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Title: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:04:15: A piece of history.

http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/apple-ii-dos-source-code/

I still miss the sound of an Apple II floppy drive resetting as the machine booted.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:07:46: Interesting, I remember back in the day the first school computer lab we had was comprised of Apple II's
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:10:49: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:07:46
Interesting, I remember back in the day the first school computer lab we had was comprised of Apple II's

Same here, then the school moved to BBC Model B in an actual network with a File Server!
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:16:12: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:07:46
Interesting, I remember back in the day the first school computer lab we had was comprised of Apple II's

Same here (elementary school)...and they were TKL :)
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 18:16:55: Quote from: smknjoe on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:16:12
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:07:46
Interesting, I remember back in the day the first school computer lab we had was comprised of Apple II's

Same here (elementary school)...and they were TKL :)

The Apples? I would have described them as 60% ;)
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 13 November 2013, 19:55:47: Actually, the later Apple IIes had a numeric pad, making the layout maybe 70%.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 13 November 2013, 20:32:41: Almost all PCs come with numpads now. My point was that the originals didn't and that's what I became accustom to (not using a numpad.)
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:24:47: Quote from: smknjoe on Wed, 13 November 2013, 20:32:41
Almost all PCs come with numpads now. My point was that the originals didn't and that's what I became accustom to (not using a numpad.)

I also still remember how you could start up your Apple Mac from the keyboard. It was wonderful to press that Start switch and the machine sprang into life, I thought all PC's started up that way back then, little did I know.........
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:50:52: Quote from: Elrick on Wed, 13 November 2013, 21:24:47
Quote from: smknjoe on Wed, 13 November 2013, 20:32:41
Almost all PCs come with numpads now. My point was that the originals didn't and that's what I became accustom to (not using a numpad.)

I also still remember how you could start up your Apple Mac from the keyboard. It was wonderful to press that Start switch and the machine sprang into life, I thought all PC's started up that way back then, little did I know.........

We've still got an old PC case that actually has a big red switch on the side of the power supply. Until recently it was used as a stand for a projector.

Before Ctrl-Alt-Del came along, we used to throw the big red switch.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:43:06: From the price list image's description of the Apple II:

"typewriter-style keyboard with N-key rollover"
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 23:04:59: Quote from: FoxWolf1 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:43:06
From the price list image's description of the Apple II:

"typewriter-style keyboard with N-key rollover"

I wonder what a "non-typewriter-style" keyboard would have been.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 14 November 2013, 16:38:57: Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 23:04:59
Quote from: FoxWolf1 on Wed, 13 November 2013, 22:43:06
From the price list image's description of the Apple II:

"typewriter-style keyboard with N-key rollover"

I wonder what a "non-typewriter-style" keyboard would have been.

didnt scissor-switch keyboards exist back then? if so perhaps by "typewriter-style" they referred to the tactile/clicky feedback from the ALPS switches?
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 18:04:23: OK... now where is the ARM port so we can put whole computer inside M0110 keyboard.
(http://file.typematic.blog.shinobi.jp/M0110.JPG)
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 14 November 2013, 18:07:04: Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 18:04:23
OK... now where is the ARM port so we can put whole computer inside M0110 keyboard.
Show Image
(http://file.typematic.blog.shinobi.jp/M0110.JPG)

Neat idea, but it would be too heavily tied to the Apple II hardware.

Actually I hadn't realised how close that layout is to HHKB!
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 18:25:04: Oh you're right... there is some II hardware replica made with fpga or something that are tiny though. That should work.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:03:42: Quote from: rowdy on Thu, 14 November 2013, 18:07:04
Actually I hadn't realised how close that layout is to HHKB!

Where did you think HHKB would get that layout from to begin with? There are always previous designs that are no longer made hence it's a cue for some to take them and redo it for the current times.

Keyboard layouts don't have copyright hence far easier to include any layout design within your manufactured keyboard without fear of litigation, especially when those companies who made the original designs no longer exist.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:22:38: Yeah basically... M0110 + Sun layout = HHKB.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 14 November 2013, 19:32:17: I have old Sun keyboards too :)
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: MJ45 on Fri, 15 November 2013, 08:58:22: Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:04:15
A piece of history.

http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/apple-ii-dos-source-code/

I still miss the sound of an Apple II floppy drive resetting as the machine booted.
Me too and I think the command to boot off the disk was pr6 or pr#6, that was my first personal home computer.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:27:28: Quote from: MJ45 on Fri, 15 November 2013, 08:58:22
Quote from: rowdy on Wed, 13 November 2013, 17:04:15
A piece of history.

http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/apple-ii-dos-source-code/

I still miss the sound of an Apple II floppy drive resetting as the machine booted.
Me too and I think the command to boot off the disk was pr6 or pr#6, that was my first personal home computer.

PR#6 to reboot.

PR#3 to switch to 80 column mode (if you had such a video card installed).

PR#1 for printer?
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:37:22: I too used Apple IIs in elementary school for typing lessons and monochrome Oregon Trail. :D

(http://www1.pcmag.com/media/images/303495-the-oregon-trail.jpg)
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:46:23: Quote from: hashbaz on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:37:22
I too used Apple IIs in elementary school for typing lessons and monochrome Oregon Trail. :D

Show Image
(http://www1.pcmag.com/media/images/303495-the-oregon-trail.jpg)

YES that was the best game EVER.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: smknjoe on Fri, 15 November 2013, 20:31:31: Quote from: hashbaz on Fri, 15 November 2013, 15:37:22
I too used Apple IIs in elementary school for typing lessons and monochrome Oregon Trail. :D

Show Image
(http://www1.pcmag.com/media/images/303495-the-oregon-trail.jpg)

Same here...and then I had to go home and use my crappy Commodore Vic-20. I liked the Apple much better. Oh, the trials and tribulations of being 8 years old.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:13:28: I haven't played that one.

But I did play Apple Invaders, Galaxian, Tumble Bugs, Blitzkreig, Lode Runner, gee the memories are coming back.

Almost tempted to go online (er, I am online, ok go to a certain online auction site) and see if anyone is selling an old Apple II.

But there again there are some quite good emulators around these days.

AppleWin is one that springs to mine.

And JACE.
Title: Re: Apple II DOS source code released
Post by: MJ45 on Sat, 16 November 2013, 08:51:14: Quote from: rowdy on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:13:28
I haven't played that one.

But I did play Apple Invaders, Galaxian, Tumble Bugs, Blitzkreig, Lode Runner, gee the memories are coming back.

Almost tempted to go online (er, I am online, ok go to a certain online auction site) and see if anyone is selling an old Apple II.

But there again there are some quite good emulators around these days.

AppleWin is one that springs to mine.

And JACE.
I kind of wished I kept my Apple ][ but when the Macintosh came out I donated it to the local middle school my daughter attended. They had some and were more than happy to get another.