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Title: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 23 October 2013, 18:51:06
Damn, just got an email letting me know about this baby.

http://www.legitreviews.com/steelseries-introduces-rival-optical-gaming-mouse_127024 (http://www.legitreviews.com/steelseries-introduces-rival-optical-gaming-mouse_127024)

http://steelseries.com/products/mice/steelseries-rival

So, I suppose every SteelSeries fanatic will be after this rodent?  I wouldn't mine trying it out, to see how someone else interprets the optical sensor into their design.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 23 October 2013, 18:51:39
Well finally a sensor that isn't imperfect
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 23 October 2013, 18:57:02
Well finally a sensor that isn't imperfect

Yep and also for the FIRST time an ergonomic mouse instead of their usual ambidextrous models (heaps of them).  My right hand will be pleased  :thumb: .
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: vun on Wed, 23 October 2013, 19:01:50
High end optical mouse from SS that doesn't use the same shape as all other SS mice? Yeah, I'm gonna give this one a spin eventually.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 23 October 2013, 19:07:10
You can put your own 3d printed plated on it. They don't support it yet, though.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: ComradeSniper on Wed, 23 October 2013, 21:44:33
Just got my Sensei yesterday. Ugh.

This looks good though, probably will get one.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:36:58
This look rather large but the scroll wheel is pretty close in also the left and right click button area goes pretty far in too it seems.

So maybe it's designed to cater towards wider hand sizes.  I generally prefer ambidextrous mice but I think this should sell pretty well.

Well finally a sensor that isn't imperfect

Yep and also for the FIRST time an ergonomic mouse instead of their usual ambidextrous models (heaps of them).  My right hand will be pleased  :thumb: .

Actually they had SteelSeries Ikari before that's right handed.  But I think they stopped making those, so luckily there's the replacement now.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Emospence on Thu, 24 October 2013, 10:42:36
Waiting to see if the EC eVo CL is what I'm hoping for before I decide whether or not to give this a spin
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: JPG on Thu, 24 October 2013, 10:47:47
Looks like direct competition to the DA2013. Dunno how it will perform compared to it. And new switches design by them ... interesting!
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:05:25
So this is an ergo right handed version of my old Razer Lachesis?
5600dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G laser sensor
Adjustable Multi-Color LED(Up to 16 million colors)
Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi
60KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
Tracking up to 200 inches per second

The only difference seems to be the form factor, and the sensor (laser @ 5600dpi vs optical @ 6500 dpi)
I might have to give it a try just for the ergonomic effect even though I just replaced my razer's feet with new pads and it's as slick, smooth, and fast as ever

(http://www.spreadrazer.com/edm/lachesisrefresh/pr/images/lachesisPR.gif)
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: deSheol on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:05:51
How much would they be though?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:25:54
Ok, so this is Optical led, and "NOT" laser... (http://s1.postimage.org/15vplpkuc/158.gif)
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:34:06
So this is an ergo right handed version of my old Razer Lachesis?
5600dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G laser sensor
Adjustable Multi-Color LED(Up to 16 million colors)
Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi
60KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
Tracking up to 200 inches per second

The only difference seems to be the form factor, and the sensor (laser @ 5600dpi vs optical @ 6500 dpi)
I might have to give it a try just for the ergonomic effect even though I just replaced my razer's feet with new pads and it's as slick, smooth, and fast as ever

Show Image
(http://www.spreadrazer.com/edm/lachesisrefresh/pr/images/lachesisPR.gif)


Except there isn't synapse
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: HendyZone on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:36:01
need a 3D printer for Rival :cool:
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: JPG on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:37:33
So this is an ergo right handed version of my old Razer Lachesis?
5600dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G laser sensor
Adjustable Multi-Color LED(Up to 16 million colors)
Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi
60KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
Tracking up to 200 inches per second

The only difference seems to be the form factor, and the sensor (laser @ 5600dpi vs optical @ 6500 dpi)
I might have to give it a try just for the ergonomic effect even though I just replaced my razer's feet with new pads and it's as slick, smooth, and fast as ever

Show Image
(http://www.spreadrazer.com/edm/lachesisrefresh/pr/images/lachesisPR.gif)


Except there isn't synapse

You have a problem with synapse? I never had and I had it for the last 2 years.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: vun on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:42:02
So this is an ergo right handed version of my old Razer Lachesis?
5600dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G laser sensor
Adjustable Multi-Color LED(Up to 16 million colors)
Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi
60KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
Tracking up to 200 inches per second

The only difference seems to be the form factor, and the sensor (laser @ 5600dpi vs optical @ 6500 dpi)
I might have to give it a try just for the ergonomic effect even though I just replaced my razer's feet with new pads and it's as slick, smooth, and fast as ever

Show Image
(http://www.spreadrazer.com/edm/lachesisrefresh/pr/images/lachesisPR.gif)


Except there isn't synapse

I figure they called their onboard memory "synapse", since the software is synapse 2.0

But yeah, the Lachesis Refresh is not synapse 2.0 compatible, or wasn't last I checked.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Noko on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:24:04
The one thing I really disliked about the DeathAdder (apart from how the buttons started to squeak horribly after a couple of months) was how the tops of the buttons were scooped.  Why would you want your finger to have to travel more distance on every click?  I'd say they've got a good DA killer.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:23:08
ctually they had SteelSeries Ikari before that's right handed.  But I think they stopped making those, so luckily there's the replacement now.

Actually you can still buy the Ikari on Ebay which I will do, just to find out whether it's suitable for my paws.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:30:05
The one thing I really disliked about the DeathAdder (apart from how the buttons started to squeak horribly after a couple of months) was how the tops of the buttons were scooped.

Same here, I made the unfortunate purchase of the current DA2013 and that creature squeaked horribly when used.  It's now at the bottom of my desk draw along with 2 other failed Razer purchases over the years.  How amazing that one single company failed to notice or instill any quality standards while it remains in business because you figured that over time, they would/could refine and progress along to finally manufacture any products without faults - but they haven't even bothered to lift their standards.

I actually couldn't care less now whether they release an all optical sensor that operates at 200,000dpi because I know they'll shelve it into a cheap, nasty housing that just fails on all counts.  As you can see I no longer buy Razer products at all but I'm glad there are other companies that make better mice that work perfectly, and they deserve our support.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 25 October 2013, 02:05:19
I've been really happy with my old Cyborg RAT 3. It has a 3200DPI laser sensor, but it's better than most lasers (no acceleration that I've noticed). Now I discover they put a 3500DPI optical sensor in the newer version  :D

Will be picking one up soon and my old RAT will be used for work  :)

I don't need more than about 2500DPI max and it's the most comfy mouse I've ever tried. It's light, too. My Logitech G9 is sitting in a drawer.

In case anyone is interested, you can adjust the palm rest on the 3, just have to undo a screw, move the rest to a comfy spot and pop the screw back in.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Mon, 28 October 2013, 18:33:34
I'm really tempted to get this.

Although I've had very mixed experiences with the sensei and the steelseries engine (software) in particular.
My main criticisms of the sensei are that:
1) It felt cheap with the "frying pan" coating/finish
2) The Steelseries engine was a pain in the butt to install. The application was not easy to install (how something can be hard to install on a Windows machine is beyond me) and it caused my mouse to soft brick when I accessed the software.  It took me alot of effort uninstall and reinstall the software properly. I also expect a plethora of problems and incompatibility issues for windows 8.1 users.
3) The engine software itself is slow. Dragging/importing profiles is not intuitive at all.
4) The sensor for this mouse was "flawed" as people put it.  That didn't bother me back then as much as it does now though.

That being said.
Finally a longer mouse  :)
I can't wait to see how this mouse fares.
Hoping to see a slightly less cheap outside finish with a precise sensor, quality internals and switches.

Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 28 October 2013, 19:20:15
I'm really tempted to get this.
Finally a longer mouse  :)
I can't wait to see how this mouse fares.
Hoping to see a slightly less cheap outside finish with a precise sensor, quality internals and switches.

All SteelSeries has to do is go to the same place as ROCCAT and apply their surface finish on their current mouse range.  I have the XTD and Pure Optical and they are both superb quality finishes.  Smooth yet retains no sweat or marks from your fingers even after hours of use.  Has almost a felt-like quality to the casings that make the current range of ROCCAT's quite sublime to hold.

If SteelSeries could accomplish that feat then I suspect they will sell lots of these mice quite easily.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Forsythe on Tue, 29 October 2013, 04:08:10
I'm really tempted to get this.
Finally a longer mouse  :)
I can't wait to see how this mouse fares.
Hoping to see a slightly less cheap outside finish with a precise sensor, quality internals and switches.

All SteelSeries has to do is go to the same place as ROCCAT and apply their surface finish on their current mouse range.  I have the XTD and Pure Optical and they are both superb quality finishes.  Smooth yet retains no sweat or marks from your fingers even after hours of use.  Has almost a felt-like quality to the casings that make the current range of ROCCAT's quite sublime to hold.

If SteelSeries could accomplish that feat then I suspect they will sell lots of these mice quite easily.

I'm really tempted to get this.
Finally a longer mouse  :)
I can't wait to see how this mouse fares.
Hoping to see a slightly less cheap outside finish with a precise sensor, quality internals and switches.

All SteelSeries has to do is go to the same place as ROCCAT and apply their surface finish on their current mouse range.  I have the XTD and Pure Optical and they are both superb quality finishes.  Smooth yet retains no sweat or marks from your fingers even after hours of use.  Has almost a felt-like quality to the casings that make the current range of ROCCAT's quite sublime to hold.

If SteelSeries could accomplish that feat then I suspect they will sell lots of these mice quite easily.

How was the pure in term of sensor though? And it's small right?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 29 October 2013, 05:11:25
How was the pure in term of sensor though? And it's small right?

If you're asking as a hard core gaming fanatic then I'll have to disappoint you there because I'm no real gamer.  The ROCCAT Pure Optical is smaller than an XTD which is the largest model in their range.

It has an adjustable 4000DPI PRO-OPTIC (R3) A3090 sensor with true 400, 800, 1200, 1600, 2000, 3200 or 4000dpi.

With shooters the mouse movements is precise to say the least.  In mouse heavy games the feet are very slippery on a Artizen Pad but it also is quite comfortable on a Func 1030.  The buttons are nicely tactile with the soft-touch plastic coating providing superb control in every situation.  Also the coating hides any nasty finger-oils after hours of use, in fact it's the only mouse that looks new even after you punish it severely in Narco Terror, Half Life and any version of C.O.D's.

I've got too many mice in my possession but the ROCCAT is up there with the best ones thus made, from any current factory in the world.  Well worth the money in getting this one if you despise laser sensors.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:07:39
So anybody thinking of pre ordering this mouse?
Why do you think steel-series went with an upbraided cable for this mouse?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: vun on Tue, 29 October 2013, 20:22:03
So anybody thinking of pre ordering this mouse?
Why do you think steel-series went with an upbraided cable for this mouse?

Either they've listened to the people who complain about braided cables, since many find them too stiff and annoying, or because it's cheaper.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Tue, 29 October 2013, 23:30:18
Oh right.
Some braided cables cause alot of difficulty with mouse bungees as well.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: gameaholic on Wed, 30 October 2013, 00:14:22
I was wondering.  Has anyone here custom sleeved a mouse cable before?  Maybe using para cord or some sleeve that's pretty flexible.   
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 October 2013, 04:57:51
Either they've listened to the people who complain about braided cables, since many find them too stiff and annoying, or because it's cheaper.

I've still got some older Microsoft mice that came with the standard grey rubber cable and they have lasted the longest time.  Non have split or deteriorated after many years of use.  Hence it already has a track record of outlasting any cable braided junk.

I say it's time to bring it back where it belongs, so that your mouse would collapse first before any cable would snap or crack.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:07:02
need a 3D printer for Rival :cool:

Indeed.
If steelseries was smart they'd offer free nameplates or whatever to people who pre-order.
Oh well. 
:))
Now an excuse not to pre order!
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 October 2013, 22:17:46
Indeed.
If steelseries was smart they'd offer free nameplates or whatever to people who pre-order.
Oh well. 
 :))
Now an excuse not to pre order!

They will only finally distribute them next year (2014) in the first quarter.  Who knows if they'll even stick to the current shape in the photos that they've posted around?

It's just to see if there's any interest in the up coming mouse and hope to gain any extra incentive to produce the beggar.  If there was no interest then it might get shelved and no new rodent joins their current model range (just being extremely pessimistic about this).
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: zemp on Thu, 31 October 2013, 21:59:03
So this is an ergo right handed version of my old Razer Lachesis?
5600dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G laser sensor
Adjustable Multi-Color LED(Up to 16 million colors)
Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi
60KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
Tracking up to 200 inches per second

The only difference seems to be the form factor, and the sensor (laser @ 5600dpi vs optical @ 6500 dpi)
I might have to give it a try just for the ergonomic effect even though I just replaced my razer's feet with new pads and it's as slick, smooth, and fast as ever

Show Image
(http://www.spreadrazer.com/edm/lachesisrefresh/pr/images/lachesisPR.gif)


Except there isn't synapse

I figure they called their onboard memory "synapse", since the software is synapse 2.0

But yeah, the Lachesis Refresh is not synapse 2.0 compatible, or wasn't last I checked.

razer products break easily.
the spend more money on packaging then the product it self
ive brought a deathadder and a sensei at the same time and used them for the same amount of time
the deathadder strated to shine after 2 million clicks  and it broke after 4 million
the sensei has lasted me 8 million clicks to this day.
(i use to play sc2 competitively)
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Thu, 31 October 2013, 22:24:56
In terms of sensor precision, accuracy and performance, to you, did your deathaddler seem more precise than your sensei?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: ctbear on Sun, 03 November 2013, 01:45:26
Spec looks good but it is really ugly imo  :(
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 08 November 2013, 00:16:41
Had to put my money where my mouth is, and paid up for the Pre-order Rival.

Bought it off their International Site which is in Euros and that sucks in the extreme.  Paid close to $145.00AUD. which includes delivery via Fedex/DHL economy.

So in for the SteelSeries and as soon as it arrives here in Convict Town I'll see if it's going to be a righteous buy or an extreme tragedy (razer-like).
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Forsythe on Fri, 08 November 2013, 00:56:01
Had to put my money where my mouth is, and paid up for the Pre-order Rival.

Bought it off their International Site which is in Euros and that sucks in the extreme.  Paid close to $145.00AUD. which includes delivery via Fedex/DHL economy.

So in for the SteelSeries and as soon as it arrives here in Convict Town I'll see if it's going to be a righteous buy or an extreme tragedy (razer-like).


Ugh, DHL shipping.. please post some pictures when it arrives!  :thumb:
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 08 November 2013, 01:07:47
no thanks only 2 buttons on the side.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Fri, 08 November 2013, 03:43:28
Bless your heart brave souls!
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Sat, 09 November 2013, 02:01:26

Looks like engine 3 still needs some work :/
That thing is still slower than a snail.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Quardah on Sat, 09 November 2013, 18:10:19
I currently have an Ikari Laser (yes, it exists laser instead of optical) and it's beena pleasure using it so far. Guess i'm going to use it until it dies then i'm getting the SS Rival.

I hope i won't notice stepping down from a 150$ mouse to a 60$ one.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 09 November 2013, 18:34:20
I currently have an Ikari Laser (yes, it exists laser instead of optical) and it's beena pleasure using it so far.

I always wanted to try an Ikari optical.  Did you also notice you can still buy it here for $49.99USD;

http://shop.steelseries.com/us/mice/steelseries-ikari-optical.html

I remembered someone mentioned they stopped making them years ago, hence Ebay was the only source but it looks like SteelSeries had to keep on making it.

Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Quardah on Sat, 09 November 2013, 22:10:32
I currently have an Ikari Laser (yes, it exists laser instead of optical) and it's beena pleasure using it so far.

I always wanted to try an Ikari optical.  Did you also notice you can still buy it here for $49.99USD;

http://shop.steelseries.com/us/mice/steelseries-ikari-optical.html

I remembered someone mentioned they stopped making them years ago, hence Ebay was the only source but it looks like SteelSeries had to keep on making it.

It's a bold move to stop the production cause it's their most iconic mouse imo. also i hardly feel like you can get better shapewise.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Bullveyr on Sun, 10 November 2013, 04:27:04
I used the Ikari Laser for quite some time, I really liked it.
Never had much time with the Optical because I got it 1 day before the Xai, which was more interesting at that time.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 21 November 2013, 06:03:19
Yep the RIVAL arrived yesterday delivered via FEDEX (good crew there)  :thumb: .

Basically it's a very basic mouse.  Has a nice surface finish similar to a ROCCAT XTD.  In fact it almost feels like an XTD in your hand but a little more rounded, much like a small girl's breast  ;) .  The USB cable is a basic black-rubber/plastic finish which is easy to clean compared to cloth covered cables which are the current norm amongst input devices.

Amazed at how quiet the left and right mouse switches are.  So if you like flaming/burning your enemies in the middle of the night it won't wake anyone nearby (always a plus).

The ONLY real whinge here is the scroll wheel - it just feels so cheap and nasty  >:( .  Something SteelSeries didn't worry about correcting.  But like all manufacturers of mice they always fail in one aspect of their product.  But their install of side dimpled rubber housing is perfect for lifting your mouse up and placing it somewhere else on your pad is effortless.  Plus it's so light in weight that it almost floats in the air (joking there).

Also it looks like the feet on this rodent is unique hence you will need to wait for Corepad or PureTraK to produce some for any future replacements when required.

Overall a very nice surprise from SteelSeries.  PLEASE note this was my FIRST purchase of any mouse from this company, hence I didn't have any high or low expectations relating to this.  I had to pay an exorbitant price in shipping, that was what may hurt some people who are concerned about the total overall cost.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 21 November 2013, 19:31:22
How is that little part that extrudes out on the right? Any issues with fatigue or discomfort at all? Because the Sensei caused a lot of fatigue for me (though I understand they are completely different shapes; which is why I'm asking).
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 21 November 2013, 21:14:15
How is that little part that extrudes out on the right? Any issues with fatigue or discomfort at all? Because the Sensei caused a lot of fatigue for me (though I understand they are completely different shapes; which is why I'm asking).

The little part being where the pinky resides or the bottom right section of the palm?

The pinky and ring finger are off the top surface of the mouse and rest comfortably next to it (that's how I hold this mouse).  Hence my pinky will touch/rest upon the mouse pad easily yet due to the rubber sides I can easily lift the body of the mouse simply, with no fuss.  Again it's too similar to the ROCCAT XTD shape on top of the RIVAL yet the side (right-hand) structure is a direct rip-off from DA2013 or MIE 3.0.

The RIVAL is generally for palming hence you will be extremely comfortable but if you're a finger-tip (G9x) user then you need to look elsewhere.

Like I said if you've got experience palming your girlfriend late at night, down at your local cinema then this mouse will be perfect for you  :thumb: .
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 22 November 2013, 01:05:25
Quote
The RIVAL is generally for palming hence you will be extremely comfortable but if you're a finger-tip (G9x) user then you need to look elsewhere.

I see. If that's the case, then yea, I'll probably have to skip the Rival.

Then again, a lot of people say the Deathadder is a palm grip mouse, but I find it perfect for clawing, so... that could be the case with the Rival as well. I might consider it, even as a claw gamer.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Fri, 22 November 2013, 03:15:23
How to grip the death adder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqtB-tJHeRg)
You might be on to something in terms of grip.

So I heard the rival's button end up touching slightly towards the middle if you depress both of them at the same time. Is that true?
I was kinda keen on getting the Rival but I think I'll take the new zowie ec evo cl over the rival.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 22 November 2013, 06:10:32
So I heard the rival's button end up touching slightly towards the middle if you depress both of them at the same time. Is that true?

I have pressed and depressed both top buttons at the same time (which I think you're referring to) and they do not touch/scrape anything at all.  Even when I press the outer edges of the button(s) with my finger(s) it still will not interfere with any part of the housing or casing.

I was kinda keen on getting the Rival but I think I'll take the new zowie ec evo cl over the rival.

I will be getting the Zowie EC1 eVo CL as well  :thumb: .
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Sat, 23 November 2013, 23:58:03

I have pressed and depressed both top buttons at the same time (which I think you're referring to) and they do not touch/scrape anything at all.  Even when I press the outer edges of the button(s) with my finger(s) it still will not interfere with any part of the housing or casing.


Right that's what I was referring to. Sorry for the ambiguity was typing on the phone.
I'm guessing the guy who had this problem (http://i.imgur.com/brdIXKj.png) probably just got a bad mouse.

Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: pr1me on Sat, 30 November 2013, 13:21:27
this rival looks nice, the name plate kind of ruin it tho  :(
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 30 November 2013, 17:51:43
That thing actually looks kinda nice

too bad i love my deathadder too much  :cool:
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 30 November 2013, 19:11:05
this rival looks nice, the name plate kind of ruin it tho  :(

The name plate on the mouse that you buy comes with the word "RIVAL" hence why the sad face?

There is only a spare black plastic fixture to burn a name into, but why bother?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 30 November 2013, 19:12:12
That thing actually looks kinda nice

too bad i love my deathadder too much  8)

I dropped my DA2013 into the bottom desk draw where it belongs  :thumb: .
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 05 December 2013, 12:38:58
So this is an ergo right handed version of my old Razer Lachesis?
5600dpi Razer Precision™ 3.5G laser sensor
Adjustable Multi-Color LED(Up to 16 million colors)
Variable true dpi setting adjustments in increments of 125dpi
60KB Razer Synapse™ onboard memory
Nine independently programmable Hyperesponse™ buttons
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
Tracking up to 200 inches per second

The only difference seems to be the form factor, and the sensor (laser @ 5600dpi vs optical @ 6500 dpi)
I might have to give it a try just for the ergonomic effect even though I just replaced my razer's feet with new pads and it's as slick, smooth, and fast as ever

Show Image
(http://www.spreadrazer.com/edm/lachesisrefresh/pr/images/lachesisPR.gif)


I love my Lachesis, such a comfortable mouse to use.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: daerid on Sat, 28 December 2013, 14:07:20
Got this for Xmas. It's damn near perfect.

My one gripe with it is that the finish picks up hand oils way too much. Makes the mouse look greasy (even though it feels great), and it can't be wiped off. Can definitely tell it's a superior optical sensor, rather than a laser. IMO right up there on par with the DA.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 December 2013, 16:10:06
My one gripe with it is that the finish picks up hand oils way too much. Makes the mouse look greasy (even though it feels great), and it can't be wiped off.

I always use an aerosol can here in Convict Town called "Mr.Sheen" that removes all contaminants from any surface, plastic, stone, metal, etc. ......

Use it exclusively on my rodents that makes them look like new again  :thumb: .
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 28 December 2013, 16:17:18
The more i look at this the more i want it..
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: reziak on Sat, 28 December 2013, 19:31:24
Rarely am I tempted by a new mouse, but I might have to try this one out. I'm really, really happy with my Zowie FK, but the features on this mouse seem great  :eek:
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: daerid on Sat, 28 December 2013, 19:43:51
I must say I like the rubberized side grips much more than Razer's
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 December 2013, 22:42:58
I must say I like the rubberized side grips much more than Razer's

Yeah, very easy pickup even if you sweat like a pig (......I know, pigs don't sweat).

Plus it's extremely light it almost floats across the mouse pad so easily.  Even the weakest individual would love this device  :thumb: .
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Sun, 29 December 2013, 16:20:20
Did you get a 3D nameplate yet?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 December 2013, 16:30:46
Did you get a 3D nameplate yet?

With the box package all I got was a black, blank - plastic nameplate, that was all.  Although I have no idea why they supplied it, maybe when you throw the mouse against the wall perhaps that same plate 'might' drop out of the rear of the device........who knows?

Couldn't care less for it, besides why would they supply another name plate when it already has "RIVAL" etched into the existing plate?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Sun, 29 December 2013, 16:33:55
I wish they stuck to the Japanese naming system  :p
Rival ... what a break from tradition.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: daerid on Mon, 30 December 2013, 10:58:10
Did you get a 3D nameplate yet?

With the box package all I got was a black, blank - plastic nameplate, that was all.  Although I have no idea why they supplied it, maybe when you throw the mouse against the wall perhaps that same plate 'might' drop out of the rear of the device........who knows?

Couldn't care less for it, besides why would they supply another name plate when it already has "RIVAL" etched into the existing plate?

Interesting. All I got was one that says "Rival" and one that says "Steelseries"
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Tue, 31 December 2013, 01:42:27
Huh I think it's supposed to come with a blank one so you can use a 3d printer on it.
You should contact them and see if you can get a free custom nameplate :D
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: daerid on Mon, 06 January 2014, 13:14:09
*shrug*

Doesn't bother me. I'm more concerned with how the mouse performs and how it fits my hands than how it looks :)
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Rendom on Tue, 07 January 2014, 21:12:47
I received this last week. Honestly, it won me over, especially over my older 2013 Deathadder. I love the size of it, and it gives you a lot of customization to the mouse too, but I wish it had the function to save the profile and settings I put into it, like the Sensei's. The nameplate doesn't really do much for me.. I don't even look at it that much, but the size is absolutely perfect. From youtube reviews, I actually thought that it'd be long and ugly, but as soon as I got it.. wow, this will be my permanent mouse for awhile.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: geekhead on Mon, 20 January 2014, 03:49:04
coming from MX518 which goes so well on my hand is Rival the best choice now?
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: daerid on Mon, 20 January 2014, 11:02:20
"Best" is purely subjective. What I will say as a G400 owner as well is that the Rival will feel quite comfortable and natural if you're used to the MX518/G400 body style.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: geekhead on Tue, 21 January 2014, 04:29:51
yea it's subjective

im thinking kana V2 or Rival now, just going thru review can't make up my mind which
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: PolaBurrr on Tue, 21 January 2014, 23:17:00
yea it's subjective

im thinking kana V2 or Rival now, just going thru review can't make up my mind which

kana...kana...kana..  :thumb:
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: dmbr on Sun, 09 February 2014, 01:55:30
After having tried countless mice, I'm finally switching to the Rival from the G9x.

The grip fits me perfectly, something I hadn't quite found in any other mouse coming from my G9x's uniquely square shape. The rubber sides are pleasant, too.

The sensor is noticeably more accurate than the G9x's; I already have found myself landing more headshots.

The scroll wheel is my only big gripe. There's no definite "click" to each rotation, the button also presses without a click, and I found it periodically failing to register rotations fresh out the box. The unbraided cord is also unfortunate, as the rubber coating drags on my mousepad.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 09 February 2014, 06:05:13
After having tried countless mice, I'm finally switching to the Rival from the G9x.

The scroll wheel is my only big gripe. There's no definite "click" to each rotation, the button also presses without a click, and I found it periodically failing to register rotations fresh out the box. The unbraided cord is also unfortunate, as the rubber coating drags on my mousepad.

That's unusual because the Rival has a feel of click when used.  Don't forget that the G9x has free-scroll which absolutely has no clicky feel when used but you can have the click back when you select it via the underneath click button feature.  That is the only real decent attribute of the G9x.

The Rival still has the traditional scroll wheel at least with mine.  I actually wish it had the "free-scroll" feature like the G9x which I miss quite a lot on long web pages.  The cable is like the old style mice with a plastic/rubber sleeve-like cable, which doesn't bother me due to having a Roccat Apuri near by.

I don't know about the Rival just yet, still looking for the ULTIMATE input device.......
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: dmbr on Sun, 09 February 2014, 07:55:11
The G9x mouse wheel also had sidescroll, which I do miss. I never used free scroll, really. Too inconvenient to toggle on/off, and not desirable for gaming. The real issue with my Rival's wheel is simply that it doesn't register every scroll :/

The buttons on the Rival are also perfect, mouse wheel aside. Clicky side buttons like the Deathadder's, but they require a little more pressure to activate--the DA's are too sensitive, IMO. Same with mouse 1 and 2.


As for the Apuri, that thing is so darn light I'd find myself accidentally lifting it off the pad. Rival has just enough heft :)
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Sun, 09 February 2014, 15:21:51
Hmmm since I seem to have so many QC issues with the zowie cl's. I'm considering grabbing this at fry's or amazon for 39 bucks.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: geekhead on Tue, 11 February 2014, 18:47:16
using it for 2 weeks+ and i like it well the shape fits me well that's why i like it

side button placement is good although i prefer a more chunkier/more rounder shape

the surface become ugly as i sweat much but a quick wipe removes it

what else, i turn off all the lights as it's kinda bright and im not so into these thing

so far so good not a single problem at all

 
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Wed, 12 February 2014, 03:18:04
I'm going to get this today!
yay!
I can't wait to complain about how SS engine is terrible.
This mouse feels cheap.
 :thumb:
Probably some other things!
Well we'll see 12-13 hours from now.

hehehe.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 12 February 2014, 04:03:21
I'm going to get this today!
yay!
I can't wait to complain about how SS engine is terrible.
This mouse feels cheap.
 :thumb:
Probably some other things!
Well we'll see 12-13 hours from now.

hehehe.

The mouse has that Razer-like quality finish to it, but I suspect they're all now making these mice at the same factory in China  :( . 

Like to hear your thoughts on this as it's now impossible to find a SteelSeries Mouse built up to a decent standard.  Then again I'm a card carrying Mionix Naos 7000 supporter  :thumb:
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Novus on Wed, 12 February 2014, 20:14:10
I'm going to get this today!
yay!
I can't wait to complain about how SS engine is terrible.
This mouse feels cheap.
 :thumb:
Probably some other things!
Well we'll see 12-13 hours from now.

hehehe.

The mouse has that Razer-like quality finish to it, but I suspect they're all now making these mice at the same factory in China  :( . 

Like to hear your thoughts on this as it's now impossible to find a SteelSeries Mouse built up to a decent standard.  Then again I'm a card carrying Mionix Naos 7000 supporter  :thumb:

Just unboxed the rival. Some initial impressions:
It does have this razer-like quality finish which feels a bit cheap. However, if this can withstand oils from the skin and hopefully not stain the surface of this mouse, then I won’t complain.
This feels significantly better than the sensei’s frying pan texture.
The scroll wheel needs some work. It creaks and is very annoying.
The side buttons … will take some getting used to, they actuate differently compared to the left and right click.
The cord is okay, I prefer Zowie’s soft cord but whatever, its minor nitpickings as long as it works with my bungee.
As for the shape of this mouse, I actually like this quite a bit. Surprisingly, it contours well with my hand. I can palm, claw and even fingertip this mouse (with a wrist rest).

I’m currently playing around with this mouse on the typical 6/11 windows settings without any drivers, using the factory settings of the rival.
Seems okay so far, I think there’s a bit of smoothing but every mouse unfortunately seems to have this.
I think I’ll install Engine 3 now and whine about it later.

So a bit of a mixed reaction for me, but the shape is definitely a win for me and let's face it shape is 9/10s of the review (well actually the sensor is).
At just under 40 bucks, I think it's worth it.

Edit:
If Steelseries engine ****s up my computer again, I'm going to completely smash this mouse.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 12 February 2014, 20:33:38
Edit:
If Steelseries engine ****s up my computer again, I'm going to completely smash this mouse.

Get in there boots and all.  Never hold back your anger when you've been ripped off in some disgusting way by these Razer-wannabes.  Shame they (manufacturers) started to form a group of maladjusted input devices, designed to irritate more than anything.

Sometimes I am tempted to place some of them on my driveway, pour some petrol over them and light them up into a black stench of death - never to harm anyone ever again.
Title: Re: SteelSeries Introduces Rival Optical Gaming Mouse
Post by: Quardah on Wed, 12 February 2014, 21:28:13
Edit:
If Steelseries engine ****s up my computer again, I'm going to completely smash this mouse.

Get in there boots and all.  Never hold back your anger when you've been ripped off in some disgusting way by these Razer-wannabes.  Shame they (manufacturers) started to form a group of maladjusted input devices, designed to irritate more than anything.

Sometimes I am tempted to place some of them on my driveway, pour some petrol over them and light them up into a black stench of death - never to harm anyone ever again.

I believe they went "a cheaper way" with the Rival since now they have a huge name in the gaming niche community, and are doing the same as what Razer did;

Build the name with very good product,
Become big,
Make sure to build a good fan-base,
Go with cheaper ways to lower the prices, increase the sale volume,
The fan-base will always be sellouts to the name they have been using for long.

If you really want to see some good Steelseries mice, you gotta go with older stuff, an Ikari for example, optical or laser. Even for the Sensei, i believe it feels super cheap. "Frying pan" in a nice way to describe its kindoff horrible feel.

Just like if you want some nice Razer stuff, go with the older models that are discontinued but might be on after-hand market (maybe you can find some factory new stuff!). I remember my old DeathAdder, it was flawless, incredibly good. When i tried the new edition, it really didn't feel the same as my old mouse. For some reason i felt it was a cheaped out mouse with the same shape. Couldn't get that "authentic" feel.

My friend bought an Ikari Laser off eBay, paid a third of the old MSRP, and is super happy with it. While i know it's a 150$ grade mouse and here we are talking about a 40-60$ one, i still think it's super sad that it has come to this.

While all of the above are definitly only some suppositions and hypothesis, i believe we can all agree that the more we are advancing, the cheaper everything gets manufactured, with cheaper stuff and cheaper cheap-labor. Especially with computer hardware, how low can it goes? isn't a 5$ keyboard cheap enough? Since most people don't repair their items anymore, people simply rebuy cheap stuff, sooner than ever before, and always go with the cheapest of their favorite sellout brands.

Razer understood it first, how puny of a joke the BWU is for a mechanical keyboard...
Same is going for SteelSeries... since when would a dumb "3D printable" nametag is a selling point...

It's bad, but luckily there's still some reals out there making stuff worth paying big bucks for.