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Title: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:44:18
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:46:28
Who even plays games these days?
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: theeattre on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:51:12
why read a book? the progression is predetermined and i can listen to someone else read it to me.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: vun on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:55:36
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)

If you're itching to watch some yahoo play the game for you while jabbering all over it then that's an issue with you, not with singleplayer games.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: PointyFox on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:55:39
why read a book? the progression is predetermined and i can listen to someone else read it to me.

Choose Your Own Adventure.

(http://pwtorch.com/artman2/uploads/4/mind-blown.jpg)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:56:14
why read a book? the progression is predetermined and i can listen to someone else read it to me.

Well, many people have switched to "audio book" for entertainment-reading...

As far as the "task" of reading itself.. I do believe reading it yourself is faster than the audio book.. if your goal is "completion"..   

And Obviously if you need to Learn a complex task for the job... you'd still read the book/manual..
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 15:57:08
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)

If you're itching to watch some yahoo play the game for you while jabbering all over it then that's an issue with you, not with singleplayer games.

ah... they have ones with "no commentary"... clearly you're out of touch with the pace youtube has moved... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)

and for the most part, the commentary isn't "that bad"...
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:00:10
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)

If you're itching to watch some yahoo play the game for you while jabbering all over it then that's an issue with you, not with singleplayer games.

ah... they have ones with "no commentary"... clearly you're out of touch with the pace youtube has moved...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)


and for the most part, the commentary isn't "that bad"...

" HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA" " WTF WAS THAT" -Youtube walkthrough commentator
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:02:36
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)

If you're itching to watch some yahoo play the game for you while jabbering all over it then that's an issue with you, not with singleplayer games.

ah... they have ones with "no commentary"... clearly you're out of touch with the pace youtube has moved...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)


and for the most part, the commentary isn't "that bad"...

" HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA" " WTF WAS THAT" -Youtube walkthrough commentator

sometimes the guy who plays the game has some commentary.. but it's the usual text, like, OMG wtf, oh **** no-he-did-nt.. awwwwhhh----shiiiiiiitt.. omfg, rage quit.. stay tuned for the next video...

Nothing that "you urself" wouldn't say had you been playing the game.  so, it's not really disruptive... for the most part.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:09:41
Solitaire's a pretty good single-player game.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:13:19
Solitaire's a pretty good single-player game.

solitaire is not a game.

it's a life lesson...

You can stack these cards all you want... sooner or later, they're gonna fall on ya..

This applies to all manners of "human-collections", be it wealth, status, keyboards, OLD COMPUTER PARTS/ software.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:15:12
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)

If you're itching to watch some yahoo play the game for you while jabbering all over it then that's an issue with you, not with singleplayer games.

ah... they have ones with "no commentary"... clearly you're out of touch with the pace youtube has moved...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)


and for the most part, the commentary isn't "that bad"...

" HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA" " WTF WAS THAT" -Youtube walkthrough commentator

sometimes the guy who plays the game has some commentary.. but it's the usual text, like, OMG wtf, oh **** no-he-did-nt.. awwwwhhh----shiiiiiiitt.. omfg, rage quit.. stay tuned for the next video...

Nothing that "you urself" wouldn't say had you been playing the game.  so, it's not really disruptive... for the most part.

When I play games I shut up and enjoy the scenery while trying to beat the level making some grunting noises. But I don't go WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO every other time something pops up
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: PointyFox on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:15:49
Solitaire's a pretty good single-player game.

solitaire is not a game.

it's a life lesson...

You can stack these cards all you want... sooner or later, they're gonna fall on ya..

This applies to all manners of "human-collections", be it wealth, status, keyboards, OLD COMPUTER PARTS/ software.

To Microsoft it is.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:16:17
Got a couple of single player games in my back log..

I start them, and in the back of my mind... I'm itching to just watch someone else play through it on Youtube...

Why bother...  The progression is predetermined... And you can find most of the "secret" endings on youtube as well...

Why put in the work playing the game myself...


That is to say.. I've outsourced my gaming...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_118_.gif)

If you're itching to watch some yahoo play the game for you while jabbering all over it then that's an issue with you, not with singleplayer games.

ah... they have ones with "no commentary"... clearly you're out of touch with the pace youtube has moved...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)


and for the most part, the commentary isn't "that bad"...

" HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA" " WTF WAS THAT" -Youtube walkthrough commentator

sometimes the guy who plays the game has some commentary.. but it's the usual text, like, OMG wtf, oh **** no-he-did-nt.. awwwwhhh----shiiiiiiitt.. omfg, rage quit.. stay tuned for the next video...

Nothing that "you urself" wouldn't say had you been playing the game.  so, it's not really disruptive... for the most part.

When I play games I shut up and enjoy the scenery while trying to beat the level making some grunting noises. But I don't go WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO every other time something pops up

neither does the commentator...  It's not always whoooooo... but there's SOME wh00000 involved.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 16:16:47
Solitaire's a pretty good single-player game.

solitaire is not a game.

it's a life lesson...

You can stack these cards all you want... sooner or later, they're gonna fall on ya..

This applies to all manners of "human-collections", be it wealth, status, keyboards, OLD COMPUTER PARTS/ software.

To Microsoft it is.

hahahahaha
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:50:18
I still love single player games like The Last of Us, Skyrim, or any JRPG xD
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:50:38
"to be played" folder: 17 games

"playing" folder: 3 games

"played" folder: 4 games.

I need to stop playing GW2 and play some of these.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:56:16
"to be played" folder: 17 games

"playing" folder: 3 games

"played" folder: 4 games.

I need to stop playing GW2 and play some of these.

now imagine... some one can level your character in GW2 FOR YOU... omg... heaven... while you just sit around and do this... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/015.gif)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:56:29
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 17:57:38
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.

xactly... that's why I go to youtube...

I want to find out what happens to batman...  Now I'm thinking, a few more retries on this level, and grinding for another level up will take 2hrs...  OR I could go to Youtube.. and just find out what happens... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:01:27
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.

xactly... that's why I go to youtube...

I want to find out what happens to batman...  Now I'm thinking, a few more retries on this level, and grinding for another level up will take 2hrs...  OR I could go to Youtube.. and just find out what happens...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)


I prefer to find out for myself.

I like exploring the game worlds, and sometimes wish the game maker allowed exploring areas outside the, often linear, path allowed by the game.

I use games to relax - I can switch my mind off and for a little while just enjoy the scenery.

No, I don't get out much ;)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:07:23
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.

xactly... that's why I go to youtube...

I want to find out what happens to batman...  Now I'm thinking, a few more retries on this level, and grinding for another level up will take 2hrs...  OR I could go to Youtube.. and just find out what happens...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)


I prefer to find out for myself.

I like exploring the game worlds, and sometimes wish the game maker allowed exploring areas outside the, often linear, path allowed by the game.

I use games to relax - I can switch my mind off and for a little while just enjoy the scenery.

No, I don't get out much ;)

I went outside today to get the mail... took a deep breath.. felt good... looked at the trees and tousled the leaves on the branches...   THEN I got mad... cuz I know these damn leaves are gonna fall off, and I'm gonna have to clean it up.... AGHHHHHHHH   Damn you outsideeeee...... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/215ad82f.gif)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:09:27
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.

xactly... that's why I go to youtube...

I want to find out what happens to batman...  Now I'm thinking, a few more retries on this level, and grinding for another level up will take 2hrs...  OR I could go to Youtube.. and just find out what happens...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)


I prefer to find out for myself.

I like exploring the game worlds, and sometimes wish the game maker allowed exploring areas outside the, often linear, path allowed by the game.

I use games to relax - I can switch my mind off and for a little while just enjoy the scenery.

No, I don't get out much ;)

I went outside today to get the mail... took a deep breath.. felt good... looked at the trees and tousled the leaves on the branches...   THEN I got mad... cuz I know these damn leaves are gonna fall off, and I'm gonna have to clean it up.... AGHHHHHHHH   Damn you outsideeeee......
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/215ad82f.gif)


What was the resolution like?

We have pretty good resolution over here, and the lighting is usually quite good.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:14:46
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.

xactly... that's why I go to youtube...

I want to find out what happens to batman...  Now I'm thinking, a few more retries on this level, and grinding for another level up will take 2hrs...  OR I could go to Youtube.. and just find out what happens...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)


I prefer to find out for myself.

I like exploring the game worlds, and sometimes wish the game maker allowed exploring areas outside the, often linear, path allowed by the game.

I use games to relax - I can switch my mind off and for a little while just enjoy the scenery.

No, I don't get out much ;)

I went outside today to get the mail... took a deep breath.. felt good... looked at the trees and tousled the leaves on the branches...   THEN I got mad... cuz I know these damn leaves are gonna fall off, and I'm gonna have to clean it up.... AGHHHHHHHH   Damn you outsideeeee......
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/215ad82f.gif)


What was the resolution like?

We have pretty good resolution over here, and the lighting is usually quite good.

aw, man it was awful... I didn't have my glasses on, so it was like the new ffff-ed up Depth of field filter in Deux Ex... BLURRRRRR...  total disappoint... 

It was also gloomy , guess god didn't care much for the color balance today... the gamma was not to my liking

I estimate I got 800x600 tops today..

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/cfed93e2.gif)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:16:58
Yes, but I don't have anywhere near as much time to play as I'd like.

xactly... that's why I go to youtube...

I want to find out what happens to batman...  Now I'm thinking, a few more retries on this level, and grinding for another level up will take 2hrs...  OR I could go to Youtube.. and just find out what happens...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_113_.gif)


I prefer to find out for myself.

I like exploring the game worlds, and sometimes wish the game maker allowed exploring areas outside the, often linear, path allowed by the game.

I use games to relax - I can switch my mind off and for a little while just enjoy the scenery.

No, I don't get out much ;)

I went outside today to get the mail... took a deep breath.. felt good... looked at the trees and tousled the leaves on the branches...   THEN I got mad... cuz I know these damn leaves are gonna fall off, and I'm gonna have to clean it up.... AGHHHHHHHH   Damn you outsideeeee......
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/215ad82f.gif)


What was the resolution like?

We have pretty good resolution over here, and the lighting is usually quite good.

aw, man it was awful... I didn't have my glasses on, so it was like the new ffff-ed up Depth of field filter in Deux Ex... BLURRRRRR...  total disappoint... 

It was also gloomy , guess god didn't care much for the color balance today... the gamma was not to my liking

I estimate I got 800x600 tops today..

Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/cfed93e2.gif)


Sounds like you are still using a 15" CRT monitor ;)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: regack on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:24:05
Meh, I like looking at time shifted videos of plants growing on YouTube so I don't have to spend as much time outside away from my single player games ;)
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:25:16
Meh, I like looking at time shifted videos of plants growing on YouTube so I don't have to spend as much time outside away from my single player games ;)

There's two good ideas there!
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:41:03
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:55:28
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 21:16:49
"to be played" folder: 17 games

"playing" folder: 3 games

"played" folder: 4 games.

I need to stop playing GW2 and play some of these.

now imagine... some one can level your character in GW2 FOR YOU... omg... heaven... while you just sit around and do this...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/015.gif)


But leveling is the best part :(

I did actually boot up skyrim and play that for a few hours.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 21:49:12
About the only time I will seek an online video of someone else playing a game is if I want to get into a certain area, but after multiple tries cannot figure it out.  This does not happen too often.

Or to see a speedrun, but only after I have finished the game.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:18:06
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:18:59
I'm not very fond of speedruns... it kinda takes away from the single player experience and turns the game into a chore than needs to be done precisely... lol
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:22:51
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:25:55
I'm not very fond of speedruns... it kinda takes away from the single player experience and turns the game into a chore than needs to be done precisely... lol

It also makes a mockery of the game author's intentions - instead of experiencing a fantastic boss fight, you jump on top of the scenery and walk around the entire scene to the exit point (HL2).
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:30:49
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:33:31
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:48:21
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..

Well do you fast forward to the ending when watching a film, or skip to the last page when reading a book? Or rather, have someone fast forward for you really.
Then what's the point in even playing a game or saying you enjoy them? You saw the reviews and read the wiki, therefor you played the game? Or watched it through a let's play, that defeats the entire notion of what a video game is which is an interactive experience. It's hot media.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 24 October 2013, 23:54:08
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..

Well do you fast forward to the ending when watching a film, or skip to the last page when reading a book? Or rather, have someone fast forward for you really.
Then what's the point in even playing a game or saying you enjoy them? You saw the reviews and read the wiki, therefor you played the game? Or watched it through a let's play, that defeats the entire notion of what a video game is which is an interactive experience. It's hot media.

That's the way it was meant to be consumed, I agree.

But let me give you an example..

You are being taught some basic 2nd order differential solves.. eventually you can do much of it in your head..

You are given an exercise book..

If they don't ask you to show your work..

Do you bother to write out everything..  OR do you just run it through your mind... and get the solution.... and hand it in for the resultant Cookie, with the stamp that says YOU WIN...


This is how I see video games, after having played so many of them thoroughly and to completion.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:01:21
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..

Well do you fast forward to the ending when watching a film, or skip to the last page when reading a book? Or rather, have someone fast forward for you really.
Then what's the point in even playing a game or saying you enjoy them? You saw the reviews and read the wiki, therefor you played the game? Or watched it through a let's play, that defeats the entire notion of what a video game is which is an interactive experience. It's hot media.

That's the way it was meant to be consumed, I agree.

But let me give you an example..

You are being taught some basic 2nd order differential solves.. eventually you can do much of it in your head..

You are given an exercise book..

If they don't ask you to show your work..

Do you bother to write out everything..  OR do you just run it through your mind... and get the solution.... and hand it in for the resultant Cookie, with the stamp that says YOU WIN...


This is how I see video games, after having played so many of them thoroughly and to completion.

Well I know a lot of designers, artists, and programmers that would be heartbroken over you outlook on video games but I don't think your in the majority with it. Have you tried slot machines?
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 00:07:59
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..

Well do you fast forward to the ending when watching a film, or skip to the last page when reading a book? Or rather, have someone fast forward for you really.
Then what's the point in even playing a game or saying you enjoy them? You saw the reviews and read the wiki, therefor you played the game? Or watched it through a let's play, that defeats the entire notion of what a video game is which is an interactive experience. It's hot media.

That's the way it was meant to be consumed, I agree.

But let me give you an example..

You are being taught some basic 2nd order differential solves.. eventually you can do much of it in your head..

You are given an exercise book..

If they don't ask you to show your work..

Do you bother to write out everything..  OR do you just run it through your mind... and get the solution.... and hand it in for the resultant Cookie, with the stamp that says YOU WIN...


This is how I see video games, after having played so many of them thoroughly and to completion.

Well I know a lot of designers, artists, and programmers that would be heartbroken over you outlook on video games but I don't think your in the majority with it. Have you tried slot machines?

I think many people who do not, or have stopped playing video games intuitively adapts the way I've described...  Many people with large steam back logs.. I believe also demonstrate some similarities to this trend..

If machine gambling wasn't BY DESIGN forcing the player to lose, I'd probably consider it..
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 25 October 2013, 07:33:27
Good question Sir.
Seems that nowadays I'm playing only MMOs and online games ...
I love to play however playing alone is kinda boring!

This is a tendency?
Everybody connected into the matrix ...
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 25 October 2013, 09:22:31
Yes, I do. I play SC2 and Path of Exile occasionally. While both these games have multiplayer functionality, I find it most enjoyable to play by myself.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: daerid on Fri, 25 October 2013, 10:00:28
Single player games aren't about the "stat" of completing, more about the entire experience of playing through the game. There's definitely a monotony in game design these days, I'll give you that, as most games are just boring after a few minutes of play. But occasionally a combination of setting, premise/story, and mechanics are just right and you get a truly entertaining game that's fun to play.

The best single player games (IMO) are the ones that have a really captivating story that ties well into the game play. Sure you can watch it unfold on YouTube, but you don't get the same experience as when you play through it yourself, the same emotional ups and downs and attachments. And a strong/well balance game mechanic will make it fun to keep playing so you can get the full experience.

To hazard a completely overused cliche: the journey is more important than the destination.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 25 October 2013, 12:06:30
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..

Well do you fast forward to the ending when watching a film, or skip to the last page when reading a book? Or rather, have someone fast forward for you really.
Then what's the point in even playing a game or saying you enjoy them? You saw the reviews and read the wiki, therefor you played the game? Or watched it through a let's play, that defeats the entire notion of what a video game is which is an interactive experience. It's hot media.

That's the way it was meant to be consumed, I agree.

But let me give you an example..

You are being taught some basic 2nd order differential solves.. eventually you can do much of it in your head..

You are given an exercise book..

If they don't ask you to show your work..

Do you bother to write out everything..  OR do you just run it through your mind... and get the solution.... and hand it in for the resultant Cookie, with the stamp that says YOU WIN...


This is how I see video games, after having played so many of them thoroughly and to completion.

Well I know a lot of designers, artists, and programmers that would be heartbroken over you outlook on video games but I don't think your in the majority with it. Have you tried slot machines?

I think many people who do not, or have stopped playing video games intuitively adapts the way I've described...  Many people with large steam back logs.. I believe also demonstrate some similarities to this trend..

If machine gambling wasn't BY DESIGN forcing the player to lose, I'd probably consider it..

All that machine gambling is for is to bring money into the state governments. And it's fundamentally crooked.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: dante on Fri, 25 October 2013, 12:10:29
I still play single player.  Some of the best Atari 2600 / 7800 games have been homebrews released in the past few years.  See http://atariage.com/ and check out the store.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:21:14
"to be played" folder: 17 games

"playing" folder: 3 games

"played" folder: 4 games.

I need to stop playing GW2 and play some of these.
Guild Wars 2???
 :)
Magumma!!!
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:25:58
I believe I am also on Maguuma... except I haven't really played out my characters... I'm only level 20 xD
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:34:35
About 75% of what I play is single player. Why on Earth would I watch someone else play a game I've been looking forward to, when I can get the full experience first person. That's absolute insanity.

Why do you want the full experience?

Because that's the only way one can truly judge an interactive art  form to it's fullest representation.

I can't understand why you would bother to "judge" it...   After playing SO MANY video games myself...  There doesn't seem to be a huge difference in the Journey to completion.. It boils down to trading time away for the designed rewards system..

So what do you really "GET" that's new at the end.. "potentially"... the story, or a new take on the story...   

But the interactivity itself... I find it lame to be playing the 20th 3rd person game that's got the same mechanics with some new visuals.

You'll get no argument from me about 'same-feelness' in the industry, but the idea that you liken playing games to being like how a rat might gaining access to cheese by completing a maze seems to tell me that you don't really like playing video games.

First I must iterate that I love video-games, but there has been some growing out of

Turtle.. I don't think our perceptions are in conflict...

I am merely pointing out the fact that after having gone through enough gaming... there isn't much except the completion stat at the end, and w/e story they managed to impart..

And if THAT is what I am after...  why shouldn't I just short cut it using youtube..

Well do you fast forward to the ending when watching a film, or skip to the last page when reading a book? Or rather, have someone fast forward for you really.
Then what's the point in even playing a game or saying you enjoy them? You saw the reviews and read the wiki, therefor you played the game? Or watched it through a let's play, that defeats the entire notion of what a video game is which is an interactive experience. It's hot media.

That's the way it was meant to be consumed, I agree.

But let me give you an example..

You are being taught some basic 2nd order differential solves.. eventually you can do much of it in your head..

You are given an exercise book..

If they don't ask you to show your work..

Do you bother to write out everything..  OR do you just run it through your mind... and get the solution.... and hand it in for the resultant Cookie, with the stamp that says YOU WIN...


This is how I see video games, after having played so many of them thoroughly and to completion.

Well I know a lot of designers, artists, and programmers that would be heartbroken over you outlook on video games but I don't think your in the majority with it. Have you tried slot machines?

I think many people who do not, or have stopped playing video games intuitively adapts the way I've described...  Many people with large steam back logs.. I believe also demonstrate some similarities to this trend..

If machine gambling wasn't BY DESIGN forcing the player to lose, I'd probably consider it..

All that machine gambling is for is to bring money into the state governments. And it's fundamentally crooked.

Thread-derailment... I need an adult... I need an adult...  (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)

JK... I consider myself almost an adult...

The machine gambling does indeed bring money into the state....  but I don't think the mere labeling of the system as corrupt is meaningful/ useful..

It's the way it is for a reason...  There is a limit to social concord because we can not give equivalent information to all the players, nor can any individual handle ALL of the information required for perfectly Rational-Play-Choices...

The corruption could instead be looked upon as the cost (inefficiencies) of joint-human-efforts...

I believe many of the strategies we've employed to combat these issues are in fact TOO SIMILAR in principle to the cause of those very issues.

You can chastise  ONE GUY for doing something bad... but could you effectively do that to EVERYONE?  do you have the resource to do that...

Which is why I believe Punishment "after the fact".. is mostly for show..


I really wish they would put "ethics" into early educational courses... and NOT ONLY educate the children... but the PARENTS as well, because depending on background.... it may be the case that several generations of people misunderstand what it means to live-socially.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 25 October 2013, 17:24:59
I love some single player games for their story line or atmosphere. Unfortunately, this is something nearly non-existent in majority of multiplayer games. Especially MMOs are full of retards that have never heard of role playing.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: mauri on Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:04:40
Playing single player nowadays is like watching a movie, with all the cut-scenes and ****. Everybody loves movies right?
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: vun on Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:18:40
Playing single player nowadays is like watching a movie, with all the cut-scenes and ****. Everybody loves movies right?

No, if you sit down to play games and go play your modern AAA rail-shooters that's your fault, there are still plenty of good single-player experiences to be had.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: mauri on Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:32:01
Playing single player nowadays is like watching a movie, with all the cut-scenes and ****. Everybody loves movies right?

No, if you sit down to play games and go play your modern AAA rail-shooters that's your fault, there are still plenty of good single-player experiences to be had.

I'm not implying it's a bad experience, the feeling I get from watching an action movie or playing the newest call of duty single player is about the same.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: Tym on Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:37:52
I'm playing through Mafia II right now, why? Because its fun. I could watch someone else do it, but that would be very boring i feel. Maybe its the type of game.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: vun on Sat, 26 October 2013, 05:53:54
Playing single player nowadays is like watching a movie, with all the cut-scenes and ****. Everybody loves movies right?

No, if you sit down to play games and go play your modern AAA rail-shooters that's your fault, there are still plenty of good single-player experiences to be had.

I'm not implying it's a bad experience, the feeling I get from watching an action movie or playing the newest call of duty single player is about the same.

Yeah, I get that, but that's like saying TV is **** because there's Big Brother or whatever morons watch these days on there. There's good **** on TV, and there are good single-player experiences to be had if you look beyond the AAA shovelware.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: mauri on Sat, 26 October 2013, 06:01:28
Playing single player nowadays is like watching a movie, with all the cut-scenes and ****. Everybody loves movies right?

No, if you sit down to play games and go play your modern AAA rail-shooters that's your fault, there are still plenty of good single-player experiences to be had.

I'm not implying it's a bad experience, the feeling I get from watching an action movie or playing the newest call of duty single player is about the same.

Yeah, I get that, but that's like saying TV is **** because there's Big Brother or whatever morons watch these days on there. There's good **** on TV, and there are good single-player experiences to be had if you look beyond the AAA shovelware.

That's impossible since I never said anything was ****. More like saying Big Brother resembles the real word since both are more or less filled with morons. I happen to like the so called "AAA shovelware" but doesn't mean it's the only ice cream flavour I like.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: vun on Sat, 26 October 2013, 07:44:13
Playing single player nowadays is like watching a movie, with all the cut-scenes and ****. Everybody loves movies right?

No, if you sit down to play games and go play your modern AAA rail-shooters that's your fault, there are still plenty of good single-player experiences to be had.

I'm not implying it's a bad experience, the feeling I get from watching an action movie or playing the newest call of duty single player is about the same.

Yeah, I get that, but that's like saying TV is **** because there's Big Brother or whatever morons watch these days on there. There's good **** on TV, and there are good single-player experiences to be had if you look beyond the AAA shovelware.

That's impossible since I never said anything was ****. More like saying Big Brother resembles the real word since both are more or less filled with morons. I happen to like the so called "AAA shovelware" but doesn't mean it's the only ice cream flavour I like.

I will admit my comparison was a bit extreme, but the point still stands. Your initial post implied that singleplayer in general is a poor experience(may not have been your intention, but that was what was communicated, since comparing games to film is rarely used positively), based on attributes only found in some games.

Although now we're down to nitpicking, so not really worth arguing over.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: terran5992 on Sat, 26 October 2013, 07:57:04
Only single player game i play is AC or Far cry 3
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Sat, 26 October 2013, 10:07:00
I feel that one of the best single player experiences out there is Fallout 3.. it's just so immersive
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: proxy2gate on Sun, 27 October 2013, 04:27:04
I personally just cannot get enjoyment from singleplayer games. I love gaming because I love competition... it's like a drug for me! I just love the adrenaline rush I get from playing something like Starcraft... it's the ultimate challenge. You just can't that from a single player game.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 27 October 2013, 05:04:48
I personally just cannot get enjoyment from singleplayer games. I love gaming because I love competition... it's like a drug for me! I just love the adrenaline rush I get from playing something like Starcraft... it's the ultimate challenge. You just can't that from a single player game.

The AI is sometimes a bit inconsistent in single player games, plus balancing the difficulty across the whole game seems to be too much for some game makers.  Bits where it is ridiculously easy, and other bits that are stupidly difficult.

At least playing against other players the competition is fairly consistent.
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: proxy2gate on Sun, 27 October 2013, 05:54:15
I personally just cannot get enjoyment from singleplayer games. I love gaming because I love competition... it's like a drug for me! I just love the adrenaline rush I get from playing something like Starcraft... it's the ultimate challenge. You just can't that from a single player game.

The AI is sometimes a bit inconsistent in single player games, plus balancing the difficulty across the whole game seems to be too much for some game makers.  Bits where it is ridiculously easy, and other bits that are stupidly difficult.

At least playing against other players the competition is fairly consistent.

Even if the competition isn't, well, hard... it's still just as thrilling. Knowing you're against another player just makes it so much more rewarding when you win!
Title: Re: Do you guys still "PLAY" single player games?
Post by: mauri on Sun, 27 October 2013, 06:49:28
I personally just cannot get enjoyment from singleplayer games. I love gaming because I love competition... it's like a drug for me! I just love the adrenaline rush I get from playing something like Starcraft... it's the ultimate challenge. You just can't that from a single player game.

The AI is sometimes a bit inconsistent in single player games, plus balancing the difficulty across the whole game seems to be too much for some game makers.  Bits where it is ridiculously easy, and other bits that are stupidly difficult.

At least playing against other players the competition is fairly consistent.

Even if the competition isn't, well, hard... it's still just as thrilling. Knowing you're against another player just makes it so much more rewarding when you win!

I've always played team sports so naturally I'm competitive and like to play with a bunch of people however some games have such riveting plots, mechanics or graphics that I just must hog thru them in one sitting. Multiplayers satisfy my competitive craving however playing singleplayers can be as fulfilling as reading a book or watching a movie, no matter the difficulty.