Hello GeekHackers!
We have 3 group buys going on.
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/handarbeit (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/handarbeit)
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/cyrllic (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/cyrllic)
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/gmk-rgb (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/gmk-rgb)
The MOQ pricings are available on the links.
The Tier that is highlighted in red will show where we are at in the group buy.
Thanks!
Hello GeekHackers!
We have 3 group buys going on.
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/handarbeit (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/handarbeit)
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/cyrllic (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/cyrllic)
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/gmk-rgb (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets-1/products/gmk-rgb)
The MOQ pricings are available on the links.
The Tier that is highlighted in red will show where we are at in the group buy.
Thanks!
Okay Sherryton, if we select the items to purchase, can we pay via Paypal please?
Or are you just going to be buying 400 no matter what tier we hit?
That is my understanding, Sherry is going to make up the remaining orders to meet MOQ.
If he intends to buy 400+ no matter what, then those who participate should get the 400 price no matter what.
If he intends to buy 400+ no matter what, then those who participate should get the 400 price no matter what.
So if there are 150 pre-orders and Sherry needs to order another 250 to meet MOQ he should pass long the savings to everyone? The man is running a business, I don't see any problem with the way the pricing tiers are structured. Oiler doesn't charge extra because he's not buying hundreds of kits just to meet MOQ, he's buying extras to sell in his store.
If he intends to buy 400+ no matter what, then those who participate should get the 400 price no matter what.
So if there are 150 pre-orders and Sherry needs to order another 250 to meet MOQ he should pass long the savings to everyone? The man is running a business, I don't see any problem with the way the pricing tiers are structured. Oiler doesn't charge extra because he's not buying hundreds of kits just to meet MOQ, he's buying extras to sell in his store.
There is no difference except sherry is buying 250 extras instead of 50-100+. Passing on the savings is what our group buys are. If he isn't passing on the savings then it is just a regular sale that you can get in on early.
Let me put it like this with small numbers:
I want to buy 10 keyboards and I'm buying them no matter what at $10 a piece. $100 total
I offer to sell them as a group buy at $15 a piece for up to 4, $13 a piece for up to 7, and at $11 a piece for 10+ to "reward" early adopters.
I sell only 5 of them at $15 = $75
I sell the rest of them when they all arrive at $16 since I don't want to make early buyers angry. + $80
I've sold all 10 totaling $155 instead of $110 if I had sold 10 in the "group buy".
It is also possible that I decided to order 15 instead of 10 since I made so much off of my "group buy" to subsidize the price of my other keyboards so I can make even more money.
Group buys are not to subsidize buying more of something or meeting high MOQs for less risk. A pre-sale in the vendor sub-forum would be the appropriate place for that.
In my opinion a group buy is supposed to be something that a community member wants to do for little to no gain. A couple free sets, maybe 1-5% profit if it is explained, or offered as an optional add-on like a tip.
i totally agree with what is being said, but you also have to appreciate the scale
yes perhaps presale is indeed a better word for this
what you describe is all fair and correct, however when you scale that up, it becomes more complicated, if he presells 100 but lays out the money for 300 more, he is not making up 30% as described, but 300%, there is risk, and a huge time commitment, it could take him a long time to get his money back out, and he may need to offset as much of that as possible to make it happen
once again, im not trying to argue your point as incorrect, just trying to find a way to justify this, at the end of the day, we all want the same thing, gmk sets, i would rather pay 10 dollars more than have no option to buy one in the first place
In a normal SP GB, daniel's point makes sense
the problem is with GMK's high MOQ, its not possible to operate the same way in a GB.
Is it really the term "Group Buy" that's bugging you? Would you rather he just name it "presale"?
would that make you feel better then? I mean seriously.
so if he named it "preorder" and sold it at these prices, then sold people afterwards whatever higher prices, you'll be ok with this?
Or are you just upset that he's making $$?
Sherry make the RGB sets in A profile :-*
so if he named it "preorder" and sold it at these prices, then sold people afterwards whatever higher prices, you'll be ok with this?
Or are you just upset that he's making $$?
What doesn't seem right is "Hey if you participate and we get 400 people you can pay less, but if you participate and we get less people up front and I still order 400 you will pay more. Those participating in the group buy to help get it closer to 400 should be rewarded with the lower price since 400 sets will be ordered no matter what, this would actually make more people sign up sooner and balance the risk.
On top of these sets costing considerably more than previous sets for no obvious reason. I have my suspicions that Dolch, etc. cost more to subsidize more keys and make sure they get paid for, and then when they actually sell it is all profit. As if I were selling you an 87 key set for the price of a 110 key set, then I turn and sell the numpad keys and winkeyless keys separately.
so if he named it "preorder" and sold it at these prices, then sold people afterwards whatever higher prices, you'll be ok with this?
Or are you just upset that he's making $$?
What doesn't seem right is "Hey if you participate and we get 400 people you can pay less, but if you participate and we get less people up front and I still order 400 you will pay more. Those participating in the group buy to help get it closer to 400 should be rewarded with the lower price since 400 sets will be ordered no matter what, this would actually make more people sign up sooner and balance the risk.
On top of these sets costing considerably more than previous sets for no obvious reason. I have my suspicions that Dolch, etc. cost more to subsidize more keys and make sure they get paid for, and then when they actually sell it is all profit. As if I were selling you an 87 key set for the price of a 110 key set, then I turn and sell the numpad keys and winkeyless keys separately.
it appears that you just "realized" that Originative is a business...
so if he named it "preorder" and sold it at these prices, then sold people afterwards whatever higher prices, you'll be ok with this?
Or are you just upset that he's making $$?
What doesn't seem right is "Hey if you participate and we get 400 people you can pay less, but if you participate and we get less people up front and I still order 400 you will pay more. Those participating in the group buy to help get it closer to 400 should be rewarded with the lower price since 400 sets will be ordered no matter what, this would actually make more people sign up sooner and balance the risk.
On top of these sets costing considerably more than previous sets for no obvious reason. I have my suspicions that Dolch, etc. cost more to subsidize more keys and make sure they get paid for, and then when they actually sell it is all profit. As if I were selling you an 87 key set for the price of a 110 key set, then I turn and sell the numpad keys and winkeyless keys separately.
Until someone on GH can run a successful 400MOQ order from GMK, I see this as the only option for a vender to front the cost up front in exchange for profit down the road.
Until someone on GH can run a successful 400MOQ order from GMK, I see this as the only option for a vender to front the cost up front in exchange for profit down the road.
If we were not trying to cater to 5-10% of the community that wanted language packs and/or iso keys just as Originative has done, then we probably would have had two successful GMK buys under our belt as a community throughout 2013.
Until someone on GH can run a successful 400MOQ order from GMK, I see this as the only option for a vender to front the cost up front in exchange for profit down the road.
If we were not trying to cater to 5-10% of the community that wanted language packs and/or iso keys just as Originative has done, then we probably would have had two successful GMK buys under our belt as a community throughout 2013.
considering the GB organizer is the one who wants the language pack and what not, this is difficult to do.
Unless someone else steps up to do it. Not to mention how many GBs have over 400 orders?
I haven't seen a full keycap GB even with SP that went over 400 order recently.
Just a quick search, raindrop had 162 alphas ordered, Lily in the GB had over 75 sets ordered, maybe boiler ordered to 100 sets. Same with Turtle Power.
Klaxon had 150+ RoW Base sets and 50+ WoR, but RoW didn't hit 200+ and WoR didn't hit 100+, Valentine had around 100 sets, Cherry Replicas i don't think were pass 300 total.
I listed those that were completed.Until someone on GH can run a successful 400MOQ order from GMK, I see this as the only option for a vender to front the cost up front in exchange for profit down the road.
If we were not trying to cater to 5-10% of the community that wanted language packs and/or iso keys just as Originative has done, then we probably would have had two successful GMK buys under our belt as a community throughout 2013.
considering the GB organizer is the one who wants the language pack and what not, this is difficult to do.
Unless someone else steps up to do it. Not to mention how many GBs have over 400 orders?
I haven't seen a full keycap GB even with SP that went over 400 order recently.
Just a quick search, raindrop had 162 alphas ordered, Lily in the GB had over 75 sets ordered, maybe boiler ordered to 100 sets. Same with Turtle Power.
Klaxon had 150+ RoW Base sets and 50+ WoR, but RoW didn't hit 200+ and WoR didn't hit 100+, Valentine had around 100 sets, Cherry Replicas i don't think were pass 300 total.
You have not looked at Toxic have you. Over 600 of the base set and 500 of the modifiers. Yes those numbers will drop off a bit because of people falling out of interest in keyboards, but it will also pick up some last second orders as well. If it wasn't for the unique color we want to run we would have done it through GMK already. It can be done with patience and a 4-6 month group buy, or possibly a one month MassDrop.
It's a lot easier to get high order amount when cheap price... if GMK price was like Tai Hao we probably would be doing like 1000 set orders. From my perspective, the biggest problem is people simply put off by the cost of GMK keys first, then after this complain about what key selection is available whether it be complain too many keys, or lack of particular ones for their desire.
You have two distinct groups that need to be catered to on as much balance as is possible. First group is ones that want basic keyset for cheap price. Second is people that want more 'specialized' sets with winkeyless, other language keys, etc. You need both those groups to make such high MOQ success I think.
The only other way to make it work right now is going with the knowledge that you are not going to reach the MOQ, and using higher tiered pricing to subsidize the extra sets that have to be ordered to make them at all.
so if he named it "preorder" and sold it at these prices, then sold people afterwards whatever higher prices, you'll be ok with this?
Or are you just upset that he's making $$?
What doesn't seem right is "Hey if you participate and we get 400 people you can pay less, but if you participate and we get less people up front and I still order 400 you will pay more. Those participating in the group buy to help get it closer to 400 should be rewarded with the lower price since 400 sets will be ordered no matter what, this would actually make more people sign up sooner and balance the risk.
On top of these sets costing considerably more than previous sets for no obvious reason. I have my suspicions that Dolch, etc. cost more to subsidize more keys and make sure they get paid for, and then when they actually sell it is all profit. As if I were selling you an 87 key set for the price of a 110 key set, then I turn and sell the numpad keys and winkeyless keys separately.
it appears that you just "realized" that Originative is a business...
Most businesses don't charge you for something, not give it to you, and then sell it to you as an add on since you wanted it in the first place.
Unless this is an acceptable business model change:
Old Charred orange set (consisted of 87 keyset, numpad, and winkeyless keys) 110 keys total $95
New Charred orange set 87 keys $95, numpad 17 keys $25, winkeyless 6 keys $25 - total 110 keys $145 but now you don't have to buy things you don't want........
If this is where GMK buys through Originative are heading then count me out. I don't want to pay about 52% more money for essentially the same item as before. Don't swallow this pill just because "he is running a business and assuming risk". He will sell out all keys eventually and was already making around 20-25% profit selling at $95. Not much risk there meaning he would only have to sell around 300-320 out of 400 sets to break even at the $95 dollar price
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Europeans don't want some half assed **** is the big problem there. ISO is not the same thing as German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, Swedish/Finnish, etc. From my conversations with many of those users they are not at all interested in US ISO layout sets and don't wish to buy them. Just as when you can often find German doubleshot set for cheap on old G80, many US ANSI user won't buy that even if you could get a blank 1.5 key to stand in for the \|, and enter and 2.25 shift for their ANSI board.
Personally I don't understand why the hell every layout has totally different placement on things for NO REASON but that is what the idiots on their standards committees decided on back decades ago and it's very hard to do anything about that now since people are 'used to it'.
It would have been a lot simpler if all the shared alphas, and punctuations were on the same damn numerics at the least so only few character on each were needed but no that's too easy.
It's what I originally proposed on the base generic set with numbers only numeric row but it seemed the majority didn't like that idea at all so I changed it... but not everyone liked that either.
ISO was fine, we have bunch of ANSI & ISO English users, I'm speaking of the ISO + 3 or 4 keys that comes with it. As for the language packs was a failure from the get go, all languages barely reached 15 orders, yea 3-4 peeps made noise and language packs were considered and I'm fine with it because they are separate from the ANSI set.Until someone on GH can run a successful 400MOQ order from GMK, I see this as the only option for a vender to front the cost up front in exchange for profit down the road.
If we were not trying to cater to 5-10% of the community that wanted language packs and/or iso keys just as Originative has done, then we probably would have had two successful GMK buys under our belt as a community throughout 2013.
As for the price increase, why you asking question when you know the answer to it.... its all about making money, once again 2 tone GMK full set cost around $50-$60, even Ivan prices are little fishy....
Bueller you don't read up much do you?
Its not a GB if you pay the premium price for the item on engaging the GB.
why he needs the money a month and a half in advance?........
How did you manage tiers below 400? Or are you just going to be buying 400 no matter what tier we hit? Something isn't adding up.
Bueller you don't read up much do you? Its not a GB if you pay the premium price for the item on engaging the GB. It should be only joining not charging ur card at get go, why he needs the money a month and a half in advance?........
Bueller you don't read up much do you? Its not a GB if you pay the premium price for the item on engaging the GB. It should be only joining not charging ur card at get go, why he needs the money a month and a half in advance?........
Maybe instead of accusations of impropriety, you can do the work yourself and then realize that "oh hey, maybe sherry's pricing is fair"?
i also like to complain while i sit on my throne and do nothing
Until someone on GH can run a successful 400MOQ order from GMK, I see this as the only option for a vender to front the cost up front in exchange for profit down the road.
If we were not trying to cater to 5-10% of the community that wanted language packs and/or iso keys just as Originative has done, then we probably would have had two successful GMK buys under our belt as a community throughout 2013.
considering the GB organizer is the one who wants the language pack and what not, this is difficult to do.
Unless someone else steps up to do it. Not to mention how many GBs have over 400 orders?
I haven't seen a full keycap GB even with SP that went over 400 order recently.
Just a quick search, raindrop had 162 alphas ordered, Lily in the GB had over 75 sets ordered, maybe boiler ordered to 100 sets. Same with Turtle Power.
Klaxon had 150+ RoW Base sets and 50+ WoR, but RoW didn't hit 200+ and WoR didn't hit 100+, Valentine had around 100 sets, Cherry Replicas i don't think were pass 300 total.
You have not looked at Toxic have you. Over 600 of the base set and 500 of the modifiers. Yes those numbers will drop off a bit because of people falling out of interest in keyboards, but it will also pick up some last second orders as well. If it wasn't for the unique color we want to run we would have done it through GMK already. It can be done with patience and a 4-6 month group buy, or possibly a one month MassDrop.
i also like to complain while i sit on my throne and do nothing
but then what will i complain about when i actually have to do work?
nope
:-\nope
liar
i also like to complain while i sit on my throne and do nothing
but then what will i complain about when i actually have to do work?
Talking to yourself again?
That is my understanding, Sherry is going to make up the remaining orders to meet MOQ.
So what is the group buy getting for us then? The opportunity to get them closer to cost and skip Originative upcharge only if the group buy breaks 400 tier during the group buy phase?
Because otherwise it just looks like we'd be helping to hit 400 at an increased price so it costs someone else less to buy those 400 sets...
If he intends to buy 400+ no matter what, then those who participate should get the 400 price no matter what. Oiler doesn't charge increased prices in his group buys when he is buying extras to carry on techkeys.us (http://www.techkeys.us/)
I'll edit my post if I am wrong or misunderstanding
That is my understanding, Sherry is going to make up the remaining orders to meet MOQ.
So what is the group buy getting for us then? The opportunity to get them closer to cost and skip Originative upcharge only if the group buy breaks 400 tier during the group buy phase?
Because otherwise it just looks like we'd be helping to hit 400 at an increased price so it costs someone else less to buy those 400 sets...
If he intends to buy 400+ no matter what, then those who participate should get the 400 price no matter what. Oiler doesn't charge increased prices in his group buys when he is buying extras to carry on techkeys.us (http://www.techkeys.us/)
I'll edit my post if I am wrong or misunderstanding
All our orders has been initial investments out of pocket with no cost to any of our customers. Yes we are a business, but our profits are still in our inventory. We still have Classic Beige and Charcoal sets in our inventory. We are still primarily a one man operation, myself, with the aid and assistance of family members and when I really need their help... will call upon friends on packaging days.
If we reach the 100 MOQ and we bought it at the 400 MOQ which we have done, we are taking on further risks.
If we were to sell at the 400 MOQ cost, it may take some time to reach the target, but our goal is to get the Handarbeit to you the customer's hands as soon as possible.
We are doing our best to our availabilty and take a 10-15% cut. Most of that pricing goes to a lot of labor, credit card processing fees, packaging, shipping, import taxes, sales taxes, etc. Anyone who has received our product, could you please chime in to the way you received your product? We spend the first two weeks after receiving the orders directly into packaging and sorting.
Hey sherry, sent you an email, please reply.Hey sherry,
This time around. We might try something different...
We might ship from other countries to save others on shipping. We would also like to make it faster and guarantee no losses for people. Hopefully we can work with vendors from a few countries.
Because $50,000 is a large number?
Because immediately charging someone is the easiest way to ensure you don't lose 10 - 30% of the interested parties when they change their fickle/impatient minds because "it's taking too long"?
Because people are going to complain about his prices no matter what, even though nokcha and i3oilermaker are in the same business and charge the same amount for SP as sherry does for GMK without anywhere near the investment that sherry has in 1 GMK set because they piggie back off of GB MoQs (this is no insult or shots fired, but statement of fact)?
Because no one said a negative word when bunnylake does the exact same thing (charge from interest registering)?
Each TKL bi-color set through GMK is $80/set before international shipping. I have an invoice I can share if you think I'm "being shady", too. Maybe instead of accusations of impropriety, you can do the work yourself and then realize that "oh hey, maybe sherry's pricing is fair"?
Because $50,000 is a large number?
Because immediately charging someone is the easiest way to ensure you don't lose 10 - 30% of the interested parties when they change their fickle/impatient minds because "it's taking too long"?
Because people are going to complain about his prices no matter what, even though nokcha and i3oilermaker are in the same business and charge the same amount for SP as sherry does for GMK without anywhere near the investment that sherry has in 1 GMK set because they piggie back off of GB MoQs (this is no insult or shots fired, but statement of fact)?
Because no one said a negative word when bunnylake does the exact same thing (charge from interest registering)?
Each TKL bi-color set through GMK is $80/set before international shipping. I have an invoice I can share if you think I'm "being shady", too. Maybe instead of accusations of impropriety, you can do the work yourself and then realize that "oh hey, maybe sherry's pricing is fair"?
TKL bi color set from GMK straight if MOQ is met cost $80? show us the invoice please, cause I got the Dolch 104 + Winkeyless set for $85 and I know the first peeps got it for $80. Show us the INVOICE then and explain how people purchased 109 keys Dolch set for $80 if TKL is $80 direct from GMK? One more thing, I'm yet to see GB @ GH that charges me as I enter like participant.
EDIT: I don't complain for the tier pricings, at least Sherry redeemed him self a little bit by adding the tiers and yes they reasonable now, but charging upfront its like taking your balls and giving to somebody telling him squeeze them at your wish.
i also like to complain while i sit on my throne and do nothing
but then what will i complain about when i actually have to do work?
Talking to yourself again?
It's amusing that you pull this out when other people post more than once.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/76epyMG.jpg)
Sherry needs profit to survive. Don't blame him.
Sherry make the RGB sets in A profile :-*
What does that mean? What profile are EK's?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/76epyMG.jpg)
Sherry needs profit to survive. Don't blame him.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/76epyMG.jpg)
Sherry needs profit to survive. Don't blame him.
Those prices seem real cheap because the Black and White monotone colors are the fastest and cheapest available through GMK. That is approximately $82 for 104 keys.
If you add in pad printed and clear coat, then the prices go up. Add in winkeyless and hhkb, then there will be an even more increase. Add sorting fees, credit card processing fees / paypal fees, import taxes, transfer fees, shipping costs, packaging materials, currency exchange rate fee, etc., then the prices will go beyond $95-110. Our Russian Cyrllic at 400 MOQ will cost you $115 for a full set.
I forgot to add pricing for Full Sets
Tiers (MOQ) Handarbeit (87) Tenkeypad Winkeyless HHKB Windowed Full Set
1 (100) 110 26 26 16 26 195
2 (200) 100 23.5 23.5 15 23.5 180
3 (400) 85 18 18 13 18 145
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/76epyMG.jpg)
Sherry needs profit to survive. Don't blame him.
Those prices seem real cheap because the Black and White monotone colors are the fastest and cheapest available through GMK. That is approximately $82 for 104 keys.
If you add in pad printed and clear coat, then the prices go up. Add in winkeyless and hhkb, then there will be an even more increase. Add sorting fees, credit card processing fees / paypal fees, import taxes, transfer fees, shipping costs, packaging materials, currency exchange rate fee, etc., then the prices will go beyond $95-110. Our Russian Cyrllic at 400 MOQ will cost you $115 for a full set.
Haha, no. It is not normal white on black set. It is ta 3000 set. Petrol and grey.
I don't mind you take profit, because tis your job and you need to survive.
P.S. I don't like you because you didn't ship kmac worldwide. :x
I forgot to add pricing for Full Sets
Tiers (MOQ) Handarbeit (87) Tenkeypad Winkeyless HHKB Windowed Full Set
1 (100) 110 26 26 16 26 195
2 (200) 100 23.5 23.5 15 23.5 180
3 (400) 85 18 18 13 18 145
So you will do a refund if the price has hit tier 3?
I have paid for 110+26 (TKL+Winkeyless)
This time around. We might try something different...
We might ship from other countries to save others on shipping. We would also like to make it faster and guarantee no losses for people. Hopefully we can work with vendors from a few countries.
Might pay to speak with the people from http://www.mechkb.com, they might be able to help you out with Aus distribution.
The Handarbeit still needs a lot more buyers.
The Handarbeit along with the RGB will probably end near January to February.
Hey Sherryton, I really like the stuff you're doing, but I feel very very little love for Mac users in your group buys.
I don't know how much impact on prices it would have, but including 2x 1.25x Cmd keys in the normal sets and 2x 1.0 Alt + 2x 1.5 Cmd keys in the "traditional 7x spacebar" sets would surely make all the Mac users - including me :) - very happy.
Edit: I am also arranging a PayPal option for everyone, no guarantees! I'll let you know at the end of the week.
Hey Sherryton, I really like the stuff you're doing, but I feel very very little love for Mac users in your group buys.
I don't know how much impact on prices it would have, but including 2x 1.25x Cmd keys in the normal sets and 2x 1.0 Alt + 2x 1.5 Cmd keys in the "traditional 7x spacebar" sets would surely make all the Mac users - including me :) - very happy.
Those keys would not be possible as there are no mouldings for those keys;
Edit: I am also arranging a PayPal option for everyone, no guarantees! I'll let you know at the end of the week.
Damn Sherry, I could kiss you for that :-* ...... finally getting some paypal action, which means almost a permanent drain on my bank account :thumb: .
The Handarbeit still needs a lot more buyers.
The Handarbeit along with the RGB will probably end near January to February.
Sherry, I said it at least 100 times before - provide "PAYPAL" payments and you'll get that "buy in" order happening instantly :thumb: .
In fact you'll be beating people off with a crowbar when those orders start rolling in finally.
Paypal purchasing would make me a sure customer of handarbeit :thumb:
Hi, sherry. I was waiting for paypal and planned to participate in GMK RGB, but all GB products disappeared on Originative website. Does deadline end?
Hi, sherry. I was waiting for paypal and planned to participate in GMK RGB, but all GB products disappeared on Originative website. Does deadline end?
Same here... when I want to order today, I found all disappearing..
When will it open again? I am afraid I have missed the handarbeit group buy.
Ken
When will it open again? I am afraid I have missed the handarbeit group buy.
Ken
read all the posts dude, no GB went trough, he is restarting everything
When will it open again? I am afraid I have missed the handarbeit group buy.
Ken
read all the posts dude, no GB went trough, he is restarting everything
Where is this post? I've read this thread several times and I don't find it!
When will it open again? I am afraid I have missed the handarbeit group buy.
Ken
read all the posts dude, no GB went trough, he is restarting everything
Where is this post? I've read this thread several times and I don't find it!
I know he posted this
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40315.msg1177448#msg1177448 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40315.msg1177448#msg1177448)
and this
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43233.msg1155116#msg1155116
When will it open again? I am afraid I have missed the handarbeit group buy.
Ken
read all the posts dude, no GB went trough, he is restarting everything
Where is this post? I've read this thread several times and I don't find it!
I know he posted this
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40315.msg1177448#msg1177448 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40315.msg1177448#msg1177448)
and this
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43233.msg1155116#msg1155116
"I am going to refund the money for the Handarbeit and Cyrllic. Except the Cyrllic and SoWaRe to here soon. That is all the updates for now. Thanks and Happy Holidays everyone."
Not sure what he means when he says he's going to refund money for the "Cyrillic" then he states " Except the Cyrllic and SoWaRe to here soon. "
So I have no clue what that means.