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Title: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:12:42
This week's cast is now up!

CLICK HERE FOR LISTEN (http://thekeyboardlounge.com/gh-podcast-3/)

Or check us out on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/geekhack-podcasts/id776558870)!
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 17 December 2013, 21:30:32
hype = gotten
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:02:54
HANG THAT YULETIDE DUDES!! WE GONNA PCAST LIKE IT'S 1999

Did they (we) even have podcasts back in 1999?
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 17 December 2013, 22:06:07
if it's a multiple people thing like the first podcast and you need a +1 then i'll be here
doing nothing
bored
waiting to join in on a podcast

 :'(
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 18 December 2013, 00:46:58
MCs: KIRKLE, PHEDRAN

PEANUT GALLERY: BINGE, THE_BEAST, PHOTEKQ

INTERVIEWERS: MKAWA, CPTBADASS

INTERVIEWEE: DEMIK
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Sai on Wed, 18 December 2013, 00:49:01
oh demik's being interviewed ?  :))
i'll be looking forward to this podcast.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 18 December 2013, 00:50:36

PEANUT GALLERY

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 18 December 2013, 01:16:38
HOLY SHEEE, Phedran still exists?!

Also, I'm not invited?  That's cold.

I'm inviting myself even if I have to drive to someone's house that's on the call.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 December 2013, 01:28:17
I wat
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 18 December 2013, 01:32:21
I wat

I can't tell, I stopped reading after my name wasn't on the list.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 December 2013, 01:33:12
silence. silence everywhere!
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 18 December 2013, 01:51:50
I wat

I can't tell, I stopped reading after my name wasn't on the list.

Which means you made it all the way through the list.   :confused:

Edit: Also, I share tj's sentiments.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 18 December 2013, 03:55:13
Pretty excited to see what Demik has to talk about hopefully its not just ramblings :)
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 December 2013, 08:16:03
There will be much rambling. Mkawa and myself and Binge are on the call? THERE WILL BE MANY DERAILMENTS :P
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 08:22:25
demik has the worst accent I've ever heard
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 18 December 2013, 09:52:56
TJ is joining the peanut gallery IT IS OFFICIAL
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 December 2013, 10:23:52
demik has the worst accent I've ever heard
Yeah. Anyway, not sure if I'll make it in time now. Gotta make a delivery after work and traffic this close to the holidays is brutal.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 10:30:43
Quote from: SpAmRaY link=topic=52451.msg1163192#msg1163192 date=138737a6545
demik has the worst accent I've ever heard
Yeah. Anyway, not sure if I'll make it in time now. Gotta make a delivery after work and traffic this close to the holidays is brutal.


You have to be on there, your like the main character.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 10:47:24
Is there a link to this future podcast?
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:10:42
Is there a link to this future podcast?

http://thekeyboardlounge.com/
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: boost on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:12:28
orly!
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Phedran on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:50:50
HOLY SHEEE, Phedran still exists?!

I didn't know anybody missed me!

 :p
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:51:53
Quote from: SpAmRaY link=topic=52451.msg1163192#msg1163192 date=138737a6545
demik has the worst accent I've ever heard
Yeah. Anyway, not sure if I'll make it in time now. Gotta make a delivery after work and traffic this close to the holidays is brutal.


You have to be on there, your like the main character.

Not sure what you're expecting out of this. But I'm a ridiculously boring person. Still not sure why I deserve to be interviewed but eh, why not? It'll be short and sweet.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:53:42
You better hope it's not short demik, I'll force you to freestyle over some Wu beats.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:54:26
Quote from: SpAmRaY link=topic=52451.msg1163192#msg1163192 date=138737a6545
demik has the worst accent I've ever heard
Yeah. Anyway, not sure if I'll make it in time now. Gotta make a delivery after work and traffic this close to the holidays is brutal.


You have to be on there, your like the main character.

Not sure what you're expecting out of this. But I'm a ridiculously boring person. Still not sure why I deserve to be interviewed but eh, why not? It'll be short and sweet.

Well you got ming and anson on there to so I doubt you'll get to say much anyways.....
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:54:36
Sounds like a good one }:]
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 11:58:59
TJ is joining the peanut gallery IT IS OFFICIAL

remind him it's PG
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Wildcard on Wed, 18 December 2013, 12:01:10
Today's podcast has been sponsored by Mega Millions, you gotta play to win.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 18 December 2013, 12:16:03
fun
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 18 December 2013, 12:36:41
Since when did Ming start extorting the podcast and updating it with these new members? Next thing I know, he's going to suggest powdercoating the podcast and selling it.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 December 2013, 12:40:10
Since when did Ming start extorting the podcast and updating it with these new members? Next thing I know, he's going to suggest powdercoating the podcast and selling it.

Better than a nail polish painted/dipped podcast, no?
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 18 December 2013, 12:41:38
OH MY GOD

BEST IDEA EVER
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 18 December 2013, 12:42:01
There will be much rambling. Mkawa and myself and Binge are on the call? THERE WILL BE MANY DERAILMENTS :P

I bet I can keep things moving.

HOLY SHEEE, Phedran still exists?!

I didn't know anybody missed me!

 :p

TYL

TJ is joining the peanut gallery IT IS OFFICIAL

remind him it's PG

Excellent burn

Since when did Ming start extorting the podcast and updating it with these new members? Next thing I know, he's going to suggest powdercoating the podcast and selling it.

Not before sending it halfway across the country for modifications.
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: kmiller8 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 23:37:47
This week's cast is now up!

CLICK HERE FOR LISTEN (http://thekeyboardlounge.com/gh-podcast-3/)

Or check us out on iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/geekhack-podcasts/id776558870)!
Title: Re: CHRISTMAS GEEKHACK PODCAST TOMORROW, WED 7pm PST YAAAAA
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 19 December 2013, 00:44:18
Sweet def giving this a listen tomorrow.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: Wildcard on Thu, 19 December 2013, 10:51:42
Listening now

(http://i.imgur.com/DExUtVY.png)
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: oTurtlez on Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:24:35
I want in on one of these lol. I loved the first one with everyone in it. Prefer that format over one on one personally.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: kmiller8 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:32:19
I want in on one of these lol. I loved the first one with everyone in it. Prefer that format over one on one personally.

The one on one is more to showcase one specific person and things they're working on, I think it gives some good insight into people who usually are just behind a keyboard.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:40:26
I want in on one of these lol. I loved the first one with everyone in it. Prefer that format over one on one personally.

The one on one is more to showcase one specific person and things they're working on, I think it gives some good insight into people who usually are just behind a keyboard.

I want to be interviewed some day  :-X
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: AKIMbO on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:30:51
If demik doesn't sound like pedro from Napoleon dynamite I'm going to be upset.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:44:48
If demik doesn't sound like pedro from Napoleon dynamite I'm going to be upset.


don't listen then
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:50:52
I can't listen

EDIT:now it works :)
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: oTurtlez on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:54:26
I want in on one of these lol. I loved the first one with everyone in it. Prefer that format over one on one personally.

The one on one is more to showcase one specific person and things they're working on, I think it gives some good insight into people who usually are just behind a keyboard.

That's true. I did learn a decent amount about Bro Caps from the last one. Great work overall though!
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 December 2013, 12:57:33
That was an interesting podcast!  I agree about experimenting with different materials, and I too love natural wood varieties.  What I'd love to see is a wood "sheet" for a keyboard top (like instead of layering acrylic, bolt on a shaped piece of wood at the top of the case as a cover), something fairly dense with nice figure, and carved or burned with designs.  Or a fully carved wooden case made of 2 parts. 

Random samples from google image search (doesn't need to be that intricate, but just illustrating the endless possibilities):

(http://www.lowes.com/creative-ideas/images/2013_08/Fall_CI/woodburning-turntable-102057276-hero.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61ykerHJ6oL.jpg)
(http://www.amillionlives.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Wood-Carving-Patterns.jpg)

Add colorful stains, like blue or black/gray, and various oils and finishes. 

Alternatively, tooled leather bolted on at the top with some aged looking bolts.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:28:08
As a maker, I really loved this podcast, all about making stuff, I just wanted to jump into the discussion, so much. One day, one day.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 December 2013, 14:44:14
Nice one! I also appreciated the discussion on customs. As a maker and designer, I like hearing what people want, rather than just what I myself personally want.

Good job trying to rein in ming, when he got to talking about woods, finishes, and DeLoreans. We all know how ming loves to talk. ;D
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: JPG on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:12:46
Can anyone link me that thing that could convert an F switch to a digital switch? Or put the right name in text at least? That thing sounds so promising (probably cost too much but still).
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: JPG on Thu, 19 December 2013, 15:57:49
Can anyone link me that thing that could convert an F switch to a digital switch? Or put the right name in text at least? That thing sounds so promising (probably cost too much but still).


OK, might have found it: [size=78%]http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD7147A.pdf (http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD7147A.pdf)[/size]


If I look at that thing, the only concern would be the delay. Depending on the value I look at, the conversion delay would be somewhere between 3 ms to 200+ms. Anyone know how to read this paper and get a "real life" delay out of it?


Nice thing is that it seems you can plug like 13 switch on 1 of these, so it could be reasonably priced for a whole keyboard.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: epzy on Fri, 20 December 2013, 13:45:44
Sometime during the podcast I heard someone typing on a keyboard, whoever it was, can you tell me which keyboard/switches you were using? :P
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: kmiller8 on Fri, 20 December 2013, 14:03:45
Sometime during the podcast I heard someone typing on a keyboard, whoever it was, can you tell me which keyboard/switches you were using? :P

If it was me, It would have been a Cooler Master QuickFire TK with MX Blues.
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: epzy on Fri, 20 December 2013, 14:09:00
Oh, ok. I've actually had one of those, just sounded so differently in the podcast :P
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 22 December 2013, 20:30:37
Can anyone link me that thing that could convert an F switch to a digital switch? Or put the right name in text at least? That thing sounds so promising (probably cost too much but still).


OK, might have found it: [size=78%]http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD7147A.pdf (http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD7147A.pdf)[/size]


If I look at that thing, the only concern would be the delay. Depending on the value I look at, the conversion delay would be somewhere between 3 ms to 200+ms. Anyone know how to read this paper and get a "real life" delay out of it?


Nice thing is that it seems you can plug like 13 switch on 1 of these, so it could be reasonably priced for a whole keyboard.
the problem with this is that it's a capacitance _encoder_ not a capacitive switch detector. it's also too big for a single switch. this IC is for capactive touchscreens. the idea is that you segment your screen into sections and it digitall encodes the amount of pressure a user is putting on each section of the screen. hence, it's quite slow to update, because you don't need instantaneous or event-based scanning in this application.

my preference for capacitive switches is an IC that's extremely simple. ideally you would simply hand it a logic level voltage source and it would supply AC voltage to the capacitor/switch. when the frequency of the switch changed above a given amped threshold (because we're talking very very small capacitance values here) it would inject a single binary value into a bus or crossbar or switch matrix or something. this kind of IC would hopefully be very very small; internally, all i'm asking for is a something that's a bit like 2 opamps in a bipolar topology. this is really really to fit in an soic-8 form factor.

i do know such ICs exist; the touch sensors on eg my dell monitor almost certainly use such a chip. i haven't really done enough research to figure out what the best/cheapest options are though, since a) dfj and xwhatsit are making incredibly good progress on the problem, and b) i have way too many other things on my plate. it would necessarily have to come after getting a small production line up for the SSKrs (maybe 4-5 a month). however, i totally invite you to take a look at dfj and xwhatsit's work and ask yourself a couple questions:

can i find an IC that amplifies this signal cleanly enough that i can distinguish between off and on states? for example, the standard 8-bit micros we use; the avr series and the freescale 6800 socs all have very crude ADCs (you need a 2-bit ADC so not a problem) and acmps on them/

once you can distinguish between off and on states, you need to not only put a basic schem together for, let's say, a 10 key numpad, but, and this is a verification step for your solution to the last problem, can you actually lay this out on a PCB with a standard switch device matrix on it?
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 22 December 2013, 20:33:29
Nice one! I also appreciated the discussion on customs. As a maker and designer, I like hearing what people want, rather than just what I myself personally want.

Good job trying to rein in ming, when he got to talking about woods, finishes, and DeLoreans. We all know how ming loves to talk. ;D
i prefer the phrase 'very easily bored'
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 22 December 2013, 22:02:03
Officially out of the Podcast crew for liking iOS 6  :(

I was an OG member too...
Title: Re: Geekhackin' #3 - crazy custom keyboards
Post by: kmiller8 on Sun, 22 December 2013, 22:22:30
Officially out of the Podcast crew for liking iOS 6  :(

I was an OG member too...

rip in peace