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Title: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: kmiller8 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 20:40:52
serious answers only pls
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 18 December 2013, 20:57:45
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44077.0

also
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52020.0
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: kmiller8 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 20:59:51
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44077.0

that didn't help. you're useless.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:00:49
Its not....
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 December 2013, 21:12:38
porn is better than all three
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:13:48
porn is better than all three

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/e111de78.gif)
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:45:47
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:50:56
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: demik on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:51:59
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.

he tries hard to act "dumb" for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:52:07
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.

how can pom be better than pom?
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 18 December 2013, 22:59:39
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.

how can pom be better than pom?

Read more closely, Canceler.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 18 December 2013, 23:02:35
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.

how can pom be better than pom?

Read more closely, Canceler.

0.0 rn looks so much like m

Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 18 December 2013, 23:05:14
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.

how can pom be better than pom?

Read more closely, Canceler.

0.0 rn looks so much like m



There is a passing resemblance.  You may find it was deliberate.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 19 December 2013, 00:59:12
porn is better than all three

all three? Don't you mean the other two?
He means porn is better than PBT, ABS and POM.

how can pom be better than pom?

HAHAHAHAHA YOU MADE A KERNING JOKE!
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:38:31
One word: Density...
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:43:20
get bsp to dyesub pom, or get gmk to doubleshot it and then i'll consider it :))
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:50:54
POM is made from the juice of pomegranates, I think.  Pomegranates have polyphenol antioxidants, which are healthy.  And that's why POM keycaps are so sweet and delicious.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:54:26
serious answers only pls

I think ABS, POM and PBT all have pros and cons.
If you prefer something with very low friction, then POM is your choice.
I think this thread already explained about the coefficient of friction ABS vs PBT vs POM
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46278.0
This table

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46278.0;attach=29620;image)

can explain to us why we feel slippery when we type on POM
Personally, I think this is rather personal preference than which one is the best.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:55:34
serious answers only pls

I think ABS, POM and PBT all have pros and cons.
If you prefer something with very low friction, then POM is your choice.
I think this thread already explained about the coefficient of friction ABS vs PBT vs POM
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46278.0
This table

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46278.0;attach=29620;image)


can explain to us why we feel slippery when we type on POM
Personally, I think this is rather personal preference than which one is the best.

Are you sure it's not the polyphenol antioxidants?
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 02:01:12
serious answers only pls

I think ABS, POM and PBT all have pros and cons.
If you prefer something with very low friction, then POM is your choice.
I think this thread already explained about the coefficient of friction ABS vs PBT vs POM
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46278.0
This table

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46278.0;attach=29620;image)


can explain to us why we feel slippery when we type on POM
Personally, I think this is rather personal preference than which one is the best.

Are you sure it's not the polyphenol antioxidants?

No, I am not sure about that.
I'm also not sure which one has been used on Cherry POM keycap, Noppo Choc and Bangood.

According to this wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene)
POM has "slightly different formulas and sold variously by such names as Delrin, Celcon, Duracon and Hostaform"

For Cherry switch stem, one said it is Delrin, but I'm not sure about the others.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 19 December 2013, 02:08:46
serious answers only pls

I think ABS, POM and PBT all have pros and cons.
If you prefer something with very low friction, then POM is your choice.
I think this thread already explained about the coefficient of friction ABS vs PBT vs POM
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46278.0
This table

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46278.0;attach=29620;image)


can explain to us why we feel slippery when we type on POM
Personally, I think this is rather personal preference than which one is the best.

Are you sure it's not the polyphenol antioxidants?

No, I am not sure about that.
I'm also not sure which one has been used on Cherry POM keycap, Noppo Choc and Bangood.

According to this wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene)
POM has "slightly different formulas and sold variously by such names as Delrin, Celcon, Duracon and Hostaform"

For Cherry switch stem, one said it is Delrin, but I'm not sure about the others.

lol.  I was making a joke.   Polyphenol antioxidants occur in healthy foods like pomegranates.  POM is a brand of Pomegranate Juice in the USA.  It was not a great joke, but what can I say, it's 3 a.m. 

Anyway, your chart about plastics is actually very interesting, and the lower coefficient of friction for POM explains why they have that POM feeling, which I really like.  They feel "faster" and "harder" to me for some reason.  I just like POM.  The only thing I don't like is the in-filled letters you get with POM.  It's not the worst thing, but the little bump detracts from the cool slickness of the POM.  POM blanks would be the best.   
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: iri on Thu, 19 December 2013, 02:45:22
shut up pom is yucky
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 02:50:08
lol.  I was making a joke.   Polyphenol antioxidants occur in healthy foods like pomegranates.  POM is a brand of Pomegranate Juice in the USA.  It was not a great joke, but what can I say, it's 3 a.m. 

Anyway, your chart about plastics is actually very interesting, and the lower coefficient of friction for POM explains why they have that POM feeling, which I really like.  They feel "faster" and "harder" to me for some reason.  I just like POM.  The only thing I don't like is the in-filled letters you get with POM.  It's not the worst thing, but the little bump detracts from the cool slickness of the POM.  POM blanks would be the best.
lol, sorry, I didn't get your joke, it's supposed to be funny  :))

just to mention that the chart belongs to rjrich in this thread : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46278.0
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 19 December 2013, 02:50:58
POM is like typing on sweaty armpits.  I don't like my keys to be self-greasing, I would much rather season them myself over time with delicious fingertip run-off.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 19 December 2013, 03:01:17
Disclaimer: I use blanks only, so I only compare the materials, not the printing methods.

1. Dense (so the caps are heavier than other material caps)
2. Sound better when bottoming out (more "thocky" than other materials)
3. Fast to type on (the "slipperiness" somehow helps).

Feels the best to me of all the keycaps materials I have tried (ABS, PBT, POM).

4. Makes the keyboard feel like a high quality supercar :D

Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: iri on Thu, 19 December 2013, 03:04:38
PBT Feels the best to me of all the keycaps materials I have tried (ABS, PBT, POM).

4. PBT Makes the keyboard feel like a high quality supercar :D
ftfy
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 19 December 2013, 03:40:07
porn is better than all three

Damnit demik, now I'm going to be reading that as "porn" keycaps everyone I see it! (in lowercase, at least; doesn't work as well in uppercase)
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 December 2013, 07:58:45
POM is like typing on sweaty armpits.  I don't like my keys to be self-greasing, I would much rather season them myself over time with delicious fingertip run-off.

finally an explanation for that 'wet' feeling everyone says pom has
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 December 2013, 08:54:50
POM is like typing on sweaty armpits.  I don't like my keys to be self-greasing, I would much rather season them myself over time with delicious fingertip run-off.

finally an explanation for that 'wet' feeling everyone says pom has

is it really self greasing.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: C5Allroad on Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:24:13
Well there go the serious answers lol.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 19 December 2013, 16:38:06
Disclaimer: I use blanks only, so I only compare the materials, not the printing methods.

1. Dense (so the caps are heavier than other material caps)
2. Sound better when bottoming out (more "thocky" than other materials)
3. Fast to type on (the "slipperiness" somehow helps).

Feels the best to me of all the keycaps materials I have tried (ABS, PBT, POM).

4. Makes the keyboard feel like a high quality supercar :D



^ +1 to this.  POM feels better.  I wish I still used MX, b/c I would get me some of those POM blanks.  POM does not feel "greasy" like shiny ABS, which feels gross.  POM feels "wet", but in a good way.  I dunno how to describe it any better.  And that wet POM feeling does make it seem like you're typing faster.  I dunno why that is either.  Probably need a neuro-psychologist to explain it. 
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: adhoc on Fri, 20 December 2013, 01:57:16
POM MASTER RACE REPORTING IN (<--- NOT CAPS, IT'S SHIFT)!

Ask me anything.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: bueller on Fri, 20 December 2013, 04:36:00
Good god. Its like Reddit in here.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 20 December 2013, 05:05:40
Good god. Its like Reddit in here.

<dramatic tone>

POM POM POOOOOMMM!

</dramatic tone>
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 December 2013, 16:07:16
Cleaned up the thread a bit.

Remember the TOS, everyone (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39249.0):

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Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: iri on Fri, 20 December 2013, 16:29:06
that is so nazi :(

however, here is a picture of my workhorse keyboard with kbc pom keycaps. and an axe. ya'll know i always have an axe with me.

(http://cs408218.vk.me/v408218724/4c8b/YVQZ6IJVGOg.jpg)
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 20 December 2013, 16:35:29
ya'll know i always have an axe with me.

You?

(http://i.imgur.com/0CtoZ9R.gif)
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: adhoc on Fri, 20 December 2013, 18:54:24
Cleaned up the thread a bit.

Remember the TOS, everyone (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39249.0):

Quote
Inappropriate Language - GeekHack forums are family-friendly.  Many members have children who also view these forums, and these forums are intended to be accommodating to them, as well.  Profanity is not permitted in pictures or posts on the forums and will earn a warning if posted. Discussion of bodily functions, whether vulgar or humorous, is inappropriate for these forums.  Moreover, using acronyms, swapping characters, or slightly changing the word to mask profanity or other inappropriate language will not be tolerated.  This applies to text, pictures, videos, or any external links contained in a post.  Finally, users whose usernames containing inappropriate language or references to illegal activity will be given a chance to change their username, or it will be changed for them.

Sorry for being a burden! I just thought it's ok, since it's the off topic section of the forum.

POM and PBT are both great in their own way, that's really my opinion. I simply can't say which I prefer, I find both of them great to type on. POM is near frictionless while PBT has some friction..
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: eddie on Fri, 20 December 2013, 19:01:13
ya'll know i always have an axe with me.

You?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0CtoZ9R.gif)

Oh my God
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 21 December 2013, 00:46:02
that is so nazi :(

however, here is a picture of my workhorse keyboard with kbc pom keycaps. and an axe. ya'll know i always have an axe with me.

Show Image
(http://cs408218.vk.me/v408218724/4c8b/YVQZ6IJVGOg.jpg)


Most of us just carry a keycap puller around with us :))
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: iri on Sat, 21 December 2013, 14:30:55
ya'll know i always have an axe with me.

You?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0CtoZ9R.gif)

i've got a normal motorcycle
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 21 December 2013, 15:32:20
ya'll know i always have an axe with me.

You?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/0CtoZ9R.gif)


My kid saw this menacing axe murderer video and is having nightmares.  Please delete it as inappropriate for children.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 21 December 2013, 22:47:42
Having now typed on POM, I can say that it is really nice.

Do I think that it's better than ABS or PBT?

Not really. I like all 3 equally.
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: bazh on Sun, 22 December 2013, 02:35:04
I have a POM rainbow set like the one up there, I like the sound it makes when typing on and the hardness of the caps but when I have to get the keycaps out, it's a nightmare though, I don't know it's just me or the POM makes it so hard to pull the keycaps out :( anyway, I like POM over ABS :p
Title: Re: Why is POM better than ABS and PBT?
Post by: adhoc on Sun, 22 December 2013, 05:26:46
Having now typed on POM, I can say that it is really nice.

Do I think that it's better than ABS or PBT?

Not really. I like all 3 equally.

Same. Well I'm not too enthusiastic over ABS but PBT vs POM - they're both great in my opinion.