The price is too high for the funky caps lock imo
The price is too high for the funky caps lock imo
LOL... Caps are easily replaced with BS. Hell, I'm certain someone with a Model M would trade you their Caps lock key for that Ctrl key.
How does it not have all the caps? I can see them all in the pictures. Because the layout is not to your liking is not the fault of the seller.What I mean is that the caps are not OEM as they would be from the factory ; though I suppose I care about that now than most do in here. Also I'm not faulting the seller at all :P. He clear points the issue out. I just don't think the keyboard is worth that is all.
Anyhow, I do agree that this is overpriced. As much as fohat.digs would love to see Model Fs increase in price this much, or even be on par with the SSK, I don't agree.
In fact, SSKs are overpriced. People need to quit bidding so incessantly on them...
What I mean is that the caps are not OEM as they would be from the factory ; though I suppose I care about that now than most do in here.
What I mean is that the caps are not OEM as they would be from the factory ; though I suppose I care about that now than most do in here.
How are the caps not OEM?
I was confused at first, but I believe they are referring to the third-to-last picture, where you can see the side skirt of the caps lock key has been broken off.Show Image(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/2/5/4/9/6/webimg/715808541_tp.jpg)
I was confused at first, but I believe they are referring to the third-to-last picture, where you can see the side skirt of the caps lock key has been broken off.Show Image(http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/7/2/5/4/9/6/webimg/715808541_tp.jpg)
And they expect to sell it at 250$
These boards are drastically underpriced in relation to the current SSK price spike, in my opinion.
These boards are drastically underpriced in relation to the current SSK price spike, in my opinion.
Stop, please. There is no relation between the two. Your opinion of what Model Fs should go for, and because SSKs are spiking, doesn't mean that Fs should be priced higher or that they're underpriced.
Model Fs have a nice feel, but people like the SSK because it is a more common TKL form factor. Let's face it: a lot of people don't like the layouts that Model F keyboards come in. This is why they're not as desired, thus why they're not priced as high.
Now look at the 60% Model F. You see how many people wanted those? Because it's a popular layout. Maybe once those are able to be used with a modern computer, those might spike in price just as SSKs.
But these Model Fs? Nope.
Now look at the 60% Model F. You see how many people wanted those? Because it's a popular layout.
I will be using mine with the 50-key matrix F as a numberpad. I'm like the old guys: I need my arrow keys and enjoy a numberpad.
Let's face it: a lot of people don't like the layouts that Model F keyboards come in. This is why they're not as desired, thus why they're not priced as high.
Let's face it: a lot of people don't like the layouts that Model F keyboards come in. This is why they're not as desired, thus why they're not priced as high.
Clearly, you are right.
A Model F AT in what appeared to be excellent condition, just sold on ebay for under $100 + shipping, with active bids.
And lest anybody be tempted to buy a Model F, let me remind them that the hammers can get disarrayed if there is an impact, causing the key not to actuate anymore or actuate endlessly. Something that could take Fohat an hour to fix may take a noob 100 hours to fix, so be forewarned.
Impact damage isn't specific to F's, though.
Impact damage isn't specific to F's, though.
The internals are rock-solid, but the case plastic is rather brittle, especially on big boards with bottleneck corners.
And the AT case is very hard to pop apart.
And lest anybody be tempted to buy a Model F, let me remind them that the hammers can get disarrayed if there is an impact, causing the key not to actuate anymore or actuate endlessly. Something that could take Fohat an hour to fix may take a noob 100 hours to fix, so be forewarned.
Impact damage isn't specific to F's, though. Considering the duration most of them have been in use, I'd say their reliability generally exceeds that of most mechanicals.
Impact damage isn't specific to F's, though.
The internals are rock-solid, but the case plastic is rather brittle, especially on big boards with bottleneck corners.
And the AT case is very hard to pop apart.
I can't address the durability of the case, as I've never attempted to open my XT or AT F.
Difference is, if one Cherry switch is damaged, even with soldering it is fairly easy to replace. If one darn hammer is out of place, you have to struggle with the entire keyboard.
Difference is, if one Cherry switch is damaged, even with soldering it is fairly easy to replace. If one darn hammer is out of place, you have to struggle with the entire keyboard.
That might be true, although I tend to think such issues are the exception rather than the rule. F's are real workhorses from what I've seen, and most have apparently stood up to decades of use (and abuse) without incident.
I think they are strongest when on a desk. With that kind of solid metal and heavy PBT construction, nonstop banging for decades in an office environment don't do damage.
The problem comes when they are shipped 10,000 miles and shaken, turned upside down, bumped around, box flipped over, tossed by rough handlers, etc. Of course that is the exception (for most people, their Model Fs will never leave their desks), but this exception has worked heavily to my disadvantage.
The Model F is designed to be a stationary typewriter and it works perfectly as such. It is absolutely not designed to be mobile. If an idiot (aka me) chooses to ship it as far as the equivalent of 10,000,000 trips between your cabinet and desk (presumably the maximum distance your model F ever travels is 1 yard if you are rotating between keyboards), the idiot should be aware that the chances of dropping the Model F is considerably higher than 1 in 10 million, and that these hundreds of little hammers like to be uncooperative.
The AT F in AKIMbO's AT F tour is seemingly still functional subsequent numerous shipments to and from the various (7+) participants.
On WCASS's advice I made the casing tight with a piece of heavy paper between the PCB and the metal plate.
Hi Wcass
I didn't have a plastic sheet between PCB and plate, so maybe that was the reason why my F XT hammers were very loose. I asked you and you said it was ok to put paper there. (I hope I didn't misunderstand you!)