Even if scratched that's a pretty good price lately.
scratched, asking for 160 usd+shipping each.
shipping is 30 to 40, depends on your location.
1 left.
Order list:
Sleepy916
Iamahab
(sadbox)
6019284(a.k.a. kishsaver)
http://kishy.dyndns.org/?attachment_id=943
any interest?
can get around 20.
6019273
http://kishy.dyndns.org/?p=977#more-977
can get around 20.
As I'm a "quite reasonable" guy, I will sell kishsaver for 485 USD and 6019273 for 300 USD.
blame me for profiteering.
Ouch!
I really want a Kishysaver, but OUCH.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pwg9kid.gif)
I'm still very interested in getting one.
Man, tin. Y U such profit?becuse me is dik
Man, tin. Y U such profit?becuse me is dik
So Tin how long can you live on ~$16,000?
OK, I'm on the list. How is it gonna be arranged? Do we wait for an invoice, or will you send out a mass mail with your paypal address on it?you're from SG, right?
What is the easiest way to convert the kishaver connector to PS2/USB?
Does it work with modern PC?
Do you have a rough estimate for what shipping would be like for US buyers?give me a break!!! PLEASE! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR!
Add me on sir, I tried to resist but failed
Do you have a rough estimate for what shipping would be like for US buyers?give me a break!!! PLEASE! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR!
Not trying to be rude, but...butt...buttt...I'm just too busy to reply pms and have no time to check the postage.Do you have a rough estimate for what shipping would be like for US buyers?give me a break!!! PLEASE! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR!
Well it's not like I have money falling from trees--for all I know it could be $50+. It's a legitimate question. But it's fine, I'm sticking with as few keyboards as possible now.
Do you have a rough estimate for what shipping would be like for US buyers?give me a break!!! PLEASE! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR! RAWR!
Well it's not like I have money falling from trees--for all I know it could be $50+. It's a legitimate question. But it's fine, I'm sticking with as few keyboards as possible now.
So what's the deal with these? forgive my ignorance. Briefly looking around, it looks like they're rare, compact BS?
I thought shipping would be closer to the game board flat rate boxes but what boxes might fit for less jdcarpe/BroCaps?
For a 60%, I'm pretty sure you can fit it in a Medium Flat Rate Box.
For a 60%, I'm pretty sure you can fit it in a Medium Flat Rate Box.
Doubtful. This is almost the size of an SSK. While the layout is 60%, the case is definitely not. Also the height of it might also be taller than expected.
Hm, is it $15 through Stamps.com? I usually just go to the branch office and it costs $16.85. Regardless, its about $15. Just curious.
Thought you meant like a medium flat rate or something. Thanks for the clarification, Brocaps.
Mk, well I'll double check the size and order boxes accordingly for the US shipment everyone. Most likely it'll be Game Board Flat Rate boxes unless someone knows a better solution. Sound good?
The problem with the large flat rate will be packaging. There will be a LOT of space to move around. But then, as DV said, it's a metal case. Not like a F-122 which will break. But do we want to risk much chance?
The problem with the large flat rate will be packaging. There will be a LOT of space to move around. But then, as DV said, it's a metal case. Not like a F-122 which will break. But do we want to risk much chance?
Well, honestly, I think the flat rate box is the easiest option by far, and it should be easy for you. I'm just saying shipping costs will be more because you'll need to get paper to stuff in the boxes. Not bubble wrap.
Uh this got out of hand fast @.@. Didn't realize how many people would want this and I signed on as proxy, thinking it'd be less than 10 boards. Oh well, happy to help :D. Just realize this will be my first big shipping project thing everyone.
Tin are you going to invoice all of us? How is the shipping from me to you going to work?
I thought shipping would be closer to the game board flat rate boxes but what boxes might fit for less jdcarpe/BroCaps?
paid
How is shipping from you to me going to work Tinlong? Are you going invoice everyone for shipping when you figure that out?
Figured I'd pop in here, since I did on DT:
Good job for finding these and making them accessible. They are exceptionally difficult to find, I suspect because the industry that used them (banking/finance) has strict IT regulations for destroying old equipment...would be my guess anyway, combined with the fact the system was for such a niche market.
The Kishsaver, so-named by a small group in IRC 2-3 years ago when I co-introduced this keyboard with dw_junon, has 3 sibling keyboards, one smaller, and two larger. Details are on my website which is exceptionally slow due to excess visitors currently (it's hosted on a 0.5Mb/s connection! note that I only just installed the pageview counter so it is deceptively low).
dw, I might add, deserves full credit for me even knowing what these are, and for encouraging me to buy one sight-unseen to confirm that such a thing actually existed.
These keyboards are NOT CURRENTLY USABLE WITH ANYTHING except an IBM 4704, and I am most likely the only person under 25 years old who owns one...most certainly the only person on GH. There are conversion projects but it is important for people to realize you cannot use this for anything currently and it will be a while before you can. Conversion will most likely be successful through controller replacement; a plug-in solution is extremely unlikely because of how basic the protocol is (well, that was the news last time I actively discussed it with the parties attempting conversion, anyway). You will very likely require soldering abilities and they will very likely need to be more advanced than assembling a Teensy converter, if only slightly more advanced.
I encourage everyone who has bought or is buying one to read the page I wrote on my website about the 4700 system as it'll give you some context for the keyboards. After all, history is interesting too, isn't it?
Figured I'd pop in here, since I did on DT:
Good job for finding these and making them accessible. They are exceptionally difficult to find, I suspect because the industry that used them (banking/finance) has strict IT regulations for destroying old equipment...would be my guess anyway, combined with the fact the system was for such a niche market.
The Kishsaver, so-named by a small group in IRC 2-3 years ago when I co-introduced this keyboard with dw_junon, has 3 sibling keyboards, one smaller, and two larger. Details are on my website which is exceptionally slow due to excess visitors currently (it's hosted on a 0.5Mb/s connection! note that I only just installed the pageview counter so it is deceptively low).
dw, I might add, deserves full credit for me even knowing what these are, and for encouraging me to buy one sight-unseen to confirm that such a thing actually existed.
These keyboards are NOT CURRENTLY USABLE WITH ANYTHING except an IBM 4704, and I am most likely the only person under 25 years old who owns one...most certainly the only person on GH. There are conversion projects but it is important for people to realize you cannot use this for anything currently and it will be a while before you can. Conversion will most likely be successful through controller replacement; a plug-in solution is extremely unlikely because of how basic the protocol is (well, that was the news last time I actively discussed it with the parties attempting conversion, anyway). You will very likely require soldering abilities and they will very likely need to be more advanced than assembling a Teensy converter, if only slightly more advanced.
I encourage everyone who has bought or is buying one to read the page I wrote on my website about the 4700 system as it'll give you some context for the keyboards. After all, history is interesting too, isn't it?
Thank you, Kishy
Would you mind posting dimensions of the kishsaver: width, depth, and height at the tallest point?
Guys, my source got 12 ssks.If any are damaged I might be interested in one.
Thank you, Kishy
Would you mind posting dimensions of the kishsaver: width, depth, and height at the tallest point?
I'm at work currently but I can get both the 62 and 50 key dimensions when I'm home.
I didn't here anything about this and I'm the proxy...be nice to get some updates.
I didn't here anything about this and I'm the proxy...be nice to get some updates.
I didn't here anything about this and I'm the proxy...be nice to get some updates.
You've been replaced obv. You're much too new to handle proxing.
I didn't here anything about this and I'm the proxy...be nice to get some updates.
You've been replaced obv. You're much too new to handle proxing.
proxying
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I didn't here anything about this and I'm the proxy...be nice to get some updates.
You've been replaced obv. You're much too new to handle proxing.
proxying
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Got my paypal account locked. :|
I have two packages in my apartment and one coming tomorrow snoopy. Some quick thoughts as I sort through these.
- One box was wrapped better than the other
- The poorly wrapped box has kishsavers missing keycaps
- The oldest one I saw so far was one made in '83
- One has a sticker on the back from the "Pentagon Federal Credit Union"
- Most of them have their labels still
- They were made in Armock, NY
Pictures coming soon. I want to give all the boards a once over.
PicturesThose... are very, very exciting :D
What will happen to the broken ones?Ditto, is there some mechanism for deciding who gets what?
What will happen to the broken ones?
What will happen to the broken ones?Ditto, is there some mechanism for deciding who gets what?
Just the one I took a picture of and another one that has a loose....something and a broken barrel plate.
Just paid my shipping invoice.
I'm not on the list
I'm not on the list
This and no invoice either.
Just throwing this out there: the cable matters to me.
Oh crap I meant to post an update in the Kishsaver thread. I was AFK for a little while. Last I checked I placed an order for boxes at USPS. They said it was "processing". I'm not sure what that meant. Hoping to have boxes at the PO this week. If they don't have them waiting for me, I might buy separate non-flat rate boxes or stuff them in medium flat rate boxes. I want to send these out this coming weekend. Next weekend at the latest.
For the time being, they've all been looked over and I went through the boards that had weird sliding noises and fixed the clips. I took pictures of those in the sale thread. There's only one egregious board and tinlong said he wanted to auction/sell that at a later point.
Sorry for the wait and lack of updates :(. Please let me know if you have anymore questions. I'll post the same info in the Kishsaver thread soon.
I sent this to BroCaps and I thought i'd post this here just so people in CONUS/Canada know what's going on on my end. I was AFK from Thanksgiving until today.QuoteOh crap I meant to post an update in the Kishsaver thread. I was AFK for a little while. Last I checked I placed an order for boxes at USPS. They said it was "processing". I'm not sure what that meant. Hoping to have boxes at the PO this week. If they don't have them waiting for me, I might buy separate non-flat rate boxes or stuff them in medium flat rate boxes. I want to send these out this coming weekend. Next weekend at the latest.
For the time being, they've all been looked over and I went through the boards that had weird sliding noises and fixed the clips. I took pictures of those in the sale thread. There's only one egregious board and tinlong said he wanted to auction/sell that at a later point.
Sorry for the wait and lack of updates :(. Please let me know if you have anymore questions. I'll post the same info in the Kishsaver thread soon.
By next weekend, I mean 12/14-12/15.
I assume you haven't received the 50-keys yet?
I assume you haven't received the 50-keys yet?
No, I'm still waiting on those. Last I heard tinlong hadn't sent them out and he's been busy according the earlier posts. If you want I can send your 50key separate from your 62key or wait until they both show up. I'll be waiting to send both the 50key and 62key for lcs at the same time.
Gotcha, just curious mostly. If it's possible I'd prefer they be shipped separately. Let me know if that costs more.
Thanks for the update and all your work.
Ouch!
I really want a Kishysaver, but OUCH.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pwg9kid.gif)
I'm still very interested in getting one.
So I have a bit of an issue guys. Remember how I said this was my first time proxying things? It's showing now. I looked at the rates and they show the following for the regional rate boxes. I thought it was going to be a flat rate and I was wrong. If you search for regional rate boxes (http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm) you'll see the range of prices. And this shows the zones from my zipcode (http://postcalc.usps.gov/Zonecharts/ZoneChartPrintable.aspx?zipcode=452).
Obviously I'm not wanting to charge $40 for shipping by USPS. So now we have two solutions:
1) Pack them in a medium USPS flat rate box. Cost of shipping will be ~$12 plus $1 for packing supplies. It's a tight fight and I can't get too much packaging in there. Bubble wrap and box. I wanted to do bubble wrap + paper + box.
2) Pack them in a game board flate rate box. Cost of shippnig will be ~$17 plus $1 for packing supplies. It will be HUGE and I'll have to stuff tons of papers into each box.
I'm leaning towards the medium flat rate boxes. Any objections or other ideas? I don't want to get a normal box and try it shipping like that since the boards are really heavy. I think the USPS flat rates will benefit us here. If I don't get another idea or better solution by Monday, I'm going to get some medium flat rate boxes.
I apologize in advance for getting anyone stressed over this.
1) Pack them in a medium USPS flat rate box. Cost of shipping will be ~$12 plus $1 for packing supplies. It's a tight fight and I can't get too much packaging in there. Bubble wrap and box. I wanted to do bubble wrap + paper + box.I'd lean toward the medium flat rate box too but if packed like jdcarpe suggests I'd be fine with that too. I do not think the game boxes are normal in stock at the local post offices. Don't fret.
2) Pack them in a game board flate rate box. Cost of shippnig will be ~$17 plus $1 for packing supplies. It will be HUGE and I'll have to stuff tons of papers into each box.
I'm leaning towards the medium flat rate boxes. Any objections or other ideas? I don't want to get a normal box and try it shipping like that since the boards are really heavy. I think the USPS flat rates will benefit us here. If I don't get another idea or better solution by Monday, I'm going to get some medium flat rate boxes.
I apologize in advance for getting anyone stressed over this.
So I have a bit of an issue guys. Remember how I said this was my first time proxying things? It's showing now. I looked at the rates and they show the following for the regional rate boxes. I thought it was going to be a flat rate and I was wrong. If you search for regional rate boxes (http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm) you'll see the range of prices. And this shows the zones from my zipcode (http://postcalc.usps.gov/Zonecharts/ZoneChartPrintable.aspx?zipcode=452).
Obviously I'm not wanting to charge $40 for shipping by USPS. So now we have two solutions:
1) Pack them in a medium USPS flat rate box. Cost of shipping will be ~$12 plus $1 for packing supplies. It's a tight fight and I can't get too much packaging in there. Bubble wrap and box. I wanted to do bubble wrap + paper + box.
2) Pack them in a game board flate rate box. Cost of shippnig will be ~$17 plus $1 for packing supplies. It will be HUGE and I'll have to stuff tons of papers into each box.
I'm leaning towards the medium flat rate boxes. Any objections or other ideas? I don't want to get a normal box and try it shipping like that since the boards are really heavy. I think the USPS flat rates will benefit us here. If I don't get another idea or better solution by Monday, I'm going to get some medium flat rate boxes.
I apologize in advance for getting anyone stressed over this.
My personal opinion, and how I would prefer you ship mine if given the choice, would be to use the USPS Large Flat Rate (Board Game) box. Just wrap the keyboard in a couple layers of the large bubble wrap, and fill the rest of the box with newspaper. That's how I always ship large keyboards. For newspapers, just go grab a stack of those free classified ads (Thrifty Nickel, Penny Saver, etc.).
Is it a regional C type box? If it is I would prefer the whatever you think is best.
If it's a regional B type box, I think that would be fine for me.
Is it a regional C type box? If it is I would prefer the whatever you think is best.
If it's a regional B type box, I think that would be fine for me.
Yes it's a regional C type box. I don't want to ship it because I'm getting quotes for some locations at $40 which is crazy.
Can you show picks of what it looks like to have a lush in a medium flat rate? Thanks again for all your work dude.
Yeah... Best wait for the game boxes... Thanks again.
2 KISHSHAVERS ARE UP FOR GRABS.
Yeah... Best wait for the game boxes... Thanks again.
If we're waiting, there is a strong possibility these won't ship until after Christmas. I'm not sure if they have 25 game board boxes at the PO. I know they have a few at mine but not all of them.
2 KISHSHAVERS ARE UP FOR GRABS.Dibs! Can I dibs one? If so, DIBS!
2 KISHSHAVERS ARE UP FOR GRABS.Dibs! Can I dibs one? If so, DIBS!
(yes. That means I want one. If I'm posting out of turn, sorry. I'm just excited)
I want one badly :'(I've found one listed out of my price range. It is the only one I've seen on the entirety of the internet and it's on a pretty shady website. I've called them, sent them e-mails regarding a price drop or any information on it, but they have not responded in any way. They also don't accept PayPal which makes me cautious to give them money.
I have sat online for hours searching the web for them to no avail.
All websites I have contacted for quotes respond saying there is no stock.I want one badly :'(I've found one listed out of my price range. It is the only one I've seen on the entirety of the internet and it's on a pretty shady website. I've called them, sent them e-mails regarding a price drop or any information on it, but they have not responded in any way. They also don't accept PayPal which makes me cautious to give them money.
I have sat online for hours searching the web for them to no avail.
This one specifically lists having a single one in stock. It could be incorrect, but it's more promising than "request a price"All websites I have contacted for quotes respond saying there is no stock.I want one badly :'(I've found one listed out of my price range. It is the only one I've seen on the entirety of the internet and it's on a pretty shady website. I've called them, sent them e-mails regarding a price drop or any information on it, but they have not responded in any way. They also don't accept PayPal which makes me cautious to give them money.
I have sat online for hours searching the web for them to no avail.
Fk if this was international....
Ya im thinking about it, it would cost alot of shipping tho
Jag älskar dig.
Jag älskar dig.Such language
This thought just occurred to me.
Not sure if it was made clear or if people fully understood but I'm going to put this out there again. There were a few boards with missing keycaps but I've harvested some caps to make them right. There are currently 2 boards with missing keycaps: 1 that has a missing left shift and 1 with a missing spacebar. An M122 will have the proper left shift. The missing spacebar might be trickier. Might have to custom bend wire or something.
Does anyone have an extra set of Model M122 and maybe F caps who doesn't mind getting this boards? Otherwise, you'll have to ask tinlong for the best course of action.
This thought just occurred to me.
Not sure if it was made clear or if people fully understood but I'm going to put this out there again. There were a few boards with missing keycaps but I've harvested some caps to make them right. There is currentlyonetwo boards: one that has a missing left shift and one with a missing spacebar. An M122 will have the proper left shift. The missing spacebar might be trickier. Might have to custom bend wire or something.
Does anyone have an extra set of Model M122 and maybe F caps who doesn't mind getting this boards? Otherwise, you'll have to ask tinlong for the best course of action.
I assume this is for the already claimed boards, not the ones being auctioned?
The spacebar problem could be fixed with the stabilizer mod to allow for a Model M spacebar stabilizer. I've made an M-F spacebar converter. So far it's doing good, but I haven't gotten it perfect yet. Once I perfect it, I might be able to distribute it to the people who need F-compatible spacebars.
There are twenty five boards in my possession. 1 is dented and that is being auctioned. 2 of the remaining 24 have missing space bars. One is missing a space bar. One is missing a left shift.But Tinlong mentioned a second extra. I assume that will be auctioned as well. So is the one with the missing spacebar going up for auction as well (or will it be another, or is that not known yet)?
There are twenty five boards in my possession. 1 is dented and that is being auctioned. 2 of the remaining 24 have missing space bars. One is missing a space bar. One is missing a left shift.But Tinlong mentioned a second extra. I assume that will be auctioned as well. So is the one with the missing spacebar going up for auction as well (or will it be another, or is that not known yet)?
But Tinlong mentioned a second extra. I assume that will be auctioned as well. So is the one with the missing spacebar going up for auction as well (or will it be another, or is that not known yet)?
Yeah, but can I buy one of the ones in the OP because I will pay right now if I can..Same. I've PMed him.
I did too and I was slightly confused by the response :-XYeah, but can I buy one of the ones in the OP because I will pay right now if I can..Same. I've PMed him.
Does anyone have an extra set of Model M122 and maybe F caps who doesn't mind getting this boards? Otherwise, you'll have to ask tinlong for the best course of action.I am okay taking the one missing shift. I think I have a spare ISO set that should fit.
Does anyone have an extra set of Model M122 and maybe F caps who doesn't mind getting this boards? Otherwise, you'll have to ask tinlong for the best course of action.I am okay taking the one missing shift. I think I have a spare ISO set that should fit.
The new name of the thread says it all. "kishsaver no more"I did too and I was slightly confused by the response :-XYeah, but can I buy one of the ones in the OP because I will pay right now if I can..Same. I've PMed him.
Okay then, I think we both know what this meansThe new name of the thread says it all. "kishsaver no more"I did too and I was slightly confused by the response :-XYeah, but can I buy one of the ones in the OP because I will pay right now if I can..Same. I've PMed him.
I assume they were pretty quickly scoffed up because during my first PM, he led me to the auction and didn't mention anything about just buying one.
Okay then, I think we both know what this meansThe new name of the thread says it all. "kishsaver no more"I did too and I was slightly confused by the response :-XYeah, but can I buy one of the ones in the OP because I will pay right now if I can..Same. I've PMed him.
I assume they were pretty quickly scoffed up because during my first PM, he led me to the auction and didn't mention anything about just buying one.Show Image(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk218/Archammer_ds/Come-At-Me-Bro-khal-drogo-23525547-500-282.gif)
I made an executive decision: USPS Board Game Flat Rate boxes for all. I got extremely lucky and one of the post offices I stopped at had a 25pack of the boxes for me. So I have the boxes, bubble wrap, and packing paper now. Packing supplies cost me $30 even. I'll take a picture of the receipt upon request.
I will try and have all of these mailed out Friday 12/13 and Saturday 12/14.
That means I need you guys to pay me shipping ASAP. I will send a PM with my Paypal address; please send as Goods. I have included the Paypal fees. If you don't pay me, I don't ship.
Pricing is:
$15.30 (Flat rate for box) + $1.20 (Shipping supplies) + $.80 (PayPal fee of $.30+2.9%) = $17.30 for shipping if you're in CONUS. I have everyone's address so there's no need to PM me that, just FYI.
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Shoutouts to Ninjadoc for making this happen. Looking like these are going out Saturday.
I've printed off the shipping labels. Can someone verify if they got an email with the tracking information? I'm not 100% sure how USPS' site works.
I've printed off the shipping labels. Can someone verify if they got an email with the tracking information? I'm not 100% sure how USPS' site works.
I've printed off the shipping labels. Can someone verify if they got an email with the tracking information? I'm not 100% sure how USPS' site works.
Did you put their emails in the box that said notify recipient?
If anyone would like to acquire my kishsaver please PM me and we can work something out with CPTRight after I just bought the one in the auction...
Pending to HPE1000Wonderful. I felt bad taking the auction from him.
Thanks so much binge :)
Oh I will, it's going to babied and loved for a long time :)Thanks so much binge :)
You're very welcome. I'm happy to provide this opportunity to another member of the community at cost :) What I won't be able to accomplish in restoring it I hope you do and enjoy greatly.
As promised, the majority of the CONUS kishsavers are now shipped.
Just got mine in last night.. this thing is really cool. A few things:
1. Wow it's heavy.. awesome.
2. It's really cool how the spacebar is the only key that needs a stabilizer bar, and it doesn't need to be opened to fix it if you pull it off (like the AT and XT Fs do).
3. Does anyone find that their spacebar is extremely heavy, and can get stuck sometimes upon depression? Any trick to adjust the stabilizer bar/holders to help this? Without the stabilizer bar it feels like a normal key for me, so it probably is the stabilizer and not the cap/spring/barrel.
4. It looks like there are at least couple of different variants I've seen so far (at least as far as keycaps go) that came in this buy: 127001's (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52394.msg1160902#msg1160902) and codyeatworld's (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1160660#msg1160660) (unless they swapped caps before taking pics). And mine is a little different from both of theirs - I can snap a pic later. One noticeable thing on mine is that like 127001's, I have the fake "winkeys" looking like the bottom halves of two-piece Model M keycaps. cody's has a normal top - not sure if it's one- or two-piece. I might be off to look for some replacements.
5. Thanks tinlong and CPT! :)
I cleaned mine up a bit, I have access to good camera so I'm gonna take some better pics later.
I'm not really sure how to take apart the plate properly so all I did was soak the keys in alka selter for a few and cleaned the case with degreaser.
I only have stabilizer wire in the backspace, all my other wires are missing, The right shift is very janky, but I plan on splitting it if possible. The plastic that would hold the wire is broken on the spacebar, and one the winged reset keys will get jammed.
The V key dosent go down all the way either.
There was a ton of dust balls under the caps too!
So I need a new spacebar + wire.
If possible I want to split the backspace and right shift.
And use an ISO enter key.
I'm working on a stabilizer that will convert Model M spacebars for use on Model F keyboards (122 and 4704, not AT or XT). That thread should be up soon (barring any complications) because I might need it for mine. I'll find out tomorrow.
I'm working on a stabilizer that will convert Model M spacebars for use on Model F keyboards (122 and 4704, not AT or XT). That thread should be up soon (barring any complications) because I might need it for mine. I'll find out tomorrow.
Making a tab is easy. I used sheet metal bent into a "Z" shape and epoxied in place.
I made mine rather long, and they can be "tuned" by bending the opening longer or shorter.
HMM, not really helping but it looks like the inside of your case is painted, mine isn't, odd.
I opened up my kishsaver just to take a look around. I noticed a couple black plastics pieces on either end that have three holes for the screws and fit between the case and backplate. I imagine the purpose is to keep the metal parts from moving around and keep the whole assembly secure. Mine were all cracked up into a few pieces. I will include some pictures below.They only seem to be spacers. Mine were also cracked, but when reassembled, the remaining pieces kept the keyboard assembly in place and also kept from touching the top of the case (which is what I image they are meant to do). New ones sure wouldn't hurt, though.
I'm wondering if this is something that we could attempt to remake using a 3-D printer. These pieces seem somewhat important.
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HMM, not really helping but it looks like the inside of your case is painted, mine isn't, odd.
I opened up my kishsaver just to take a look around. I noticed a couple black plastics pieces on either end that have three holes for the screws and fit between the case and backplate. I imagine the purpose is to keep the metal parts from moving around and keep the whole assembly secure. Mine were all cracked up into a few pieces. I will include some pictures below.
I'm wondering if this is something that we could attempt to remake using a 3-D printer. These pieces seem somewhat important.
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I opened up my kishsaver just to take a look around. I noticed a couple black plastics pieces on either end that have three holes for the screws and fit between the case and backplate. I imagine the purpose is to keep the metal parts from moving around and keep the whole assembly secure. Mine were all cracked up into a few pieces. I will include some pictures below.
I'm wondering if this is something that we could attempt to remake using a 3-D printer. These pieces seem somewhat important.
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OK guys, we need a Kishsaver thread. A place to post pictures and talk about it. I don't think it matters who starts it, but I don't think it belongs in "classifieds". I vote for it being in "making stuff" because we do need to make stuff to get these to work.
OK guys, we need a Kishsaver thread. A place to post pictures and talk about it. I don't think it matters who starts it, but I don't think it belongs in "classifieds". I vote for it being in "making stuff" because we do need to make stuff to get these to work.
There's one here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52394.0
Hrm, not sure why! Unlocked until 127001 complains :)
I want some dirty pics of these dirty boards :thumb:
But dam if I was into SSK's I'd get one seeing as these go for $300 to $400 on ebay no problems
package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
If you're going to wholesale them, at least let whoever buys it make a better margin.
It's probably a 20-30% margin. That's pretty fair :P
package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
If you're going to wholesale them, at least let whoever buys it make a better margin.
then i think i should put them on ebay one by one and let it flies to 300 usd.
It's probably a 20-30% margin. That's pretty fair :P
In retail, standard markup is about 100%. He also said they were pretty dirty yesterday. So I don't know how being non-pristine affects the value.
Do they really go for that even if they're not in great condition? I thought you said these were a little dirty.well, but at least 200 or 220.package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
If you're going to wholesale them, at least let whoever buys it make a better margin.
then i think i should put them on ebay one by one and let it flies to 300 usd.
Do they really go for that even if they're not in great condition? I thought you said these were a little dirty.well, but at least 200 or 220.package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
If you're going to wholesale them, at least let whoever buys it make a better margin.
then i think i should put them on ebay one by one and let it flies to 300 usd.
Your price is fair tin, any cheaper and you'd be giving them away.
Your price is fair tin, any cheaper and you'd be giving them away.
/me facepalms
Do they really go for that even if they're not in great condition? I thought you said these were a little dirty.well, but at least 200 or 220.package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
If you're going to wholesale them, at least let whoever buys it make a better margin.
then i think i should put them on ebay one by one and let it flies to 300 usd.
Your price is fair tin, any cheaper and you'd be giving them away.
Is that little caprice in your sig tin?(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/aww-yea.gif.pagespeed.ce.cDvJ58wWyB.gif)
Is that little caprice in your sig tin?
naturally, i've worked with many many many SSKs, a large potion of which were sourced from taobao.
almost universally, taobao sellers were selling boards with ruined internals, or internals that had a small amount of damage that they then covered with hot glue and ruined. i even made clear to these sellers that i was only interested in the boards for parts and did not care about any issues at all that the board may have, yet they still insisted on kludging broken parts together with hot glue and gumption. personally, if i were to pick up this lot, i would not pay more than 75/board (note that the going rate on taobao is about 40$/board). the labor involved in tearing them down and rebuilding them far outweighs the value of the parts.
Is that little caprice in your sig tin?
Yes.
P.S. You're the fifth guy who ask me this question.
Do they really go for that even if they're not in great condition? I thought you said these were a little dirty.well, but at least 200 or 220.package deal. 11 for 1650 usd +200 usd shipping (EMS)
If you're going to wholesale them, at least let whoever buys it make a better margin.
then i think i should put them on ebay one by one and let it flies to 300 usd.
Your price is fair tin, any cheaper and you'd be giving them away.
Something tells me tin didn't spend anywhere close to $150 a board to call this price "giving them away".
Especially when you factor he hasn't bothered to post 1 picture and with what happened to the kishsavers that got to anson, that would indicate these might not be any better.
Oh, speaking of, pics would still be nice.
Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
You have good taste in porn modelsIs that little caprice in your sig tin?
Yes.
P.S. You're the fifth guy who ask me this question.
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
Makes you wonder if he even has them at hand or is he just drop shipping them like with kishsavers..
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
Makes you wonder if he even has them at hand or is he just drop shipping them like with kishsavers..
**** you! Who the **** bring kishsaver to here? Keep whine about my shipping. Just keep whine about it, you lazy mother****er! I should just auction them one by one. You ****ing ****!
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
As is and no return on ebay next time.
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
Makes you wonder if he even has them at hand or is he just drop shipping them like with kishsavers..
**** you! Who the **** bring kishsaver to here? Keep whine about my shipping. Just keep whine about it, you lazy mother****er! I should just auction them one by one. You ****ing ****!
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
As is and no return on ebay next time.
seriously? this is your defense? so you sold a bunch of cheap broken boards without telling the people you were trading with, you source by any means necessary and do absolutely no quality control, happily sell this potentially broken crap for 400% margin and you would like to give you 200$/board for sniping this junk?Then you shouldn't have problems putting pictures up for the potential buyer of your near $2000 transaction.
All we have to go off of are pictures of how your last buy got sent to Anson, and bluntly, those looked like trash and were packed like it, too.
Yes, I admit that I hadn't done a decent job on shipping those to the states. However, I improved on the EU ones.
P.S. I'll take some pics once I've time. I'm quite busy atm.<---not an excuse, though. It only takes me few minutes to do it but that's it.
P.S.2 On the first batch ssks (which are from taobao) that I sold on DT, lots of boards (3 out of 8) ****ed up after arrival to the buyers (broken barrel, etc).
As is and no return on ebay next time.
So does this mean you're admitting to selling broken/trash boards?
Show Image(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/876162816/hBA277FC7/)
I have nothing to do with this.
I have nothing to do with this.
lol
And this board is from taobao, too.
Fetched 225 eur.
http://ebay.de/itm?itemId=171195804403
Edit: fixed link http://www.ebay.de/itm/171195804403?redirect=mobile
I have nothing to do with this.
lol
Teach me how to end the drama.
P.S. PM the mods if you find anything that violate the TOS.
**** you! Who the **** bring kishsaver to here? Keep whine about my shipping. Just keep whine about it, you lazy mother****er! I should just auction them one by one. You ****ing ****!
Your reputation was hurt by that awful packaging job of the Kishsavers. I do thank you for your efforts to acquire those Kishsavers, BUT the poor packaging and shipping caused some damage to the boards.
THIS IS HOW YOU END THE DRAMA:This is good advice.
1. Test the boards to see if they work.
2. Be upfront about any defects to the boards.
3. Take some pictures and post them here.
4. Pack them with plenty of packing material so they are protected and do not move around during the shipping process.
5. Stand behind your product and be honest and reliable rather than trying to make a quick Hong Kong Dollar from the community. It helps your creditability, which in turn helps your ability to succeed in any money-making venture.
Your reputation was hurt by that awful packaging job of the Kishsavers. I do thank you for your efforts to acquire those Kishsavers, BUT the poor packaging and shipping caused some damage to the boards. Many people now question your reliability and honesty, including myself.
And Tinlong has learned to pack things better through his mistakes.
And Tinlong has learned to pack things better through his mistakes.
Are you sure about that? The Pure PCB I bought from him was wrapped in a single sheet of paper (and when I say wrapped, it was more like the paper was folded in half and it was dropped into it) and tossed into a box to bang around in. The Kishsavers were packed equally poorly and I've seen other things packed poorly from him. It would take a pre-shipped pictured of everything bubble wrapped and in peanuts or air bags to convince me otherwise.
People have already presented good solutions to address the criticisms in here. I think mine wasn't unreasonable nor were the ones presented by prdlm2009. If he wants to sell them for that much, there definitely needs to be some incentive to buy from him, otherwise you might as well buy one of the many sub $100 SSKs on Taobao.
Here's just a handful of the many cheaper SSKs on Taobao:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=15756920412
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3495181644
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.9.tBcaBp&id=8178239594
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.50.tBcaBp&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.41.tBcaBp&id=14322995910
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.huNHlW&id=4821818431
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=9912443001
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3459409143
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=14322995910
Nubbinator is right. I've had my proxy ship me a couple of SSKs from Taobao recently and they were both in excellent condition. The '93 one that I kept looks NIB.
And Tinlong has learned to pack things better through his mistakes.
Are you sure about that? The Pure PCB I bought from him was wrapped in a single sheet of paper (and when I say wrapped, it was more like the paper was folded in half and it was dropped into it) and tossed into a box to bang around in. The Kishsavers were packed equally poorly and I've seen other things packed poorly from him. It would take a pre-shipped pictured of everything bubble wrapped and in peanuts or air bags to convince me otherwise.
People have already presented good solutions to address the criticisms in here. I think mine wasn't unreasonable nor were the ones presented by prdlm2009. If he wants to sell them for that much, there definitely needs to be some incentive to buy from him, otherwise you might as well buy one of the many sub $100 SSKs on Taobao.
Here's just a handful of the many cheaper SSKs on Taobao:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=15756920412
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3495181644
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.9.tBcaBp&id=8178239594
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.50.tBcaBp&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.41.tBcaBp&id=14322995910
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.huNHlW&id=4821818431
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=9912443001
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3459409143
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=14322995910
**** you! Who the **** bring kishsaver to here? Keep whine about my shipping. Just keep whine about it, you lazy mother****er! I should just auction them one by one. You ****ing ****!
And Tinlong has learned to pack things better through his mistakes.
Are you sure about that? The Pure PCB I bought from him was wrapped in a single sheet of paper (and when I say wrapped, it was more like the paper was folded in half and it was dropped into it) and tossed into a box to bang around in. The Kishsavers were packed equally poorly and I've seen other things packed poorly from him. It would take a pre-shipped pictured of everything bubble wrapped and in peanuts or air bags to convince me otherwise.
People have already presented good solutions to address the criticisms in here. I think mine wasn't unreasonable nor were the ones presented by prdlm2009. If he wants to sell them for that much, there definitely needs to be some incentive to buy from him, otherwise you might as well buy one of the many sub $100 SSKs on Taobao.
Here's just a handful of the many cheaper SSKs on Taobao:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=15756920412
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3495181644
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.9.tBcaBp&id=8178239594
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.50.tBcaBp&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.41.tBcaBp&id=14322995910
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.huNHlW&id=4821818431
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=9912443001
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3459409143
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=14322995910
We should probably start a new thread to see if we can get enough people to go in on this....an SSK Group Buy.
I'm in for one or two.
And Tinlong has learned to pack things better through his mistakes.
Are you sure about that? The Pure PCB I bought from him was wrapped in a single sheet of paper (and when I say wrapped, it was more like the paper was folded in half and it was dropped into it) and tossed into a box to bang around in. The Kishsavers were packed equally poorly and I've seen other things packed poorly from him. It would take a pre-shipped pictured of everything bubble wrapped and in peanuts or air bags to convince me otherwise.
People have already presented good solutions to address the criticisms in here. I think mine wasn't unreasonable nor were the ones presented by prdlm2009. If he wants to sell them for that much, there definitely needs to be some incentive to buy from him, otherwise you might as well buy one of the many sub $100 SSKs on Taobao.
Here's just a handful of the many cheaper SSKs on Taobao:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=15756920412
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3495181644
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.9.tBcaBp&id=8178239594
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.50.tBcaBp&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.41.tBcaBp&id=14322995910
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.huNHlW&id=4821818431
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=13782154767
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=9912443001
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=3459409143
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.0.0.huNHlW&id=14322995910
This looks like a much better deal with pictures. I have added the above 10 SSKs and found one more to equal 11 SpaceSavers for ¥4431 or about $732 ( this includes shipping to proxy ) now I bet you can pay someone $200 and get them shipped to you with proxy fees. So for under $1000 you can purchase 11 keyboards that have pictures oh and the best part the seller will not insult you if you ask a question about the keyboard. :thumb:
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YEAH. I'M HERE TO SCAM ALL YOU KIDS. I'M A SCAMMER. I'M THE WORST SELLER ON THIS PLACE. I SHOULDN'T BRING KISHSAVER TO HERE. I SHOULDN'T BRING ANYTHING TO HERE. I SHOULD PUT ALL THE KISHSAVER ON EBAY AND AUCTION THEM INSTEAD TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE HERE. I'M JUST SO FRUSTRATING NOW. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT CHANCE TO LET YOU GUYS TO HAVE SOME RARE IBM BOARDS, I THOUGHT I WILL NOT CAUSE HAVE ANY FLAME WAR AND I ALSO THOUGHT I WILL GET APPRECIATED. I ADMIT THAT I DID A BAD JOB ON SHIPPING. HOWEVER, I ALREADY APOLOGISED ON GH IRC FOR MANY MANY TIMES. I HAVE NO CLUE WHY PEOPLE STILL BRING THIS UP AGAIN AND AGAIN. I THOUGHT EVERYTHING IS OVER. ALSO, I'M NOT THE ONE WHO HAVE MAKE MISTAKES ON SHIPPING KISHSAVERS.
Sigh.
One of the main parts of being an adult is accepting responsibility for your actions. Learn from it and move on. Thank those trying to help you and promise to improve the next time. It's that easy.
If this has already occurred, then great, let's all move forward and make some deals.
tinnie is def not an adult
tinnie is def not an adult
Neither are we. Who are we to say otherwise? ;)
tinnie is def not an adult
Neither are we. Who are we to say otherwise? ;)
your not an adult either!
Sigh.
One of the main parts of being an adult is accepting responsibility for your actions. Learn from it and move on. Thank those trying to help you and promise to improve the next time. It's that easy.
If this has already occurred, then great, let's all move forward and make some deals.
Who says tin is an adult?
Hmm.. I thought the thread was locked.
Edit: looks like one can still post via Tapatalk. Photo, probably need to update the Tapatalk plugin in the prim software.