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Title: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:41:25
Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:43:18
Will never happen 'they' would say it was racist.....
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:44:24
I think Obama's a racist.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: boost on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:44:30
O_O
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:46:40
First: impeach every member of Congress. Replace them with people who actually have, you know, intelligence...

Then: if things don't improve, impeach Obama. Replace him with someone who actually has, you know, intelligence...
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:48:02
If Obama wasn't here, there wouldn't even be the Obamacare problem which divided and polarized America and caused the people to vote for a divided Congress.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:49:30
Where is Tarzan?...I know he has something to add to the discussion.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iAmAhab on Thu, 24 October 2013, 09:04:01
Could you elaborate on why you think he should be impeached. I'm not up to speed on American politics.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 09:06:20
Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

On what basis? Is it the fact that he's fired more cruise missiles than all other nobel laureates combined? All the stuff that Democrats and "progressives" wailed about while Bush was in office, Obama does, and they don't even react.

Oops, I just criticized the first black president -- it should be (checks watch) about five more posts before I'm labeled a racist.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 09:10:42
If Obama wasn't here, there wouldn't even be the Obamacare problem which divided and polarized America and caused the people to vote for a divided Congress.

Oh boy, politics is "broken"? No, no it's not. What Obama wants is to spend America into an existential crisis from which a new, socialist state can emerge from the ashes. Except it won't. We'll all just have ashes. How do you reach a "compromise" on whether or not to pull the trigger on national economic suicide? You don't -- you obstruct the guy who wants to destroy us, period. So I'm all for gridlock. Bring on gridlock. If my choice is flying over a fiscal cliff, or crashing into the guardrail, I'll take the guardrail.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 09:52:53
Wow, you Americans are ****ing mental.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 10:09:45
Wow, you people are ****ing mental.


FTFY. Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 10:52:24
Wow, you BANKING CARTELS are ****ing mental.

fixed that for ya
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:22:45
Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.
Why? Did he have oral sex with an intern?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:43:07
Lol that escalated quickly.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:45:35
Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:47:51
Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.


Best president ever.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:50:25
Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.
Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"), am looking on at the situation in the US with a mixture of incredulity and abject horror.  Access to basic health care is predicated not on need, but on ability to pay - this is an utterly inhumane system, and it boggles the mind that anyone not currently profiting from that system is stupid enough to try and defend it - it's utterly indefensible.  The reason that Obamacare is in a mess is not because it's unworkable (it's not, look at health care systems across, again, the civilised world), but because of vested interests trying to make it so.  This largely comes down to the GOP "fighting the good fight" to keep the healthcare cartels in business.  Not fighting "for your freedom", or even in the interests of fiscal policy, but fighting on a purely ideological basis that anything Obama says or does is wrong.  Hell, the original ACA bill, before it got cut to ****ing ribbons by amendment after interest-loaded amendment, was a carbon copy of what the Republicans had themselves been calling for in 1993.  And now the ****wits are holding the entire country to ransom.  But this is somehow Obama's fault.

So yes, you Americans are mental.  Those, like our trollworthy friend Mr Windows and Krogenar* who seem to consider Obamacare an abomination because - well, because that's a completely mental stance to take, and those who are on the other side because you haven't taken your plentiful supply of weapons and started forcefully ejecting the scum that are making your country a worse place for everyone.

It's worth considering that the gap between the rich and the poor in the US is arguably wider now than it was in pre-revolutionary France, and the situation is only getting worse.  1789 didn't work out too well for the rich, and their poor only had pitchforks.

* Who does at least appear to believe what he's saying - whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:52:35
Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.
Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"), am looking on at the situation in the US with a mixture of incredulity and abject horror.  Access to basic health care is predicated not on need, but on ability to pay - this is an utterly inhumane system, and it boggles the mind that anyone not currently profiting from that system is stupid enough to try and defend it - it's utterly indefensible.  The reason that Obamacare is in a mess is not because it's unworkable (it's not, look at health care systems across, again, the civilised world), but because of vested interests trying to make it so.  This largely comes down to the GOP "fighting the good fight" to keep the healthcare cartels in business.  Not fighting "for your freedom", or even in the interests of fiscal policy, but fighting on a purely ideological basis that anything Obama says or does is wrong.  Hell, the original ACA bill, before it got cut to ****ing ribbons by amendment after interest-loaded amendment, was a carbon copy of what the Republicans had themselves been calling for in 1993.  And now the ****wits are holding the entire country to ransom.  But this is somehow Obama's fault.

So yes, you Americans are mental.  Those, like our trollworthy friend Mr Windows and Krogenar* who seem to consider Obamacare an abomination because - well, because that's a completely mental stance to take, and those who are on the other side because you haven't taken your plentiful supply of weapons and started forcefully ejecting the scum that are making your country a worse place for everyone.

It's worth considering that the gap between the rich and the poor in the US is arguably wider now than it was in pre-revolutionary France, and the situation is only getting worse.  1789 didn't work out too well for the rich, and their poor only had pitchforks.

* Who does at least appear to believe what he's saying - whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.


Judging from your rant, I would have to say you're a bit mental.


Also, cool story. Bro.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:54:07
Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.
Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"), am looking on at the situation in the US with a mixture of incredulity and abject horror.  Access to basic health care is predicated not on need, but on ability to pay - this is an utterly inhumane system, and it boggles the mind that anyone not currently profiting from that system is stupid enough to try and defend it - it's utterly indefensible.  The reason that Obamacare is in a mess is not because it's unworkable (it's not, look at health care systems across, again, the civilised world), but because of vested interests trying to make it so.  This largely comes down to the GOP "fighting the good fight" to keep the healthcare cartels in business.  Not fighting "for your freedom", or even in the interests of fiscal policy, but fighting on a purely ideological basis that anything Obama says or does is wrong.  Hell, the original ACA bill, before it got cut to ****ing ribbons by amendment after interest-loaded amendment, was a carbon copy of what the Republicans had themselves been calling for in 1993.  And now the ****wits are holding the entire country to ransom.  But this is somehow Obama's fault.

So yes, you Americans are mental.  Those, like our trollworthy friend Mr Windows and Krogenar* who seem to consider Obamacare an abomination because - well, because that's a completely mental stance to take, and those who are on the other side because you haven't taken your plentiful supply of weapons and started forcefully ejecting the scum that are making your country a worse place for everyone.

It's worth considering that the gap between the rich and the poor in the US is arguably wider now than it was in pre-revolutionary France, and the situation is only getting worse.  1789 didn't work out too well for the rich, and their poor only had pitchforks.

* Who does at least appear to believe what he's saying - whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.

Quite frankly, you don't live in the United States. So how do you think you know more about political affairs that go on here than us Americans do?

Maybe you should read about how Obamacare was passed. Or about the numerous glitches and wasteful spending in it. Or, even better, how about your country's government's wonderful fiscal situation?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 24 October 2013, 11:59:31
Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

^+1
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:07:35
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:08:58
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:10:20
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:15:02
Anarchy.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:15:32
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

I think this will only happen when:

1. We run out of oil
2. We run out of food
3. We run out of water

Otherwise I think Americans are too lazy to do anything like revolt for real. We got football (the real kind) to watch.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:17:02
Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.
Why? Did he have oral sex with an intern?
you mean the only jewish girl who doesn't know how to get a stain out of a dress?

Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.
I have a dream...
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:20:35
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

Have you seen what these pigs do to people? Good luck revolting.

We could start with getting rid of this 2 party system. Holding politicians accountable for their actions. Having them be truly transparent with who is giving them money and why they are voting the way they are

And on a local level, holding cops and their unions accountable for their brutality and itchy trigger fingers.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:25:20
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

Have you seen what these pigs do to people? Good luck revolting.

We could start with getting rid of this 2 party system. Holding politicians accountable for their actions. Having them be truly transparent with who is giving them money and why they are voting the way they are

And on a local level, holding cops and their unions accountable for their brutality and itchy trigger fingers.

As I said in another thread:

We need to stop electing people based on what party they are in.

If the government was smart, they would abolish this bi-partisan system and just say that all politicians are part of the "Jackass" party. No more of this "oh, it's the democrats fault" or "it's the republicans fault". IT'S ALL OF YOUR DAMN FAULTS AND YOU'RE ALL MEMBERS OF THE JACKASS PARTY!!!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:39:45
Quite frankly, you don't live in the United States. So how do you think you know more about political affairs that go on here than us Americans do?
I'd wager I've forgotten more about politics in general, and probably US politics in particular, than you'll ever know.  As for how I keep up to date with what's going on from my little hidey-hole here in communist frenchystan, I've discovered this miracle of modern technology called "the internet".  You could try it, but you might not like it - initially it looks a bit like Fox News, but once you scratch the surface it's full of all sorts of nasty things like dissenting opinions and, lord forbid, facts.
Maybe you should read about how Obamacare was passed.
I know all about how Obamacare was passed.  And how it was hobbled prior to being passed, and how the Republicans are trying to kill what started off as, and still contains at its heart, the most decent piece of law the US has seen in the last 20 years.  Yes, there are glitches in it, many of which are due to GOP filibustering and obstruction, but what piece of law /doesn't/ have glitches?  What government program /doesn't/ have wasteful spending?
Or, even better, how about your country's government's wonderful fiscal situation?
I don't actually consider myself as having a country. I do have a passport, but it doesn't come from where you think it does.  As for France's fiscal situation - currently better than the US's for the majority of indicators.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: swill on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:44:36
Obama's last act will be legalizing marijuana, while chiefing a blunt.

One can only hope. Unfortunately it would be bad for business because then they can't fill their privatized prisons.

There is no reason to empeach Obama.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:53:39
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

Please name a country that is NOT a republic (run by Big Business), Dictators or Royalty (big business from years ago)?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: JPG on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:58:12
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

Please name a country that is NOT a republic (run by Big Business), Dictators or Royalty (big business from years ago)?

Probably somewhere in Afrika where it's run by terrorist or the likes. Yea, not for the better really.

I think that one of the problem is money itself. It makes stealing so much easier. Much harder to steal 200 cars or many fields of crop.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:58:13
What's your point? Because almost all are we should sit back? I know it's not a US problem but this thread is specific to the US so I'm putting in my two cents.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:59:22
Quite frankly, you don't live in the United States. So how do you think you know more about political affairs that go on here than us Americans do?
I'd wager I've forgotten more about politics in general, and probably US politics in particular, than you'll ever know.  As for how I keep up to date with what's going on from my little hidey-hole here in communist frenchystan, I've discovered this miracle of modern technology called "the internet".  You could try it, but you might not like it - initially it looks a bit like Fox News, but once you scratch the surface it's full of all sorts of nasty things like dissenting opinions and, lord forbid, facts.
Maybe you should read about how Obamacare was passed.
I know all about how Obamacare was passed.  And how it was hobbled prior to being passed, and how the Republicans are trying to kill what started off as, and still contains at its heart, the most decent piece of law the US has seen in the last 20 years.  Yes, there are glitches in it, many of which are due to GOP filibustering and obstruction, but what piece of law /doesn't/ have glitches?  What government program /doesn't/ have wasteful spending?
Or, even better, how about your country's government's wonderful fiscal situation?
I don't actually consider myself as having a country. I do have a passport, but it doesn't come from where you think it does.  As for France's fiscal situation - currently better than the US's for the majority of indicators.

Don't waste too much of your time with MW, as trolls go he's definitely an antagonistic one.

Working as an auditor for the Legislature sure gives you an insider's look at how things are viewed from that side of the Ivory Tower.

I'd take the South of France any day!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 13:05:05
Sorry to inform you, but people have problems everywhere. Even in your country. Ignorance would make you think otherwise, as is obvious by your statement.
Of course they do.  I'll justify my original statement, though.

I'm going to take a deep breath and then tackle criticism of the American system levied by a French person.
(massages temples lightly)
Ok, here I go.

Quote from: tufty
I, along with much of the civilised world (which, by now, is seemingly more likely to include North Korea than the once "Land of the Free"),

Ok, so you're suggesting that North Korea is more likely of being lumped into what we call "the civilized world" than America.

That is such a breathtakingly stupid thing to say, I don't think the rest of your argument could be of any value whatsoever.

North Korea is a police state, where political prisoners are thrown in concentration camps to be worked to death. For you to include them in "the civilized world" is absolute proof of your complete and utter ignorance of reality. Think I'm joking around? Consider North Korea's Hoeryong Concentration Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoeryong_concentration_camp), where a former guard states that the inmates resemble "walking skeletons, dwarfs, and cripples in rags. Ahn estimates that about 30% of the prisoners have deformities, such as torn off ears, smashed eyes, crooked noses, and faces covered with cuts and scars resulting from beatings and other mistreatment. Around 2,000 prisoners he says have missing limbs, but even prisoners who need crutches to walk must still work."

For you, tufty, to even consider comparing America to North Korea means you don't know the facts. So why would I debate with someone so desperately, obviously ignorant? Go ahead and look down your nose at America, at least I know North Korea is a waking nightmare.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 13:11:39
That was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. To actually think somebody believes that is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 13:18:02
That was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. To actually think somebody believes that is ridiculous.
Maybe so, maybe not. I joke about a lot of stuff demik, but to joke about North Korea, and then expect to be taken seriously is just not possible. It means you're not serious about politics. And that's fine, tufty can say whatever he wants, but I can't take him seriously. A few posts back he said he had "forgotten more about U.S. politics" than some of us would ever know. Really? Did he know North Korea is one of (if not the) most repressive state on the planet? He seems to have forgotten that bit.

Was he engaging in hyperbole? Maybe, but most people don't joke about children with cancer, they just know better. Don't pontificate after making light of North Korea. That puts you squarely in douche-land.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 13:51:33
That was clearly a tongue in cheek comment. To actually think somebody believes that is ridiculous.
Maybe so, maybe not. I joke about a lot of stuff demik, but to joke about North Korea, and then expect to be taken seriously is just not possible. It means you're not serious about politics. And that's fine, tufty can say whatever he wants, but I can't take him seriously. A few posts back he said he had "forgotten more about U.S. politics" than some of us would ever know. Really? Did he know North Korea is one of (if not the) most repressive state on the planet? He seems to have forgotten that bit.

Was he engaging in hyperbole? Maybe, but most people don't joke about children with cancer, they just know better. Don't pontificate after making light of North Korea. That puts you squarely in douche-land.
Damn it Krogenar, quit making valid points.
When they treat the blood diamond slaves better than Kim Jong Un treats his own citizens, you have to seriously /boggle
(I seriously hope his NK comment was tongue-in-cheek but you can never know. Where is that Sarcasm font at?)

Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.

Please name a country that is NOT a republic (run by Big Business), Dictators or Royalty (big business from years ago)?

Probably somewhere in Afrika where it's run by terrorist or the likes. Yea, not for the better really.

I think that one of the problem is money itself. It makes stealing so much easier. Much harder to steal 200 cars or many fields of crop.

Very good, there are only 3 countries in the world which aren't either a "Republic" or a "Monarchy"
Central African Republic, Egypt & Fiji
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 24 October 2013, 13:52:24
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p


Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 13:57:40
Was he engaging in hyperbole?
Yes (but not by much).  Next question.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:04:43
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:08:11
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p




Wait.  You're independent. Hate politics but youre already making up your mind on who to vote before you even hear their policies?? I don't even.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:15:40
Was he engaging in hyperbole?
Yes (but not by much).

Please expand on your statement if you have the stones. It was hyperbole, but not by much? How so?

Quote from: tufty
Next question.

That's a good idea.

Anyway! Here's why Obama should be impeached -- not only does Obama not enforce the laws of the country (immigration laws) he has instructed his cronies to dynamically reinvent them as he goes along. The prime example of this is Obama's direction to Attorney General Eric Holder to not enforce drug laws concerning minor drug offenses. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/holder-seeks-to-avert-mandatory-minimum-sentences-for-some-low-level-drug-offenders/2013/08/11/343850c2-012c-11e3-96a8-d3b921c0924a_story.html) From that article:

Quote
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced Monday that low-level, nonviolent drug offenders with no ties to gangs or large-scale drug organizations will no longer be charged with offenses that impose severe mandatory sentences.

I don't agree with the drug laws in this country, but I do believe that the law is what the laws says it is, not what a President decides it means. The President is charged with upholding the laws of this country all the time, not just when it suits him. The correct way to handle bad laws is to repeal them, rewrite them, or make new laws -- using the legislature. But that's all very passe for Barack Obama -- the law is a suggestion, a way for him to do what he wants, when he wants to do it.

Look at all the ObamaCare exemptions Obama has handed out to his cronies, unions and supporters. Since when does the government have the right to amend a law as they see fit? It's a horrible law, but it's okay -- the political class in this country won't be affected, because Obama will give them a special dispensation.

When a president of the United States openly erodes the rule of law itself, he needs to be removed.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:19:47
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

Don't do it! I voted for Perot and ended up putting Clinton in office! Vote Republican because they've done less to flush the country down the toilet than the Democrats. Sure, they're gutless and kill puppies for fun, but at least with them in office there's a slim, slim chance the government won't get any bigger.

Quote from: demik
Wait.  You're independent. Hate politics but youre already making up your mind on who to vote before you even hear their policies?? I don't even.

Low-information voters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_information_voter) tend to describe themselves as moderates or independents.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:20:15
Impeached != removed from office

clinton was impeached

Krog are you a tea party libertard?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:30:16
Impeached != removed from office

clinton was impeached

That is true. Previous to Clinton, only Nixon was impeached, and he voluntarily resigned in disgrace as a consequence. Clinton, never having a shred of dignity or grace and caring only for retaining power at any cost, remained in office after his impeachment. The sanctity of the office of the President of the United States (and its carpeting) meant nothing to B.J. Clinton. Thanks for reminding me, demik. Those were disgusting times.

Quote from: demik
Krog are you a tea party libertard?

Do you mean a libtard? I'm a libertarian, but tend to vote Republican. I don't agree with all Republicans, but from my perspective and experience, economic liberty is the prime freedom from which all others may be derived. Republicans tend to support free and open markets; democrats typically do not. I support gay marriage, more relaxed drugs laws, etc. I don't smoke, rarely drink, and have no tattoos -- but if that's your bag, go on and do it. As for drugs, go ahead and broil your brain in a stew of toxins -- just don't expect me to pay for your rehabilitation. Socially, I'm very "liberal" (classic definition of the word) but I'm conservative about fiscal policy. The Tea Party, by and large, support fiscal sanity, and I support that goal.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: mauri on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:30:51
donno bout obama but I sure do like them peaches tasty lil suckers
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:31:38
Alright. So you support the tea party.  Noted.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:43:35
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

Don't do it!

Too late.  Maybe it's because I'm young and naive, but I can't bring myself to vote for either of the big parties.  I choose to vote for the person I prefer rather than the lesser of two evils.  Maybe that will change with time.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:49:21
Alright. So you support the tea party.  Noted.

How would you classify yourself, demik? LIV?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:49:31
if you have the stones
Sure.

North Korea is a pretty horrible place.  I'd probably go so far as to say it's one of the most horrible places in the world.  I mean, it's really ****ing appalling, like most, if not all, military dictatorships.  Hell, it might even be worse than Belgium.

Although it's not quite on the same scale, the US, however, isn't really one to start waving it's hands in the air over human rights, is it? 

Death penalty?  Check. 
Death penalty for crimes committed as a minor?  Check, I believe, although the last execution was in 2003.
Death penalty for the mentally retarded?  Only outlawed in 2002.
Torture?  Check. 
Kidnapping and imprisonment without due process of US and foreign nationals, both within and outside of US territory? Check.
Life imprisonment without possibility of parole for minors?  Check
Spying on US and foreign citizens without due process?  Check. 
Highest number of prisoners WRT population on the planet?  Check.
And so on.

It's worth noting that the US is the only developed country, and the only country with a functional government, not to have ratified the UNCRC.

After all, the US is one of the 2 remaining superpowers, a developed and supposedly enlightened country based on the principles of humanism and freedom.  North Korea is an underdeveloped pariah state in a constant state of war, ruled by a military dictatorship without the slightest redeeming feature.

What I was really getting at, though, is that the US was the place where dissidents from behind the iron curtain dreamt of going, where they went if they had the chance.  As such, it's rather ironic that a major US dissident is currently holed up in Moscow (Russia, of course, is hardly a shining example of good governance either)

Oddly enough, NK has a free public health care system, although like most things in that particular hellhole, it's crumbled to a state of almost total dysfunction and bribery is pretty much required to get even the most basic care.  That's not a failure of public health care, though, it's a failure of a government that has no ****ing idea.

As for suggesting not enforcing imprisonment for minor drug offences, that's good fiscal policy.  The US has enough prisoners being anally raped, already, and prosecuting people for weed possession costs a ****load.

I'm a communist, by the way.  An actual, card-holding, dyed in the wool communist.  Lock up your children.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:50:58
This thread is stupid.... no one has come up with any legitimate reason for impeachment...

And no one is even talking about Obama....

You're just angrily circle jerking each other for no reason....  (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-043.gif)
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:54:55
Oddly enough, NK has a free public health care system,

... right, so we can overlook the death camps. I mean, sure they have concentration camps where people are worked to death, beaten, raped, subjected to medical experiments, etc. -- but free healthcare!

Maybe the trains run on time, too?

Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 14:59:05
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:03:49
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.

^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:05:23
Oddly enough, NK has a free public health care system,

... right, so we can overlook the death camps. I mean, sure they have concentration camps where people are worked to death, beaten, raped, subjected to medical experiments, etc. -- but free healthcare!

Maybe the trains run on time, too?

Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.

It's really not that different..  The funnel up system of politics is the same wherever you go..
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:05:50


^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif) (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)


I would rather whine about your lame animated gif's on every one of your posts. But that would prove fruitless, just like most everyone's posts here. It's not going to make a real difference.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:09:28


^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif) (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)


I would rather whine about your lame animated gif's on every one of your posts. But that would prove fruitless, just like most everyone's posts here. It's not going to make a real difference.

they're not lame... they express my emotions...(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_098_.gif)

That is me washing myself of the filthiness I feel having talked to you...

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/233cd70a.gif)
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:10:45
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Well seeing as this thread is specifically about obama and the United states, what did you expect him to say? Damn spaniards are crazy? You arent a 12 year old troll, you can do better than cool story bro when he specifically gives you reasons why he thinks what he thinks.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:11:42
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Well seeing as this thread is specifically about obama and the United states, what did you expect him to say? Damn spaniards are crazy? You arent a 12 year old troll, you can do better than cool story bro when he specifically gives you reasons why he thinks what he thinks.

cool story bro.. you still think people read those wallo'txts... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/048.gif)
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:13:15
Why are you guys down playing tufty's argument? Cool story bro? Seriously? It's not like he's wrong. Truth hurts. This country is ran by big business and special interest groups that only care about you if you're rich.

And lol @ MW. As if living here already makes you a wiz on American politics. Everybody is looking for a scapegoat while ignoring the real issues of companies buying politicians. You wanted opinions and he gave you his. But now you don't take it because he's not American? Be more specific about who can and cant answer your questions next time.


The point was, that every country is f**ked up in one way or another. And yeah, cool story bro. This **** happens in every country. Stop whining and do something about it, or stfu.
Well seeing as this thread is specifically about obama and the United states, what did you expect him to say? Damn spaniards are crazy? You arent a 12 year old troll, you can do better than cool story bro when he specifically gives you reasons why he thinks what he thinks.


Actually it's about Obama specifically. The bashing of Americans wasn't part of the original format.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:14:01


^^^  is it worse  to whine about a person who's whining about politics?

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif) (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/073.gif)


I would rather whine about your lame animated gif's on every one of your posts. But that would prove fruitless, just like most everyone's posts here. It's not going to make a real difference.

they're not lame... they express my emotions...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_098_.gif)


That is me washing myself of the filthiness I feel having talked to you...

Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/233cd70a.gif)



As if every one of your posts don't amount to more than dirt.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:14:51
Well obama the main representitive of America. He IS our president.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:16:10
Well obama the main representitive of America. He IS our president.


Yes, clearly one man is representative of the entire country. A well educated response, I see.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:17:36
Pot. Kettle. Hang out.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:18:59
Would things be different if Obama would have been a white guy?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Michael on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:20:22
Pot. Kettle. Hang out.


(http://i.imgur.com/cwp6IJa.gif)
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:20:58
Any thoughts or opinions? I think it's about time 0bama did get impeached.

No.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:22:26
Would things be different if Obama would have been a white guy?

he wouldn't have gotten elected.. OH SNAP... nawh... jkjkjk  I think he still would've against McCain who was 1 foot in the grave.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:26:44
Well obama the main representitive of America. He IS our president.

Obama is the main representative of the EXECUTIVE branch. That is only 1/3rd of our government.

The only reason we consider him the "leader" of our nation is because it's the only branch of government where all the power is held by a single person.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:31:06
Yes, he should be impeached. He could be replaced with a small animal (although probably not a squirrel), and we would have better leadership.

I really hope that Ted Cruz gets the Republican nomination in 2016, although that is going to be an uphill battle for him, since he has pissed of the establishment in the GOP. He is one of the only senators we have in Washington with half a brain at all. He seems to be the only one with the cojones to stand up to the special interests and cronyism that is rampant in D.C. And that is exactly what we need in our nation's leader. Someone who has the attitude of, "Damn the political consequences, I'm going to do what's right." And to think I voted for Dewhurst after the smear campaign he launched against Cruz in 2012.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:33:31
Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.
And you're still avoiding discussing any of the actual issues, instead getting hung up on what was largely speaking a joke.

I've explained my view.  How about you explain yours?  Might be worth exploring how Obamacare differs from what the Republicans were suggesting /before/ they ended up with a ni^H^Hdemocrat in power. 
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:35:50
Yes, he should be impeached. He could be replaced with a small animal (although probably not a squirrel), and we would have better leadership.

I really hope that Ted Cruz gets the Republican nomination in 2016, although that is going to be an uphill battle for him, since he has pissed of the establishment in the GOP. He is one of the only senators we have in Washington with half a brain at all. He seems to be the only one with the cojones to stand up to the special interests and cronyism that is rampant in D.C. And that is exactly what we need in our nation's leader. Someone who has the attitude of, "Damn the political consequences, I'm going to do what's right." And to think I voted for Dewhurst after the smear campaign he launched against Cruz in 2012.

^^ JD do you think Texas will ever secede?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: MTManiac on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:37:45
I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: demik on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:39:46
oh god defending Cruz? Alright it's time to leave this thread for good.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:40:47
MW starts the best (and worst) controversy threads.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:07:07
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:22:37
Would things be different if Obama would have been a white guy?

Bad ideas and policies know no race. But if Obama were white you could at least criticize his policies without the constant fear of being labeled a racist.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: keymaster on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:24:38
Wow, you Americans are ****ing mental.

Finally, a sane comment.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:32:18
If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

libertarian then??

I am independent, and i do hate politics, but by the next election, i will be able to vote, and I think the republicans will get my vote  :p

If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

Don't do it! I voted for Perot and ended up putting Clinton in office! Vote Republican because they've done less to flush the country down the toilet than the Democrats. Sure, they're gutless and kill puppies for fun, but at least with them in office there's a slim, slim chance the government won't get any bigger.


That was pretty much my thinking...Obama hasn't exactly done the best job...and i'm not sure i'd want to let the democrats be control again...

Like i said, i hate politics and don't pay attention to them too much so,  :p


Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:10:08
If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

libertarian then??

That's what I did.  Like I said, it may be naive, but I still think it was the best option.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:11:38
If you're actually independent and want to voice that opinion, vote for someone not in one of the main parties.  People need to actually vote differently to change the two-party system that we all complain about.

libertarian then??

That's what I did.  Like I said, it may be naive, but I still think it was the best option.

still have a few years to decide, so we'll see  :p
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: swill on Thu, 24 October 2013, 21:21:33
All I can say is WOW...

If you want to empeach Obama for trying to implement socialized medicine, you probably want to bomb France for their views on the topic.  Hell, most of the EU has socialized medicine.  If they break a leg, they don't end up with a 100 grand of debt to pay off.

Some people have a capitalistic carrot so far up their @55 they can't see the forest for the trees.  Social systems are often an effective solution to a problem. 

The brain washed BS level is over 9000!!!

Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 24 October 2013, 21:21:47
I think its easy to recognize the issue, but what can we do about it?

revolt!

I think this will only happen when:

1. We run out of oil
2. We run out of food
3. We run out of water

Otherwise I think Americans are too lazy to do anything like revolt for real. We got football (the real kind) to watch.

Nail on the head with the first part (though I'd add the draft being reinstated into that short list) I'd say it's not that they're too lazy, but, currently, it's easier to vent frustrations through low cost methods ("slacktivism") that do nothing yet give people a sense of accomplishment.  While technology has made it easier to organize, as we've seen through the use of tech to organize flashmobs, it also makes it much easier to engage in low risk activism that has no effect, but makes people feel like they've done something.  protesting is a high risk activity, especially with the militarized police force we see now and the increased use of military policing tactics.  We've seen a massive strike against the freedom of assembly and speech since the '60s that make the risks of political action all the greater.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Fri, 25 October 2013, 03:43:07
i like the idea of replacing obama with a small animal. most likely a raccoon, who, i am sure, will do much better as a representative of american people.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Fri, 25 October 2013, 06:07:16
Sorry, but your comparison of America to North Korea is like comparing apples to agent orange -- incandescent stupidity.
And you're still avoiding discussing any of the actual issues, instead getting hung up on what was largely speaking a joke.

I've explained my view.  How about you explain yours?  Might be worth exploring how Obamacare differs from what the Republicans were suggesting /before/ they ended up with a ni^H^Hdemocrat in power.

<tumbleweed.gif>

Figures.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 25 October 2013, 07:21:37
with a ni^H^Hdemocrat in power.

What's a ni...democrat?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:18:51
I don't actually consider myself as having a country. I do have a passport, but it doesn't come from where you think it does.
a passport? the one with a lion and a unicorn? mine has an eagle on its cover. just sayin... i like animals.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:43:12
IMPEACH OBAMA!
http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:43:43
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:46:05
(Attachment Link)

I wouldn't mind it if Obama golfed 24/7/365 -- anything to distract him from governing is fine by me.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:52:38
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:18:22
http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html
look only to the right side
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 25 October 2013, 14:19:02
If you want to empeach Obama for trying to implement socialized medicine, you probably want to bomb France for their views on the topic.

Nah, I'd rather see Obama impeached for letting 4 Americans die in an attack on an embassy in Libya, using the IRS to audit those who hold differing political opinions and any number of other high crimes and misdemeanors. But with the current limp-wristed Republican Party in charge of the House of Representin', it's never going to happen.

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If they break a leg, they don't end up with a 100 grand of debt to pay off.

Yeah, they just die because they have to wait months for routine surgeries and the like (http://www.sunjournal.com/news/columns-analysis/2012/06/27/cal-thomas-united-kingdom-health-horror-stories-sh/1215498). Or die because they're old (http://www.theinformationdaily.com/2013/07/12/horror-stories-of-neglect-shows-nothing-learnt-from-mid-staffordshire).
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 25 October 2013, 14:58:44
But with the current limp-wristed Republican Party in charge of the House of Representin', it's never going to happen.

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Word.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: saturnotaku on Fri, 25 October 2013, 15:03:28
Word.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Sat, 26 October 2013, 04:48:18
in usa, a lot of people die because they are old. just like anywhere else in the world.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:41:14
they have to wait months for routine surgeries and the like (http://www.sunjournal.com/news/columns-analysis/2012/06/27/cal-thomas-united-kingdom-health-horror-stories-sh/1215498)
That's gotta be a joke, right?

I mean, really, it's gotta be a joke.

really?

no?

The UK's NHS has been suffering from underfunding and government mismanagement (due to incompetence and / or malice) since it was first conceived.  Despite that, it manages to provide a remarkably good level of health care (with a few very unfortunate cases like the staffordshire scandal) for the entirety of the UK's population.  It is regularly used, along with the BBC, as a "whipping boy" for those who would privatise every trivial piece of infrastructure in the UK.  Basically, it's a lot of spin.  Or, if you prefer, "deliberate misstatement", otherwise known as "lies".

This is one of the problems of the internet - critical reading requires not only reading the article itself, but also the subtext it inherits from its author.

The article itself is rather badly written, and appears to be advocating something I'd only expect from "The Onion", or perhaps some of teh more moderate Tea Party members:

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The United States doesn't need the NHS as a guidebook. We have our own. It's called Medicare and Medicaid. They are going broke and cannot be sustained without more borrowed money or sharply reduced services. When human life is regarded as disposable — as with unborn babies — and cost control replaces treatment as the main objective, then anything that enables government to reduce costs is possible. It then is only a matter of conditioning the public to accept lower-quality care and rationing.

This does, however, touch on one underlying truth - healthcare is not free, it costs money.  Significant amounts of money.  There's no way of "balancing the books", it /must/ be subsidised or otherwise restricted to "those who can pay".
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 26 October 2013, 06:12:54
This does, however, touch on one underlying truth - healthcare is not free, it costs money.  Significant amounts of money.  There's no way of "balancing the books", it /must/ be subsidised or otherwise restricted to "those who can pay".

This is what I find so disheartening about politics. The government steps in to "fix" something (make it magically "free"), screws it up, and then is once again called upon to fix the new problem that they created! They interfere in the healthcare market (Medicaid, Medicare) in foolish ways, and then when the market reacts poorly, they muck it up a bit more, and the process repeats until we have what all progressives seem to dream about -- a single-payer system. It would be the real life equivalent of hiring a contractor to fix your roof. He causes the roof to drop down into your home, crushing much of what you own. You then re-hire him to renovate your home (due to the damage) and he manages to flood the basement. Eventually, you are living in a tent which is owned by the contractor. Any normal person would say to the contractor, "You've done enough, no more!" but not progressives, they keep on believing in government.

Has anyone else noticed that most of the elective surgeries and procedures not covered by government programs (or most insurance policies) have dropped the most in price? These are medical procedures that have had the most exposure to market forces (cosmetic surgeries, laser eye correction, etc.) -- and prices for them have been dropping. Sure, when these procedures first came into the market they were very expensive, and only very wealthy families could make their daughter's Roman noses (roamin' all over their faces) more streamlined. Only professional athletes with huge amounts of disposable income could get their eyes laser corrected. It was all so thoroughly evil and horrible -- that evil rich people can have better noses and better vision -- I'm so angry I can't even see straight! But over time, the market worked.

Modern progressives and their followers, if they could just look beyond their own envy and hatred, would experience lower costs on medical procedures if they let the market work. Healthcare, unfortunately, is a market that is (and has been) easily demagogued by progressives.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: saturnotaku on Sat, 26 October 2013, 06:43:47

The UK's NHS has been suffering from underfunding and government mismanagement (due to incompetence and / or malice) since it was first conceived. 

I want you to use the critical thinking skills you boast about to really think about what you just said here.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 26 October 2013, 12:33:27
This does, however, touch on one underlying truth - healthcare is not free, it costs money.  Significant amounts of money.  There's no way of "balancing the books", it /must/ be subsidised or otherwise restricted to "those who can pay".

This is what I find so disheartening about politics. The government steps in to "fix" something (make it magically "free"), screws it up, and then is once again called upon to fix the new problem that they created! They interfere in the healthcare market (Medicaid, Medicare) in foolish ways, and then when the market reacts poorly, they muck it up a bit more, and the process repeats until we have what all progressives seem to dream about -- a single-payer system. It would be the real life equivalent of hiring a contractor to fix your roof. He causes the roof to drop down into your home, crushing much of what you own. You then re-hire him to renovate your home (due to the damage) and he manages to flood the basement. Eventually, you are living in a tent which is owned by the contractor. Any normal person would say to the contractor, "You've done enough, no more!" but not progressives, they keep on believing in government.

This reminds me of the Metrodome collapsing a couple years ago.  They hired the same company that built it the first time to do the repairs.  I thought to myself "really?  that doesn't make much sense."  I even had some friends who believe in the government voice a similar opinion about not trusting the same company to repair their mistakes.  Funny that that sort of logic doesn't apply to the government messing things up.  The government couldn't possibly screw things up, or if they do it's just a fluke.  They always have our best interests in mind.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Sat, 26 October 2013, 12:56:42
Healthcare, unfortunately, is a market
And that's the single, utterly crucial, point on which we differ.  My view is that healthcare shouldn't be - indeed, in a society that cares about its citizens, can't be - "a market".  It's a fundamental need which should be provided by and for a society in its entirety. Treatment should be available on a basis of need rather than on profitability and ability to pay.  A fully "market led" system puts profitability ahead of patients.

Healthcare is a basic need.  It has a cost, and that cost should be borne by society as a whole.  The more wealthy in society helping the most needy.

Would you not agree that the money spent on sending young Americans overseas to be blown up and shot would be better spent on bringing the US up from its current 51st place in the league table for infant mortality?

I want you to use the critical thinking skills you boast about to really think about what you just said here.
I fail to see the disconnect.  The NHS /has/ been underfunded since it was created.

Governments of all colours have interfered and reshuffled and generally buggered about with it "because something has to be seen to be done", despite not generally having any clinical knowledge.  For example, the current UK Secretary of State for Health, the Right Honorable Jeremy Hunt MP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1G6osCnsbA), is a failed entrepreneur and management consultant.  His predecessor, Andrew Lansley, has a BA in politics and worked at the Department of Trade and Industry.  Before him?  English degree, researcher and lobbyist. Before that? Postman.  Continue ad nauseam...

I believe that covers the incompetence side of things. As for malice, one only has to go back to the Thatcher / Major years, where significant effort was spent on "fattening up" the NHS for (at least partial) privatisation.  Blair was even worse, with his use of PFI (probably the best way of turning public funds into private ones ever invented) to put the basic infrastructure of the NHS into private hands.

Surprisingly enough, the NHS still manages to do a more than competent job.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Sat, 26 October 2013, 13:57:15
Healthcare, unfortunately, is a market
And that's the single, utterly crucial, point on which we differ.  My view is that healthcare shouldn't be - indeed, in a society that cares about its citizens, can't be - "a market".

It should be a market, and here's why -- markets reflect the reality that humanity's natural state is not altruism. Humanity is a mass of self-interested individuals. Socialists and progressives are effectively color-blind when it comes to this most basic of human characteristics; they see only greed. If you have children, you want the best for them; you won't normally sacrifice them for the sake of all the other children combined. Is that evil? No, it's just natural. But socialists want to create societies that require people to be altruists -- and this is why they always seem to devolve into authoritarian police states -- you need a police state to force everyone to sacrifice for everyone else. Shoehorning humanity into socialism's vision of what humans should be like has resulted in horrors such as Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' (which led to somewhere between 10 to 40 million Chinese dying from starvation) to Stalin's purges (at least 3 million dead).

Ask a mechanical engineer to design a waterwheel under the assumption that gravity draws water upwards. It doesn't make sense -- we need a system that doesn't require men to act like angels. And we do have a mechanism that works: markets.

Socialism is just authoritarianism with a thin PR veneer saying, "we're doing it for the people."

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[Healthcare is] a fundamental need which should be provided by and for a society in its entirety. Treatment should be available on a basis of need rather than on profitability and ability to pay.  A fully "market led" system puts profitability ahead of patients.

The problem with socialists is they don't understand markets. They see every transaction as a form of conflict; exploitative in some way. No transactions occur (in their minds) in which there is not a 'winner' or a 'loser' in some way. They believe that market economies represent zero-sum games; that wealth is finite. If there are four pieces to the pie, and someone has 2 slices, then the remaining people must share what remains. They seek to equitably (they decide what "equitably" means, natch) split the static, finite pie among the number of people who need a slice. To them, it's not possible to make more pies.

Anyone so ignorant of these two basic facts (human self-interest, and that wealth is not static) should have nothing to do with politics.
Most (but not all) market transactions are win-win -- ideally both parties benefit from the transaction.

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Healthcare is a basic need.  It has a cost, and that cost should be borne by society as a whole.  The more wealthy in society helping the most needy.

This is the creed of a thief, a burglar, a mugger. If I have something you need, you believe you have the right to take it. Cloak this in whatever political crap you want, it's no different from a mugger in a dark alleyway demanding a "contribution" while brandishing a weapon. You're asking for a "contribution" but it isn't.

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Would you not agree that the money spent on sending young Americans overseas to be blown up and shot would be better spent on bringing the US up from its current 51st place in the league table for infant mortality?

I won't discuss the morality of warfare with someone who can morally conflate American civil rights abuses with North Korea's wholesale operation of death camps.

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I want you to use the critical thinking skills you boast about to really think about what you just said here.
I fail to see the disconnect.  The NHS /has/ been underfunded since it was created.

There's never enough money, never. Tufty has mastered doublethink. The NHS is a mixture of malevolence and incompetence, but they're underfunded. I don't know, but when these two qualities cross paths in the market, generally they don't get more funding, they get less. If Politics is just Hollywood for ugly people -- why give them more power? Why entrust them with providing for "basic needs" at all? Is society so infantile and helpless that we cannot provide for ourselves without government? Let government do the things which they can do well (build roads, act as a referee for the market) but stay out of the market itself.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Sat, 26 October 2013, 16:26:29
sometimes i would look at the posts of the people i ignore on geekhack
just because i feel like maybe i am wrong for ignoring them
but i seems no, i am not
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 26 October 2013, 17:30:55
Meh.  You cannot have a reasonable conversation about politics in this country.  Just turns into a bunch of guys yelling at each other about the stuff the media and politicians make us believe is important.

I find it unreasonable for anybody to get incensed about one dude (Obama or whoever is the prez).  I only have the energy for so many emotions, and wasting it on some politician is a waste of my time.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Sun, 27 October 2013, 08:12:40
Best internet comedy 2013 - "What Socialists Think" by Krogenar, aged 15¾
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Sun, 27 October 2013, 09:20:23
This reminds me of the Metrodome collapsing a couple years ago.  They hired the same company that built it the first time to do the repairs.  I thought to myself "really?  that doesn't make much sense."  I even had some friends who believe in the government voice a similar opinion about not trusting the same company to repair their mistakes.  Funny that that sort of logic doesn't apply to the government messing things up.  The government couldn't possibly screw things up, or if they do it's just a fluke.  They always have our best interests in mind.   :rolleyes:

When there's only one supplier of anything it is generally unwise. Certain things benefit from a monopoly (police forces, military, i.e. "force", highway construction, etc.) but generally power should be diffused to as many people as possible -- the market helps do this. Progressives routinely complain about potential monopolies in the market (not a bad reaction, it's not good for the market) but they embrace government near-monopolies on education and now healthcare. It doesn't make sense to me, considering government's track record in these areas. Government isn't the answer: free markets, created by individuals, are a better solution. Not a perfect solution, but far better than government control.

Hoffman, thanks for sharing your opinion.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Sun, 27 October 2013, 09:28:43
There was a comment by someone I routinely ignore, then someone dropped a line about cynically being "above" political discussions along with a rejoinder about political discussions being pointless (then posting about political posts must be even more pointless) and then this:

Best internet comedy 2013 - "What Socialists Think" by Krogenar, aged 15¾

Name-calling! Ah, tufty, your kung fu is weak.  :D
I can't really blame you for bowing out. Who could make the argument that collectivism is the answer while standing upon the mountain of corpses produced by these horrible ideas?
It's a tough sell. My advice: get better ideas.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: tufty on Sun, 27 October 2013, 11:16:21
Okay, I'll give this one more go.

First off, that wasn't name-calling, it was sarcasm.  I know you're American, though, and might not recognise it, so I'll let you off.

The post I was referring was going reasonably well for the first sentence or two, and then went off into an ill-informed rant on the state of socialism, and what socialism is, before going off on another one about ****ing North Korea.  So I'll step in here and be flat out straight with you.  Krogenar, you have no ****ing idea what a socialist is.

I'll address a couple of pointlets in the post though:

Yes, Mao's cultural revolution caused millions of deaths.  So did Stalin's purges.  But revolutions in general are never pretty, and there's been a good few more right-wing ones that turned out pretty nasty too.  Pinochet's Chile springs to mind, for example.  When murderous maniacs get hold of power, they tend to kill people.  That's a bit obvious, really.

It's been my experience that those with a "left leaning" political viewpoint generally understand markets rather better than those who advocate free market liberalism.

As for the NHS, I never aid that it was incompetent and malevolent, I said it had been managed at government levels by those who are either incompetent or outright malevolent.  The suggestion, as you're apparently too dense to see it, is that government should change, not the NHS itself.

So far, though, you've yet to actually adress any of the points I've brought up.  With the exception of North Korea, which really seems to have got a bug up your ass.  Still, you've managed to clear one thing up for me.  Earlier, I said
whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.
It's quite clearly "morons".

Yes, /that/ was name calling.  In case you missed it.

out.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 27 October 2013, 12:08:18
You're doing a great job reinforcing the common stereotype that French people are a bunch of snobs who eat bad-tasting cheese and look down their noses at Americans.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Sun, 27 October 2013, 12:39:23
He isn't french.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Sun, 27 October 2013, 13:19:15
Ok, so you deny that you resorted to name-calling because your arguments are flaccid, then stated that (since I'm American) I'm likely too stupid to realize you were only being sarcastic. And then you rounded out the post by openly insulting me.  :thumb: Also, I apparently don't understand what socialism is all about. With respect, I think I do understand socialism. It's a beautiful, poetic set of ideas -- ideas that have caused more horror, death and democide than any other idea in the past century of human history. It just seems that you can't implement collectivist ideas on a large scale without causing widespread horror and evil. I won't argue that it's a beautiful idea, only that it does not work.

But let's get to the part of your post that was most shocking:

Yes, Mao's cultural revolution caused millions of deaths.  So did Stalin's purges.  But revolutions in general are never pretty, and there's been a good few more right-wing ones that turned out pretty nasty too.  Pinochet's Chile springs to mind, for example. When murderous maniacs get hold of power, they tend to kill people. That's a bit obvious, really.

Why is it, then, that collectivist concepts (communism, socialism, Leninism -- all the same piss and vinegar to me) seem to be the ideologies of choice for most murderous tyrants? And I love the way you breezily wave your hand over Mao and Stalin's democides -- "yeah, sure, millions died, but --" That's a pretty big "but" in my book. Pinochet was undoubtedly a tyrant (he murdered roughly 3,000 people, and tortured many tens of thousands more) but as tyrants go, he's small potatoes compared to Mao and Stalin. Still a monster, but he really cannot compare to the mountain ranges of bodies stacked up by the two signature collectivist nations.

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As for the NHS, I never aid that it was incompetent and malevolent, I said it had been managed at government levels by those who are either incompetent or outright malevolent.  The suggestion, as you're apparently too dense to see it, is that government should change, not the NHS itself.

Right, the organization (NHS) is splendid, the problem is that there are bad people running it? How about this? The nature of government is such that accountability and competence are hard to find -- hence, they shouldn't be handed monopolies on major parts of human commerce. That's my position.

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With the exception of North Korea, which really seems to have got a bug up your ass.
Yes, the wholesale slaughter of innocent human beings by their own government really irks me. It apparently doesn't irk you enough to make you reconsider the wisdom of giving government that much authority.

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Still, you've managed to clear one thing up for me.  Earlier, I said
whether that puts him in the camp of "vested interests" or "morons" is a matter for debate.
It's quite clearly "morons".
Yes, /that/ was name calling.  In case you missed it.
out.

I don't think you are a moron, tufty.
I think you are in the thrall of a horribly bad idea; an idea that has immiserated and murdered millions of our fellow human beings.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Malphas on Mon, 28 October 2013, 08:07:26
On what basis? Is it the fact that he's fired more cruise missiles than all other nobel laureates combined?
What a bizarre and misleading comparison. Wouldn't it make more sense to use a category that's actually relavant? Like Presidents of the United States, or heads of state in general or something?

"Did you know Obama has fired more cruise missiles than all other Hawaiians combined!?"

"Did you know Obama has fired more cruise missiles than all other Harvard graduates combined!?" (This one's probably not even true.)

"Did you know Obama has fired more cruise missiles than all other White Sox fans combined!?"

I don't even like Obama. In fact I quite dislike him. But I wouldn't stoop to making idiotic Fox-news-esque statements like this about it.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Malphas on Mon, 28 October 2013, 08:12:51
On a side note the NHS is mostly fine. Certainly an order of magnitude better than what you can expect in the United States if you don't have health insurance. Not only that, but you can still have private health insurance in the UK and get treated privately, in a private hospital anyway if you like (I've personally used both), and I'd pay basically the same amount of tax if I lived in the US as I do here.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: viowastaken on Mon, 28 October 2013, 08:24:27
I think it would be very easy to make a case for impeachment for at least the past three presidents on grounds of constitutional violations.

Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 28 October 2013, 08:44:29
On what basis? Is it the fact that he's fired more cruise missiles than all other nobel laureates combined?
What a bizarre and misleading comparison. Wouldn't it make more sense to use a category that's actually relavant? Like Presidents of the United States, or heads of state in general or something?

"Did you know Obama has fired more cruise missiles than all other Hawaiians combined!?"

"Did you know Obama has fired more cruise missiles than all other Harvard graduates combined!?" (This one's probably not even true.)

"Did you know Obama has fired more cruise missiles than all other White Sox fans combined!?"

I don't even like Obama. In fact I quite dislike him. But I wouldn't stoop to making idiotic Fox-news-esque statements like this about it.

I was mocking President Obama's receipt of a Nobel Peace Prize (for apparently no reason besides his being black and the president simultaneously), and then his subsequent invasion of Libya. Oh, and did you hear this: Obama watched a hockey game and they're going to give him the Stanley Cup! The point of these jokes, Malphas, is that Obama has had his butt kissed by the entire world media despite his having achieved nothing at all, aside from being elected President.

As for his being removed from office, I stated earlier that it was Obama's unequal enforcement of the rule of law that warranted his removal. The various exemptions to ObamaCare, the delays, the wholesale modification of the law as he sees fit, is unconstitutional. Having a major piece of legislation passed through Congress does not mean Obama has a blank check to do whatever the law references. Laws are not blank checks.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 30 October 2013, 06:56:49
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 30 October 2013, 07:19:33
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^His stance on the Bill of Rights

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^His opinion on the change he has brought to this nation.

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^I just loled at this one cuz it's so true...
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:40:00
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:43:21
Quote from: Barack Obama
"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

This quote is not a reason to remove Obama from office; it's just proof Obama is the most self-absorbed president in history. Obama's presidency is the "moment" when we finally turn things around; stop Earth-crushing incoming asteroids, stop the rise of the oceans, etc. -- the guy couldn't even manage to set up a website.

That's what rankles about Obama so much; it's not just his stupid policies, it's the credulousness of his followers -- they act as though he's some political super-Jesus. And instead he just sucks.

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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:52:44
Is it time for a global warming debate thread :o

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Why not?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 October 2013, 10:12:46
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:04:24
Is it time for a global warming debate thread :o

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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:05:11
Is it time for a global warming debate thread :o

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Good idea!

Where you been MW, your lovely topics have been missed!!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:14:02
I'm usually pretty busy at work from Saturday to Tuesday, so I typically do most of my wonderful sharing of knowledge here from Wednesday to Friday.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:25:15
http://allenbwest.com/2013/11/word-obama-dangerously-close/
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: iri on Mon, 11 November 2013, 02:29:26
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 11 November 2013, 04:42:10
First: impeach every member of Congress. Replace them with people who actually have, you know, intelligence...

Then: if things don't improve, impeach Obama. Replace him with someone who actually has, you know, intelligence...

Socialist!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:40:46
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:45:26
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If only he'd actually rage-quit the presidency...
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 11 November 2013, 08:51:30
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If only he'd actually rage-quit the presidency...

I know right.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 11 November 2013, 13:30:31
I wish he would!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 15 November 2013, 12:31:23
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 25 June 2014, 14:04:05
Well, recent developments I guess have put this question back in the air! Do you think the conduct of Barack Obama during his presidency warrants impeachment?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 25 June 2014, 15:34:06
i believe he should be immangoed of imbananaed, not a big fan of peaches
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 25 June 2014, 17:37:59
Obama is an oily snake oil salesman.

Unfortunately, so is Congress, the biggest criminal organization in the United States. (I remember reading that Americans actually have more respect for prostitutes and drug dealers than they have for Congressmen.)

But an oily snake oil salesman is still better than a paranoid and thoroughly evil fascist with no heart. (It's some guy who calls himself ****.)

If you impeach Obama, might as well do the rest for all of Congress and all the lobbyist scum. Bring to power a bunch of greens and hippies and America might actually stop invading other countries and subsidizing big businesses. It would actually be good for the average American!
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 June 2014, 18:46:32
Obama is an oily snake oil salesman.

Unfortunately, so is Congress, the biggest criminal organization in the United States. (I remember reading that Americans actually have more respect for prostitutes and drug dealers than they have for Congressmen.)

But an oily snake oil salesman is still better than a paranoid and thoroughly evil fascist with no heart. (It's some guy who calls himself ****.)

If you impeach Obama, might as well do the rest for all of Congress and all the lobbyist scum. Bring to power a bunch of greens and hippies and America might actually stop invading other countries and subsidizing big businesses. It would actually be good for the average American!

 :thumb:
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 25 June 2014, 20:12:44
I think the main problem with impeaching Obama is that Joe Biden would end up becoming president.  Best impeach them both I guess.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 25 June 2014, 23:28:27
I think the main problem with impeaching Obama is that Joe Biden would end up becoming president.  Best impeach them both I guess.

Biden can't do any harm.

You know in many of these TV shows they have a team of operatives or police or agents or what have you, usually there's at least one black, one Hispanic, and sometimes an Asian in the cast. All ruled by this milquetoast bland WASP guy in upper management who's totally middle class, totally safe, and just wants to be a bureaucrat and get paid and not have the lower-downs get his pension/ pay grade in trouble. Sounds like Biden.

Of course, eventually they often have a little twist where WASP guy's family gets torn apart when his daughter is doing drugs and his son gets arrested in some prostitution bust.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 25 June 2014, 23:35:24


 :thumb:

Glad to have someone not pissed off with my political views  ;D

But do you know that Big Businesses in America don't pay taxes? Apple, GE, all the big shots have tax exemptions and all kinds of weird loopholes. I remember reading that GE, YES, General Electric, which owns lots of military tech firms, gets a nett $500m subsidy from Uncle Sam every year instead of a tax bill. (The billions that GE makes, gets sequestered in overseas accounts using loopholes and isn't subject to taxation.)

Whenever I hear some patriot foaming at the mouth about Russia, Iran, China or whoever is the enemy of the day, I laugh to think his ass is already getting screwed by significantly less-patriotic American firms. If Chinese and Russian sovereign wealth funds could buy more shares in US-listed firms, they could fxxx over 99% of Americans without firing a shot, and the 99% would beg for more. This is an outcome Sun Zi would definitely be rooting for.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 26 June 2014, 04:47:20
*Clicks thread to see all the fuss* Holy jezus! This has to be  the funniest thread I have read through on this forum so far.

Moments like these just bring a tear to my eye, in a good way.
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Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 26 June 2014, 06:32:27
If it turns out that Obama knew that the IRS was targeting his political opponents, then it will be far worse than Watergate. I think Obama should be impeached right now on the basis of his wholesale alteration of existing law (Obamacare), which he has no power to change, and his unwillingness to enforce border security. Obama gave an oath to faithfully uphold the laws of the country, and these things make him an oath-breaker.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: berserkfan on Thu, 26 June 2014, 08:31:10
Obama gave an oath to faithfully uphold the laws of the country, and these things make him an oath-breaker.

Who was the last US president to uphold the laws of the country? JFK?
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 26 June 2014, 09:01:05
Obama gave an oath to faithfully uphold the laws of the country, and these things make him an oath-breaker.

Who was the last US president to uphold the laws of the country? JFK?

Lincoln.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 26 June 2014, 09:06:23
Obama gave an oath to faithfully uphold the laws of the country, and these things make him an oath-breaker.

Who was the last US president to uphold the laws of the country? JFK?

Lincoln.
Didn't he break quite a few laws passing the 13th amendment? Albeit for good reasons, but still.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 26 June 2014, 09:08:11
Obama gave an oath to faithfully uphold the laws of the country, and these things make him an oath-breaker.

Who was the last US president to uphold the laws of the country? JFK?

Lincoln.
Didn't he break quite a few laws passing the 13th amendment? Albeit for good reasons, but still.

He had the guts to do the right thing despite that fact. That alone shows more integrity than all other presidents to date combined.

We need another president like this.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 26 June 2014, 09:56:28
Obama needs to go
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 26 June 2014, 11:04:38
3edgy5me
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: keymaster on Thu, 26 June 2014, 11:11:04
3edgy5me

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 26 June 2014, 11:13:18
was yokin

I'm neutral when it comes to politics
Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 26 June 2014, 11:17:33
Lincoln had the guts to do the right thing despite that fact. That alone shows more integrity than all other presidents to date combined.

We need another president like this.

A fascinating story about Lincoln: when news that the Civil War was over reached Washington, a spontaneous parade ensued. They marched to the White House, reveling in their victory over the Confederates, and when the President came to White House porch they asked him what song they should play while they marched -- Lincoln suggested 'Dixie' -- a distinctly Southern song, as a reminder that even in victory, the Confederates were still our countrymen.

A lesser man would have used the opportunity to gloat -- but not Lincoln. He was more interested in ending the war and healing the rift between North and South. That's what made him a great president.

Meanwhile, the Bipartisan-Healer-in-Chief says (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/01/i-won-president/):

Quote from: ABCNews
As the president, he had told Kyl after the Arizonan raised objections to the notion of a tax credit for people who don’t pay income taxes, Obama told Cantor this morning that "on some of these issues we’re just going to have ideological differences."

The president added, "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you."

Title: Re: Should Obama be impeached?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 26 June 2014, 12:41:25
Lincoln had the guts to do the right thing despite that fact. That alone shows more integrity than all other presidents to date combined.

We need another president like this.

A fascinating story about Lincoln: when news that the Civil War was over reached Washington, a spontaneous parade ensued. They marched to the White House, reveling in their victory over the Confederates, and when the President came to White House porch they asked him what song they should play while they marched -- Lincoln suggested 'Dixie' -- a distinctly Southern song, as a reminder that even in victory, the Confederates were still our countrymen.

A lesser man would have used the opportunity to gloat -- but not Lincoln. He was more interested in ending the war and healing the rift between North and South. That's what made him a great president.

Meanwhile, the Bipartisan-Healer-in-Chief says (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/01/i-won-president/):

Quote from: ABCNews
As the president, he had told Kyl after the Arizonan raised objections to the notion of a tax credit for people who don’t pay income taxes, Obama told Cantor this morning that "on some of these issues we’re just going to have ideological differences."

The president added, "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you."



Damn modern presidents and their egos... learn some damn humility!