forbiddenedwhat's wrong with razer mice?
Trackballs.
Kensington Expert Mouse.
Maybe Zowie will release a new mouse with nice internals and take the throne :thumb:
Logitech G5 and whatever is based on it. Best ergonomics for me and lasts forever. Though it does have a ****** scroll wheel.
Maybe Zowie will release a new mouse with nice internals and take the throne :thumb:
Maybe Zowie will release a new mouse with nice internals and take the throne :thumb:
Their current range is pretty damn awesome IMO.
best mouse for what use? G400 and 518 come to mind for FPS. There are some mice made for MMOS like the G600 and Naga. For general computing I'm probably gonna get a wireless mouse like the G602.
Maybe Zowie will release a new mouse with nice internals and take the throne :thumb:
Their current range is pretty damn awesome IMO.
Please don't forget to let me know, I'm not that cluey when it comes to the very LATEST of anything concerning mice around here. But I have to agree the Zowie range is quite nice compared to others out there.
I also found it really annoying that you have to have razer synapse updated in order for your mouse to properly work.
I also found it really annoying that you have to have razer synapse updated in order for your mouse to properly work.
That is the NUMBER ONE failure with Razer, pushing everyone to use their dodgey-arse synapse software. If you ever are forced to download and install a company's software because they insist.......time to step away and buy another mouse from a more reputable company, like Zowie, Roccat, Microsoft (go figure) and A4Tech.
The companies I just mentioned never tell you to use their software to attain complete control of your rodent (all the sensor adjustments). But it's there if required.
Just to get the facts straight here
A:
You don't need to keep Synapse up to date, after initial install you can set it to offline mode and it will stay that way. If you're talking about the 3.5G DA then you don't need Synapse at all, all the older drivers are still available.
B:
Most manufacturers require you to install software to actually configure your mouse. Yes, the DA is lacking in that there are no DPI buttons that let you cycle between preset dpi steps, but there are very few mice where you have any sort of control over the mouse settings beyond that without installing software.
And now for some personal opinion;
Also, A4Tech is, in my eyes, a half-decent knockoff company at best, and Microsoft haven't made any good mice since the IME 3.0, which is no longer made, and the build quality on that felt cheaper and looser than any other mouse I own.
Just to get the facts straight here
A:
You don't need to keep Synapse up to date, after initial install you can set it to offline mode and it will stay that way. If you're talking about the 3.5G DA then you don't need Synapse at all, all the older drivers are still available.
Razer doesn't use the full 6400dpi setting (within the DA2013 model) without their "dodgey-arse' Synapse Software, let's clear that up here first vun. Roccat has full use of all it's dpi settings, so does Zowie (without the need to have any software/drivers). I only mentioned Microsoft here because I will always refer to their Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 because it was (still is) their BEST ever manufactured rodent. Plus I still use it on another PC setup and love it to death :D .B:
Most manufacturers require you to install software to actually configure your mouse. Yes, the DA is lacking in that there are no DPI buttons that let you cycle between preset dpi steps, but there are very few mice where you have any sort of control over the mouse settings beyond that without installing software.
Some manufacturers are pushing for users to become more moronic when it comes to using their mice (the Razer-style) and persuade them to download software so that you could access extra features from their input devices. The mice I mentioned that I use and recommend for anyone/everyone to try are those still manufactured by Roccat, Zowie and Microsoft (IE 3.0) which is still sold on Ebay :thumb: .
Trackballs are great
Particularly this one.Show Image(http://industrialcomponent.com/images/cst2545w1.jpg)
Just to get the facts straight here
A:
You don't need to keep Synapse up to date, after initial install you can set it to offline mode and it will stay that way. If you're talking about the 3.5G DA then you don't need Synapse at all, all the older drivers are still available.
Razer doesn't use the full 6400dpi setting (within the DA2013 model) without their "dodgey-arse' Synapse Software, let's clear that up here first vun. Roccat has full use of all it's dpi settings, so does Zowie (without the need to have any software/drivers). I only mentioned Microsoft here because I will always refer to their Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 because it was (still is) their BEST ever manufactured rodent. Plus I still use it on another PC setup and love it to death :D .B:
Most manufacturers require you to install software to actually configure your mouse. Yes, the DA is lacking in that there are no DPI buttons that let you cycle between preset dpi steps, but there are very few mice where you have any sort of control over the mouse settings beyond that without installing software.
Some manufacturers are pushing for users to become more moronic when it comes to using their mice (the Razer-style) and persuade them to download software so that you could access extra features from their input devices. The mice I mentioned that I use and recommend for anyone/everyone to try are those still manufactured by Roccat, Zowie and Microsoft (IE 3.0) which is still sold on Ebay :thumb: .
I did say that the DA had no DPI buttons, but that's not a new thing, it's been that way for ages, although it's never been much of a problem. And Synapse isn't dodgy in any way. Yes, it does try to force the whole cloud-thing on you, but other than that it's actually a good piece of software. I wouldn't really dream of using any peripheral without drivers if there are any, although here is an area where the IME 3.0 falls short again; the software for it is terrible and adds pretty much nothing.
There's one thing that it's important to keep in mind; Razer's target market. They play games, if there are more than 3 buttons on the mouse the majority will want to be able to configure those buttons(although office workers would probably be happy with the default mouse4 and mouse5). There are those who prefer plug-and-play mice, but that's a rapidly shrinking group. Most people who buy gaming mice will want to be able to configure it exactly to their liking, and the usual 3 steps you get to switch between out of the box with the mice that have dpi buttons are usually miles apart, so if you want something in between you're sorta boned.
I can understand those who don't play games but buy gaming mice for other features not being too keen on installing software for it, but the product suiting their needs is a bonus at best, and something most manufacturers don't really care about.
Just to get the facts straight here
A:
You don't need to keep Synapse up to date, after initial install you can set it to offline mode and it will stay that way. If you're talking about the 3.5G DA then you don't need Synapse at all, all the older drivers are still available.
Razer doesn't use the full 6400dpi setting (within the DA2013 model) without their "dodgey-arse' Synapse Software, let's clear that up here first vun. Roccat has full use of all it's dpi settings, so does Zowie (without the need to have any software/drivers). I only mentioned Microsoft here because I will always refer to their Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 because it was (still is) their BEST ever manufactured rodent. Plus I still use it on another PC setup and love it to death :D .B:
Most manufacturers require you to install software to actually configure your mouse. Yes, the DA is lacking in that there are no DPI buttons that let you cycle between preset dpi steps, but there are very few mice where you have any sort of control over the mouse settings beyond that without installing software.
Some manufacturers are pushing for users to become more moronic when it comes to using their mice (the Razer-style) and persuade them to download software so that you could access extra features from their input devices. The mice I mentioned that I use and recommend for anyone/everyone to try are those still manufactured by Roccat, Zowie and Microsoft (IE 3.0) which is still sold on Ebay :thumb: .
I did say that the DA had no DPI buttons, but that's not a new thing, it's been that way for ages, although it's never been much of a problem. And Synapse isn't dodgy in any way. Yes, it does try to force the whole cloud-thing on you, but other than that it's actually a good piece of software. I wouldn't really dream of using any peripheral without drivers if there are any, although here is an area where the IME 3.0 falls short again; the software for it is terrible and adds pretty much nothing.
There's one thing that it's important to keep in mind; Razer's target market. They play games, if there are more than 3 buttons on the mouse the majority will want to be able to configure those buttons(although office workers would probably be happy with the default mouse4 and mouse5). There are those who prefer plug-and-play mice, but that's a rapidly shrinking group. Most people who buy gaming mice will want to be able to configure it exactly to their liking, and the usual 3 steps you get to switch between out of the box with the mice that have dpi buttons are usually miles apart, so if you want something in between you're sorta boned.
I can understand those who don't play games but buy gaming mice for other features not being too keen on installing software for it, but the product suiting their needs is a bonus at best, and something most manufacturers don't really care about.
World would be a much better place if they fired (and burned, if possible) those 2000s web monkeys that design and develop their "drivers"... and hired some ordinary developers with some common sense and basic knowledge of user interface design.
In particular, LGS is horrible. I fail to see how they managed to make that counter-intuitive, laggy, ugly piece of ****. On the other hand, I have to give at least some credit to Roccat for using hardware storage on their hardware and sort of supporting unofficial linux drivers (http://sourceforge.net/projects/roccat/).
I'm really enjoying my Steel Series Sensei Raw (Rubberized). Took some time to get it configured to how I like it on Mac OS X, but now I love it.
I'm really enjoying my Steel Series Sensei Raw (Rubberized). Took some time to get it configured to how I like it on Mac OS X, but now I love it.
Have you had the chance of using the current RIVAL mouse just yet? It seems to be the BEST SteelSeries model yet released. I love it's shape and the finish is quite good. The buttons are almost quiet when used.
First SteelSeries bought and am appreciating their effort with this mouse :thumb: .
While I'm not sold on the shape, I dislike the looks (looks cheap, but is in fact very well made) and the battery life could be better (adjusting polling and such does help), the best mouse I have used is a Logitech G700.
Works wired or wireless, no lag. Completely configurable. It uses a normal USB cable to charge and a standard AA battery, so if it is dead, you can just swap in whatever battery you have handy or use it corded while charging.
Put the guts of this into a Logitech Revolution MX and you would have near perfection.
The scroll wheel is the best I've ever used, no unwarranted scrolls, the notches have a great resistance that is strong but not too hard to overcome. The construction feels great and the design is nice and simple, all black, one LED, nothing too flashy. On board memory too, so no need to have the driver running all the time.
Currently Death Adder 2013, but all time? Probably IE 3.0
Currently Death Adder 2013, but all time? Probably IE 3.0
My Current mouse and previous mouse.
I want an updated V3.0 without the bad scroll wheel
There is one on the way, hinted to in this thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50380.0)
I recently traded in my Sensei pro for a R.A.T 9 - only because I wanted to give wireless a go.Wireless has come a long way, it's annoying when people still think wireless has a ton of lag like it used to. In case people forget, even consoles are using wireless controllers.
So far I am loving it, even though it looks more like a racing car than a mouse.
The added weight still makes them unusable for me (and many others) and using capacitors isn't something for the mass market.I recently traded in my Sensei pro for a R.A.T 9 - only because I wanted to give wireless a go.Wireless has come a long way, it's annoying when people still think wireless has a ton of lag like it used to. In case people forget, even consoles are using wireless controllers.
So far I am loving it, even though it looks more like a racing car than a mouse.
Once you lose the cord, it's hard to go back.
Show Image(http://www.starblueshop.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/0f396e8a55728e79b48334e699243c07/a/n/anker-vertical-ergonomic-optical-mouse-for-windows-and-mac-os-wired-usb-1000-dpi-5-buttons-black_10225_500.jpg)
The added weight still makes them unusable for me (and many others) and using capacitors isn't something for the mass market.That's personal preference, it's just like springs on your keyboard, eventually you adjust to it. Though I admit, the G700 is pretty darn heavy.
What's the best mouse
Imo it so the sensei
The word razer is forbiddened
Ofc it's preference.The added weight still makes them unusable for me (and many others) and using capacitors isn't something for the mass market.That's personal preference, it's just like springs on your keyboard, eventually you adjust to it. Though I admit, the G700 is pretty darn heavy.
To me, a lightweight mouse feels cheap, and getting rid of the cord makes it worthwhile.
kone pure optical is amazing, it just feels right in my hand ;D
kone pure optical is amazing, it just feels right in my hand ;D
Very nice surface coating, feels like superb quality compared to most other rodents being sold out there.
SS Senseii love the sensei to but i dont see why people hate the sensor
I wish I brought the other version. I have the silver one that's prone to paint chipping, it look horrible but works perfectly :thumb:
SS Senseii love the sensei to but i dont see why people hate the sensor
I wish I brought the other version. I have the silver one that's prone to paint chipping, it look horrible but works perfectly :thumb:
planing on trying the rival.
SS Senseii love the sensei to but i dont see why people hate the sensor
I wish I brought the other version. I have the silver one that's prone to paint chipping, it look horrible but works perfectly :thumb:
planing on trying the rival.
Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/313CDNQ2TNL.jpg)
My suspicion is the Logitech discontinued it because it lasts forever. >:(
There is one on the way, hinted to in this thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50380.0)
There is one on the way, hinted to in this thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50380.0)
ORLY? Which post? Maybe with their new CEO, Microsoft might get off their asses and bring back the IE 3.0, with a tighter scroll wheel and higher quality side buttons (hey, a guy can dream right).
Hell, if we're really dreaming, maybe they'll bring back the Trackball Explorer
So far my best mouse evar is the deathadder 3G (1800 DPI). Went through 3 Ms explorer 3.0s before the deathadder series came out. It was a natural progression.
The DA is plug and play at its lowest DPI setting which happens to be my preferred mode. It still works with the legacy offline software. Also there is a physical DPI button to change modes but it lies on the underside of the mouse.
I have a zowie ec1 evo cl on the way. Time to give the old DA a rest <3
So far my best mouse evar is the deathadder 3G (1800 DPI). Went through 3 Ms explorer 3.0s before the deathadder series came out. It was a natural progression.
The DA is plug and play at its lowest DPI setting which happens to be my preferred mode. It still works with the legacy offline software. Also there is a physical DPI button to change modes but it lies on the underside of the mouse.
I have a zowie ec1 evo cl on the way. Time to give the old DA a rest <3
Oh, come on, not a single mouse here has buckling springs! :))
On a more serious (though somewhat tangential) note, my Logitech Trackman Marble FX has been my "mouse" of choice for over a decade. It sits under my index finger and rolls so smoothly -- I love how it feels. The only thing I have to do is pop out the ball every couple of months and make sure the three rollers are clear (it takes five seconds).Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/313CDNQ2TNL.jpg)
My suspicion is the Logitech discontinued it because it lasts forever. >:(
Oh, come on, not a single mouse here has buckling springs! :))
On a more serious (though somewhat tangential) note, my Logitech Trackman Marble FX has been my "mouse" of choice for over a decade. It sits under my index finger and rolls so smoothly -- I love how it feels. The only thing I have to do is pop out the ball every couple of months and make sure the three rollers are clear (it takes five seconds).Show Image(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/313CDNQ2TNL.jpg)
My suspicion is the Logitech discontinued it because it lasts forever. >:(
Do you know if there is something similar available in the market now? Also, any experience with this regarding carpal tunnel syndrome?
Mine just arrived this morning. It is truly a thing of beauty. While I don't think that it's as far of an improvement over the DA as Elrick does, it definitely feels superior. Absolutely totally LOVE the lack of drivers. All hardware. New favorite mouse by a wide margin.
Mine just arrived this morning. It is truly a thing of beauty. While I don't think that it's as far of an improvement over the DA as Elrick does, it definitely feels superior. Absolutely totally LOVE the lack of drivers. All hardware. New favorite mouse by a wide margin.
Good man.
Nice thorough write up. Be nice to get a few pics to go along with it though!
What's the best mouseRoccat None pure colour. I have it, I love and I would reccomend it to anyone for the price that I got it for of £39.99
Imo it so the sensei
The word razer is forbiddened