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Title: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: JPG on Wed, 18 December 2013, 15:36:19: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-IBM-Model-M-Buckling-Spring-Clicky-Keyboard-may181992-1397661-/201006388518 (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-IBM-Model-M-Buckling-Spring-Clicky-Keyboard-may181992-1397661-/201006388518)

Model M 3$ starting bid

Shipping too high for me, don't know how much it will end at, but could be a nice opportunity for someone if they can snipe it.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 18 December 2013, 15:37:17: i call snipes
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: JimByr on Wed, 18 December 2013, 15:55:28: What's a 1397661? It's not in the wiki.

Ah. OK. ClickyKeyboards says it is identical to a 1391401. And someone on GH got one that differs from a 1391401. :-[
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 December 2013, 16:00:16: According to http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9229/subcatid/0/id/132172

it's identical to 1391401
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: regack on Wed, 18 December 2013, 16:02:21: Ha, when it said missing 1 key, I thought it would be just the cap, not the whole key... I don't think I need another Model M... but it's tempting to try for it anyway...
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: xmagusx on Wed, 18 December 2013, 16:20:54: At least you know for sure it's not a rubber dome. ;D
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 December 2013, 20:55:55: shipping is ludicrous.

maybe he hasn't heard that ebay charges full fees on shipping, too
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 26 December 2013, 20:08:05: **** i forgot to bid....
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 26 December 2013, 20:17:21: I won it. No bidding in the last 3 days… forgot about it, really. $23 after shipping.

You could've easily sniped it, Pacifist. My max was super low.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 26 December 2013, 20:22:53: I ****IN FORGOT ABOUT IT

SCREW WEEK LONG AUCTIONS
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: JPG on Thu, 26 December 2013, 20:23:08: Happy that one of you got it!

Payback for the one posting my F :thumb:
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 06:29:55: Quote from: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 December 2013, 20:55:55
shipping is ludicrous.

maybe he hasn't heard that ebay charges full fees on shipping, too

$17 US shipping for a Model M is "ludicrous"? Oh how I envy the cheap American shipping. Remember when you said this thing would cost $54 to ship US to Canada?:
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51828.0;attach=46816;image)

Now that's what I'd call ludicrous.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 08:36:47: Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 06:29:55

$17 US shipping for a Model M is "ludicrous"? Oh how I envy the cheap American shipping. Remember when you said this thing would cost $54 to ship US to Canada?:

What? No.

$54 is what it costs to ship a Model F keyboard from the US to Canada via Priority Mail.

That converter would go in a small box or padded envelope for $10-12 or so.

$17 is the domestic US price for a large flat rate Priority game board box. I once shipped a Model M in one and it was delivered from Georgia to Alaska in just under 72 hours, but from Atlanta to Toronto a similar board cost $54 and took almost 2 weeks. Go figure.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18: Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: osi on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:23:24: Great pickup -- especially after posting it geekhack!! :D
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:25:02: Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

The small flat rate box, which is about the size of a VHS tape, goes for $20, so any handful of "small" stuff that fits in there should be OK.

Only envelopes go for "cheap" prices, and if they have "lumps" over 3/4" thick or are rigid overall, many PO clerks will price them as parcels anyway.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:32:35: Quote from: osi on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:23:24
Great pickup -- especially after posting it geekhack!! :D

Yes, you'd think it would go for at least triple that (or quadruple) after being posted here. There are some days when you get extremely lucky - when people are distracted and nobody is paying attention. It's not a record though. I won a 1991 Model M a few years ago (perfect condition) for just $4. I couldn't believe it. That one wasn't posted on Geekhack though.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 27 December 2013, 10:10:26: Quote from: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:25:02
Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

The small flat rate box, which is about the size of a VHS tape, goes for $20, so any handful of "small" stuff that fits in there should be OK.

Only envelopes go for "cheap" prices, and if they have "lumps" over 3/4" thick or are rigid overall, many PO clerks will price them as parcels anyway.

VHS tape? What's that?

Just kidding.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 15:34:54: Quote from: prdlm2009 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 10:10:26

VHS tape? What's that?

Approximately half again as long and as thick as an 8-track.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 15:51:57: Quote from: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 15:34:54
Quote from: prdlm2009 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 10:10:26

VHS tape? What's that?

Approximately half again as long and as thick as an 8-track.

I imagine he'll be checking Wikipedia to see what 8-track is. ;)

I remember when cars had 8-track. Those damn things always ended up chewing and spitting out tape. I also remember people would throw extra tapes in the glove compartment and the tape would always end up snagging on something and unreel.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 27 December 2013, 16:03:49: Quote from: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 15:34:54
Quote from: prdlm2009 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 10:10:26

VHS tape? What's that?

Approximately half again as long and as thick as an 8-track.

Are these things available for viewing at the Smithsonian?

One of my roommates was cleaning out her stuff. We found some 8-tracks laying around. Some good ones, too.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:47:15: Quote from: prdlm2009 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 16:03:49
We found some 8-tracks laying around. Some good ones, too.

8-tracks had pretty good fidelity since they were twice as wide as cassettes and spun twice as fast.

The big problem, today, is that most of them had a block of foam rubber to press the tape against the head, and the foam has deteriorated. Some had little felt pads on metal leaf springs, and they age a lot better.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42: Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
Show Image
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)

I don't know what parts required 28$ shipping, but I ordered all of mine on ebay (all from China I think) and they cost me like 10$ total, shipping included. I just hope they will all work, but I think they should. I just don't know how they manage to get a female din plug sent to Canada from China for 1$. Sending a letter cost me like 80 cents, and only if it's inside Canada.

Also, if you are patient, you can get a keyboard (model M, even a F122 size) for 15$ shipping from some suppliers in the US (they are often from Texas). They must be big suppliers with way better shipping fees.

This one is 14$ + 34$ shipping (not that bad) : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1390876-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-5-Pin-Round-Connector-/331092814449

And this one is 10$ + 33$ shipping : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1394012-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-Ethernet-RJ45-Style-Connector-/331092814134

And you can maybe get better. The prices are the actual prices, but with good sniping skills you could maybe get one for less than 50$ shipped. You can also be more patient and get a better price or a more local one. I was lucky enough to find an F for 30$ + 15$ shipping since it was local for me (and far for everyone else haha).
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 27 December 2013, 20:17:48: Quote from: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42
Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
Show Image
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)

I don't know what parts required 28$ shipping, but I ordered all of mine on ebay (all from China I think) and they cost me like 10$ total, shipping included. I just hope they will all work, but I think they should. I just don't know how they manage to get a female din plug sent to Canada from China for 1$. Sending a letter cost me like 80 cents, and only if it's inside Canada.

Also, if you are patient, you can get a keyboard (model M, even a F122 size) for 15$ shipping from some suppliers in the US (they are often from Texas). They must be big suppliers with way better shipping fees.

This one is 14$ + 34$ shipping (not that bad) : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1390876-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-5-Pin-Round-Connector-/331092814449

And this one is 10$ + 33$ shipping : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1394012-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-Ethernet-RJ45-Style-Connector-/331092814134

And you can maybe get better. The prices are the actual prices, but with good sniping skills you could maybe get one for less than 50$ shipped. You can also be more patient and get a better price or a more local one. I was lucky enough to find an F for 30$ + 15$ shipping since it was local for me (and far for everyone else haha).

know any cheap f's?
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 December 2013, 20:55:07: Quote from: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42
to Canada from China for 1$.

The exchange rate is beyond understanding.

I can't send a thick letter to China for $2, but they can send me a USB cable for that price and still make a profit on the transaction.

Realistically, multiply your $ by at least 4x and maybe by 10x and that is what it is actually worth to them.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: JPG on Sat, 28 December 2013, 16:11:33: Quote from: Pacifist on Fri, 27 December 2013, 20:17:48
Quote from: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42
Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
Show Image
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)

I don't know what parts required 28$ shipping, but I ordered all of mine on ebay (all from China I think) and they cost me like 10$ total, shipping included. I just hope they will all work, but I think they should. I just don't know how they manage to get a female din plug sent to Canada from China for 1$. Sending a letter cost me like 80 cents, and only if it's inside Canada.

Also, if you are patient, you can get a keyboard (model M, even a F122 size) for 15$ shipping from some suppliers in the US (they are often from Texas). They must be big suppliers with way better shipping fees.

This one is 14$ + 34$ shipping (not that bad) : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1390876-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-5-Pin-Round-Connector-/331092814449

And this one is 10$ + 33$ shipping : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1394012-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-Ethernet-RJ45-Style-Connector-/331092814134

And you can maybe get better. The prices are the actual prices, but with good sniping skills you could maybe get one for less than 50$ shipped. You can also be more patient and get a better price or a more local one. I was lucky enough to find an F for 30$ + 15$ shipping since it was local for me (and far for everyone else haha).

know any cheap f's?

Sadly no, and if I did, I am still looking for another one since I am in love with mine (even if I need to build a converter and make the spacebar less stiff). But for my next I will be more picky on the layout, poor wallet. Still, the XT I got could be used since even if the layout is not so nice, I think it won't be that bad once I remap the keys with the converter. Only the spacebar will be odd (and maybe left shift, but less I think).

But if I find 2 F or one I don't want I will post it! In fact, there are 2 F for sale on ebay (that I saw recently), but both are XT and at least 100$, so quite more than what they are worth I think. If you still want the links, pm me.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 29 December 2013, 00:12:06: Quote from: JPG on Sat, 28 December 2013, 16:11:33
Quote from: Pacifist on Fri, 27 December 2013, 20:17:48
Quote from: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42
Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
Show Image
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)

I don't know what parts required 28$ shipping, but I ordered all of mine on ebay (all from China I think) and they cost me like 10$ total, shipping included. I just hope they will all work, but I think they should. I just don't know how they manage to get a female din plug sent to Canada from China for 1$. Sending a letter cost me like 80 cents, and only if it's inside Canada.

Also, if you are patient, you can get a keyboard (model M, even a F122 size) for 15$ shipping from some suppliers in the US (they are often from Texas). They must be big suppliers with way better shipping fees.

This one is 14$ + 34$ shipping (not that bad) : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1390876-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-5-Pin-Round-Connector-/331092814449

And this one is 10$ + 33$ shipping : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1394012-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-Ethernet-RJ45-Style-Connector-/331092814134

And you can maybe get better. The prices are the actual prices, but with good sniping skills you could maybe get one for less than 50$ shipped. You can also be more patient and get a better price or a more local one. I was lucky enough to find an F for 30$ + 15$ shipping since it was local for me (and far for everyone else haha).

know any cheap f's?

Sadly no, and if I did, I am still looking for another one since I am in love with mine (even if I need to build a converter and make the spacebar less stiff). But for my next I will be more picky on the layout, poor wallet. Still, the XT I got could be used since even if the layout is not so nice, I think it won't be that bad once I remap the keys with the converter. Only the spacebar will be odd (and maybe left shift, but less I think).

But if I find 2 F or one I don't want I will post it! In fact, there are 2 F for sale on ebay (that I saw recently), but both are XT and at least 100$, so quite more than what they are worth I think. If you still want the links, pm me.

going to try to snag that 122 you linked, so no f for now.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: RESPRiT on Sun, 29 December 2013, 11:15:59: Quote from: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42
Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
Show Image
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)

I don't know what parts required 28$ shipping, but I ordered all of mine on ebay (all from China I think) and they cost me like 10$ total, shipping included. I just hope they will all work, but I think they should. I just don't know how they manage to get a female din plug sent to Canada from China for 1$. Sending a letter cost me like 80 cents, and only if it's inside Canada.

Also, if you are patient, you can get a keyboard (model M, even a F122 size) for 15$ shipping from some suppliers in the US (they are often from Texas). They must be big suppliers with way better shipping fees.

This one is 14$ + 34$ shipping (not that bad) : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1390876-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-5-Pin-Round-Connector-/331092814449

And this one is 10$ + 33$ shipping : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1394012-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-Ethernet-RJ45-Style-Connector-/331092814134

And you can maybe get better. The prices are the actual prices, but with good sniping skills you could maybe get one for less than 50$ shipped. You can also be more patient and get a better price or a more local one. I was lucky enough to find an F for 30$ + 15$ shipping since it was local for me (and far for everyone else haha).

The first one is 5-pin, is that very easy to use with a modern PC? And for the second one, aren't RJ45 Model M's hard to convert to PS/2?
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 December 2013, 12:25:11: Quote from: RESPRiT on Sun, 29 December 2013, 11:15:59
The first one is 5-pin, is that very easy to use with a modern PC? And for the second one, aren't RJ45 Model M's hard to convert to PS/2?

I think that you are going to need a Teensy for any of them.
Title: Re: Model M 3$ starting bid
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 29 December 2013, 14:11:41: Quote from: RESPRiT on Sun, 29 December 2013, 11:15:59
Quote from: JPG on Fri, 27 December 2013, 18:58:42
Quote from: mr_a500 on Fri, 27 December 2013, 09:11:18
Oh, whew. I thought you were talking about that box. I tried to get parts for my 5155 adapter this week and they wanted $28 to ship a tiny adapter plug to Canada.

I'd consider 2 weeks shipping from US to Canada as "unusually fast". It usually takes 3 weeks. The average from the UK is just over a week. I received something shipped from China in 4 days! The US-Canada delay us usually much worse when going through Florida. I've seen tracking showing my packages stuck there for over a week. I bet they dump all the Canada packages in the "low priority" section. It's pretty annoying paying $60 to ship a keyboard, then waiting 3 weeks for it.

I should start a whole thread about ludicrous shipping from US to Canada - starting with this classic:
Show Image
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3589/whati.png)

I don't know what parts required 28$ shipping, but I ordered all of mine on ebay (all from China I think) and they cost me like 10$ total, shipping included. I just hope they will all work, but I think they should. I just don't know how they manage to get a female din plug sent to Canada from China for 1$. Sending a letter cost me like 80 cents, and only if it's inside Canada.

Also, if you are patient, you can get a keyboard (model M, even a F122 size) for 15$ shipping from some suppliers in the US (they are often from Texas). They must be big suppliers with way better shipping fees.

This one is 14$ + 34$ shipping (not that bad) : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1390876-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-5-Pin-Round-Connector-/331092814449

And this one is 10$ + 33$ shipping : http://www.ebay.ca/itm/IBM-1394012-Keyboard-Model-M-Clicky-Ethernet-RJ45-Style-Connector-/331092814134

And you can maybe get better. The prices are the actual prices, but with good sniping skills you could maybe get one for less than 50$ shipped. You can also be more patient and get a better price or a more local one. I was lucky enough to find an F for 30$ + 15$ shipping since it was local for me (and far for everyone else haha).

The first one is 5-pin, is that very easy to use with a modern PC? And for the second one, aren't RJ45 Model M's hard to convert to PS/2?

I'm warning you I put a pretty high snipe bid on the 122 key, so if you want a M go for the second one

and both require teensy