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Would of vote for the Corsair in a heart beat, but the bottom modifiers + space bar really kills it..... that's why CM QFR gets the vote.
Would of vote for the Corsair in a heart beat, but the bottom modifiers + space bar really kills it..... that's why CM QFR gets the vote.
Then ergodox walks in, and melts all the boards on that list with it's Ergorays.... pssssszzap....Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/beautifu2.gif)
Meaningless popularity contest disguised as evaluative survey is meaningless.
Those keyboards are all so much better than the rest :p
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Would of vote for the Corsair in a heart beat, but the bottom modifiers + space bar really kills it..... that's why CM QFR gets the vote.
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
k70 is the best for gaming....the f row is closer and it has reds.No switch is the best for anything.. It's all opinion..
people actually think blues are best for gaming? they're okay, but definitely not the best.
i use to have a razer keyboard. It sucked it gave me so many problems and build quality wasn't great it sucked. I'm never buy a razer keyboard, but for some reason they make great mice ^_^ ahahhaha.
k70 is the best for gaming....the f row is closer and it has reds.No switch is the best for anything.. It's all opinion..
people actually think blues are best for gaming? they're okay, but definitely not the best.
I honestly wish the banners of DT and GH included : "KEYSWITCHES ARE ENTIRELY A MATTER OF OPINION, SO STOP ARGUING OVER WHICH IS BEST"
k70 is the best for gaming....the f row is closer and it has reds.
I used to have a blackwidow. It was actually a good keyboard (EXCEPT FOR THE GODDAMN GLOSS FINISH - ALL KEYBOARDS WITH GLOSS FINISHES SHOULD BE BURNED) until I spilled tea all over it. I don't think I can blame the keyboard for that though.
um. i didn't say a switch was the best? i said just the opposite actually.You implied that reds are the best, and you seemed to be in disbelief that people think blues are the best for gaming.
um. i didn't say a switch was the best? i said just the opposite actually.You implied that reds are the best, and you seemed to be in disbelief that people think blues are the best for gaming.
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
I don't game in the dark but many people do. I still fail to see how having backlights making it a worse gaming keyboard than say, the QFR?
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
I don't game in the dark but many people do. I still fail to see how having backlights making it a worse gaming keyboard than say, the QFR?
I haven't seen anyone game in the dark.. maybe "dim" but not dark...
Do people actually game in the dark? Doesn't that hurt your eyes at all?
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
I don't game in the dark but many people do. I still fail to see how having backlights making it a worse gaming keyboard than say, the QFR?
Companies need to join together and come up with a standard on bottom row.
I actually won't blame iOne for using 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom mod as oppose to 1.25, 1.25, 1.25. I think both were the standards back in the days. Also Matias and Topre both use 1.5, 1, 1.5 mod too.
But would be cool if one day all the companies can all pick one and stick to it. Probably won't happen though........ :(
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
I don't game in the dark but many people do. I still fail to see how having backlights making it a worse gaming keyboard than say, the QFR?
It's not about the backlight, it's about the keycap quality. Sure, if the backlit keycaps were just as good as the ones on Déck Legend keyboards or iPROS LETIS, no one would complain, but they're made outta ultra-cheap thin ABS plastic with some god damn awful coating that can come off just about anytime. And even worse, when they do, you have to buy a new keyboard since its modifiers aren't standard, you can't replace them for kits sold on the internet, you can't customize it completely.
So... what can happen when keycaps are bad? Well, besides the keyboard itself feeling like crap, there can be other issues:
Logitech G710+ on the left, came that way from factory. Its keycaps can be removed easily by using your finger and they come off when you turn the keyboard around.Show Image(http://imageshack.us/a/img28/1173/biym.jpg)
CM Quick Fire TK MX Blue:Show Image(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42284.0;attach=18408;image)
CM Quick Fire TK MX Brown:Show Image(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/niciusvi/WP_000485.jpg)
Mionix Zibal 60 MX Black:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/STcdw.jpg)
Meanwhile, while the CM Quick Fire Rapid keycaps are not the best available in the market, they're far better than the crap used on almost all backlit keyboards.
Also razer has almost zero customization. Each BW has one preset backlit color and switch. You can't even change keycaps that easily as they have weird modifier keys.
iOne is actually working on making some new keyboards with RGB backlighting with Kailh, they lost way too many clients in 2012~2013 and are going to start making cheap RGB backlit mechanical keyboards with Kailh switches very soon.
Brace yourselves for a new batch of crappy backlit gaming mechanical keyboards with terrible keycaps coming up soon.
You implied that reds are the best, and you seemed to be in disbelief that people think blues are the best for gaming.
Thinking about it, the choc mini is probably truly the best gaming keyboard.
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iOne is actually working on making some new keyboards with RGB backlighting with Kailh, they lost way too many clients in 2012~2013 and are going to start making cheap RGB backlit mechanical keyboards with Kailh switches very soon.
Brace yourselves for a new batch of crappy backlit gaming mechanical keyboards with terrible keycaps coming up soon.
Yeah I think first they lost CM Storm then later on Razer too. Yes the new Blackwidow 2013 are not made by iOne anymore, I wonder if the joined the same manufacture for CM Storm TK/Logitech G710+/Corsair K70. And I'd imagine considering the amount Razer sells, losing them is probably a huge loss for iOne.
Though are they finally figure out how do RGB backlit mechanical keyboard now? I've seen one Korean board with such feature, but would be cool if it becomes the norm for all keyboards here onward.
If would actually save companies a lot of money and hassle because they just need to make 1 model to please everyone.
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
I don't game in the dark but many people do. I still fail to see how having backlights making it a worse gaming keyboard than say, the QFR?
I haven't seen anyone game in the dark.. maybe "dim" but not dark...
Do people actually game in the dark? Doesn't that hurt your eyes at all?
It damages it
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
I don't game in the dark but many people do. I still fail to see how having backlights making it a worse gaming keyboard than say, the QFR?
I haven't seen anyone game in the dark.. maybe "dim" but not dark...
Do people actually game in the dark? Doesn't that hurt your eyes at all?
It damages it
[citation needed]
I've read only about temporary dizziness.
To be fair this is a poll for the best gaming keyboard, not the best mechanical keyboard. BWU is not a bad choice for gaming.
Blues aren't really that good to game with, but that's just my opinion
Also what's the point of backlighting while gaming? You probally won't be looking down at the board
Blues are okay for gaming, as you said it's all opinions.
You would be surprised how many people game in darkness. And having backlights doesn't make it worse.
It doesn't make it worse buts its really gimmicky. You'll rarely look down at your hands. And besides, you shouldn't be playing in the dark, thats bad for your eyes
All of this Razer hate is ridiculous. If the QFR was the best selling gaming mechanical keyboard or whatever, people would probably hate on them as well. People just need something to hate on I guess. I've had my BW Tournament Edition for a while now, and I like it. I changed the caps with blank ones that I got from the Keyboard Company, and it's fine. No glossy finish, and the thing is built like a tank with virtually no flex. I've had no problems with the switches, but I have had problems with the Synapse software, so I simply don't use it. Not sure if they fixed it in recent updates, and I don't really care. But the board itself is just fine.
And don't we have Razer to thank for sparking more interest in mechanical keyboards? Blackwidows are a first mech keyboard for a lot of people, then it develops into Filco, Ducky, etc. Hating on a Toyota is absolutely silly, for example. Not everyone can afford a Porsche, or even cares, as long as it does the basics. And yes, the Blackwidow does the basics. Is it expensive for what it is? Yes, but that's all successful marketing.
All of this Razer hate is ridiculous. If the QFR was the best selling gaming mechanical keyboard or whatever, people would probably hate on them as well. People just need something to hate on I guess. I've had my BW Tournament Edition for a while now, and I like it. I changed the caps with blank ones that I got from the Keyboard Company, and it's fine. No glossy finish, and the thing is built like a tank with virtually no flex. I've had no problems with the switches, but I have had problems with the Synapse software, so I simply don't use it. Not sure if they fixed it in recent updates, and I don't really care. But the board itself is just fine.
And don't we have Razer to thank for sparking more interest in mechanical keyboards? Blackwidows are a first mech keyboard for a lot of people, then it develops into Filco, Ducky, etc. Hating on a Toyota is absolutely silly, for example. Not everyone can afford a Porsche, or even cares, as long as it does the basics. And yes, the Blackwidow does the basics. Is it expensive for what it is? Yes, but that's all successful marketing.
The vast majority of BW users probably don't even know what a mechanical switch is past the fact that they're using it. It's a blind introduction, and the image that it gives off of '1337p1@y3r5 only' is pretty bad for the reputation of mechanical as just a great feeling, strong method of input.
Plus, the BW is built well? I haven't heard of a single board needing an RMA from breaking other than BWs here.
No flex? The BWUs I've seen now (had the chance to hand a couple this past week infact) were really flimsy.
I was under the impression that the only difference was that the TE was TKL, and the rest are fullsized keyboards.
Also razer has almost zero customization. Each BW has one preset backlit color and switch. You can't even change keycaps that easily as they have weird modifier keys.Honestly, in a poll of /gamers/ regarding keyboards made for /gaming/, how much sway does is customisability likely to have have?
All of this Razer hate is ridiculous. If the QFR was the best selling gaming mechanical keyboard or whatever, people would probably hate on them as well. People just need something to hate on I guess. I've had my BW Tournament Edition for a while now, and I like it. I changed the caps with blank ones that I got from the Keyboard Company, and it's fine. No glossy finish, and the thing is built like a tank with virtually no flex. I've had no problems with the switches, but I have had problems with the Synapse software, so I simply don't use it. Not sure if they fixed it in recent updates, and I don't really care. But the board itself is just fine.
And don't we have Razer to thank for sparking more interest in mechanical keyboards? Blackwidows are a first mech keyboard for a lot of people, then it develops into Filco, Ducky, etc. Hating on a Toyota is absolutely silly, for example. Not everyone can afford a Porsche, or even cares, as long as it does the basics. And yes, the Blackwidow does the basics. Is it expensive for what it is? Yes, but that's all successful marketing.
The vast majority of BW users probably don't even know what a mechanical switch is past the fact that they're using it. It's a blind introduction, and the image that it gives off of '1337p1@y3r5 only' is pretty bad for the reputation of mechanical as just a great feeling, strong method of input.
Plus, the BW is built well? I haven't heard of a single board needing an RMA from breaking other than BWs here.
the BW is not built well...
The point that ynrozturk makes, is that it's built well-enough... for the casual kid playing his video games..
The keyboard hobby is actually a departure from the intended purpose of the keyboard, to function as an input device....
The keyboard hobby pushes improvement on the device outside of what is immediately useful... into our realm of "preference"... This is the distinction between the typical keyboard-user and us the "keyboard-hobbyist"...
I don't hold our group above the typical user, but our objectives are very different.
All of this Razer hate is ridiculous. If the QFR was the best selling gaming mechanical keyboard or whatever, people would probably hate on them as well. People just need something to hate on I guess. I've had my BW Tournament Edition for a while now, and I like it. I changed the caps with blank ones that I got from the Keyboard Company, and it's fine. No glossy finish, and the thing is built like a tank with virtually no flex. I've had no problems with the switches, but I have had problems with the Synapse software, so I simply don't use it. Not sure if they fixed it in recent updates, and I don't really care. But the board itself is just fine.
And don't we have Razer to thank for sparking more interest in mechanical keyboards? Blackwidows are a first mech keyboard for a lot of people, then it develops into Filco, Ducky, etc. Hating on a Toyota is absolutely silly, for example. Not everyone can afford a Porsche, or even cares, as long as it does the basics. And yes, the Blackwidow does the basics. Is it expensive for what it is? Yes, but that's all successful marketing.
the BW is not built well...
The point that ynrozturk makes, is that it's built well-enough... for the casual kid playing his video games..
The keyboard hobby is actually a departure from the intended purpose of the keyboard, to function as an input device....
The keyboard hobby pushes improvement on the device outside of what is immediately useful... into our realm of "preference"... This is the distinction between the typical keyboard-user and us the "keyboard-hobbyist"...
I don't hold our group above the typical user, but our objectives are very different.
I really don't see why people are saying we're being elitist here. People are showing pictures of things done in a poor way. There genuinely is a quality difference, even compared to that of cheaper boards. No one here is saying it is the worst keyboard on the market, but in comparison to like keyboards, it isn't that good.
I have an ergodox... because I have it... my life is fffffing awesome....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-037.gif)
Reason to avoid Razer: can't identify which language they attempt to use on their 'English' keyboards.
Reason to avoid Razer: can't identify which language they attempt to use on their 'English' keyboards.
Seems to be the same dialect as the one on the QFR and TK.
Reason to avoid Razer: can't identify which language they attempt to use on their 'English' keyboards.
Seems to be the same dialect as the one on the QFR and TK.
Seriously, the only "gaming" company that uses a clean and nice font is Corsair... :(
Reason to avoid Razer: can't identify which language they attempt to use on their 'English' keyboards.
Seems to be the same dialect as the one on the QFR and TK.
The QF is more readable than you might think. Thick, block letters everywhere, which are quite legible.Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/5/59/500x1000px-LL-596858e7_1qEKS.jpeg)
Legible from a distance. The 'A' is stylized and not great for legibility, but it's honestly the only styled keycap, which I don't mind too much.
The BW, on the other hand..Show Image(http://tbreak.com/tech/files/DSC00056.jpg)
Seriously, they're off center, and 'q', 'b', 'v', 'y', and 'p' look horrible.Seriously, the only "gaming" company that uses a clean and nice font is Corsair... :(
Heh, some aren't too bad. Ducky's keyboards, in fact, are completely sans serif.Show Image(http://tigerimports.net/sunshop/images/products/DK9087S3-CUSALAAP1_0_large.jpg)
I agree though, Corsair's font is great. Just wish they didn't pad-print.
Reason to avoid Razer: can't identify which language they attempt to use on their 'English' keyboards.
Seems to be the same dialect as the one on the QFR and TK.
The QF is more readable than you might think. Thick, block letters everywhere, which are quite legible.Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/5/59/500x1000px-LL-596858e7_1qEKS.jpeg)
Legible from a distance. The 'A' is stylized and not great for legibility, but it's honestly the only styled keycap, which I don't mind too much.
The BW, on the other hand..Show Image(http://tbreak.com/tech/files/DSC00056.jpg)
Seriously, they're off center, and 'q', 'b', 'v', 'y', and 'p' look horrible.Seriously, the only "gaming" company that uses a clean and nice font is Corsair... :(
I agree though, Corsair's font is great. Just wish they didn't pad-print.
Do Razer still claim that taking off keycaps voids warranty? I mean who could make such ridiculous statement but a bunch of jerks?LOL! But there is some truth in what you'd said. :thumb:
Also, what's the demographic of that poll? 13-year-old gamer kidz with no common sense? Or the same kind of people that buy Beats by Dre without doing any research? That would explain a lot.
At last but not least, it shouldn't be called "best keyboard", but "most popular keyboard" instead, and the winner is obvious. Razer and SteelSeries are the only companies that have had their mechanical keyboards in nearly every store even in the middle of nowhere since forever.
It was a question to point out a flaw, the keyboards definitely aren't built well.
Plus, backlighting is very useful while gaming in the dark for me.
Love CM storm-- although they do nothing to provide anything over the bare reliable minimum, and Corsair/Logitech are just putting their goods into "appealing" cases. When it comes to the orbweaver Razer provided a fully programmable left handed low latency input device.
Razer isn't my favorite although I will give them credit for doing a service to gaming with a handful of their products.
Not trying to be a ****... but for GAMING I use an orbweaver. It is a game-pad, but really it's just a small keyboard. If we were going to get all nit picky about their entire line-up I would include the orbweaver and stress that the other companies just aren't trying to appeal to the gamer. Features and utility are important.
Love CM storm-- although they do nothing to provide anything over the bare reliable minimum, and Corsair/Logitech are just putting their goods into "appealing" cases. When it comes to the orbweaver Razer provided a fully programmable left handed low latency input device.
Razer isn't my favorite although I will give them credit for doing a service to gaming with a handful of their products.
BWU2013 still uses Synapse 2.0