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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: digi on Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:27:32
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Looking at the Alt & Ctrl on the right-hand side of my keyboard and just realized that I don't think I've ever even pressed them down. Similar to Scroll Lock. hah
When is the last time you used your right-handed side Alt & Ctrl and what was it for? :eek:
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When eating food. When I don't have access to a hand and need to do something like ctrl+l (I have no idea what ctrl l does)
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Actually, same, when i'm one handed on my phone or eating or drinking (etc.), i'll have to fn+spacebar one handed (to get off arrow cluster mode) and then use right shift, right alt and right ctrl with whatever i wnat one handed. it's funny too...whenever I have to do that, I always think "oh wow i'm actually using my right shift...."
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Looking at the Alt & Ctrl on the right-hand side of my keyboard and just realized that I don't think I've ever even pressed them down. Similar to Scroll Lock. hah
When is the last time you used your right-handed side Alt & Ctrl and what was it for? :eek:
All the time on my Pure but only because I have them permanently in arrow mode. Otherwise they only really get used when I'm on my Filco and I want to do Windows + Shift + Left/Right.
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Around 1997 when I had my left hand broken...
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Never
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Can't remember the last time, pretty sure I have never used my right ctrl at all xD
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Never. I'd create a PCB without such keys on the right side if I were more technically inclined.
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hehe, I never use those keys. That's why I always put my Fn keys over there.
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Right Alt is the key to switch between English and Hangul, Right Ctrl when mapping location hotkeys (Ctrl + F5) in StarCraft
Seems like I'm the only one who uses them every day for practical reasons.
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Freakin'.. I don't.... I don't think, like, ever. I don't think I've ever in my natural life used them both together before.
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Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.
R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.
R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is). Similar for Excel.
Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.
Also R-Ctrl + Enter to send email in Thunderbird.
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Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.
R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.
R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is). Similar for Excel.
Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.
Actually that's one thing that drives me nuts on my Pure, I always try and do Shift + Enter to do a line break on Facebook and it winds up sending the message. So annoying.
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I don't have a right Ctrl. HHKB master race.
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Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.
R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.
R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is). Similar for Excel.
Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.
Also R-Ctrl + Enter to send email in Thunderbird.
Some good shortcuts in there but doesn't Home and End also take you to the bottom and top of a doc?
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A couple seconds ago, on my laptop, when I was opening new tabs by Control/clicking.
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Every day - Ctrl-Home and Ctrl-End to do beginning/end of file.
R-Alt to get Alt sequences for most of the letters on the right side of the keyboard, typically IKMOLP.
R-Ctrl or R-Alt + Enter to insert hard line break (in Word, I can never remember which it is). Similar for Excel.
Ctrl-left and right arrows for word by word navigation.
Also R-Ctrl + Enter to send email in Thunderbird.
Some good shortcuts in there but doesn't Home and End also take you to the bottom and top of a doc?
Nope, Home and End by themselves is just start/end of the current line.
Also Ctrl-PgUp and Ctrl-PgDown to change tabs in Excel and some editors (that do not use Ctrl-Tab).
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oh maybe I'm thinking about in a web browser then, good to know.
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All the time. Ctrl: Ins, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, arrows, Enter. And of course Ctrl-Alt-Del. Right Alt becomes AltGr for the US International keyboard layout, need it to get to some chars like ©, ®, µ, €, etc. :P
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All the time. Ctrl: Ins, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, arrows, Enter. And of course Ctrl-Alt-Del. Right Alt becomes AltGr for the US International keyboard layout, need it to get to some chars like ©, ®, µ, €, etc. :P
Yea, now that I think about it, I think I've done a few right handed Ctrl-Alt-Del's, hah.
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about a day or 2 ago was the last time I used them. My key layout moves things like cut/copy/paste to the right side of the board, but I recently got aboard with macro keys so most of the modifier combos got put onto those.
Now only alt+enter and ctrl/alt+printscrn/insert/pagup-down/etc are still on the right and I rarely need those.
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Oh crappy! That's right!! Alt+Enter for fullscreen! See, I use it more than I know it.
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I use them every day when i play starcraft2. I use the right side of the keyboard so i can use my thumb for the mods(alt, ctrl, and shift) and my other four fingers for everything else.
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I also use them everyday. Ctrl+P, Ctrl+O, Ctrl+U, Ctrl+N, Alt+Numpad for passwords for important accounts.
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I use right alt for the compose key. No right control on the HHKB but when I did have one I hardly used it.
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NEVER... My right modifiers were the first keys to be replaced when I adopted my custom layout "when " I was still using the staggered qwerty boards...
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A couple seconds ago, on my laptop, when I was opening new tabs by Control/clicking.
Try Middle-clicking :))
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Yea only when I'm eating or on the phone or something
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Using Right Ctrl for Ctrl+L is extremely useful for me when browsing. I miss it when I use my HHKB.
Right Alt is probably more important for non-North American folks for AltGr. For me on the other hand, I re-program (or when I can't, registry re-map) it to Caps Lock, and have Caps Lock be Left Ctrl.
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Pretty much never, but I keep planning on doing something useful with them eventually...
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mainly on my laptop.
i remap right alt to ctrl.
press right 'alt' + l to focus on browser address bar
usually have something greasy in my left hand. Only do this for casual web browsing, when doing real work, never at all.
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Every day at work. On Finnish / Swedish boards you use right Alt (AltGr) for all these chars: {} [] \ ~ $ | which are quite common in coding.
I only have one Ctrl and one Alt key on my home keyboard (right hand thumb keys) ;)
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All the time, I press Ctrl-Alt-L whenever I leave my computer to lock it. I almost always use the ones on the right.
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The day that I got a new keyboard, just check for the key. And never use it again
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My right alt is my windows key, so I use it all the time. Other than that, I would never use either of them.
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Only if my left hand is busy doing... whatever it might be doing.
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I honestly don't know that I pay that much attention. I'll try to think about it and see if I use them.
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When I do have a right Ctrl, I use it. Ctrl+T, Ctrl+Shift+T, Ctrl+K, Ctrl+L. It does kind of suck to have to use two hands all the time. Maybe I should remap right Alt to Ctrl. I never use that thing.
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Everyday, repping alt gr
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Don't have Alt Gr on my US keyboard, never even learned how to use it.
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I am with rowdy, I use them daily, many times a day for the same reasons. I think it would feel weird to not use them one day which is one reason I am hesitating buying a HHKB!
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A couple seconds ago, on my laptop, when I was opening new tabs by Control/clicking.
Try Middle-clicking :))
I do on my desktop.
My Laptop is one of those HPs with the ****ty "multitouch" trackpads that doesn't detect a right-click half the time, and I don't feel like carrying around a mouse.
I also use it to change tabs, both on my laptop and my desktop.
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Everyday at work when I need to arrow key around on my poker. Never as actual Ctr,Alt, etc.
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right alt: thirty seconds ago.
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In ISO layouts, right Alt is not the same as left Alt but Alt Graph which is used for symbols. When I write programs, I use it all the time to get brackets, braces, backslash and vertical bar.
The last time I used it when programming was mere seconds ago.
I use right Ctrl sometimes with the cursor (arrow) keys. In that case, I press right Ctrl with my thumb!
I think that I use left Ctrl for this purpose just as often, and I think that I could retrain to not use right Ctrl at all.
In a lot of editors (including the one in Chromium right now):
Ctrl-left/right: word left/right
Ctrl-home/end: beginning or end of document
Some programming editors use Ctrl-up/down or Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn to jump between functions.
Others map Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn to Home/End for use with e.g. compact keyboards that don't have those keys.
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Right Alt ~ AltGr... I use that all the time when typing in Czech.
I've been using right Control since I started to experience Emacs pinkies.
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We were running unit tests in Eclipse today, Ctrl-F11 using the right Ctrl. All three of us were doing it the same.
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When is the last time you used your right-handed side Alt & Ctrl and what was it for?
I don't even have a CTRL key on the right side of my keyboard (HHKB Pro 2) :o
But I use "right alt" (by "right alt" I mean: "the key directly at the right of the space bar") as an additional modifier. And that additional modifier is only used for shortcuts related to my window manager ("Awesome WM", a tiling window manager which I use on Linux). So it's nice because the window manager shortcuts never clash with any app...
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when my alt and ctrl keys went out on my QFR
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Yesterday I actually noticed I was using my right ctrl for ctrl+p. I use right alt (alt gr) for the € sign. I think that's about it.
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When playing Arma 2 and Arma 3.
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Use mine fairly often tbh.. opening new windows or when im not using my mouse... it can be easier to use the right ctrl...
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Using Right Ctrl for Ctrl+L is extremely useful for me when browsing. I miss it when I use my HHKB.
Right Alt is probably more important for non-North American folks for AltGr. For me on the other hand, I re-program (or when I can't, registry re-map) it to Caps Lock, and have Caps Lock be Left Ctrl.
i remap right alt to ctrl.
press right 'alt' + l to focus on browser address bar
Ctrl+L to go to the address bar? Alt+D does the same thing (at least in windows).
Added benefit, it does the same thing in a windows explorer window so you only have to remember the one shortcut.
All the shortcuts that everyone uses with the right modifiers, I just use the left modifiers and two hands. I don't find that I'm doing anything that requires those type of shortcuts unless I'm pretty into what I'm doing (Coding, Word, Excel, Photo Editing, etc) and in those cases both my hands are right there anyway because I'm working. Plus, I'm left handed and using my right hand for those tasks feels completely unnatural. I'd prefer if every keyboard removed them and stuck dedicated arrow keys there. I'd actually use those.
I know of one program that I use that by defaults uses the Right Ctrl, VirtualBox. It uses it to exit from the auto capture keyboard/mouse. However, you can change it in the preferences. Out of pure laziness I haven't changed it and every time I have to exit from VirtualBox back to my Desktop it takes me like 15 seconds to think about what I'm about to do and it feels "yucky" doing it.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Why not just use the left Ctrl key? Will the purest come beat me up, because I do it all the time. Left pinky on Ctrl and whatever finger I want on z/x/c/v.
I don't think there is anything that says what you are "suppose" to do. They both accomplish the same task because, well, they're the same key.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Technically if touch typing you would press right Ctrl with your right pinky and C with left index finger.
Although I just tried, and right Ctrl is a little too far away to comfortably reach without leaving the home keys.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Technically if touch typing you would press right Ctrl with your right pinky and C with left index finger.
Although I just tried, and right Ctrl is a little too far away to comfortably reach without leaving the home keys.
Yeah, I only learned to touch type within the last 2 months. I figured that was the proper way so I have been trying to do it like that. It feels better when you just use your left hand because of the significant difference in distance between the ctrl and home row with each hand.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Technically if touch typing you would press right Ctrl with your right pinky and C with left index finger.
Although I just tried, and right Ctrl is a little too far away to comfortably reach without leaving the home keys.
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Right control is MILES away from my pinky. [I'm training to be a better touch typist.]
In every situation it's faster and much more comfortable for me to use my left ctrl key.
Am I a failure?
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my left control is right to the left of my left pinky, as it's mapped to caps lock.
my right control is right below my right pinky, as it's mapped to right winkey.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Technically if touch typing you would press right Ctrl with your right pinky and C with left index finger.
Although I just tried, and right Ctrl is a little too far away to comfortably reach without leaving the home keys.
^+post below that one
Right control is MILES away from my pinky. [I'm training to be a better touch typist.]
In every situation it's faster and much more comfortable for me to use my left ctrl key.
Am I a failure?
Nope. I have fairly large hands. Moving my right index finger from J to K and I can just about hit Ctrl with my right pinky. But I don't touch type much.
my left control is right to the left of my left pinky, as it's mapped to caps lock.
my right control is right below my right pinky, as it's mapped to right winkey.
On the keyboard I'm using now, there is one Ctrl where Caps Lock would be on a conventional layout.
This HHKB roxors :)
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Except if im using Ctrl+C/x/v my right hand is on my mouse.
Granted since I use dvorak, i use my left hand to do Right CTRL+C/V since those two are a hell of a stretch if you try to use left Ctrl. (dvorak C is where QWERTY I is Dvorak V is QWERTY comma or whatever next no shift is)
thank god for macro keys.
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Are you not supposed to use the right control when the second key in the combo you hit is with your left hand?
For example Ctrl+C.
Why not just use the left Ctrl key? Will the purest come beat me up, because I do it all the time. Left pinky on Ctrl and whatever finger I want on z/x/c/v.
I don't think there is anything that says what you are "suppose" to do. They both accomplish the same task because, well, they're the same key.
Pinkie strain. Been there, done that. Now I press Ctrl with my palm or try to use both.
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Only when one handed for some reason
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it confuses me a bit that so many people here don't put their left control to where it should be.
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Ctrl + 0 or 9 when playing sc2
or when i ctrl alt del
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Yep, I just remapped Right Alt to Ctrl on my HHKB, and now it will see more use.
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Pinkie strain. Been there, done that. Now I press Ctrl with my palm or try to use both.
Heard that argument before and I feel it's a lame reason. People must have very weak pinkies. I've been using my left pinky for everything for over 20 years, never a single moment of "strain". Certainly no more then any of my other fingers. It's not like I'm constantly hitting CTRL or ALT anyway. My left pinky gets a lot of use for Left Shift. If people honestly complain about this I feel they should be forced to go back to writing everything with pen and paper and see how much "strain" they endure. Just my opinion.
The other arguments I've read is that it takes them off home row, which I don't get either. I'm not the fastest typist in the world but I can consistently type 100WPM on a crappy laptop keyboard with my "non conventional" style.
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Pinkie strain. Been there, done that. Now I press Ctrl with my palm or try to use both.
Heard that argument before and I feel it's a lame reason. People must have very weak pinkies. I've been using my left pinky for everything for over 20 years, never a single moment of "strain". Certainly no more then any of my other fingers. It's not like I'm constantly hitting CTRL or ALT anyway. My left pinky gets a lot of use for Left Shift. If people honestly complain about this I feel they should be forced to go back to writing everything with pen and paper and see how much "strain" they endure. Just my opinion.
The other arguments I've read is that it takes them off home row, which I don't get either. I'm not the fastest typist in the world but I can consistently type 100WPM on a crappy laptop keyboard with my "non conventional" style.
Celebrity Programers with RSI (http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/emacs_hand_pain_celebrity.html)
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Replace Caps Lock with Control. Places it on home row and reduces pinkie strain...
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Replace Caps Lock with Control. Places it on home row and reduces pinkie strain...
Still pressed by pinkie though. And asymmetrical. And the key can't be used for backspace or escape then.
On the other hand, it's wonderful for RTS gaming on "standard" physical layout. Reassigning groups in SC or AoE2 works like a charm.
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It finally happened! I used Ctrl on the right side of my keyboard playing Arkham Origins, because Warner Brothers or whatever can't make their ****ing menus correctly.
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I have Control+Alt+W as my shortcut to Word, so I often press them and do "W" with the left.
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I almost never do. Maybe sometimes ctrl+arrow keys to skip around words. But I do that equally with the left ctrl as well.
On a related note - who hits the spacebar with both their left and right thumbs?
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I've never done that. Always the right thumb. It seems like it might have been a useful habit to pick up but now I don't think I could change it to save my life. Besides, when I try to use both thumbs, I can't really feel any difference in which would be the best one to use.
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unrelated stuff
What sort of keyboard, layout and technique did you use to get 255wpm!? Some sort of hkbhaaulmkj x76m with a asjoid layout and a line of cocaine? Can you post a video or something, because I'l love to have a look at that typing.
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Nah, I'm just screwing around. Edited the image URL until I found the highest score they have a premade image for. It's a joke to have in my sig for a while plus maybe some demonstration that these aren't always to be trusted. It links to my actual results there, though.
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I realized I always use control on the right in photoshop, so I had to remap the right alt to control on my hhkb!
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Nah, I'm just screwing around. Edited the image URL until I found the highest score they have a premade image for. It's a joke to have in my sig for a while plus maybe some demonstration that these aren't always to be trusted. It links to my actual results there, though.
omg che3tid z0mgs
You still have a high WPM, though.
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I've never done that. Always the right thumb. It seems like it might have been a useful habit to pick up but now I don't think I could change it to save my life. Besides, when I try to use both thumbs, I can't really feel any difference in which would be the best one to use.
It's always the left thumb for me. And for the life of me, I also wouldn't be able to change.
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I think if I could hit ctrl/alt/other function keys with my left thumb without moving off the home row, I could see them being more useful. It's honestly just an awkward reach to hit the right alt/ctrl for me personally. I think some of the Japanese keyboard layouts have a good idea idea in that you don't need a large spacebar.