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Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 13 January 2009, 01:14:51
The Tech Report got their hands on a Das III...

http://techreport.com/articles.x/16138

I may have put in the comments some corrections... ;)
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 13 January 2009, 01:57:41
the reviewer sounded torn between the das and the M.
they're really very different.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 13 January 2009, 01:59:02
The reviewer is well known on that site for his love of the M, FWIW.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: xsphat on Tue, 13 January 2009, 02:00:02
Nice plug, good form sir.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: iMav on Tue, 13 January 2009, 02:58:46
Looks like pages 2-4 of the review (as well as the comments section) are currently unavailable.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: xsphat on Tue, 13 January 2009, 03:13:50
The net got all weird for me a little bit ago. I restarted all my gear and that wasn't it. Then it just worked again.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 13 January 2009, 04:24:22
Nice review, I agree with him about the glossiness of the das III. I wish it was a matte finish myself.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 13 January 2009, 07:11:03
Nice work on the GeekHack plug, bhtooefr.  I would have to disagree with you, though, on your comment that the buckling spring in the M is only there for tactile feel.  The switching mechanism relies on the spring to buckle to force the hammer to come in contact with the membrane.  For the clicky Alps, on the other hand, the clicking mechanism has nothing to do with the switch activation.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 13 January 2009, 07:12:24
One nice thing about the review, too, is the videos right next to each other.  It was easy to discern exactly how loud the Das is if you already had the reference of the Model M.  I am suprised about how much quieter the Das seemed in comaparison to the M.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 13 January 2009, 12:52:43
What I mean by "only there for tactile feel" is that the buckling spring mechanism doesn't perform any of the actual electrical switching, unlike, say, the internals of an Alps or Cherry switch. That's all up to the membrane sheet (or the capacitive switches in a Model F.)

The buckling spring mechanisms perform the same mechanical role as the rubber dome sheet in a rubber dome keyboard.
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 20 January 2009, 14:12:53
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16248

Note that they mention the Unicomps, and that they look like a "spray-painted ... Model M."
Title: More clicky keyboard coverage!
Post by: andb on Tue, 20 January 2009, 18:22:59
Quote from: bhtooefr;18018
What I mean by "only there for tactile feel" is that the buckling spring mechanism doesn't perform any of the actual electrical switching, unlike, say, the internals of an Alps or Cherry switch. That's all up to the membrane sheet (or the capacitive switches in a Model F.)

The buckling spring mechanisms perform the same mechanical role as the rubber dome sheet in a rubber dome keyboard.
I would respectfully disagree.

The rubber dome keeps the key up, but you still must press the key to activate the actual switch if I understand the design of membrane /rubber dome keyboards.

The buckling spring does provide the same supporting role as the dome, but further, its the collapse of the spring which releases the hammer to activate the membrane, making the spring an integral part of the switch activation.

So on a dome, you have the finger push first collapsing the dome, then the finger press continues and activates a switch.

With the BS, the finger push causes the spring to collapse, the collapse itself releases the hammer which activates the switch.

Also, because of this I feel it is correct to say that the click is a byproduct of activating the switch, unlike the Alps whites which have a completely seperate mechanism.

It is the integration of the actions and mechanisms into a single chain that makes the M feel so right.