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Title: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Sun, 15 December 2013, 13:03:45
Hi,
im must buy keyboard for cs go.
Im choose mx brown.
And i have question, filco majestouch 2 mx brown or ducky shine 3 9008 ?.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: okan on Sun, 15 December 2013, 13:22:59
I was in the same boat, picked Filco browns and regretted..i recommend either Filco reds or blacks..
Oh, and the answer to your question: Filco.

Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 15 December 2013, 13:24:22
If you want a nice sturdy keyboard, Filco. If you want a nice board with a variety of LED modes, Ducky.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Sun, 15 December 2013, 13:37:55
why no brown switch?
ducky is poorly made​​?
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Awful on Sun, 15 December 2013, 13:43:03
Like Halverson said. Pretty much need to decide if you need/want LEDs or not. I would go Filco as I own one (in browns) and my ex had a Ducky that I tried out, and I personally felt like the Filco was much nicer.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Sun, 15 December 2013, 14:04:31
awful, filco mx brown is good in game?
please help me :D I do not know what to choose, ducky shine 3 9008 or filco majestauch...
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: genkidama on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:02:36
I only can talk about the Ducky Shine 3 as I recently bought one.
For me the Ducky Shine 3 was cheaper to get than any Filco and I'd say that the build quality of both companies are almost the same as others pointed out in differend threads/topics.

Probably it would be the best for you to try out all the switches there is on a test kit. I'm not a heavy gamer anymore and just play casually and I think Browns are just fine for gaming. You might need some time to get used to the Browns as they are a little heavier to press than on my rubberdome I had before (just my experience), still it's nice to game. If you play competitively I bet MX Reds or Blacks are better suited for you. Blacks being the heavier ones as they are at 75g I think and Reds should be at 45g. The more grams the more power you need to give to press them down. With Blacks my fingers got real tired very fast (I had a Steel Series 6GV2 before my Ducky).
But you don't need to take the Reds or Blacks, it's all just your preferences. But the usual idea is that Blacks and Reds are for gaming and Browns are something between gaming and typing. For the rest of the Switches I cannot say much as I haven't really looked into them that much than Browns, Reds and Blacks. :)

My take is: Go with the Ducky if the Filco is more expensive or somewhat the same. Or take my twist: Look into Ducky G2 Pro Dye Sublimation Keycap :thumb:
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:10:56
im choose brown,
im must only choose filco or ducky shine...
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: osi on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:23:19
im choose brown,
im must only choose filco or ducky shine...

If you want a nice sturdy keyboard, Filco. If you want a nice board with a variety of LED modes, Ducky.

This
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:28:23
If you have the money and don't want backlighting - Filco.

If you want backlighting - Ducky.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:47:30
I do not know what to choose...
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:47:59
I do not know what to choose...

Go with Ducky, enjoy the nice lights :)
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:49:50
I do not know what to choose...

Then why not both?
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:50:20
I do not know what to choose...

Go with Ducky, enjoy the nice lights :)

Can't go wrong with pretty lights.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Sun, 15 December 2013, 15:58:55
filco is very nice but no have backlight.
ducky is not well done...
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 15 December 2013, 16:12:24
Ducky are fine, at least the modern MX switch variations.  The earlier Alps ones had a few quality control problems, but now they are fine.

Also Ducky has about the biggest range of switch types, LED colours and layout options of any keyboard manufacturer.  You can also get non-backlit Duckys (the Ducky Zero).
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Emospence on Sun, 15 December 2013, 19:49:39
I liek Filco better. Crisper stabs.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: terran5992 on Sun, 15 December 2013, 22:35:02
Filco for quality
Ducky for LEDS
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Keytrun on Mon, 16 December 2013, 01:03:07
I had the exact same question you did. I originally really wanted the Ducky Shine 3 because I was used to my Razer Blackwidow Ultimate and wanted LED's. Then I started looking at the filco and realized that the quality was just top notch. This thing is built like a tank. It feels so sturdy to type on - it really is like dream. I finally was able to try a Ducky shine 3 a week or so ago and I'll tell you honestly that I much prefer the Filco. I also have brown switches and I really like them for gaming. I liked the mx blues more for typing but seeing as I do both typing and gaming - the brown was the most logical choice. Blues were actually fine for every game except Starcraft 2, which requires me to double tap keys - something that proves difficult on mx blues.

Do you touch type or do you need to look @ the keyboard when typing? If you're like me and you touch type then LED's are pointless. If you're planning on getting replacement keycaps too and you're interested in thick PBT (considered top notch caps) then LED's really won't do a lot for you.

My recommendation is go with the filco and get some thick pbt caps to go with it.

EDIT: A picture of mine for good measure : http://i.imgur.com/o1UPAqc.jpg - hopefully I'll have my aluminum batman escape key in this week, as well as my custom detachable cable from Pexon. I ordered the batman key from Imsto.cn nearly 3 weeks ago. I emailed him the other day asking where it was. A day later he emails me back saying that he just put it in the mail :(. I'm glad I messaged him - otherwise I don't think he would have ever sent it out!
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: ynrozturk on Mon, 16 December 2013, 06:55:40
Filco.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Saviant on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:15:01
I own a ducky year of the dragon and many Filco 87 and 104s and my choice would be the Filco. I chose Filco due to Replacement aluminium cases and replacement controllers. My ducky sits in cupboard as I don't need the LEDs and my filco in an MKC case doesn't move at all.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:19:38
If you want a nice sturdy keyboard, Filco. If you want a nice board with a variety of LED modes, Ducky.

I would agree with this. FWIW, I have a Filco Majestouch 2 and I'd say it's my favorite stock keyboard.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 16 December 2013, 08:58:38
If you want a nice sturdy keyboard, Filco. If you want a nice board with a variety of LED modes, Ducky.

I would agree with this. FWIW, I have a Filco Majestouch 2 and I'd say it's my favorite stock keyboard.

+1

I own 2
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 16 December 2013, 09:32:07
My friend owns a Ducky and Rosewill keyboard and he says it's sad that the cheaper keyboard (Rosewill) feels nicer to type on.

And Filco is better than Rosewill so therefore it's safe to assume Filco will feel nicer to type on than Ducky.

That and I own a Filco too.  It's the standard for solid construction no gimmick keyboard.

So the question is if you want a good solid keyboard or if you want pretty lights.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: IPT on Mon, 16 December 2013, 09:39:40
I've found personally my filco feels nicer than my ducky. Also my Leopold 700r feels nicer than my ducky.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: dante on Mon, 16 December 2013, 09:44:08
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:02:54
My friend owns a Ducky and Rosewill keyboard and he says it's sad that the cheaper keyboard (Rosewill) feels nicer to type on.

And Filco is better than Rosewill so therefore it's safe to assume Filco will feel nicer to type on than Ducky.

That and I own a Filco too.  It's the standard for solid construction no gimmick keyboard.

So the question is if you want a good solid keyboard or if you want pretty lights.

I think that you're not considering them fairly at all. First of all, all keyboards with plates feel extremely similar if not the same. Case construction might change that, but everything that isn't a Korean custom is plastic anyways. From all of the reviews I've read, the Ducky is always mentioned as very high build quality, quite heavy (whether this speaks to the double-layer PCB or just better case construction, I don't know), and the Ducky Yellow which recently came out has very thick PBT caps, much better than the often-complained-about thin ABS on the Filco.

Filco really doesn't live up to its hype. With Ducky, I don't mind paying $140 on a keyboard because it has solid construction, developed lighting, which actually took a lot of research, and is customizable. The Filco, in comparison, is a barebones, featureless keyboard; the same as a QFR, but at over double the price.

A better comparison would be if you want a tank or an Audi. Both are good choices.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: dante on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:05:51
Filco should take a page from WASD's playbook and come out with a cheaper keyless "barebones" option.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Mon, 16 December 2013, 11:10:10
Filco should take a page from WASD's playbook and come out with a cheaper keyless "barebones" option.

I could imagine that working for Filco, as a lot of enthusiasts (i.e. people who actually have another set of caps) buy their boards. Personally I really don't want to go back to thin ABS, so I wouldn't buy a Filco, as I'd have to substitute in my Keycool set for most keys or the incoming Ducky set.
I would consider Filco if they sold a white aluminum case, though. TRON!
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:05:48
Ok!
im choose Filco FKBN104M/EB2
This is majestouch 2 mx brown US.
This is good choose?
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:09:13
Ducky makes outstanding keyboards just as good as any Filco. The main difference is costar stabilizers, but honestly I have never second guessed my cherry stabs. If cherry is good enough for the majority of $400+ custom korean mx boards, it's good enough for me.

What takes the cake in my book is the lack of a logo attached to the case. So ducky it is, regardless of backlighting.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:21:43
^
Good choice, though if you can afford $10 more I'd buy the Ninja version (front printed label).  It just looks cooler and comes with keycap puller.  :P

EDIT:  Didn't realize Lastpilot posted before me, but this was intended for the OP's comment about Filco Majestouch.


My friend owns a Ducky and Rosewill keyboard and he says it's sad that the cheaper keyboard (Rosewill) feels nicer to type on.

And Filco is better than Rosewill so therefore it's safe to assume Filco will feel nicer to type on than Ducky.

That and I own a Filco too.  It's the standard for solid construction no gimmick keyboard.

So the question is if you want a good solid keyboard or if you want pretty lights.

I think that you're not considering them fairly at all. First of all, all keyboards with plates feel extremely similar if not the same. Case construction might change that, but everything that isn't a Korean custom is plastic anyways. From all of the reviews I've read, the Ducky is always mentioned as very high build quality, quite heavy (whether this speaks to the double-layer PCB or just better case construction, I don't know), and the Ducky Yellow which recently came out has very thick PBT caps, much better than the often-complained-about thin ABS on the Filco.

Filco really doesn't live up to its hype. With Ducky, I don't mind paying $140 on a keyboard because it has solid construction, developed lighting, which actually took a lot of research, and is customizable. The Filco, in comparison, is a barebones, featureless keyboard; the same as a QFR, but at over double the price.

A better comparison would be if you want a tank or an Audi. Both are good choices.

Actually I'd agree with you on the build quality part, they're probably pretty close.

My friend's argument was mainly that Filco "feels" better to type on.  I'm guessing it's probably due to Costar stabilizer feel less scratchy compare to Cherry stabilizer.  He also doesn't like the fact that Ducky used MX Black for spacebar on his MX Red board.  Though that was for Ducky Shine 2 I don't know if Ducky still does this.

As for PBT keycaps, I guess you are right PBT does feel better.  Though in that case you're forced to buy Ducky G2 Pro over Shine 3.

However at the end of the day I think both are good keyboards, there's no right or wrong.  It's kind of like what would you "prefer" to buy.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Battou62 on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:22:44
My Ducky 2108 is more solid than the Rosewill and Leopold I have had in the past. I don't know if this quality carries over into the Shine series, but the 2108 is built like a tank.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:44:27
Actually I'd agree with you on the build quality part, they're probably pretty close.

My friend's argument was mainly that Filco "feels" better to type on.  I'm guessing it's probably due to Costar stabilizer feel less scratchy compare to Cherry stabilizer.  He also doesn't like the fact that Ducky used MX Black for spacebar on his MX Red board.  Though that was for Ducky Shine 2 I don't know if Ducky still does this.

As for PBT keycaps, I guess you are right PBT does feel better.  Though in that case you're forced to buy Ducky G2 Pro over Shine 3.

However at the end of the day I think both are good keyboards, there's no right or wrong.  It's kind of like what would you "prefer" to buy.

I agree, that would make sense indeed. As far as the Cherry stabilizers, I heard that Ducky made some 'improved' Cherry stabilizers. I've tried the Costar, actually, they're quite nice. Linear switches like Reds with Cherry just feel too squishy for my liking, but it doesn't bother me with Blues or Browns. It'll be nice to try the improved ones, because my main boards are both Cherry.

EDIT: Also, you don't have to get the Pro. Like I mentioned, the Yellow comes with probably the best stock keycaps of any keyboard on the market, thick PBT.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Keytrun on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:50:20
You can buy whatever board you want if you want PBT caps. You just buy them aftermarket.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Mon, 16 December 2013, 15:59:44
where I order only have ninja mx brown QWERTZ... Im need QWERTY.
This is shop.
http://www.getdigital.eu/Filco-Majestouch-Profi-Tastatur.html
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:08:26
You can buy whatever board you want if you want PBT caps. You just buy them aftermarket.

If you want to blow $70, sure. For many, getting the Yellow Shine 3 costs nearly nothing, because there's no really better keycap you can get that's 'better'. If you don't like the color, sure, but for most users, thick PBT is the best thing available. It's certainly the most expensive.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:18:16
where I order only have ninja mx brown QWERTZ... Im need QWERTY.
This is shop.
http://www.getdigital.eu/Filco-Majestouch-Profi-Tastatur.html

Where are you located at?

You can buy whatever board you want if you want PBT caps. You just buy them aftermarket.

If you want to blow $70, sure. For many, getting the Yellow Shine 3 costs nearly nothing, because there's no really better keycap you can get that's 'better'. If you don't like the color, sure, but for most users, thick PBT is the best thing available. It's certainly the most expensive.

lol yeah that edition is probably best for both worlds, thick PBT + backlit except it's..... yellow...... if it was white case blue LED then I'd buy it.  :P
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: domoaligato on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:19:27
Why you no like QFR? :D

I would choose a filco or a qfr (I have previously owned both) If I went back to TKL from 60%. which I will not go back.

This will give you the ability to do controller replacements or a phantom pcb.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:21:02
where I order only have ninja mx brown QWERTZ... Im need QWERTY.
This is shop.
http://www.getdigital.eu/Filco-Majestouch-Profi-Tastatur.html

Where are you located at?

You can buy whatever board you want if you want PBT caps. You just buy them aftermarket.

If you want to blow $70, sure. For many, getting the Yellow Shine 3 costs nearly nothing, because there's no really better keycap you can get that's 'better'. If you don't like the color, sure, but for most users, thick PBT is the best thing available. It's certainly the most expensive.

lol yeah that edition is probably best for both worlds, thick PBT + backlit except it's..... yellow...... if it was white case blue LED then I'd buy it.  :P

Nothing wrong with yellow :p
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:26:54
im from Poland,
shop in Germany.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: tns on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:34:47
I really like duckies... but Filco is "really" better
but if u like fancy lights and a little bit cheaper price u can easily go for duckies
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:44:36
guys, ninja is better?
this
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa-filco-ninja-majestouch-2-nkr-tactile-action-keyboard.asp
or this
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/filco-majestouch-2-nkr-tactile-action-usa-keyboard.asp
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 16 December 2013, 16:47:29
guys, ninja is better?
this
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa-filco-ninja-majestouch-2-nkr-tactile-action-keyboard.asp
or this
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/filco-majestouch-2-nkr-tactile-action-usa-keyboard.asp

The only difference is that on the ninja, the letter is printed on the front of the keycap, not the top.

It's not better for anything if you don't like that, but if you like the way it looks, go for it.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Arscon on Mon, 16 December 2013, 17:00:11
ok, im creat set.
This is good set?
I wonder if take the cable.
http://imageshack.us/f/198/dr2q.jpg/
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 December 2013, 17:17:08
ok, im creat set.
This is good set?
I wonder if take the cable.
http://imageshack.us/f/198/dr2q.jpg/

You need to disassamble the keyboard to fit that, which voids your warranty.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 16 December 2013, 17:28:59
ok, im creat set.
This is good set?
I wonder if take the cable.
http://imageshack.us/f/198/dr2q.jpg/

If you are getting the cable from Keyboardco.com (which it looks like you are) They will install it for you for a fee. You just need to email them and tell them that is what you want them to do.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Dongulator on Wed, 18 December 2013, 17:26:06
Filco for sure
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Canious on Thu, 19 December 2013, 22:34:03
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Thu, 19 December 2013, 22:45:41
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap

Have you ever tried a Ducky, by any chance? Because I very, very strongly doubt you'd feel that way if you did.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: terran5992 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 22:48:56
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap

Have you ever tried a Ducky, by any chance? Because I very, very strongly doubt you'd feel that way if you did.

Ive had a ducky and a filco

The only diff i felt was the stabalizers
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Thu, 19 December 2013, 22:54:39
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap

Have you ever tried a Ducky, by any chance? Because I very, very strongly doubt you'd feel that way if you did.

Ive had a ducky and a filco

The only diff i felt was the stabalizers

^^
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 19 December 2013, 23:10:09
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap

Have you ever tried a Ducky, by any chance? Because I very, very strongly doubt you'd feel that way if you did.


The only diff i felt was the stabalizers

I concur.    However I do use my Filco's more than my Ducky's.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: IPT on Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:19:42
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap

Have you ever tried a Ducky, by any chance? Because I very, very strongly doubt you'd feel that way if you did.

Ive had a ducky and a filco

The only diff i felt was the stabalizers

my ducky was lighter than my filco.
The ducky's about 2.8lbs while the filco clocks in around 3.6lbs.

I agree on the stabs feeling diff, but also the "feel" of the keyboards was different.  I think the rubber feet on the ducky aren't as "grippy" as the filco.

Course the ducky PBT caps are superior to Filco's ABS caps though.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 20 December 2013, 08:22:19
Experience will vary but most will agree that filco makes sturdy keyboard and most are content with the browns. I just feel like ducky's keyboards feel a little cheap

Have you ever tried a Ducky, by any chance? Because I very, very strongly doubt you'd feel that way if you did.

Ive had a ducky and a filco

The only diff i felt was the stabalizers

my ducky was lighter than my filco.
The ducky's about 2.8lbs while the filco clocks in around 3.6lbs.

I agree on the stabs feeling diff, but also the "feel" of the keyboards was different.  I think the rubber feet on the ducky aren't as "grippy" as the filco.

Course the ducky PBT caps are superior to Filco's ABS caps though.

Hmm never noticed that before. Both feel equally grippy
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Danule on Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:12:39
Anyone notice that ducky lubes their switches?  I have noticed this on 2 differnt ducky keyboards a brown and a black.  They felt super smooth compared to any other band new black or brown I have tried.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: dante on Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:28:31
If anyone is leaning towards Ducky but wants something cheaper without backlit and Tenkeyless - MechanicalKeyboards.com just got the 2087 Zero's in.  The stabilizers should feel much better than the ones in the Shine 2.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:32:53
If anyone is leaning towards Ducky but wants something cheaper without backlit and Tenkeyless - MechanicalKeyboards.com just got the 2087 Zero's in.  The stabilizers should feel much better than the ones in the Shine 2.

If only they had one with clears... :(
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: dante on Fri, 20 December 2013, 09:38:19
If anyone is leaning towards Ducky but wants something cheaper without backlit and Tenkeyless - MechanicalKeyboards.com just got the 2087 Zero's in.  The stabilizers should feel much better than the ones in the Shine 2.

If only they had one with clears... :(

Which baffles me.  Ducky has only sold MX Clears on the full size.  If the switches are that hard to acquire you'd think they'd stretch them out on TKL or 60% boards.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Fri, 20 December 2013, 13:14:52
If anyone is leaning towards Ducky but wants something cheaper without backlit and Tenkeyless - MechanicalKeyboards.com just got the 2087 Zero's in.  The stabilizers should feel much better than the ones in the Shine 2.

If only they had one with clears... :(

Which baffles me.  Ducky has only sold MX Clears on the full size.  If the switches are that hard to acquire you'd think they'd stretch them out on TKL or 60% boards.

I would theorize that they don't sell too many to laypersons who don't know what Clears are.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Tony on Sat, 21 December 2013, 11:11:47
I have typed on both and I think Filco is slightly better. For Ducky lighting led, you will enjoy it for a month only but the Filco typing feel you can enjoy much longer.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: ~OmIfan~ on Sun, 22 December 2013, 10:41:21
if you play cs:go. which is FPS game. you should buy the one with red switch, since you probably gonna double tap a lot. and if you don't need backlighting you should choose Filco
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Sun, 22 December 2013, 10:50:12
Depends on what you are after. If somehow backlight is important to you, the Ducky is more appealing. If, for example, you prefer Costar stabilizers, I would say the edge goes to the Filco. Personally I went with Filco when given the choice.

if you play cs:go. which is FPS game. you should buy the one with red switch, since you probably gonna double tap a lot. and if you don't need backlighting you should choose Filco

It is mostly just personal preference, and in no way do you need reds to perform well in CS:GO. Steelseries sponsored teams all use blacks (like NIP, f0rest, GeT_RiGhT) on the Steelseries mech keyboards (though truth be told, there is no way to tell whether they changed the switches). Yet others use different switches. Arguably the most dominant player ever in his prime used rubber dome.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: tbc on Sun, 22 December 2013, 20:58:49
My friend owns a Ducky and Rosewill keyboard and he says it's sad that the cheaper keyboard (Rosewill) feels nicer to type on.

And Filco is better than Rosewill so therefore it's safe to assume Filco will feel nicer to type on than Ducky.

That and I own a Filco too.  It's the standard for solid construction no gimmick keyboard.

So the question is if you want a good solid keyboard or if you want pretty lights.

I think that you're not considering them fairly at all. First of all, all keyboards with plates feel extremely similar if not the same. Case construction might change that, but everything that isn't a Korean custom is plastic anyways. From all of the reviews I've read, the Ducky is always mentioned as very high build quality, quite heavy (whether this speaks to the double-layer PCB or just better case construction, I don't know), and the Ducky Yellow which recently came out has very thick PBT caps, much better than the often-complained-about thin ABS on the Filco.

Filco really doesn't live up to its hype. With Ducky, I don't mind paying $140 on a keyboard because it has solid construction, developed lighting, which actually took a lot of research, and is customizable. The Filco, in comparison, is a barebones, featureless keyboard; the same as a QFR, but at over double the price.

A better comparison would be if you want a tank or an Audi. Both are good choices.

Remember this is geekhack, where usb ports are contraband and backlights are too hard to turn off.

Having extra features IS a sign of bad quality here.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 22 December 2013, 21:13:39
I have typed on both and I think Filco is slightly better. For Ducky lighting led, you will enjoy it for a month only but the Filco typing feel you can enjoy much longer.

How is the typing feel different? Does the typing actually feel different, or is it just a difference in feel of the keyboard chassis?
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: cinnamoncider on Sun, 22 December 2013, 21:30:12
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I have typed on both and I think Filco is slightly better. For Ducky lighting led, you will enjoy it for a month only but the Filco typing feel you can enjoy much longer.

How is the typing feel different? Does the typing actually feel different, or is it just a difference in feel of the keyboard chassis?
I don't see any difference in the feel/experience in typing in a Filco - they use coated ABS - the same with Ducky. Unless you're comparing two boards with different MX switches.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 22 December 2013, 21:41:35
Are you speaking from experience with actually typing on a Filco, or are you speaking hypothetically (ie. "I don't see why Filco would be any different")?
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Tony on Sun, 22 December 2013, 21:51:03
I have typed on both and I think Filco is slightly better. For Ducky lighting led, you will enjoy it for a month only but the Filco typing feel you can enjoy much longer.

How is the typing feel different? Does the typing actually feel different, or is it just a difference in feel of the keyboard chassis?

Filco typing feel is more delicate and simply amazing, while Ducky is a bit more coarse and not so good. I don't know whether it is a reason of chassis you mentioned.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 22 December 2013, 22:17:34
I see... yea, I have to assume it's the Costar (delicate) vs. Cherry (coarse) stabilizers you're seeing the differences in and referring to. If that's the case, I have no problem with Cherry stabilizers (I actually prefer them), so I guess I wouldn't mind a non-Filco board at all...
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: cinnamoncider on Mon, 23 December 2013, 01:01:39
Are you speaking from experience with actually typing on a Filco, or are you speaking hypothetically (ie. "I don't see why Filco would be any different")?
I own a DK9008S3 and tried a Filco. Almost feel the same - except for the stabilizers. If you don't want a LED backlit mkb - you could also try Ducky Zero to be on(almost) par with Filco's specs.

Also, I would also like to suggest you to check out WASD keyboards :)
*pushing a third option  :p
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Mon, 23 December 2013, 03:47:33
^ Thank you for the FYI. Would it be safe to say that the stabilizers are pretty much the ONLY difference? Or were there other differences as well?
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Tony on Mon, 23 December 2013, 04:17:39
I see... yea, I have to assume it's the Costar (delicate) vs. Cherry (coarse) stabilizers you're seeing the differences in and referring to. If that's the case, I have no problem with Cherry stabilizers (I actually prefer them), so I guess I wouldn't mind a non-Filco board at all...

The typing feel difference is clearly inherent in alphabetical keys which has no stabilizers at all. If you own both brands, you will understand what I mean without any intellectual rationalization from your part. You feel it.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Mon, 23 December 2013, 04:28:19
I see... yea, I have to assume it's the Costar (delicate) vs. Cherry (coarse) stabilizers you're seeing the differences in and referring to. If that's the case, I have no problem with Cherry stabilizers (I actually prefer them), so I guess I wouldn't mind a non-Filco board at all...

The typing feel difference is clearly inherent in alphabetical keys which has no stabilizers at all. If you own both brands, you will understand what I mean without any intellectual rationalization from your part. You feel it.

Oh, thanks for clearing up the fact that I was intellectually rationalizing. Maybe I will have to strongly consider a Filco after all!
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: amos5606 on Mon, 23 December 2013, 05:27:57
I think Filco is much better than ducky, I don't like the light  when I'm typing.
 :p
But, ducky is much more creative than filco.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: cinnamoncider on Mon, 23 December 2013, 06:40:16
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My friend owns a Ducky and Rosewill keyboard and he says it's sad that the cheaper keyboard (Rosewill) feels nicer to type on.

And Filco is better than Rosewill so therefore it's safe to assume Filco will feel nicer to type on than Ducky.

That and I own a Filco too.  It's the standard for solid construction no gimmick keyboard.

So the question is if you want a good solid keyboard or if you want pretty lights.

I think that you're not considering them fairly at all. First of all, all keyboards with plates feel extremely similar if not the same. Case construction might change that, but everything that isn't a Korean custom is plastic anyways. From all of the reviews I've read, the Ducky is always mentioned as very high build quality, quite heavy (whether this speaks to the double-layer PCB or just better case construction, I don't know), and the Ducky Yellow which recently came out has very thick PBT caps, much better than the often-complained-about thin ABS on the Filco.

Filco really doesn't live up to its hype. With Ducky, I don't mind paying $140 on a keyboard because it has solid construction, developed lighting, which actually took a lot of research, and is customizable. The Filco, in comparison, is a barebones, featureless keyboard; the same as a QFR, but at over double the price.

A better comparison would be if you want a tank or an Audi. Both are good choices.

Remember this is geekhack, where usb ports are contraband and backlights are too hard to turn off.

Having extra features IS a sign of bad quality here.
I would also like to add that having a huge price tag - doesn't mean high quality parts/build.
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Wildcard on Mon, 23 December 2013, 10:11:07
+1 for Filco
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: Linkbane on Mon, 23 December 2013, 14:34:15
My friend owns a Ducky and Rosewill keyboard and he says it's sad that the cheaper keyboard (Rosewill) feels nicer to type on.

And Filco is better than Rosewill so therefore it's safe to assume Filco will feel nicer to type on than Ducky.

That and I own a Filco too.  It's the standard for solid construction no gimmick keyboard.

So the question is if you want a good solid keyboard or if you want pretty lights.

I think that you're not considering them fairly at all. First of all, all keyboards with plates feel extremely similar if not the same. Case construction might change that, but everything that isn't a Korean custom is plastic anyways. From all of the reviews I've read, the Ducky is always mentioned as very high build quality, quite heavy (whether this speaks to the double-layer PCB or just better case construction, I don't know), and the Ducky Yellow which recently came out has very thick PBT caps, much better than the often-complained-about thin ABS on the Filco.

Filco really doesn't live up to its hype. With Ducky, I don't mind paying $140 on a keyboard because it has solid construction, developed lighting, which actually took a lot of research, and is customizable. The Filco, in comparison, is a barebones, featureless keyboard; the same as a QFR, but at over double the price.

A better comparison would be if you want a tank or an Audi. Both are good choices.

Remember this is geekhack, where usb ports are contraband and backlights are too hard to turn off.

Having extra features IS a sign of bad quality here.

+10
Title: Re: Filco or Ducky?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 23 December 2013, 16:08:51
I think Filco is much better than ducky, I don't like the light  when I'm typing.
 :p
But, ducky is much more creative than filco.


Welcome to Geekhack!

You can always turn the backlighting off, but then if you are going to keep it turned off you might as well get a board without backlighting.