with a mouse to get to the "setting" section instead of the "app" section, that would be nice to figure out a way to default to settings instead of apps :P
Press Win+W instead of Win+S - the former searches settings by default.
[)amien
I kind of retract this statement, the new 8.1 search it a lot better than the 8. Since it searches everywhere I don't have to fiddle around with changing where it searches. But thanks for the tip DaminenG :thumb:
-
It is still an inferior operating system to perform professional tasks
Rubbish.
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
I would stick with Win 7, still operates fluently with virtually every piece of software that is currently available. If it still works - why upgrade?
Faster boot time, File History, better support for modern hardware (USB 3.0, higher resolution monitors, mulit-monitor setups, etc.) link to your Microsoft Account similar to what Android does (automatic backup your preferences, etc.), native mounting of ISO files, general efficiency and security under-the-hood improvements that may not be immediately perceivable but still exist regardless.
No-one has ever made a convincing or legitimate argument for why Windows 8 is so bad. The only "argument" ever used is "I don't like Metro" which is completely subjective and runs counter to actual objective data (like the fact it requires less mouse clicks and keystrokes to achieve the same actions in windows 8 than it did in Windows 7.
-
No-one has ever made a convincing or legitimate argument for why Windows 8 is so bad. The only "argument" ever used is "I don't like Metro" which is completely subjective and runs counter to actual objective data (like the fact it requires less mouse clicks and keystrokes to achieve the same actions in windows 8 than it did in Windows 7.
Thank you, people just circlejerk about how terrible it is without giving any reason other than "it's different." but worse than that are people willing to give it a try, but then tweak the **** out of it to remove all the new features so it runs more like Win7. it just boggles my mind how resistant people are to change...
Honestly, **** reviewers and consumer electronic websites in general, people listen to them, and they told the people everything that was wrong with Win8 and that's all people are stuck on, too worried to try it because of all the terrible things they've heard about it.
-
During the initial Windows 8 backlash I commented on how everyone was just repeating the same crap ad nauseam based on nothing and by the time Windows 9 came around Microsoft will have made a few concessions and everyone will have gotten used to it/actually tried this version and claim how great it was. Exactly what happened with Windows Vista and Windows 7 which are virtually identical operating systems but had vastly different receptions. Turns out it's Windows 8.1 rather than 9 and has come around a couple years earlier than I expected, but basically it's looking like what I predicted is what's about to happen.
-
Exactly what happened with Windows Vista and Windows 7 which are virtually identical operating systems but had vastly different receptions.
This. People have such short memories.
-
I'm perfectly happy with 8 with Stardock so I don't think I'll upgrade.
-
Exactly what happened with Windows Vista and Windows 7 which are virtually identical operating systems but had vastly different receptions.
With all due respect, are you on crack??? That's like saying Windows ME is virtually identical to Windows 2000. And that statement itself doesn't even make sense seeing as how ME was a 9x OS and 2000 is NT... but then again that's the point I'm trying to make.
Having used every single Windows OS since 3.1, I can say from personal experience that Vista was inferior to 7, hands down. I have had many people ask me to upgrade their PCs to Windows 7 solely for the reason that Vista was running too slow and/or it kept crashing.
Now Windows 7 vs Windows 8 is a completely different story. You are correct in saying that many people had "Windows 8 hate" upon it's release without actually trying the OS (guilty as charged) but now that I have tried it, it is about equal to that of Windows 7. Only difference between 7 and 8 is the app screen (which I personally never use) and the absence of the Start menu (which isn't a big deal if you actually know how to use a computer).
I have no opinion on 8.1 as I have not used it.
-
Vista was terrible. I remember when it first came out, I was working for Toshiba at the time. And the thing just didn't have any drivers. Customer buys laptop, and there's no sound. Or no wifi. Vista was just a terrible, terrible mess. 7 on the other hand came out solid, and it still is. So is 8, I don't see too many problems with it. Nothing serious at least.
-
Likely going to install this tonight, seeing a lot of things in my current install are broken.
Does anyone know if there are any 8.1 ISO's available? ( I have a key) Or do I just reinstall 8 then update?
-
Question: since I have a, umm, less-than-legit copy of Win8 on my PC, if I upgrade will it remove my *ahem* not-so-legit activation technique?
Likely going to install this tonight, seeing a lot of things in my current install are broken.
Does anyone know if there are any 8.1 ISO's available? ( I have a key) Or do I just reinstall 8 then update?
Re-install 8 then upgrade.
-
Everything looks great, the customization and the fluid experience
but.....
I cant seems to get my steam working properly
COD BO II unable to load, bioshock infinite rendered wrongly which make it look 3d ish
man... nothings perfect I guess :(
-
Anyone know how to set your Start button to operate like it used to? (In windows 7) I like sticking to my old ways :'(
-
Anyone know how to set your Start button to operate like it used to? (In windows 7) I like sticking to my old ways :'(
Download a third party one.
-
The Stardock one is really good and is like 5 bucks or something.
-
Anyone know how to set your Start button to operate like it used to? (In windows 7) I like sticking to my old ways :'(
Download a third party one.
Wont that look stupid with the windows 8.1 start button?
-
Anyone know how to set your Start button to operate like it used to? (In windows 7) I like sticking to my old ways :'(
Download a third party one.
Wont that look stupid with the windows 8.1 start button?
They normally completely replace the start button
http://www.classicshell.net/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2054422/five-tools-to-bring-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8-1.html
-
Vista was terrible. I remember when it first came out, I was working for Toshiba at the time. And the thing just didn't have any drivers. Customer buys laptop, and there's no sound. Or no wifi. Vista was just a terrible, terrible mess.
Just playing devil's advocate, here, but how was that Vista's fault? It sounds more like Toshiba's fault (or that of your component suppliers).
I agree that it adds up to a poor user experience. And it was partly experiences like this... especially early on... that earned Vista such a bad rap. The OS itself was solid. It consumed a lot of resources, yes, but given appropriate hardware (and drivers) it ran just fine.
Win7 was certainly better in most ways... but it was really just a *refinement* of Vista. (And, fortunately, the hardware makers had finally caught up.)
In the same way, Win 8.1 is just a refinement of Win 8.
-
No-one has ever made a convincing or legitimate argument for why Windows 8 is so bad. The only "argument" ever used is "I don't like Metro" which is completely subjective and runs counter to actual objective data (like the fact it requires less mouse clicks and keystrokes to achieve the same actions in windows 8 than it did in Windows 7.
The removal and hiding of system backup features can be a big problem. I'll crib a post from another message board explaining:
There are also some truly bizarre decisions made in 8.1 that just left me scratching my head. For example, the hiding of Libraries from the default view of File Explorer and the removal of the Windows 7 File Recovery component of Windows Control Panel, along with its automatic Windows Backup feature. It can be argued that the new File History feature in Windows 8, which is similar, makes the older method redundant. Except that File History doesn't allow a choice of folders to backup. It only backs up the contents of your Desktop, Favorites, Contacts, and Libraries. So the only true automated backup alternative left available in Windows 8.1 depends entirely on users adding files and folders to their Libraries for it to be effective - yet the OS now hides Libraries by default.
The removal of Windows 7 File Recovery means the System Image Backup method has been removed from ready view as well. This is one of the most important backup methods and one which I use on a regular basis. Thankfully, it hasn't been removed from the OS completely, it's been relegated to an obscure corner of the File History window. And it doesn't show up in any Windows Search results, which means M$ hid it on purpose.
I believe Microsoft has hidden or removed existing backup features in Windows 8, which are quite useful and have come to be relied upon by many users such as myself, as a blind push to get people to use their cloud-based services, particularly SkyDrive. I don't think I need to get into how foolish it is to forgo local backup and rely solely on cloud for system and file backups. The privacy and data loss implications are huge, what with the NSA essentially having tech companies like Microsoft on a leash, and there's no guarantee that SkyDrive servers won't be hacked or experience data loss
Link (http://forum.notebookreview.com/windows-os-software/733780-8-1-start-button-ms-still-pouting.html#post9395234)
I don't hate Windows 8, but after reading that Windows 8.1 really doesn't fix much of anything (while breaking some other stuff), I am still not in a hurry to change from Windows 7.
-
An interesting variety of receptions here. I think I'll just stick with Windows 98 for the time being though. Runs great on my old but rock-solid 1996 Compaq with a Pentium processor. And it's even got the start menu!
-
Vista was terrible. I remember when it first came out, I was working for Toshiba at the time. And the thing just didn't have any drivers. Customer buys laptop, and there's no sound. Or no wifi. Vista was just a terrible, terrible mess.
Just playing devil's advocate, here, but how was that Vista's fault? It sounds more like Toshiba's fault (or that of your component suppliers).
I agree that it adds up to a poor user experience. And it was partly experiences like this... especially early on... that earned Vista such a bad rap. The OS itself was solid. It consumed a lot of resources, yes, but given appropriate hardware (and drivers) it ran just fine.
Win7 was certainly better in most ways... but it was really just a *refinement* of Vista. (And, fortunately, the hardware makers had finally caught up.)
In the same way, Win 8.1 is just a refinement of Win 8.
Well Windows 7 at least provided the required, basic drivers with the initial operating system. Vista didn't. We would have to suggest 3rd party drivers to clients and tell them to install them at their own risk.
-
If I can get w8 for free, is it worth upgrading from 7?
NOOOOO!!!!!
Unless you like having to load the desktop as an Application, not have the taskbar or status bar visible when running Metro apps, enjoy moving your mouse all the way to the corner of the screen to do task switching or find an app, want to drag apps down to close them, want to search harder to find particular system settings, want a harder to read programs menu with big ugly icons, etc...
Touch interfaces belong on touch devices... At least in my opinion.
Each to their own, though. If you like Metro, then go for it, but definitely try it out before you decide.
-
Been trying to update since last night but always fails.
I guess it's driver issues.
I don't want to use the driver provided through windows update.
Sucks I know. But what to do what do
-
I am going to be getting 8.1 here in a few minutes. I would just like to say you could setup 8 to boot straight to desktop. Don't remember how I did it but mine does. Also I have the metro UI but I love 8. I went from XP to 7RC to 7 official to this. I really like the performance improvements I just wish Microsoft would up the bar on the efficiency of the registry. Because by my limited knowledge of under the hood stuffs this is one place that Mac OS's have a huge improvement over Windoze.
-
Anyone know how to set your Start button to operate like it used to? (In windows 7) I like sticking to my old ways :'(
Download a third party one.
Wont that look stupid with the windows 8.1 start button?
They normally completely replace the start button
http://www.classicshell.net/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2054422/five-tools-to-bring-the-start-menu-back-to-windows-8-1.html
I recommend this one: http://www.startisback.com/
seems to be the best one around.
-
Using classic shell, cheers spam. Looks just like windows 7, works great and all. Cheers!
-
My 8.1 Search isn't functioning well at all :( Even built-in Windows functions that used to show up with 8.0 Search results no longer do--only very generic ones. For example, 'control panel' is fine. But 'remote' to look for Windows Remote Assistance (I help my mom with her computer sometimes) brings up only 'Windows Remote Desktop' and nothing else, whereas it worked fine with 8.0 giving a few results including Remote Assistance. Likewise searching for 'monitor' to get monitor calibration option brings nothing. There've been so many examples like that since switching to 8.1, I want to throw something at my computer, as I'd gotten very used to using the Search function with 8.0, and now it's not working. Have I missed something?
-
Hmm, Remote comes up with an option for Remote assistance on mine.
You can also use Win-W instead of Win-S to search Windows system things like that.
[)amien
-
Doesn't work that way either. I think I need to reset something.
-
I've been running Windows 8 on my main computer since it came out, I just updated my ThinkPad to Windows 8.1 and I'm really pleased with it. I can't update my main system to Windows 8.1 just yet, as my fan controller isn't currently supported yet but when it is, I'll be updating.
-
Updating now. Lets see how it is..
-
Is alt f4 still the fastest way to turn of the system?
-
Is alt f4 still the fastest way to turn of the system?
That's never been the fastest way to turn off the system. The fastest way is to either set your computer's power button to Shut Down the machine when pressed, or to set up an AutoHotkey script to do it.
-
I added the shut down button shortcut to the start menu (bottom left). So I just hit the Win key and click on that icon. It's pretty fast.
-
Is alt f4 still the fastest way to turn of the system?
That's never been the fastest way to turn off the system. The fastest way is to either set your computer's power button to Shut Down the machine when pressed, or to set up an AutoHotkey script to do it.
I worded that very poorly, I meant is there a way similar to winkey-left arrowkey-enter to turn off. I remember an old IT teacher telling me to never turn off via holding down the power button unless you couldn't power off through windows. Might be total bull**** though.
-
Is alt f4 still the fastest way to turn of the system?
That's never been the fastest way to turn off the system. The fastest way is to either set your computer's power button to Shut Down the machine when pressed, or to set up an AutoHotkey script to do it.
I worded that very poorly, I meant is there a way similar to winkey-left arrowkey-enter to turn off. I remember an old IT teacher telling me to never turn off via holding down the power button unless you couldn't power off through windows. Might be total bull**** though.
I think what photoelectric is saying is in the options in windows you can change what happens when you just press the power button like when you turn it on. You can have it function as a shut down the same as if you jumped through all the hoops to do it in the OS with the mouse.
-
No, I meant that I've made a shortcut to shutdown.exe and added it to the start screen. So clicking on the shortcut shuts down the computer without any approval dialog boxes.
[attachimg=1]
P.S.: found an article (http://blogs.technet.com/b/uspartner_ts2team/archive/2012/12/30/add-a-1-click-shutdown-to-your-windows-8-start-screen.aspx) describing steps on how to do this.
Mine has zero delay:
[attachimg=2]
-
Win+I > Power > Shutdown.
Or mouse only: Right click on Windows logo > Shut down or sign out > Shutdown.
[)amien
-
That takes longer :)
-
I only use ALT+F4 to shutdown when in a remote session, otherwise I usually just right click start and choose shutdown.
-
I never actually shut my machine down, just set the power saving options to what you want and leave it be.
[)amien
-
As an update, deleting the C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Search\Data directory has helped fix my broken Search function (make sure to stop the Microsoft Windows Search Indexer process in the Task Manager first).
-
Thanks a ton Photoelectric, It works perfectly.
-
Updated to 8.1 last night.
Had some MAJOR issues with my digital sound not working, uninstalling drivers seems to have fixed it (Dafuq? no drivers = it works?)
Anyway, I like 8.1 more than 8 and I liked 8 more than 7 from a power users perspective.
I also updated to Mavericks the same night, much more love for that. ;)
-
Just figured out why my Search Everywhere function kept breaking. I had a hunch that drive indexing had something to do with it, and normally I kept that off on Windows 7 and Windows 8 with no detriment. Windows 8.1 seems to need it enabled, however, as Search does not function properly without it.
[attachimg=1]
Also figured out why Remote Assistance was not working in general--disabling VMWare virtual adapters fixed it.
Now I need to fix folder sorting... it's totally broken after updating to 8.1 :(
-
Just figured out why my Search Everywhere function kept breaking. I had a hunch that drive indexing had something to do with it, and normally I kept that off on Windows 7 and Windows 8 with no detriment. Windows 8.1 seems to need it enabled, however, as Search does not function properly without it.
(Attachment Link)
Also figured out why Remote Assistance was not working in general--disabling VMWare virtual adapters fixed it.
Now I need to fix folder sorting... it's totally broken after updating to 8.1 :(
Windows 8 still has that old drive properties dialog? With Metro or whatever it is called now and OpenGL and DirectX and everything else, they still have that old Windows 95-like properties dialog?
-
I don't see what's wrong with those. They are familiar and to the point.
-
Whatever you do, do not try to register a Windows 8 Media Center product key on a machine running Windows 8.1
it will deactivate your Windows installation, without anyway to reactivate.
I will be spending the next few days reinstalling Windows 8 Pro, then installing all my drivers, and then upgrading to Windows 8.1 Pro and then reinstalling all my software.
-
Whatever you do, do not try to register a Windows 8 Media Center product key on a machine running Windows 8.1
it will deactivate your Windows installation, without anyway to reactivate.
I will be spending the next few days reinstalling Windows 8 Pro, then installing all my drivers, and then upgrading to Windows 8.1 Pro and then reinstalling all my software.
What I did was Install 8 then add Media center, and then upgrade to 8.1.
I'm now on 8.1 with media center.
-
Exactly what happened with Windows Vista and Windows 7 which are virtually identical operating systems but had vastly different receptions.
With all due respect, are you on crack??? That's like saying Windows ME is virtually identical to Windows 2000. And that statement itself doesn't even make sense seeing as how ME was a 9x OS and 2000 is NT... but then again that's the point I'm trying to make.
It's not at all like saying that. Compare a fully-updated version of Windows Vista to Windows 7 on the same hardware and if you're honest, you'll find they're barely distinguishable.
Vista was terrible. I remember when it first came out, I was working for Toshiba at the time. And the thing just didn't have any drivers. Customer buys laptop, and there's no sound. Or no wifi. Vista was just a terrible, terrible mess. 7 on the other hand came out solid, and it still is. So is 8, I don't see too many problems with it. Nothing serious at least.
This is my point. I don't see how you can write this and not realise the flaws in your argument. As you correctly identified one of the biggest problems upon Vista's release was the lack of drivers, underpowered hardware, etc. Not any fault of the OS itself. The reason Windows 7 appears to be better by people that don't know any better is because of patches since Vista's release, a more mature driver and software ecosystem, and the fact the hardware was seven years newer and vastly more powerful.
-
Exactly what happened with Windows Vista and Windows 7 which are virtually identical operating systems but had vastly different receptions.
With all due respect, are you on crack??? That's like saying Windows ME is virtually identical to Windows 2000. And that statement itself doesn't even make sense seeing as how ME was a 9x OS and 2000 is NT... but then again that's the point I'm trying to make.
It's not at all like saying that. Compare a fully-updated version of Windows Vista to Windows 7 on the same hardware and if you're honest, you'll find they're barely distinguishable.
Vista was terrible. I remember when it first came out, I was working for Toshiba at the time. And the thing just didn't have any drivers. Customer buys laptop, and there's no sound. Or no wifi. Vista was just a terrible, terrible mess. 7 on the other hand came out solid, and it still is. So is 8, I don't see too many problems with it. Nothing serious at least.
This is my point. I don't see how you can write this and not realise the flaws in your argument. As you correctly identified one of the biggest problems upon Vista's release was the lack of drivers, underpowered hardware, etc. Not any fault of the OS itself. The reason Windows 7 appears to be better by people that don't know any better is because of patches since Vista's release, a more mature driver and software ecosystem, and the fact the hardware was seven years newer and vastly more powerful.
So you're saying if I take Windows ME and run it on the most powerful hardware available it will become a better operating system? Cuz that's essentially what your trying to say about Vista here, and that argument just doesn't seem logical...
Don't get me wrong, I understand your argument. On the software level Vista and 7 are quite similar. But that doesn't change the fact that upon release Vista WAS a piece of **** (for reasons stated above) and that did have a direct impact on how people perceived it. Making statements about how all those issues can be solved now isn't going to change their minds on that...
It's called gaining a bad reputation. Whether it is warranted or not is irrelevant, it will be hard to change that reputation.
-
Windows ME wouldn't suddenly become better if you used it on modern hardware though. It was legitimately bad. Vista wasn't. I'm not trying to alter people's opinions, I'm just mocking them for being uninformed. You're seem to be in a rather confused position where you apparently are aware that Vista is no different from 7, but still under the impression Vista is bad somehow.
-
Just saw this.
To make it clear, I wasn't presenting an argument. I was presenting facts. For nearly 2 months after Vista launched, the OS didn't have any drivers or proper support. That is not an argument. That is a cold hard fact.
If they improved it since then with updates and patches, which I am sure they have, is irrelevant. The point was that upon launch, it was a mess - and nothing you say can change history. So yes, Vista was "legitimately bad" for the first 3-4 months after it was released. And because it was released with what seems to be zero testing on Microsoft's behalf, it ruined the faith and trust of another people who shunned the OS altogether and just stuck with Windows XP.
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
Except for it's biggest problem, the horrible new start menu.
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
Except for it's biggest problem, the horrible new start menu.
Just change it. So many people complain about this yet it literally takes less than 2 minutes to download something and set it up to your liking.
-
Windows ME wouldn't suddenly become better if you used it on modern hardware though. It was legitimately bad. Vista wasn't. I'm not trying to alter people's opinions, I'm just mocking them for being uninformed. You're seem to be in a rather confused position where you apparently are aware that Vista is no different from 7, but still under the impression Vista is bad somehow.
Fair enough. To clarify my perspective:
In situations that you describe, I could see where Vista could considered a good OS comparable to 7. But from personal experience with dealing with Vista, it just didn't seem that great to me.
-
...you apparently are aware that Vista is no different from 7...
Um... right. Vista had poor driver support, UAC was crap, had more background processes run at startup, wasn't stable and the flashy graphics "features" weren't very well optimised. Win7 has a lot of the same features, but it is far more stable, has better driver support and more optimised and integrated peripheral / graphics support.
Here is a nice chart of some of the differences:
(http://www.intowindows.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/differencebetweenvistaandwindows7.jpg)
Going from XP to 7 was a good step (more stable and better overall performance, despite the flashier UI), but Win8 doesn't have any new feature / fix that I care about and I truly hate Metro, so I'll stick with 7.
-
UAC is still ruining my life even on win 8 :D
-
Just saw this.
To make it clear, I wasn't presenting an argument. I was presenting facts. For nearly 2 months after Vista launched, the OS didn't have any drivers or proper support. That is not an argument. That is a cold hard fact.
If they improved it since then with updates and patches, which I am sure they have, is irrelevant. The point was that upon launch, it was a mess - and nothing you say can change history. So yes, Vista was "legitimately bad" for the first 3-4 months after it was released. And because it was released with what seems to be zero testing on Microsoft's behalf, it ruined the faith and trust of another people who shunned the OS altogether and just stuck with Windows XP.
Right, but people were Vista-bashing for years, right up until - and even after - 7 was launched, which the same people hailed as the greatest Microsoft OS ever - despite it being an incremental update. Same thing is happening/going to happen with Windows 8.
-
UAC is still ruining my life even on win 8 :D
Mac OS X has something very similar that requires your password every time.
[)amien
-
UAC is still ruining my life even on win 8 :D
Mac OS X has something very similar that requires your password every time.
[)amien
I use both and the uac is way more annoing that the mac. The mac ask you the pass only for program that have access to system files etc.
Uac simple ask you permission for everything.
-
The mac ask you the pass only for program that have access to system files etc.
so does UAC...
-
I only see UAC when installing and updating some programs. It only annoys me when I have to fight with it when making system file modifications/replace. If you are on standard user account, not 'admin' type account then perhaps it's more annoying and frequent.
-
I only see UAC when installing and updating some programs. It only annoys me when I have to fight with it when making system file modifications/replace. If you are on standard user account, not 'admin' type account then perhaps it's more annoying and frequent.
I didn't knew that uac is less annoying in a non admin profile. I only use win for playing and i have an admin acc, for everything I install (even something stupid) it ask me permission and that black screen is so annoing :|
I usually disable it since i pointless if you know what are you doing, but everytime i need to fix others people pc i hate it (Considering that their pc is bloated with all the junk in the worls and sometime you have to wait even 15 sec to uac message pup out)
-
Then you can set it to boot straight to desktop and then it is not different to Windows 7 really.
Except for it's biggest problem, the horrible new start menu.
Just change it. So many people complain about this yet it literally takes less than 2 minutes to download something and set it up to your liking.
Isn't this the point - that the latest and greatest operating system from Microsoft is severely lacking in at least that one obvious and frequently used area? If 8 was so much better, why is everyone (lots of people) trying to make it look and operate like 7?
UAC is still ruining my life even on win 8 :D
Mac OS X has something very similar that requires your password every time.
[)amien
This is common across most Unix-like operating systems. Instead of logging in as root (superuser) to adjust system files, you "sudo" - temporarily become super user, provided you have permission to do so.
I only see UAC when installing and updating some programs. It only annoys me when I have to fight with it when making system file modifications/replace. If you are on standard user account, not 'admin' type account then perhaps it's more annoying and frequent.
What gets me (with 7) is trying to delete an open file (before I realise it is open). Delete fails, Windows asks "do you want to try again with administrative privileges?". I say yes, and it fails again. Damnit Windows, just tell me the file is open by such-and-such a process in the first place.
-
What gets me (with 7) is trying to delete an open file (before I realise it is open). Delete fails, Windows asks "do you want to try again with administrative privileges?". I say yes, and it fails again. Damnit Windows, just tell me the file is open by such-and-such a process in the first place.
That's actually good info to know anyways for when you want to delete something and can't figure out what does have it open....
-
What gets me (with 7) is trying to delete an open file (before I realise it is open). Delete fails, Windows asks "do you want to try again with administrative privileges?". I say yes, and it fails again. Damnit Windows, just tell me the file is open by such-and-such a process in the first place.
That's actually good info to know anyways for when you want to delete something and can't figure out what does have it open....
Same for ejecting a USB memory stick. I keep forgetting to get screen captures, but Windows says "drive cannot be ejected now" and Mac says "Application X is using files on that drive". Something like that.
-
Except for it's biggest problem, the horrible new start menu.
Just change it. So many people complain about this yet it literally takes less than 2 minutes to download something and set it up to your liking.
Isn't this the point - that the latest and greatest operating system from Microsoft is severely lacking in at least that one obvious and frequently used area? If 8 was so much better, why is everyone (lots of people) trying to make it look and operate like 7?
Every time there's a non-trivial change to the start-menu, it *always* spawns a little cottage-industry of applications intended to make it work like the previous version. It happened with XP (people preferred the Win98/2k start menu). It happened with Vista (people preferred the XP start menu). And it happened again with Win8 (people prefer the Vista/Win7 start menu).
People don't like change. Nothing to see here. Move along.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I run most of my Windows apps full screen because Windows can never remember where to put the windows each time I open the apps.
Other operating systems do remember, and the non-maximised windows appear in the same place each time.
This might not sound like a big deal, but when you open a couple of applications at the same time it helps to know where each window will appear.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I run most of my Windows apps full screen because Windows can never remember where to put the windows each time I open the apps.
Other operating systems do remember, and the non-maximised windows appear in the same place each time.
This might not sound like a big deal, but when you open a couple of applications at the same time it helps to know where each window will appear.
What I'd love to see as a feature is dual monitor support that remembers where things were on the second monitor since I accidentally hit the button when answering the phone and then have to manually reposition all my windows :(
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
-
Agreed.
I like how they enabled proper split screen in the latest update. In the initial version it wasn't implemented well, but I really like it (and use it) now.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
Well that is actually true, but even if the apps can be windowed the rest of the system is full screen. I admit that i havent used w8 much, but for example there is the control pannel like in win7 and the settings in the modern ui. I was a bit confused that some option were in the control pannel and other in the settings. Right now is just confusing many friend said to me that is just habit, maybe is true, but i don't really like much that i need to habituate to do something that is logically incorrect.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
Well that is actually true, but even if the apps can be windowed the rest of the system is full screen. I admit that i havent used w8 much, but for example there is the control pannel like in win7 and the settings in the modern ui. I was a bit confused that some option were in the control pannel and other in the settings. Right now is just confusing many friend said to me that is just habit, maybe is true, but i don't really like much that i need to habituate to do something that is logically incorrect.
I could be wrong here, but as I understand it, the Metro settings application is essentially a 'wrapper' for the settings in the Control Panel, except for cases where the setting is explicitly only applicable to a Metro application.
So in other words - if you never intend to use the Metro applications, every setting you should ever need to change, you should only ever need to use Control Panel for this.
If you're wanting access to settings that are only available inside the Metro Settings application, then you clearly actually do want to use Metro Apps...
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
Well that is actually true, but even if the apps can be windowed the rest of the system is full screen. I admit that i havent used w8 much, but for example there is the control pannel like in win7 and the settings in the modern ui. I was a bit confused that some option were in the control pannel and other in the settings. Right now is just confusing many friend said to me that is just habit, maybe is true, but i don't really like much that i need to habituate to do something that is logically incorrect.
I could be wrong here, but as I understand it, the Metro settings application is essentially a 'wrapper' for the settings in the Control Panel, except for cases where the setting is explicitly only applicable to a Metro application.
So in other words - if you never intend to use the Metro applications, every setting you should ever need to change, you should only ever need to use Control Panel for this.
If you're wanting access to settings that are only available inside the Metro Settings application, then you clearly actually do want to use Metro Apps...
To change the password you need to use the metro settings, while you can't in the user setting in the control pannel :(
-
Don't you have "User Accounts" in the Control Panel?
-
Don't you have "User Accounts" in the Control Panel?
When my sister tried to change the passwrod i searched in the user accounts, tehre were settings for uac, user image etc, but none about changing password. It was only in the settings in the moder ui.
-
Not really. Most of user accounts functionality is only available in PC settings now. I could really care less about what is in control panel or PC settings, as long as I can find it.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
Well that is actually true, but even if the apps can be windowed the rest of the system is full screen. I admit that i havent used w8 much, but for example there is the control pannel like in win7 and the settings in the modern ui. I was a bit confused that some option were in the control pannel and other in the settings. Right now is just confusing many friend said to me that is just habit, maybe is true, but i don't really like much that i need to habituate to do something that is logically incorrect.
I could be wrong here, but as I understand it, the Metro settings application is essentially a 'wrapper' for the settings in the Control Panel, except for cases where the setting is explicitly only applicable to a Metro application.
So in other words - if you never intend to use the Metro applications, every setting you should ever need to change, you should only ever need to use Control Panel for this.
If you're wanting access to settings that are only available inside the Metro Settings application, then you clearly actually do want to use Metro Apps...
To change the password you need to use the metro settings, while you can't in the user setting in the control pannel :(
are you logging in with a Microsoft Account? if so, that is why.
if you don't want to use metro settings to change the password, you use the website (hotmail) to change the password. or just use a local account instead of a Microsoft one.
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
Well that is actually true, but even if the apps can be windowed the rest of the system is full screen. I admit that i havent used w8 much, but for example there is the control pannel like in win7 and the settings in the modern ui. I was a bit confused that some option were in the control pannel and other in the settings. Right now is just confusing many friend said to me that is just habit, maybe is true, but i don't really like much that i need to habituate to do something that is logically incorrect.
I could be wrong here, but as I understand it, the Metro settings application is essentially a 'wrapper' for the settings in the Control Panel, except for cases where the setting is explicitly only applicable to a Metro application.
So in other words - if you never intend to use the Metro applications, every setting you should ever need to change, you should only ever need to use Control Panel for this.
If you're wanting access to settings that are only available inside the Metro Settings application, then you clearly actually do want to use Metro Apps...
To change the password you need to use the metro settings, while you can't in the user setting in the control pannel :(
are you logging in with a Microsoft Account? if so, that is why.
if you don't want to use metro settings to change the password, you use the website (hotmail) to change the password. or just use a local account instead of a Microsoft one.
Well it was my sister pc XD
-
Because it's not just about the way Windows 8 looks, I feel it performs a lot better than Windows 7. It's quicker at pretty much everything. But old habits die hard - I'm so used to pulling up the Start menu with the simple click of a button.
I actually don't mind not havint the start button, the thing i really hate in win 8 is that is pushing to have everything fullscreen.
I hate fullscreen apps XD
I said that they are pushing for that direction...
I know that many apps doesn't work that way, but is not excluded that in the future ms will push even harder in that direction
Have you even actually used Windows 8? Because from the way you're talking about it, you haven't actually used it.
You do not have to run everything fullscreen.
Seriously, the FUD surrounding Windows 8 is ridiculous.
It's not excluded that at any point you could be mortally wounded in an accident, or that a meteorite might crash into the Earth and wipe us all out.
My point is, just because something could happen (and we're talking realistically many years away with your suggested scenario) doesn't mean you should just rule it out altogether because of something which you actually currently have the legitimate control over.
Well that is actually true, but even if the apps can be windowed the rest of the system is full screen. I admit that i havent used w8 much, but for example there is the control pannel like in win7 and the settings in the modern ui. I was a bit confused that some option were in the control pannel and other in the settings. Right now is just confusing many friend said to me that is just habit, maybe is true, but i don't really like much that i need to habituate to do something that is logically incorrect.
I could be wrong here, but as I understand it, the Metro settings application is essentially a 'wrapper' for the settings in the Control Panel, except for cases where the setting is explicitly only applicable to a Metro application.
So in other words - if you never intend to use the Metro applications, every setting you should ever need to change, you should only ever need to use Control Panel for this.
If you're wanting access to settings that are only available inside the Metro Settings application, then you clearly actually do want to use Metro Apps...
To change the password you need to use the metro settings, while you can't in the user setting in the control pannel :(
are you logging in with a Microsoft Account? if so, that is why.
if you don't want to use metro settings to change the password, you use the website (hotmail) to change the password. or just use a local account instead of a Microsoft one.
Well it was my sister pc XD
I would hazard a guess that she is using a Microsoft account, so that would explain why.
-
Is there a way to switch back to using a local user account instead of a Microsoft account?
-
Is there a way to switch back to using a local user account instead of a Microsoft account?
You need one for initial setup, but you can go into the Metro Accounts setting and remove your Microsoft account from there. Then you create a local one.
-
Is there a way to switch back to using a local user account instead of a Microsoft account?
You need one for initial setup, but you can go into the Metro Accounts setting and remove your Microsoft account from there. Then you create a local one.
Cool thanks I had a local account but then 8.1 wanted a new one for the setup
-
I find it marginally convenient to have a live account, because my OH has a Surface tablet, and when I log in with my user name on it, it has a lot of my settings automatically loaded to mirror those on my desktop, like my wallpaper. Too bad I only ever use IE on the Surface and never on my desktop.
-
Well, I just got myself a copy of Windows 8 and I'm gonna install it on one of my PC's tonight. The moment of truth is coming!
-
You don't need MS account for set up. You can set up with local account from the beginning if you like... the secret is starting the installer without any network connection it then defaults to local account instead of trying to make you use live account.
-
I've done a few Windows 8 installs for clients at work, and there is a slightly hidden button someplace that will let you install Windows 8 without a Microsoft account. Now, of course, this evening, I'll have to find that button again.
And then, after that, I'll have to figure out how to un-hide the local administrator account. Seems that after Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft has liked to play tricks with the built-in local admin.
Overall, though, I'll be interested to see how it turns out!
-
Well, I just got myself a copy of Windows 8 and I'm gonna install it on one of my PC's tonight. The moment of truth is coming!
I think you might need a Floating Point Unit in order to run Windows 8.1
you'll have to get that Cyrix chip! go for green (heatsink)
-
Well, I just got myself a copy of Windows 8 and I'm gonna install it on one of my PC's tonight. The moment of truth is coming!
Will it run on 486 CPU? ;)
-
Well, I just got myself a copy of Windows 8 and I'm gonna install it on one of my PC's tonight. The moment of truth is coming!
Will it run on 486 CPU? ;)
Or even a P5 or P6 architecture? Please let us know what sort of hardware you're installing it on to, very curious to see if Win8 will actually work ::) .
-
I'm going to run it on a Core 2 duo machine I got from work. We'll have to see how it goes...I'll be using my good ol' Pentiums in the meantime.
-
I'm going to run it on a Core 2 duo machine I got from work. We'll have to see how it goes...I'll be using my good ol' Pentiums in the meantime.
I still love Windows 7 Ultimate/Pro SP1, I know this is the Windows 8.1 section and I'm going to get my arse kicked here, but I have been using win8 Pro and it's just not what I fancy at all. The downside I actually paid for it and am stuck with using it on one machine.
Nothing in Win8 is available that isn't available in Win7 and that's the kicker here. I don't like/use the Metro crap (only difference between the 2 OS versions), hence I didn't see the point of upgrading all my PC's with Win8.
-
I'm going to run it on a Core 2 duo machine I got from work. We'll have to see how it goes...I'll be using my good ol' Pentiums in the meantime.
I still love Windows 7 Ultimate/Pro SP1, I know this is the Windows 8.1 section and I'm going to get my arse kicked here, but I have been using win8 Pro and it's just not what I fancy at all. The downside I actually paid for it and am stuck with using it on one machine.
Nothing in Win8 is available that isn't available in Win7 and that's the kicker here. I don't like/use the Metro crap (only difference between the 2 OS versions), hence I didn't see the point of upgrading all my PC's with Win8.
There is a TON more than just ui differences. The vast majority of stuff is performance and speed upgrades along with native support for USB 3.0 among other things.
Speaking of which has anyone found a fix for the USB 3.0 issue with 8.1?
-
I'm going to run it on a Core 2 duo machine I got from work. We'll have to see how it goes...I'll be using my good ol' Pentiums in the meantime.
I still love Windows 7 Ultimate/Pro SP1, I know this is the Windows 8.1 section and I'm going to get my arse kicked here, but I have been using win8 Pro and it's just not what I fancy at all. The downside I actually paid for it and am stuck with using it on one machine.
Nothing in Win8 is available that isn't available in Win7 and that's the kicker here. I don't like/use the Metro crap (only difference between the 2 OS versions), hence I didn't see the point of upgrading all my PC's with Win8.
There is a TON more than just ui differences. The vast majority of stuff is performance and speed upgrades along with native support for USB 3.0 among other things.
Speaking of which has anyone found a fix for the USB 3.0 issue with 8.1?
yeah most of the beneficial things with Windows 8.x are the changes to the kernel - it's now tickless, which basically means that when idling the CPU isn't constantly waking itself up to see if there are any jobs left to do. This improves power efficiency. There are numerous other enhancements under the hood on Windows 8.x too.
What USb 3.0 issue? I've been running Windows 8.1 on my ThinkPad with USB 3.0 and there haven't been any problems whatsoever.
-
Since I installed 8.1 my usb 3.0 doesn't work. I tried the entire delete the driver ans scan for hardware changes and this worked the first time but had to restart due to a different update (video card driver I think) and that doesn't even work. The mobo is an Asus P8P67EVO. If I remember correctly when this board was made windows 8 was still a very long way off.
-
Since I installed 8.1 my usb 3.0 doesn't work. I tried the entire delete the driver ans scan for hardware changes and this worked the first time but had to restart due to a different update (video card driver I think) and that doesn't even work. The mobo is an Asus P8P67EVO. If I remember correctly when this board was made windows 8 was still a very long way off.
definitely sounds like some kind of issue with you particular set up - Windows 8 has had native support for USB 3.0 since release, I've had no problems on my main rig that is still running Windows 8 due to the issues with mouse lag on Windows 8.1, and my ThinkPad as I already mentioned is running Windows 8.1 and is working just fine.
-
Well the 3.0 worked flawless until the 8.1 install.
-
Well the 3.0 worked flawless until the 8.1 install.
Which can totally be something driver related.
When you were running Windows 8, were you using the built-in USB 3.0 support, or had you installed chipset drivers? If you had installed chipset drivers, uninstall the pertinent drivers and see how that goes.
-
Mine works fine using the on-disc drivers. This is on a board with the Renesas aka NEC chipset.
-
Well the 3.0 worked flawless until the 8.1 install.
Which can totally be something driver related.
When you were running Windows 8, were you using the built-in USB 3.0 support, or had you installed chipset drivers? If you had installed chipset drivers, uninstall the pertinent drivers and see how that goes.
that's how windows 8 works nowadays.
you install drivers to FIX things, not to make them work the first time. window's class drivers are surprisingly decent actually. I've only HAD to install some realtek drivers to get the front-panel working.