WASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.htmlQuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.
The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??
let the kids who get free lunch pick up trash. that's only fair
let the kids who get free lunch pick up trash. that's only fair
you know you can edit your posts right?
It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.Giving the rich kids a free pass by making them pay. Uhm...
It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.Giving the rich kids a free pass by making them pay. Uhm...
Yeah, I know, but I thought that paying being considered a free pass is silly logic. I'd sort of consider working a free pass.It's okay if all the kids had to work for their food. Can't be giving rich kids a free pass.Giving the rich kids a free pass by making them pay. Uhm...
No, they would have to work, too. Can't buy their way out.
No, what they should do is this:
All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.
Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
Hungry games?No, what they should do is this:
All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.
Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
Wait a minute....
Hungry games?No, what they should do is this:
All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.
Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
Wait a minute....
Hungry games?No, what they should do is this:
All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.
Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
Wait a minute....
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Hungry games?No, what they should do is this:
All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.
Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
Wait a minute....
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Hungry games?No, what they should do is this:
All children receive the free lunch, but all have to work.
Once a year, each classroom has to send two students, a male and a female, as tributes. These tributes would compete in some sort of competition, preferably to the death.
Wait a minute....
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Pacifist I thought you were just annoying at first. Now I see your just entitled dumb ****.
considering it isn't really on topic.
I'm talking about his stupid reasons why he backs this up.Pacifist I thought you were just annoying at first. Now I see your just entitled dumb ****.
I think this is more PM material, considering it isn't really on topic.
I think hashbaz is right. Having people rely on getting stuff for free isn't going to do them any good, and could be very bad for them later on. However, I think all this would earn the school system would be lawsuits from the people who think they're entitled to get free things.
I would like to see schools put in a discounted meal rather than a free meal, if they want to do something about it.
The idea of giving kids a work ethic is a great idea, but I think ALL of the kids who have been given everything by mommy and daddy need to sweep some floors also.
Moronic idea. Last thing you want to be encouraging in school in segregation of different social strata, stigmatising one group, causing resentment of another, and as someone already said all the kids are essentially getting "free" lunches, the difference is who is paying for it - their parents or the state, but the end result to the individual kid is the same. The pupils are already receiving "free" education anyway, so how is throwing a lunch in having a huge impact on that? Speaking of education, wouldn't kids time at school be better spent learning and studying rather than sweeping floors and wiping tables?
However, I do think entitling some groups to free lunches and not to others to is generally unfair. In my view, lunches should either be made freely available to all pupils, or not at all. Means testing is bull**** and leads to situations where for example you have Family A, where neither parent works, whoa are entitled to free lunches, and Family B where both parents work two full-time minimum wage jobs who aren't entitled, because they're marginally better off economically. The system should reward work and effort rather than penalising it.
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
War is more profitable than well fed kids
Giving away food is like the end of the world or something. Get back to work!I would love to have this way of thinking here in my country ...
on the planet where i grew up, kids were given two choices: get a free three-meal course or get a cash compensation if they didn't need a free lunch.Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?Why should they?
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.
Where's your proof of this exactly? Why do countries like Luxembourg and Norway have higher GDP per capita and lower unemployment rates than the United States then? Which would indicate the opposite of what you're proposing.
on the planet where i grew up, kids were given two choices: get a free three-meal course or get a cash compensation if they didn't need a free lunch.Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?Why should they?
on your planet of the free and the brave, i guess, mopping the floor to get a free lunch makes more sense.
Why can't all the kids get their lunch for free?
Why should they? There's no such thing as "free". Somebody, somewhere has to pay for it. While I don't mind using taxes for social infrastructure, human nature has proven time and time again that those who receive for free will have no motivation to produce, and those who do produce and have the fruits of their labor given away to somebody who doesn't will have less and less motivation to produce until nobody is producing anything.
Where's your proof of this exactly? Why do countries like Luxembourg and Norway have higher GDP per capita and lower unemployment rates than the United States then? Which would indicate the opposite of what you're proposing.
I think a big part of that is size and scaling.
Look, these kids in 'Murica nowadays are lazy. Kids in China and India at that age work 12 hours a day making your Nike shoes and your Apple iPhones. They are learning valuable skills. How can you compare real world experience like that with going to school? You can't. Sure they lose a finger now and again, but that child's loss is your gain.Show Image(http://new-standards.net/files/ns/pics/resources-re-child-labor-in-china/11.jpg)
Do you think those kids ^ in Asia have a free lunch? Or any lunch? They are lucky to get one meal per week. So these kids in 'Murica are just spoiled. We need more right thinking 'Muricans like this Rep. Jack Kingston (R-CA) guy.Show Image(http://media.salon.com/2013/12/jack_kingston2-620x412.jpg)
He is the kind of man who will bring child-labor sweatshops back to 'Murica.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.htmlQuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.
The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.htmlQuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.
The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776
Is food right, life, liberty and happiness for all, especially kids, isn't it?
So why this guy, Jack Kingston, wants "low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals" while the other kids don't?
:confused:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.htmlQuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.
The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." - The Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776
Is food right, life, liberty and happiness for all, especially kids, isn't it?
So why this guy, Jack Kingston, wants "low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals" while the other kids don't?
:confused:
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)
The other kids are paying for it. With money.
Also, when interpreting that quote, please keep in mind the difference between positive and negative rights. They have vastly different implications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
The other kids are paying for it. With money.
Also, when interpreting that quote, please keep in mind the difference between positive and negative rights. They have vastly different implications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights
Thank for your explanation. However, if it is the case, I think it comes to another point, where is the money for other kids comes from? From their parents, right? So I think my point is still legit because "low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals" while the other kids don't "do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals"
Correct me if I'm wrong.
QuoteRep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)you see that R next to Ga? Stands for republican. Some (not all) republicans believe that if you aren't rich, you aren't worthy.
it all boils down to politics, not this guy actually giving a **** about what kids learn.
"Subsidized" means that the school pays for the lunches out of its own budget, so "taxpayers" ultimately provide the money. Parents of non-low-income students pay for their kids' meals directly.
Absolutely, the other kids parents are paying for their meals. I touched on that in an earlier response, that this solution doesn't really make things even for the kids. It just seems even in the eyes of the administration, because now those kids are "earning" their lunch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this decision.
QuoteRep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)you see that R next to Ga? Stands for republican. Some (not all) republicans believe that if you aren't rich, you aren't worthy.
it all boils down to politics, not this guy actually giving a **** about what kids learn."Subsidized" means that the school pays for the lunches out of its own budget, so "taxpayers" ultimately provide the money. Parents of non-low-income students pay for their kids' meals directly.Absolutely, the other kids parents are paying for their meals. I touched on that in an earlier response, that this solution doesn't really make things even for the kids. It just seems even in the eyes of the administration, because now those kids are "earning" their lunch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this decision.
Thanks, I see.
;D
When I read the post, I understand the intention of the guy but I just thought for low-income children, their life and their family may have enough troubles so they already learn a lesson that money must be earned, they should take nothing for granted.
So when children come to school, it is supposed to be a place for them feel equal and happy with their friends and forget about their hard life.
QuoteRep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)you see that R next to Ga? Stands for republican. Some (not all) republicans believe that if you aren't rich, you aren't worthy.
it all boils down to politics, not this guy actually giving a **** about what kids learn."Subsidized" means that the school pays for the lunches out of its own budget, so "taxpayers" ultimately provide the money. Parents of non-low-income students pay for their kids' meals directly.Absolutely, the other kids parents are paying for their meals. I touched on that in an earlier response, that this solution doesn't really make things even for the kids. It just seems even in the eyes of the administration, because now those kids are "earning" their lunch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this decision.
Thanks, I see.
;D
When I read the post, I understand the intention of the guy but I just thought for low-income children, their life and their family may have enough troubles so they already learn a lesson that money must be earned, they should take nothing for granted.
So when children come to school, it is supposed to be a place for them feel equal and happy with their friends and forget about their hard life.
You obviously don't go to an american high school
at my school there are these ******* kids who cut in the line then punch in their subsidized code and get their lunch. You can tell its subsidized because instead of a regular box they get a crappy box that their food goes into.
theyre so ungrateful for their free **** it pisses me off every time
QuoteRep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)you see that R next to Ga? Stands for republican. Some (not all) republicans believe that if you aren't rich, you aren't worthy.
it all boils down to politics, not this guy actually giving a **** about what kids learn."Subsidized" means that the school pays for the lunches out of its own budget, so "taxpayers" ultimately provide the money. Parents of non-low-income students pay for their kids' meals directly.Absolutely, the other kids parents are paying for their meals. I touched on that in an earlier response, that this solution doesn't really make things even for the kids. It just seems even in the eyes of the administration, because now those kids are "earning" their lunch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this decision.
Thanks, I see.
;D
When I read the post, I understand the intention of the guy but I just thought for low-income children, their life and their family may have enough troubles so they already learn a lesson that money must be earned, they should take nothing for granted.
So when children come to school, it is supposed to be a place for them feel equal and happy with their friends and forget about their hard life.
You obviously don't go to an american high school
at my school there are these ******* kids who cut in the line then punch in their subsidized code and get their lunch. You can tell its subsidized because instead of a regular box they get a crappy box that their food goes into.
theyre so ungrateful for their free **** it pisses me off every time
Ungrateful? Are they supposed to ingratiate themselves for your enjoyment, you spoiled brat?
It's food; hell, it's probably the only guaranteed meal most on that kind of a program get a day and somehow that offends you. Maybe instead of just assuming they're easy living on government hand outs, you take a step back and go "gee, I wonder how I get most of my necessary things provided for me with hardly a blink in its direction"?
Of all the pathetic, ill-thoughtout things you've said, that has to take the cake for the stupidest. And the most ignorant. And most obnoxious. And let's throw entitled on the pile, too.
Is this actually you here?Show Image(https://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1380/21/1380210906082.jpg)
QuoteRep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.)you see that R next to Ga? Stands for republican. Some (not all) republicans believe that if you aren't rich, you aren't worthy.
it all boils down to politics, not this guy actually giving a **** about what kids learn."Subsidized" means that the school pays for the lunches out of its own budget, so "taxpayers" ultimately provide the money. Parents of non-low-income students pay for their kids' meals directly.Absolutely, the other kids parents are paying for their meals. I touched on that in an earlier response, that this solution doesn't really make things even for the kids. It just seems even in the eyes of the administration, because now those kids are "earning" their lunch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending this decision.
Thanks, I see.
;D
When I read the post, I understand the intention of the guy but I just thought for low-income children, their life and their family may have enough troubles so they already learn a lesson that money must be earned, they should take nothing for granted.
So when children come to school, it is supposed to be a place for them feel equal and happy with their friends and forget about their hard life.
You obviously don't go to an american high school
at my school there are these ******* kids who cut in the line then punch in their subsidized code and get their lunch. You can tell its subsidized because instead of a regular box they get a crappy box that their food goes into.
theyre so ungrateful for their free **** it pisses me off every time
Ungrateful? Are they supposed to ingratiate themselves for your enjoyment, you spoiled brat?
It's food; hell, it's probably the only guaranteed meal most on that kind of a program get a day and somehow that offends you. Maybe instead of just assuming they're easy living on government hand outs, you take a step back and go "gee, I wonder how I get most of my necessary things provided for me with hardly a blink in its direction"?
Of all the pathetic, ill-thoughtout things you've said, that has to take the cake for the stupidest. And the most ignorant. And most obnoxious. And let's throw entitled on the pile, too.
Is this actually you here?Show Image(https://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1380/21/1380210906082.jpg)
they don't even have the respect to go ****ing wait at the back of the line
that's what pisses me off
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
So you hate people who cut in line? Cool, me too! Now if only you could communicate effectively...
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
you know nothing about me damilk
I've done quite a lot of research on politics for my debate work. I've read quite a lot of articles about governement and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc
also every penny of my keyboard hobby has been paid by myself. I initially got my $60 for my first board by working odd jobs. I've been able to afford every other board from then on by selling **** in classifieds.
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
you know nothing about me damilk
I've done quite a lot of research on politics for my debate work. I've read quite a lot of articles about governement and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc
also every penny of my keyboard hobby has been paid by myself. I initially got my $60 for my first board by working odd jobs. I've been able to afford every other board from then on by selling **** in classifieds.
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
So you hate people who cut in line? Cool, me too! Now if only you could communicate effectively...
thats what i was saying the whole ****ing time. You just distorted my words and didn't listen to them propperly. there is a lack of effective communication because you aren't listening
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
you know nothing about me damilk
I've done quite a lot of research on politics for my debate work. I've read quite a lot of articles about governement and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc
also every penny of my keyboard hobby has been paid by myself. I initially got my $60 for my first board by working odd jobs. I've been able to afford every other board from then on by selling **** in classifieds.
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
So you hate people who cut in line? Cool, me too! Now if only you could communicate effectively...
thats what i was saying the whole ****ing time. You just distorted my words and didn't listen to them propperly. there is a lack of effective communication because you aren't listening
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/18/jack-kingston-school-lunch_n_4467711.htmlQuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) wants kids to learn early in life that there's no such thing as a free lunch. To make sure they absorb that lesson, he's proposing that low-income children do some manual labor in exchange for their subsidized meals.
The idea was to instill work ethic, so thoughts??
+1
i really hate it when kids who get free lunches CUT IN THE ****ING LINE
you got that food for free, go ****ing wait in the back of the line like everyone else
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
I'm going one step further.
What the **** do you know about life?
You're a child that acts like losing a spot in line is some kind of egregious offense. How effortless is your life where something like that is even a blip on your radar?they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
So you hate people who cut in line? Cool, me too! Now if only you could communicate effectively...
thats what i was saying the whole ****ing time. You just distorted my words and didn't listen to them propperly. there is a lack of effective communication because you aren't listeningthey shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
you know nothing about me damilk
I've done quite a lot of research on politics for my debate work. I've read quite a lot of articles about governement and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc
also every penny of my keyboard hobby has been paid by myself. I initially got my $60 for my first board by working odd jobs. I've been able to afford every other board from then on by selling **** in classifieds.
Or it could be you're **** at this debate thing you claim you do. I've yet to hear one salient point to why you think children from poor families should have to do menial labor to earn a meal.
Let's hear your thoughts on some of these "articles about governement(hic) and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc"
food does grow on trees....
Those with disabilites should show that they are trying to improve their injuries.
QuoteThose with disabilites should show that they are trying to improve their injuries.
LMFAO
QuoteThose with disabilites should show that they are trying to improve their injuries.
LMFAO
instead of watching tv each day try to go outside and walk and get better
QuoteThose with disabilites should show that they are trying to improve their injuries.
LMFAO
instead of watching tv each day try to go outside and walk and get better
yes, because all disabilities are bettered by going outside for a walk. god, you're like.. a genius man.
Not all try to take advantage of the government.
But if one truely is motivated and wants to achieve better, they will work their ass off to do so. They will stop begging and instead work towards their goals. However, many are just plain lazy and won't work for what they deserve.
America was built by hard working people, and everyone with any bit of worth worked for it. Many of those at the bottom don't care and don't work. For example, in downtown, there are people who beg outside of bars asking for money. Its pretty obvious why they want the money. One time my mom gave them a dollar, and what do you know, they walked right into the bar.
It may because I am a middle class asian american and I haven't truely been dirt poor yet, but i've seen poor people. I've done volunteered at charity events and seen the poor people try to squeze out everything they can. For example, I was volunteering at a marathon giving food and water to the people who finished the race. There were multiple people who came to watch come over and ask for some of the gatorade we were handing out to the runners. Another time during lunch at a practice for a math competition, we were eating pizza outside and some people came over and tried to take some of our pizza.
Back to the main topic, I actually think all students should be involved in the maintenance of the school. It would maybe instill in them more respect for the institution and manual labor. Don't make it a thing just for those getting subsidized lunches.Not all try to take advantage of the government.
But if one truely is motivated and wants to achieve better, they will work their ass off to do so. They will stop begging and instead work towards their goals. However, many are just plain lazy and won't work for what they deserve.
America was built by hard working people, and everyone with any bit of worth worked for it. Many of those at the bottom don't care and don't work. For example, in downtown, there are people who beg outside of bars asking for money. Its pretty obvious why they want the money. One time my mom gave them a dollar, and what do you know, they walked right into the bar.
It may because I am a middle class asian american and I haven't truely been dirt poor yet, but i've seen poor people. I've done volunteered at charity events and seen the poor people try to squeze out everything they can. For example, I was volunteering at a marathon giving food and water to the people who finished the race. There were multiple people who came to watch come over and ask for some of the gatorade we were handing out to the runners. Another time during lunch at a practice for a math competition, we were eating pizza outside and some people came over and tried to take some of our pizza.
This screams of ignorance. The middle class is shrinking and the poor and working poor are an ever growing demographic. Do some research on the cycle of poverty and issues like cultural and social capital and you'll also see that many of these poor people remain poor not because they're not hard working, but because they don't have the right connections, they don't have the right education, and they have cultural values and perceptions that clash with those in power.
Poverty is not something that is easy to escape. There are many people who are working two and three minimum wage jobs just to exist. Would you call them lazy? I wouldn't, but they'll never make enough to get out of poverty and, for most of them, their kids won't either, nor will they have the social supports that help keep them accountable to do their school work and to learn how to maneuver in society. There are also people who have discovered that not working actually makes them more money than working their ass off, that they can only subsist because they're on welfare and not working a job or jobs. Don't think that poor people or people subsisting on welfare are doing so because they want to be non-contributing members of society, but do so because they have no other choice.
As for your examples of poor people being mooches, guess what, I grew up in Orange County California, an area known for dramatic divides in wealth, with the ultra-wealthy alongside the ultrapoor. And you know what? The wealthy can be just as big of mooches as the poor, sometimes even worse. The difference is that they can actually afford the things they're mooching, but those poor, often people that they employ at sub-living wages, can't.
Get some perspective, do some real sociological research, and then maybe you'll have some compassion for these people and understand that they often have no choice in their circumstances. If you really want to get pissed off about welfare, direct your anger the right direction. Look at the welfare that the poor receive, then look at the companies that employ them, look at how they pay sub living wages, how they do tricks with hours so they don't have to pay for healthcare or other benefits, how they abuse government programs to pass off business costs to taxpayers, how they constantly fight to erode workers rights, and look at the amount of corporate welfare they receive, some of them through accounting tricks like onshoring losses and offshoring profits.
also every penny of my keyboard hobby has been paid by myself. I initially got my $60 for my first board by working odd jobs. I've been able to afford every other board from then on by selling **** in classifieds.
they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
I'm going one step further.
What the **** do you know about life?
You're a child that acts like losing a spot in line is some kind of egregious offense. How effortless is your life where something like that is even a blip on your radar?they shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
So you hate people who cut in line? Cool, me too! Now if only you could communicate effectively...
thats what i was saying the whole ****ing time. You just distorted my words and didn't listen to them propperly. there is a lack of effective communication because you aren't listeningthey shouldn't go last
they should wait at the back of the ****ing line then move forward like everybody else
them getting their food for free makes it even worse because instead of thinking about the people who pay more taxes so they can get their subsidized food they just cut in front of them
what the **** do you know about taxes?
you're a 16 year old troll that has mommy and daddy to fall back on. you're obviously living a pretty good life that you can pick up a keyboard hobby.
you know nothing about me damilk
I've done quite a lot of research on politics for my debate work. I've read quite a lot of articles about governement and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc
also every penny of my keyboard hobby has been paid by myself. I initially got my $60 for my first board by working odd jobs. I've been able to afford every other board from then on by selling **** in classifieds.
Or it could be you're **** at this debate thing you claim you do. I've yet to hear one salient point to why you think children from poor families should have to do menial labor to earn a meal.
Let's hear your thoughts on some of these "articles about governement(hic) and perception and many talked about how taxes were affecting the budget etc"
Compare the middle class well of family to the lower class family. To the middle class, they pay their taxes and pay for all their belongings.
Then look at the lower class. There are many reasons why they are there, but once they are there, they pay less taxes and don't pay for everything they own (ie lunch, food stamps, wellfare, etc). While some are there because they got screwed over, a vast majority are lazy and not motivated to get a job. If one is truely motivated, they can achive many goals, and getting an average paying job is pretty low on the list of lofty goals.
now to be fair to those who work for their food, those who get their food for free should also work. Food doesn't grow on trees, if even the laborers of america are lazy and slack off and think their gardening job is guarenteed, america will go to ****.
another reason why i'm pissed off about inequality at schools is one time I had to pick up trash for littering one piece of trash. My punishment for not putting one piece of trash was clean up every bit of trash in the school. Now I was a fast worker and filled up my trash bag with trash in 10 minutes. Why? Because the ground was ****ing full of trash. some stupid kid even left their art project on the ground. Now if the school truely was just they would make EVERYONE who littered pick up the trash. Using a few people as scapegoats to pick up every one else's trash is just unfair. Just like how a group of *******s cutting in line screws up everyone else's time. Its tragedy of the commons.
ultimately to make it fair, those who get free **** should earn it. Those who get unenployment money should show they're trying to get a job. Those with disabilites should show that they are trying to improve their injuries. those who get food stamps should show they are trying to go higher in the social ladder and earn more money to support themselves by themselves. And the best way to do this is start with the youth. Even a little work for food is crucial in making a sustainable and reliable workforce for america
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I agree 100%! You're a smart young man. Lazy people should work.
I lost both my legs fighting for you in Afghanistan. I came back and my VA disability claim was delayed for five years. Which isn't bad, I've heard of seven and eight year claims. Anywho, I finally got some prosthetic legs, but they don't fit, and cause me major blisters and sores on my stumps. Those legs got recalled because some malcontent filed a class action lawsuit. I don't understand those people. I turned down the check they sent me. If I didn't earn the money, I'm sure not going to take it for having no legs, and getting defective prosthetics. Think of that medical supply company's profit margin. It must have really been shrunk somewhat from that lawsuit.
Well, anyha, now I have no legs, so I pull myself over the ground on a little sled/ wagon. Because I have no legs, I couldn't get a job, and my credit went bad. (I'm embarrassed to say missed a few electric bills.) Well, now I can't get a regular middle class job because my credit is bad, and no big corporation will even interview me. Plus, I have no legs. But I'm not lazy. So a friend got me a minimum wage job with Walmart as a sewage cleaner. They like me at work because I can get into really small sewer pipes and root them out. I dunno if you've ever been inside a Walmart sewer pipe, but they can get really backed up with compacted fecal matter, so I clean that out, by hand.
Anyhee, I'm not in a union, because that's Marxist, so I make sub-union wages. Also I have no vacation days, sick days, or health care. Walmart makes us clock in for 40 hours, but only pays us for 30. Which is cool, because the Walton family that owns Walmart are not rich enough yet. I'm helping them get over that $50 billion hump. And I am proud to say that I pay taxes every paycheck. In fact, I pay more taxes as a percentage of my total income, I pay about 34%, than either Mitt Romney (15%) who is a rich man, or Warren Buffett (18%) who is the richest man in the world.
My daughter went blind at birth from medical malpractice, but I didn't bring no damn lawsuit, cuz that's against the doctors. Doctors are great and wise men, and people like us should never question them. So anyheehoo, my daughter is 5 now, and I applied for the subsidized lunch program at her public school, and my daughter started getting free meals. And you know, I had to spank her little bottom, 'cuz I found out that she's so hungry at lunchtime (she never has any breakfast because I can't afford it, and only has dinner 5 nights a week which is usually just ketchup and noodles but I call is 'sghetti). Well anyway, I guess she was so hungry one day, that she actually pushed her way into the front of the line and cut in front of a well-fed older boy. I couldn't believe her cheekiness! That little blind girl, cutting in line, because she was hungry! Outrageous. I'm glad that older boy complained to the school principal, and that the principal called me at work. I had to climb out the sewer pipe to get the phone, and Walmart docked my pay for the time, but I was glad I got that call. Now I make sure my blind, hungry daughter gets in the back of the line where she belongs.
your lunch got delayed a few seconds because somebody wanted to be first.
your lunch got delayed a few seconds because somebody wanted to be first.
I agree with everything else. But its not a few seconds. It usually adds up to 10-15 minutes. One time I waited in line for 20 mins cus a bunch of ***gots kept on cutting in line
your lunch got delayed a few seconds because somebody wanted to be first.
I agree with everything else. But its not a few seconds. It usually adds up to 10-15 minutes. One time I waited in line for 20 mins cus a bunch of ***gots kept on cutting in line
your lunch got delayed a few seconds because somebody wanted to be first.
I agree with everything else. But its not a few seconds. It usually adds up to 10-15 minutes. One time I waited in line for 20 mins cus a bunch of ***gots kept on cutting in line
This thread is ridiculously depressing.
I feel we should get back on topic and stop harassing Pacifist for being so short-sighted.
I believe that if the lesser-endowed kids have to work for free lunch, the school system should say "**** it" and have everybody get free lunch and work for it.
Or, they could find another way to give them work ethic without bringing up mandatory community service, though that may have to be implemented as much as I hate the idea.
and thus i guess capitolism sucks and is the root cause of all of our suffereingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZXA7E3G.png)
and thus i guess capitolism sucks and is the root cause of all of our suffereingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZXA7E3G.png)
hmm, wow, where do i begin?
"Capitolism" is a word to describe partisan grid-lock, and the fact that market forces are subsumed to the will of politicians in Wash, D.C.
"Capitalism" is an economic system whereby private individuals are allowed to own the means of production in order to extract profits at the expense of workers. Each worker is individually exploited as he is never paid the full value of his labor, with the difference being siphoned off as "profits" by the owners of the firm.
First: Your block quote is ridiculously inaccurate and racist. Please don't cite phony "articles" containing fictitious figures, it undermines your argument. And it makes you look like a fool for believing it to be true.
Second: The argument contained within the phony article is fallacious. More specifically it employs the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" fallacy. Originally the name of this fallacy came from German: das Kind mit dem Bade ausschütten. Also known as the False Dilemma Fallacy. This fallacy represents the argument that if something is imperfect, then there is no way to improve it, and the whole thing must be scrapped. Which is of course, not true. Fallacious reasoning will earn you an F in your debate class. Please do not try it.
Third: Adam Smith, the intellectual and spiritual father of American free market capitalism in his seminal work, his magnus opus, The Wealth of Nations, warned us all that while free market capitalism is the most efficient means of organizing capital and labor, it must nevertheless be rigorously and vigilantly regulated either by a very strong government or by a very active tort bar, or both. Smith cautioned that free market capitalism will be forever in jeopardy of being ruined by the stupidity and greed of the capitalists themselves. Smith warned that the goal of every businessman was to control the market and fix prices, through monopoly, oligopoly, collusion and criminal enterprise. Smith further warned that a business-dominated political system would allow a conspiracy of businesses and the government against consumers, with the former scheming to influence the politics and legislation of the latter. Which is exactly what is happening right now.
Fourth: Plato the Greek philosopher, foretold in his book The Republic, written in 380 B.C., that democracy, as a form of government, is vulnerable to being superseded. The enemy of democracy is not fascism (as most conservatives try to tell you), instead the enemy of democracy is plutocracy: rule by a class of elites. Plato warned that the natural trend in every democracy is for wealth to be concentrated in the hands of a few, which leads to an entrenched class of rich people, who then take control of the government, and who will eventually eliminate democratic rule, since they fear that the will of the people is contrary to their sustained wealth and power. Again, this is happening right now.
Food doesn't grow on trees
and thus i guess capitolism sucks and is the root cause of all of our suffereingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZXA7E3G.png)
hmm, wow, where do i begin?
"Capitolism" is a word to describe partisan grid-lock, and the fact that market forces are subsumed to the will of politicians in Wash, D.C.
"Capitalism" is an economic system whereby private individuals are allowed to own the means of production in order to extract profits at the expense of workers. Each worker is individually exploited as he is never paid the full value of his labor, with the difference being siphoned off as "profits" by the owners of the firm.
First: Your block quote is ridiculously inaccurate and racist. Please don't cite phony "articles" containing fictitious figures, it undermines your argument. And it makes you look like a fool for believing it to be true.
Second: The argument contained within the phony article is fallacious. More specifically it employs the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" fallacy. Originally the name of this fallacy came from German: das Kind mit dem Bade ausschütten. Also known as the False Dilemma Fallacy. This fallacy represents the argument that if something is imperfect, then there is no way to improve it, and the whole thing must be scrapped. Which is of course, not true. Fallacious reasoning will earn you an F in your debate class. Please do not try it.
Third: Adam Smith, the intellectual and spiritual father of American free market capitalism in his seminal work, his magnus opus, The Wealth of Nations, warned us all that while free market capitalism is the most efficient means of organizing capital and labor, it must nevertheless be rigorously and vigilantly regulated either by a very strong government or by a very active tort bar, or both. Smith cautioned that free market capitalism will be forever in jeopardy of being ruined by the stupidity and greed of the capitalists themselves. Smith warned that the goal of every businessman was to control the market and fix prices, through monopoly, oligopoly, collusion and criminal enterprise. Smith further warned that a business-dominated political system would allow a conspiracy of businesses and the government against consumers, with the former scheming to influence the politics and legislation of the latter. Which is exactly what is happening right now.
Fourth: Plato the Greek philosopher, foretold in his book The Republic, written in 380 B.C., that democracy, as a form of government, is vulnerable to being superseded. The enemy of democracy is not fascism (as most conservatives try to tell you), instead the enemy of democracy is plutocracy: rule by a class of elites. Plato warned that the natural trend in every democracy is for wealth to be concentrated in the hands of a few, which leads to an entrenched class of rich people, who then take control of the government, and who will eventually eliminate democratic rule, since they fear that the will of the people is contrary to their sustained wealth and power. Again, this is happening right now.
i can get way more evidence for free trade bad and cap bad
http://openev.debatecoaches.org/bin/download/2013/Gonzaga/Capitalism%20Kritik%20-%20Gonzaga%202013.docx
this file is full of evidence saying cap is bad
I lost both my legs fighting for you in Afghanistan. I came back and my VA disability claim was delayed for five years. Which isn't bad, I've heard of seven and eight year claims. Anywho, I finally got some prosthetic legs, but they don't fit, and cause me major blisters and sores on my stumps.no problem. according to pacifist, you can easily grow yourself a pair of new legs.
It's Americans who are not used to having such basic civic things like responsibility for one's environment drilled into them. I remember my first year in an American college, and I was really shocked at how filthy and disgusting Americans were in private life. Some did not throw out the trash ALL SEMESTER, accumulating literally an entire closet filled with pizza crusts and food boxes. Others did not do laundry a single time, and got their mom's station wagon to take back 4 freaking months of dirty laundry in one shot. One guy bought a huge box of utensils from costco or sam's place, can't remember which one. He never did any washing, and threw away METAL FORKS AND KNIVES after every meal.it seems i'd rather pursue my master degree in a european university.
My second year in college, I was praying for thanksgiving. You know why? Because at thanksgiving, my fat American roommate would take home his unwashed laundry! After thanksgiving things get better because it's cold enough for the laundry to not stink, until spring came by again and the usual stench filled the air.
I lost both my legs fighting for you in Afghanistan. I came back and my VA disability claim was delayed for five years. Which isn't bad, I've heard of seven and eight year claims. Anywho, I finally got some prosthetic legs, but they don't fit, and cause me major blisters and sores on my stumps.no problem. according to pacifist, you can easily grow yourself a pair of new legs.
This thread is ridiculously depressing.
I feel we should get back on topic and stop harassing Pacifist for being so short-sighted.
I believe that if the lesser-endowed kids have to work for free lunch, the school system should say "**** it" and have everybody get free lunch and work for it.
Or, they could find another way to give them work ethic without bringing up mandatory community service, though that may have to be implemented as much as I hate the idea.
You mean like through classes that teach important skills such as shop, home ec, ag co-op, auto shop? All kids "work" for their meals. Their job is to learn how to be a productive grown up as best they can when they're, you know, grown.
Are you ****ing kidding me? We're going to humiliate these kids because through no fault of their own they can't afford the normal price for a school lunch? And what in the hell does cutting in line have to do with anything? I can't believe anyone thinks this is a good idea. This is surely going to create a massive class division in the school. As it is, it's a fairly subtle thing for a student to get a free or reduced price lunch and it need not be a prominent indicator of status. But if we have a certain group of kids being made to perform labor at the school for their meals, this will create a clear and simple way for the others to set them apart, no doubt as some kind of subordinate class.
What makes this genius think there's some kind of myth of a free lunch? Does he think these kids don't go home and know about what difficulty there is in keeping the family fed, if they're at the poverty line? Does he think they don't know they're getting a free lunch precisely because it's sometimes difficult to be able to afford one and they're on the wrong side of that line? I got free lunches in school for a time, and I didn't go around thinking **** was going to fall into my lap all my life. I don't know what got into this guy's head that makes him think he needs to teach anyone a lesson, but he needs to put the god damn Heinlein down and go do something useful.
its going to get backlash cuz for the most part the people who get free lunches are lazy and don't work for their food.
+1 on this. People always cut in line and get free food. They all where $400 shoes and $100 hats. And forgot about g-shock for 'swag' I use my watch for keeping time lol. All those watches are not synced with the time and are 4 hours off average. I pay for my lunch, $20 a week. Get cookies and whatever they serve. MAKE EM WORK FOR FOOD!
and thus i guess capitolism sucks and is the root cause of all of our suffereingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZXA7E3G.png)
I lost both my legs fighting for you in Afghanistan. I came back and my VA disability claim was delayed for five years. Which isn't bad, I've heard of seven and eight year claims. Anywho, I finally got some prosthetic legs, but they don't fit, and cause me major blisters and sores on my stumps.no problem. according to pacifist, you can easily grow yourself a pair of new legs.
That puts a whole new perspective on the phrase 'grow a pair'This thread is ridiculously depressing.
I feel we should get back on topic and stop harassing Pacifist for being so short-sighted.
I believe that if the lesser-endowed kids have to work for free lunch, the school system should say "**** it" and have everybody get free lunch and work for it.
Or, they could find another way to give them work ethic without bringing up mandatory community service, though that may have to be implemented as much as I hate the idea.
You mean like through classes that teach important skills such as shop, home ec, ag co-op, auto shop? All kids "work" for their meals. Their job is to learn how to be a productive grown up as best they can when they're, you know, grown.
Sadly many schools I'm familiar with no longer have shop class, home economics, agriculture, auto shop etc.....mostly because those classes were considered too dangerous AND get this...they didn't help kids get into college..... ::)
ahhh... I miss the days of being 16 and knowing everything, thank god I wasn't on the internet.
Seriously though Pacifist, I tried telling you a few days ago to just shut up sometimes. I didn't say that out of hatred or because you're annoying as ****. I did that as a warning for you, to prevent something like this from happening. Oh well...
I'd like to say "I hope you learned your lesson" but as is PAINFULLY obvious, you just can't learn or take any sort of advice from anyone actually trying to help you. Unless it's some random article you've googled.
ahhh... I miss the days of being 16 and knowing everything, thank god I wasn't on the internet.
Seriously though Pacifist, I tried telling you a few days ago to just shut up sometimes. I didn't say that out of hatred or because you're annoying as ****. I did that as a warning for you, to prevent something like this from happening. Oh well...
I'd like to say "I hope you learned your lesson" but as is PAINFULLY obvious, you just can't learn or take any sort of advice from anyone actually trying to help you. Unless it's some random article you've googled.
As another sixteen-year-old, I regret that Pacifist cannot help but degrade our image further.
the good thing is all the rich people don't care about going against this because it doesn't affect their kids
while the poor people without much pushing power have to work for their food which is just
then wake up a half hour earlier and bring your own lunch. No more lines. If you can't wake up earlier, then you should probably examine your schedule.