This is kind of pointless a thread to be honest...the love gets love and hate thread gets love, what would this get?
HHKB makes me feel funny in the pants area.
HHKB makes me feel funny in the pants area.
I haven't tried Thorpe so I don't know what to think. But I certainly feel strongly about it.
<insert the photo about typing on boobs>*Catches a hint of that and notices something written in the signature then posts this...*
Cloud of boobs.Show Image(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40582.0;attach=14215;image)
Since I don't have mine yet, this would probably be the thread to say this in. There are a few things I know of that I see as potential cons:
- ABS spacebar
- Too light
- Feet not grippy enough
Actually, I thought there was more than that. Someone dispel my concerns :'(
HHKB Pro JP has PBT spacebar but is smaller in aesthetics. Not sure on the plastic used on Pro2 but Pro JP it is ABS. Pro2 has a "bit of a" con and that is with USB hub not able to power up certain equipment (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49129.msg1170234#msg1170234). Also one other person has reported issues with it not being compatible with iPad (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49129.msg1170553#msg1170553) or something.Since I don't have mine yet, this would probably be the thread to say this in. There are a few things I know of that I see as potential cons:Actually, I thought there was more than that. Someone dispel my concerns :'(
- ABS spacebar
- Too light
- Feet not grippy enough
That it's light is a plus if you carry it with you. I guess the Pro2 is the same as the JP when it comes to grippyness (which is terrible) but that is easy to fix with some cheap rubber pads
HHKB makes me feel funny in the pants area.
HHKB makes me feel funny in the pants area.
HHKB should be the only keyboard produced. Every other keyboard is LITERALLY beneath it in every way. Teachers should take away points from students if their papers aren't typed on a HHKB.
HHKB should be the only keyboard produced. Every other keyboard is LITERALLY beneath it in every way. Teachers should take away points from students if their papers aren't typed on a HHKB.
I was perfectly happy with my ergo clears before these threads started. Now I'm questioning every keyboard decision I've ever made.
HHKB should be the only keyboard produced. Every other keyboard is LITERALLY beneath it in every way. Teachers should take away points from students if their papers aren't typed on a HHKB.
I was perfectly happy with my ergo clears before these threads started. Now I'm questioning every keyboard decision I've ever made.
HHKB should be the only keyboard produced. Every other keyboard is LITERALLY beneath it in every way. Teachers should take away points from students if their papers aren't typed on a HHKB.
I was perfectly happy with my ergo clears before these threads started. Now I'm questioning every keyboard decision I've ever made.
In terms of happiness.
Typing on hhkb > your first beer > your first concert > first negative pregnancy scare > first born
Your first beer was better than your first concert? I thought I knew you, Demik.You either had bad beer or didn't make musical mistakes as a youngster.
Your first beer was better than your first concert? I thought I knew you, Demik.You either had bad beer or didn't make musical mistakes as a youngster.
Your first beer was better than your first concert? I thought I knew you, Demik.You either had bad beer or didn't make musical mistakes as a youngster.
My first beer was Budweiser :'(
My first beer was Budweiser :'(
No it wasn't, tap water doesn't count!
Ok. I've received my HHKB Pro 2.
Just my initial impressions of it.
What I'm experiencing so far, you can put me under the "HHKB Pro 2 Mixed Feelings" category lol.
I've yet to see a thread that subjectively evaluates HHKB as I have...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
Seriously, not every keyboard is for everyone. You're talking about as if it is the ****tiest thing you could buy, "wasting 300$". You're overreacting with jizzing over your ergo keyboards 3 people in the world care about and with your hate talk you're just as bad as all the fan boys orgasming over the HHKB as if it's the best thing ever made.
I've yet to see a thread that subjectively evaluates HHKB as I have...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
First, I think tp4 meant to say "objectively" instead of "subjectively", since he is claiming HHKB lovers are too subjective in their descriptions of their keyboards.
Second, the word "fanboi" went out of fashion in 2005.
Third, HHKB is better than any other keyboard available.
Fourth, I am ambivalent about mixed feelings.
No, I am quite 100% positive you are overreacting with your hate. Doesn't matter, anybody reading through your posts can identify that and disregard your "objectivity" immediately.
Seriously, not every keyboard is for everyone. You're talking about as if it is the ****tiest thing you could buy, "wasting 300$". You're overreacting with jizzing over your ergo keyboards 3 people in the world care about and with your hate talk you're just as bad as all the fan boys orgasming over the HHKB as if it's the best thing ever made.
No I am not..
I evaluate all keyboards I've ever used based solely on their USEFUL attributes..
I exclude aesthetics and my emotions over them completely..
No, not really. I found several flaws with HHKB when I received it, but I am still enjoying it. Doesn't matter how many times you're going to tell me I wasted my money, how much it sucks and how it's the worst keyboard on this planet, I will continue enjoying it since 1.) I PERSONALLY like it and 2.) although I'm relatively new here I have disregarded your opinion and credibility completely since 98% of your posts are calling every non ergo keyboard **** and ergo dox the best keyboard ever made. Now THAT'S fanboyism.
Tp4tissue, I see your argument and I think you would be right if it weren't for one thing, the hhkb pretty much sells for what you pay for it so there is no loss if you don't like it you would just say I didn't like it and sell it. If that weren't the case your argument would make a lot of sense. But because that is the case and their are still so few hhkb haters what that tells me is that it's the master race keyboard :p
Tp4tissue, I see your argument and I think you would be right if it weren't for one thing, the hhkb pretty much sells for what you pay for it so there is no loss if you don't like it you would just say I didn't like it and sell it. If that weren't the case your argument would make a lot of sense. But because that is the case and their are still so few hhkb haters what that tells me is that it's the master race keyboard :p
No, not really. I found several flaws with HHKB when I received it, but I am still enjoying it. Doesn't matter how many times you're going to tell me I wasted my money, how much it sucks and how it's the worst keyboard on this planet, I will continue enjoying it since 1.) I PERSONALLY like it and 2.) although I'm relatively new here I have disregarded your opinion and credibility completely since 98% of your posts are calling every non ergo keyboard **** and ergo dox the best keyboard ever made. Now THAT'S fanboyism.
The difference between most people and tp4tissue is, most people express their opinions. tp4tissue tells other people their opinions are wrong.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
i pretty specifically said i wouldn't
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
i pretty specifically said i wouldn't
Seriously though, let's not bring McCarthyism back. :(
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
i pretty specifically said i wouldn't
Seriously though, let's not bring McCarthyism back. :(
tell you what i won't bring mccarthyism back if everybody on geekhack stops thinking 'master race' is a good thing to say ever
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
i pretty specifically said i wouldn't
Seriously though, let's not bring McCarthyism back. :(
tell you what i won't bring mccarthyism back if everybody on geekhack stops thinking 'master race' is a good thing to say ever
This is a totally reasonable request that I agree with, but wantonly suggesting that someone's a Nazi sympathizer is a great way to get people to not take that conversation seriously.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
i pretty specifically said i wouldn't
Seriously though, let's not bring McCarthyism back. :(
tell you what i won't bring mccarthyism back if everybody on geekhack stops thinking 'master race' is a good thing to say ever
This is a totally reasonable request that I agree with, but wantonly suggesting that someone's a Nazi sympathizer is a great way to get people to not take that conversation seriously.
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
sure dude, i won't tell anyone you're a nazi sympathizer
dude, u can't say that..
i pretty specifically said i wouldn't
Seriously though, let's not bring McCarthyism back. :(
tell you what i won't bring mccarthyism back if everybody on geekhack stops thinking 'master race' is a good thing to say ever
This is a totally reasonable request that I agree with, but wantonly suggesting that someone's a Nazi sympathizer is a great way to get people to not take that conversation seriously.
Well I am taking it seriously. I would like to thank geekhack for the pleasurable few weeks, but I've met enough self entitled brats here in a few weeks to last me a life time.
P.S.: I actually speak German unlike you. The translation IS wrong.
cya
So..how about those HHKBs? They're pretty nice.
So..how about those HHKBs? They're pretty nice.
they're aight...
nothing special really...
compact yes.. but too limited in features, and configur-ability.
So..how about those HHKBs? They're pretty nice.
they're aight...
nothing special really...
compact yes.. but too limited in features, and configur-ability.
I've had mine (the JP ver..) for about a week now. I effin love it, but if I were to spend all that money on one today then I would not do it. It's nice, but not worth the money :( My "cheap" MX boards are much nicer for what I paid
So..how about those HHKBs? They're pretty nice.
they're aight...
nothing special really...
compact yes.. but too limited in features, and configur-ability.
I've had mine (the JP ver..) for about a week now. I effin love it, but if I were to spend all that money on one today then I would not do it. It's nice, but not worth the money :( My "cheap" MX boards are much nicer for what I paid
Try out the Egdx when you get the chance, maybe @ one of those meet ups.Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/a/b/aboishappyplz.gif?1)
It's nice, but not worth the money :( My "cheap" MX boards are much nicer for what I paid
It's nice, but not worth the money :( My "cheap" MX boards are much nicer for what I paid
You might try to liquor up sth and have that statement tattoo'd onto his arse for good measure. That way in prison he'll let his bunk mates know what he truly prefers....... :thumb: .
:-*
___Have you consider the fact that the reason you're reading my posts as IMPOSING and TELLING you what to do... Is simply because of the fact that I am slightly "more" right in looking at the bigger picture of keyboarding?
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
wait until you get a korean custom
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
wait until you get a korean custom
You mean lubed switches?
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
wait until you get a korean custom
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
wait until you get a korean custom
You know this from experience?
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
wait until you get a korean custom
You know this from experience?
I don't think he has a Korean custom or Topre..
Quote___Have you consider the fact that the reason you're reading my posts as IMPOSING and TELLING you what to do... Is simply because of the fact that I am slightly "more" right in looking at the bigger picture of keyboarding?
Not really. Whether someone prefers Topre or Cherry is a matter of subjective opinion. The fact that you believe your "bigger" perspective on keyboarding makes your opinion more right than others reveals you are a bigoted douche.
My HHKB gives me mixed feelings. It feels really nice.. when I go back to my Filco it doesn't feel as nice :(\
wait until you get a korean custom
You mean lubed switches?
Never got use to the layout and it has been in the shelf for a year now :(. Using a rf for the topre though :D.
Never got use to the layout and it has been in the shelf for a year now :(. Using a rf for the topre though :D.
Never got use to the layout and it has been in the shelf for a year now :(. Using a rf for the topre though :D.
will you sell the hhkb?
I was about to say, the thread quickly went down hill when "you-know-what" was mentioned. Thankfully the thread rebounced.
Anyway I bought my HHKB was for reasons really other than the fact that it was based on Topre switch. The fact that it is using Topre switch was a bit of a bonus for me but at the point when my interest was heightened prior to my purchase of HHKB; the one of the main reason was that I cared about one thing which was that it is a "mechanical keyboard". Regardless of how people went about their own ways declaring that it isn't or it is hybrid/part/etc. To me it is a mechanical keyboard and not a rubber dome keyboard, or rubber dome on membrane sheets. Should one be curious as to my reasons for HHKB, they don't have to look any further than my thread which is linked on my signature.
I can be pretty cruel here and say that I wouldn't have cared if HHKB is usng Cherry MX, Bucking spring, Alps, or even Hall effect. The only thing that mattered was that it was reassuring to know that HHKB was virtually entirely made in Japan. I never knew that until much later on along with all the extra little perks for being HHKB owner such as hasu's TMK project or bluetooth modding project for instance. There are plenty more but I am not going to repeat myself over other every little perks of having HHKB.
I am just happy and content with my HHKB despite some of its shortcomings. I guess most other HHKB owners can somewhat relate when they noticed that HHKB lacked either this or that. The part that matters the most is that one has the said material. That is all that matters.
No keyboard is perfect for everyone, because everyone has their own taste/preference. To fight over preferences is quite silly. That is why there is a market for HHKB, there is a market for ErgoDox, there is a market for IBM Model M, etc.
The difference between an Egdx and the HHKB rectangle is NOT a matter of preference..
Egdx is fully programmable
It conforms to the shape of ones hand
It conforms to the natural resting angle of ones wrists
It can be modified for any mx switch.. linear, or tactile
If you decide you'd like a different switch, you can easily swap them out without desoldering.
Egdxs' split-design also accomodates people with broad shoulders whose arms are further apart
The HHKB... is derivative, and is quite simply the least common denominator in design, and it performs no better or worse than any other rectangular keyboard..
The only thing that makes it special is like you've said, it's "made in japan"... If being a weeaboo is all ur after... mission accomplished..
But to those who actually want to extract every ounce of knowledge and science out of the keyboarding hobby, to go BEYOND simple ownership and materialistic acquisition of trophies..
The path towards KEYBOARD zen is only revealed to those who are willing to rethink traditions and minimize their ancestral hoarding.
The difference between an Egdx and the HHKB rectangle is NOT a matter of preference..
Egdx is fully programmable
It conforms to the shape of ones hand
It conforms to the natural resting angle of ones wrists
It can be modified for any mx switch.. linear, or tactile
If you decide you'd like a different switch, you can easily swap them out without desoldering.
Egdxs' split-design also accomodates people with broad shoulders whose arms are further apart
The HHKB... is derivative, and is quite simply the least common denominator in design, and it performs no better or worse than any other rectangular keyboard..
The only thing that makes it special is like you've said, it's "made in japan"... If being a weeaboo is all ur after... mission accomplished..
But to those who actually want to extract every ounce of knowledge and science out of the keyboarding hobby, to go BEYOND simple ownership and materialistic acquisition of trophies..
The path towards KEYBOARD zen is only revealed to those who are willing to rethink traditions and minimize their ancestral hoarding.
Hmm I thought this thread said "HHKB Pro 2" in the title...must be some sort of joke though. Can we talk more about the Ergodox?
The difference between an Egdx and the HHKB rectangle is NOT a matter of preference..
Egdx is fully programmable
It conforms to the shape of ones hand
It conforms to the natural resting angle of ones wrists
It can be modified for any mx switch.. linear, or tactile
If you decide you'd like a different switch, you can easily swap them out without desoldering.
Egdxs' split-design also accomodates people with broad shoulders whose arms are further apart
The HHKB... is derivative, and is quite simply the least common denominator in design, and it performs no better or worse than any other rectangular keyboard..
The only thing that makes it special is like you've said, it's "made in japan"... If being a weeaboo is all ur after... mission accomplished..
But to those who actually want to extract every ounce of knowledge and science out of the keyboarding hobby, to go BEYOND simple ownership and materialistic acquisition of trophies..
The path towards KEYBOARD zen is only revealed to those who are willing to rethink traditions and minimize their ancestral hoarding.
Hmm I thought this thread said "HHKB Pro 2" in the title...must be some sort of joke though. Can we talk more about the Ergodox?
sure.. pm me if you like..
This thread is about HHKB mixed feelings.. and I am using Egdx as an example as to WHY.. It does not possess any innovative features that would put it much above what the OP already had.Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/a/b/aboishappyplz.gif?1)
The difference between an Egdx and the HHKB rectangle is NOT a matter of preference..
Egdx is fully programmable
It conforms to the shape of ones hand
It conforms to the natural resting angle of ones wrists
It can be modified for any mx switch.. linear, or tactile
If you decide you'd like a different switch, you can easily swap them out without desoldering.
Egdxs' split-design also accomodates people with broad shoulders whose arms are further apart
The HHKB... is derivative, and is quite simply the least common denominator in design, and it performs no better or worse than any other rectangular keyboard..
The only thing that makes it special is like you've said, it's "made in japan"... If being a weeaboo is all ur after... mission accomplished..
But to those who actually want to extract every ounce of knowledge and science out of the keyboarding hobby, to go BEYOND simple ownership and materialistic acquisition of trophies..
The path towards KEYBOARD zen is only revealed to those who are willing to rethink traditions and minimize their ancestral hoarding.
Hmm I thought this thread said "HHKB Pro 2" in the title...must be some sort of joke though. Can we talk more about the Ergodox?
sure.. pm me if you like..
This thread is about HHKB mixed feelings.. and I am using Egdx as an example as to WHY.. It does not possess any innovative features that would put it much above what the OP already had.Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/a/b/aboishappyplz.gif?1)
the missed sarcasm... :-\
also not-haha, master-race is a nazi term (really it really actually really is. really)
No it's not. It's a wrong translation by Americans who have absolutely no idea what went on in Europe during WW2.
dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race
Yes. Like I said, a wrong translation. Also: sourcing info from wikipedia, classy lul.
Ergodox
Ok. I've received my HHKB Pro 2.
Just my initial impressions of it.
What I'm experiencing so far, you can put me under the "HHKB Pro 2 Mixed Feelings" category lol.
I got mine yesterday and pretty much love everything about it. What do you have mixed feelings about?
Ok. I've received my HHKB Pro 2.
Just my initial impressions of it.
What I'm experiencing so far, you can put me under the "HHKB Pro 2 Mixed Feelings" category lol.
I got mine yesterday and pretty much love everything about it. What do you have mixed feelings about?
The key feel is great but I'm getting tripped constantly by the layout.
Ok. I've received my HHKB Pro 2.
Just my initial impressions of it.
What I'm experiencing so far, you can put me under the "HHKB Pro 2 Mixed Feelings" category lol.
I got mine yesterday and pretty much love everything about it. What do you have mixed feelings about?
The key feel is great but I'm getting tripped constantly by the layout.
You will get used to it :)
Ok. I've received my HHKB Pro 2.
Just my initial impressions of it.
What I'm experiencing so far, you can put me under the "HHKB Pro 2 Mixed Feelings" category lol.
I got mine yesterday and pretty much love everything about it. What do you have mixed feelings about?
The key feel is great but I'm getting tripped constantly by the layout.
You will get used to it :)
And just as you get used to it, you will, for some reason, have to use a conventional layout keyboard and everytime you try to backspace you will get \\\\\\\
You'll keep turning caps lock on trying to get ctrl characters.
The difference between an Egdx and the HHKB rectangle is NOT a matter of preference..If it isn't then you are saying that all HHKB owners prefer HHKB is because of some other reason because of preference? weaboo? brand name? price? Topre? etc?
Egdx is fully programmablehasu has TMK firmware for HHKB, that doesn't make HHKB more programmable?
It conforms to the shape of ones handIt (ErgoDox) was designed to conform ergonomics, not exactly portability/minimalism which was what HHKB was after. That is why GeekHack has a separate forum for ergonomics, that is why Lexmark had M15, that is why there are other manufacturers whom have made ergonomic keyboards of sorts. The only reason is because there is a need for those who wants an ergonomic keyboard not because it was portable/minimalistic.
It conforms to the natural resting angle of ones wrists
It can be modified for any mx switch.. linear, or tactile
If you decide you'd like a different switch, you can easily swap them out without desoldering.You can't easily change that on Topre switches because it was based on a fundamentally different design of the switch. Again nobody said you cannot swap the rubber domes out to make the feel heavier, etc. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! you don't even need to desolder as well, only a set of screw drivers and donor rubber domes to swap out Topre switches.
Egdxs' split-design also accomodates people with broad shoulders whose arms are further apart
The HHKB... is derivative, and is quite simply the least common denominator in design, and it performs no better or worse than any other rectangular keyboard..
The only thing that makes it special is like you've said, it's "made in japan"... If being a weeaboo is all ur after... mission accomplished..Never really after weaboo status, there is a more fundamental reason which if I were to go explain it would be roughly another "wall of text" full of it.
But to those who actually want to extract every ounce of knowledge and science out of the keyboarding hobby, to go BEYOND simple ownership and materialistic acquisition of trophies..
The path towards KEYBOARD zen is only revealed to those who are willing to rethink traditions and minimize their ancestral hoarding.Everyone has different approach to what they want in life. It is wrong to impose one ideal method that suits of particularly one or more than a handful of people onto the rest of us. Sure in your ideal world maybe ErgoDox should be the main keyboard that every kid would crave for and every person would buy when they can, not in mine and not in reality.
The HHKB has me so torn right now. Can't decide whether I want a black or white one for home
Tuxsavvy, what exactly classifies the HHKB as mechanical to you? As far as I am concerned it is not, by the definition used for Cherry switches.
Tuxsavvy, what exactly classifies the HHKB as mechanical to you? As far as I am concerned it is not, by the definition used for Cherry switches.
Umm i would say that the sliders make it slightly mechanical
Yeah to Cherry switches or other mechanical keyboards Topre switches does not really seem to have much going for the fact that it is a mechanical keyboard. Initially (this was the perception I had about half a year ago) it was because wikipedia partially hinted (on a note of related information for relevance) that HHKB is.Tuxsavvy, what exactly classifies the HHKB as mechanical to you? As far as I am concerned it is not, by the definition used for Cherry switches.
Umm i would say that the sliders make it slightly mechanical
So having another piece touch the dome makes it mechanical? What about BTC rubber domes (http://deskthority.net/wiki/BTC_dome_with_slider)? Those have sliders.
I would call the HHKB a capacitive keyboard, not a mechanical one.
Ok. I've received my HHKB Pro 2.
Just my initial impressions of it.
What I'm experiencing so far, you can put me under the "HHKB Pro 2 Mixed Feelings" category lol.
I got mine yesterday and pretty much love everything about it. What do you have mixed feelings about?
The key feel is great but I'm getting tripped constantly by the layout.
You will get used to it :)
And just as you get used to it, you will, for some reason, have to use a conventional layout keyboard and everytime you try to backspace you will get \\\\\\\
You'll keep turning caps lock on trying to get ctrl characters.
The difference between an Egdx and the HHKB rectangle is NOT a matter of preference..If it isn't then you are saying that all HHKB owners prefer HHKB is because of some other reason because of preference? weaboo? brand name? price? Topre? etc?Egdx is fully programmablehasu has TMK firmware for HHKB, that doesn't make HHKB more programmable?It conforms to the shape of ones handIt (ErgoDox) was designed to conform ergonomics, not exactly portability/minimalism which was what HHKB was after. That is why GeekHack has a separate forum for ergonomics, that is why Lexmark had M15, that is why there are other manufacturers whom have made ergonomic keyboards of sorts. The only reason is because there is a need for those who wants an ergonomic keyboard not because it was portable/minimalistic.
If one wants to compare something more ergonomic, they need to compare against μTron. Not HHKB. Comparing HHKB to ErgoDox is almost like comparing apples and oranges.It conforms to the natural resting angle of ones wrists
Again ErgoDox has that upper hand due to the fact that it was targeting people who desire ergonomics, not necessarily portability and/or minimalism.
If you want to talk about ergonomic, talk about the likes of alphagrip (http://www.alphagrips.com/), datahand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataHand), various other chorded keyboard like the BAT keyboard (http://www.answers.com/topic/bat-keyboard), etc. There are many suitable candidates for ErgoDox to compete against with not HHKB. HHKB was never really intended for ergonomics.It can be modified for any mx switch.. linear, or tactile
It is not like one can't change the rubber domes on the HHKB to make it light, heavier or varied. Sure Cherry MX range is all about customisation and Topre isn't exactly flexible simply because the way it was designed.
If one wants to have the layout of the HHKB but prefer it using Cherry MX format. There is always GH60 (http://ctrlaltgroupbuy.com/buys/geekhack-60) which ended about a month ago which is a bit of a sad thing from Cherry MX perspective because it only existed as a GB option, not that one can simply for instance walk into the shop and pick up a GH60.
When I am referring to GH60 I am referring to a design none other than this which hopefully can refresh one's memory:Show Image(http://ctrlaltgroupbuy.com/uploads/buy_image/image/11/da3a9d7006e6ef8fb0142598633828dd.png)If you decide you'd like a different switch, you can easily swap them out without desoldering.You can't easily change that on Topre switches because it was based on a fundamentally different design of the switch. Again nobody said you cannot swap the rubber domes out to make the feel heavier, etc. BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! you don't even need to desolder as well, only a set of screw drivers and donor rubber domes to swap out Topre switches.
ONCE AGAIN there is things like GH60 for instance if one wants Cherry MX equivalent of HHKB. No?Egdxs' split-design also accomodates people with broad shoulders whose arms are further apart
Talk about ergonomics again, which is comparing apples and oranges.The HHKB... is derivative, and is quite simply the least common denominator in design, and it performs no better or worse than any other rectangular keyboard..
I never proclaimed HHKB as being any better or worse than rectangular keyboard. It is an old design that PFU has been peddling for awhile before the likes of ErgoDox came along. If one wants to add more fuel to the fire, comparing apples against with oranges.
ErgoDox (at this current stage) does not come pre-made, it is still a D-I-Y kit. ErgoDox is pretty much more or less like any other GB which involves interests and money pooling before such an idea would become viable.
HHKB is already made manufactured product which one does NOT need to pool money in for an idea. It does not require any soldering work of any sort unless if one wants to make modifications. HHKB unlike ErgoDox can be picked up from stores ready made, and ready to use. Comparing HHKB to ErgoDox is like comparing one's preference to a pre-built car against kit car. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN TASTE.. no? do you want to start splitting hairs over preferences with premade stuff versus D-I-Y like you did by pitting HHKB against ErgoDox?The only thing that makes it special is like you've said, it's "made in japan"... If being a weeaboo is all ur after... mission accomplished..Never really after weaboo status, there is a more fundamental reason which if I were to go explain it would be roughly another "wall of text" full of it.But to those who actually want to extract every ounce of knowledge and science out of the keyboarding hobby, to go BEYOND simple ownership and materialistic acquisition of trophies..
Not everyone wants to pour money into making a perfect keyboard. Not everyone necessarily would share a keyboard hobby like this forum for instance. There are no trophies for materialistic acquisition. The final product is of the product itself.
What I personally am happy is that HHKB is not some vaporware, ErgoDox isn't vaporware as well but ErgoDox STILL cannot be purchased from any chain branded electronic shops. HHKB, sure is heavily surrounded within SE Asia but that does not mean you can't walk into any electronic store in Japan for instance and not see HHKB for sale.
There are plenty of cool projects which never got materialised and remains vaporware. Clearly neither HHKB nor ErgoDox fit into the category of being as such one of them. However HHKB has been around LONGER than ErgoDox.The path towards KEYBOARD zen is only revealed to those who are willing to rethink traditions and minimize their ancestral hoarding.Everyone has different approach to what they want in life. It is wrong to impose one ideal method that suits of particularly one or more than a handful of people onto the rest of us. Sure in your ideal world maybe ErgoDox should be the main keyboard that every kid would crave for and every person would buy when they can, not in mine and not in reality.
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As far as I know, the spring in Topre switches only used to provide the change in capacitance, which changes as the spring is depressed. I believe someone experimented by removing the spring - the switch felt exactly the same but did not register.
I guess what it really comes down to is that the term mechanical keyboard is kind of loosely defined.
Portability and minimalism...
NOT attributes to be considered...
It is inconvenient to carry an "extra" keyboard around... then everytime you use it, you gotta PLUG IT IN... and when you leave,, you gotta do the whole shtick over again...
MOST people who claim to do this, STOP after the first few times... it's too much commitment for virtually no gain..
The HHKB is like women wearing uncomfortable shoes... Except instead of silly women, you have silly n00b weeaboos...
Portability and minimalism...
NOT attributes to be considered...
It is inconvenient to carry an "extra" keyboard around... then everytime you use it, you gotta PLUG IT IN... and when you leave,, you gotta do the whole shtick over again...
MOST people who claim to do this, STOP after the first few times... it's too much commitment for virtually no gain..
The HHKB is like women wearing uncomfortable shoes... Except instead of silly women, you have silly n00b weeaboos...
When I am referring to GH60 I am referring to a design none other than this which hopefully can refresh one's memory:Show Image(http://ctrlaltgroupbuy.com/uploads/buy_image/image/11/da3a9d7006e6ef8fb0142598633828dd.png)
Portability and minimalism...
NOT attributes to be considered...
It is inconvenient to carry an "extra" keyboard around... then everytime you use it, you gotta PLUG IT IN... and when you leave,, you gotta do the whole shtick over again...
MOST people who claim to do this, STOP after the first few times... it's too much commitment for virtually no gain..
The HHKB is like women wearing uncomfortable shoes... Except instead of silly women, you have silly n00b weeaboos...
Unless it is not secure to leave a keyboard somewhere overnight. E.g. at some work places an expensive keyboard might go missing.
When I am referring to GH60 I am referring to a design none other than this which hopefully can refresh one's memory:Show Image(http://ctrlaltgroupbuy.com/uploads/buy_image/image/11/da3a9d7006e6ef8fb0142598633828dd.png)
I'd love to see this set on my HHKB!
So, I just received the HHKB Pro 2 in the mail, and not that thrilled with it so far. The topre switches definitely are unique compared to cherry mx switches, but it feels too much like a rubberdome to me. I've been using it for about an hour so far total, but I don't know if more time will make it feel that much better.
I think...the hype got to me and I set my expectations way too high. :( I'm just a cherry person.
So, I just received the HHKB Pro 2 in the mail, and not that thrilled with it so far. The topre switches definitely are unique compared to cherry mx switches, but it feels too much like a rubberdome to me. I've been using it for about an hour so far total, but I don't know if more time will make it feel that much better.
I think...the hype got to me and I set my expectations way too high. :( I'm just a cherry person.
Well, the good news is that you can easily make your money back my reselling it :D. Maybe you'll lose on the cost of shipping, but I'd probably pay $15 to play with an HHKB for a day…
So, I just received the HHKB Pro 2 in the mail, and not that thrilled with it so far. The topre switches definitely are unique compared to cherry mx switches, but it feels too much like a rubberdome to me. I've been using it for about an hour so far total, but I don't know if more time will make it feel that much better.
I think...the hype got to me and I set my expectations way too high. :( I'm just a cherry person.
So, I just received the HHKB Pro 2 in the mail, and not that thrilled with it so far. The topre switches definitely are unique compared to cherry mx switches, but it feels too much like a rubberdome to me. I've been using it for about an hour so far total, but I don't know if more time will make it feel that much better.
I think...the hype got to me and I set my expectations way too high. :( I'm just a cherry person.
Well, the good news is that you can easily make your money back my reselling it :D. Maybe you'll lose on the cost of shipping, but I'd probably pay $15 to play with an HHKB for a day…
Yea I know exactly what Beca is feeling.. it's not a huge problem.. perhaps it will even grow on you... just be weary that it may be the "need" to justify the cost of the product which ultimately convert you, rather than the product itself..
Whatever happens in the end though... as long as YOU feel happy about it.. $300 isn't really that much money one way or the other.. so.. sigh.. I guess even with all my advice and comparison.. if it's happiness we're after.. then so be it..
So, I just received the HHKB Pro 2 in the mail, and not that thrilled with it so far. The topre switches definitely are unique compared to cherry mx switches, but it feels too much like a rubberdome to me. I've been using it for about an hour so far total, but I don't know if more time will make it feel that much better.
I think...the hype got to me and I set my expectations way too high. :( I'm just a cherry person.
Well, the good news is that you can easily make your money back my reselling it :D. Maybe you'll lose on the cost of shipping, but I'd probably pay $15 to play with an HHKB for a day…
Yea I know exactly what Beca is feeling.. it's not a huge problem.. perhaps it will even grow on you... just be weary that it may be the "need" to justify the cost of the product which ultimately convert you, rather than the product itself..
Whatever happens in the end though... as long as YOU feel happy about it.. $300 isn't really that much money one way or the other.. so.. sigh.. I guess even with all my advice and comparison.. if it's happiness we're after.. then so be it..
yeah, guess i'll just type on it for a bit, then sell if it I still don't feel that satisfied. it's my most expensive keyboard purchase to date as well which doesn't help haha. do you have an HHKB?
@riotonthebay: i love the resale values on keyboards, i don't think $15 is too bad for getting to try out a switch at all. i'll probably let this go for $200 shipped if i end up still not liking it.
@1pq: i've read that a lot, but i''m pretty impatient when it comes to keyboards :eek:; I honestly kind of like it, but i am weighing it against how much i paid for the keyboard itself. the keyboard is so cute and tiny but i think that i would prefer a realforce cause i kind of miss my arrow keys, haha.
i would try this out on league, but it's down right now :(
@1pq: i've read that a lot, but i''m pretty impatient when it comes to keyboards :eek:; I honestly kind of like it, but i am weighing it against how much i paid for the keyboard itself. the keyboard is so cute and tiny but i think that i would prefer a realforce cause i kind of miss my arrow keys, haha.
i would try this out on league, but it's down right now :(
I never had an hhkb, I've had the poker and the 87u, that was when I first became highly critical of the Topre fanboi crowd... it really wasn't that i lost money on the purchase..
It was cuz those fanbois let me down....
People said blue switches weren't that great for gaming either but they were fine for me! I'm not really the person to mash on a button consistently though.@1pq: i've read that a lot, but i''m pretty impatient when it comes to keyboards :eek:; I honestly kind of like it, but i am weighing it against how much i paid for the keyboard itself. the keyboard is so cute and tiny but i think that i would prefer a realforce cause i kind of miss my arrow keys, haha.
i would try this out on league, but it's down right now :(
Don't get your hopes up about it for league. Gaming on topre switches (IMO) is definitely sub-par.
It really depends on what things you're going to be doing. If you do a lot of coding/gaming, where quick, accurate key presses are common, then you may not enjoy topre. If you're a writer, or do a lot of writing (not code, but it could be emails, GH posts, you name it) I find topre to be the best. Personally, I like to bottom out fairly hard on topre (for the thock). Bottoming out too softly is less satisfying. If you try bottoming out hard, you might befriend the magically thock more quickly... ;D
I never had an hhkb, I've had the poker and the 87u, that was when I first became highly critical of the Topre fanboi crowd... it really wasn't that i lost money on the purchase..
It was cuz those fanbois let me down....
This is pretty funny considering how much you criticize the HHKB
People said blue switches weren't that great for gaming either but they were fine for me! I'm not really the person to mash on a button consistently though.@1pq: i've read that a lot, but i''m pretty impatient when it comes to keyboards :eek:; I honestly kind of like it, but i am weighing it against how much i paid for the keyboard itself. the keyboard is so cute and tiny but i think that i would prefer a realforce cause i kind of miss my arrow keys, haha.
i would try this out on league, but it's down right now :(
Don't get your hopes up about it for league. Gaming on topre switches (IMO) is definitely sub-par.
It really depends on what things you're going to be doing. If you do a lot of coding/gaming, where quick, accurate key presses are common, then you may not enjoy topre. If you're a writer, or do a lot of writing (not code, but it could be emails, GH posts, you name it) I find topre to be the best. Personally, I like to bottom out fairly hard on topre (for the thock). Bottoming out too softly is less satisfying. If you try bottoming out hard, you might befriend the magically thock more quickly... ;D
honestly, i'm just underwhelmed with the switches so far. I think i'm just a clack kind of person rather than a thock one, haha.
for sure, thanks for the advice!People said blue switches weren't that great for gaming either but they were fine for me! I'm not really the person to mash on a button consistently though.@1pq: i've read that a lot, but i''m pretty impatient when it comes to keyboards :eek:; I honestly kind of like it, but i am weighing it against how much i paid for the keyboard itself. the keyboard is so cute and tiny but i think that i would prefer a realforce cause i kind of miss my arrow keys, haha.
i would try this out on league, but it's down right now :(
Don't get your hopes up about it for league. Gaming on topre switches (IMO) is definitely sub-par.
It really depends on what things you're going to be doing. If you do a lot of coding/gaming, where quick, accurate key presses are common, then you may not enjoy topre. If you're a writer, or do a lot of writing (not code, but it could be emails, GH posts, you name it) I find topre to be the best. Personally, I like to bottom out fairly hard on topre (for the thock). Bottoming out too softly is less satisfying. If you try bottoming out hard, you might befriend the magically thock more quickly... ;D
honestly, i'm just underwhelmed with the switches so far. I think i'm just a clack kind of person rather than a thock one, haha.
Whatever floats your boat--all I'm saying is to make sure you sufficiently test 'em out before you forgo topre forever. Typing on them now, I enjoy it soooo much more than that first day/week/month.
People said blue switches weren't that great for gaming either but they were fine for me! I'm not really the person to mash on a button consistently though.@1pq: i've read that a lot, but i''m pretty impatient when it comes to keyboards :eek:; I honestly kind of like it, but i am weighing it against how much i paid for the keyboard itself. the keyboard is so cute and tiny but i think that i would prefer a realforce cause i kind of miss my arrow keys, haha.
i would try this out on league, but it's down right now :(
Don't get your hopes up about it for league. Gaming on topre switches (IMO) is definitely sub-par.
It really depends on what things you're going to be doing. If you do a lot of coding/gaming, where quick, accurate key presses are common, then you may not enjoy topre. If you're a writer, or do a lot of writing (not code, but it could be emails, GH posts, you name it) I find topre to be the best. Personally, I like to bottom out fairly hard on topre (for the thock). Bottoming out too softly is less satisfying. If you try bottoming out hard, you might befriend the magically thock more quickly... ;D
honestly, i'm just underwhelmed with the switches so far. I think i'm just a clack kind of person rather than a thock one, haha.
Whatever floats your boat--all I'm saying is to make sure you sufficiently test 'em out before you forgo topre forever. Typing on them now, I enjoy it soooo much more than that first day/week/month.
You misunderstand I criticize the topre fanbois.. general rectangular shape boards, and staggered..
You misunderstand I criticize the topre fanbois.. general rectangular shape boards, and staggered..
From your countless posts on topre threads, I think most people here already understand or through their searching will come to understand your opinion. It's a very fine opinion. There's nothing wrong with not liking topre/staggered boards. I just wish that you could post all of your love for the ergodox on ergodox threads, instead of derailing every topre thread on this forum with a dogmatic viewpoint that we've all heard from you. That doesn't help anybody.
I guess you must be a "Ergo Fanbois" with your own fantasy ideals but for me I'm perfectly happy with my rectangular and staggered Topre world.You misunderstand I criticize the topre fanbois.. general rectangular shape boards, and staggered..
From your countless posts on topre threads, I think most people here already understand or through their searching will come to understand your opinion. It's a very fine opinion. There's nothing wrong with not liking topre/staggered boards. I just wish that you could post all of your love for the ergodox on ergodox threads, instead of derailing every topre thread on this forum with a dogmatic viewpoint that we've all heard from you. That doesn't help anybody.
Not true... my insurrection is exactly what keeps people THINKING... and not falling for fanboism in the first place.Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
I guess you must be a "Ergo Fanbois" with your own fantasy ideals but for me I'm perfectly happy with my rectangular and staggered Topre world.You misunderstand I criticize the topre fanbois.. general rectangular shape boards, and staggered..
From your countless posts on topre threads, I think most people here already understand or through their searching will come to understand your opinion. It's a very fine opinion. There's nothing wrong with not liking topre/staggered boards. I just wish that you could post all of your love for the ergodox on ergodox threads, instead of derailing every topre thread on this forum with a dogmatic viewpoint that we've all heard from you. That doesn't help anybody.
Not true... my insurrection is exactly what keeps people THINKING... and not falling for fanboism in the first place.Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
People said blue switches weren't that great for gaming either but they were fine for me! I'm not really the person to mash on a button consistently though.
honestly, i'm just underwhelmed with the switches so far. I think i'm just a clack kind of person rather than a thock one, haha.
It is pointless to argue tp4tissue with even just logic. There is always alphagrip which tp4tissue would probably care less. Even chorded keyboards. Yeah sure, rectangular boards are dated and you (tp4tissue) are just grilling Topre simply because of the fact that they only came out in rectangular shapes. If there is ergonomic keyboard with Topre such as μTron you would dismiss it as ridiculously dated rectangular shape.
Looking closely at ErgoDox you can clearly see it still has resemblance to rectangular designs. It is not based off some completely different shape.
Even on this thread: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45854.msg1175577#msg1175577 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45854.msg1175577#msg1175577) it is blatently clear to see how much you loathe HHKB/Topre in general. Forget it tp4tissue, everyone can clearly see you are just a ErgoDox elitist even though you try to maintain your lopsided sense of "unbiasness". Maybe a new change to a title for you would be appropriate like how HHKB fans are named as such. This was somewhat a neutral thread before it went out of hand and now just another one of your smiting for HHKB hate and extremely biased ErgoDox fandom.
Anyone with a pair of eyes and brain can see what you are trying to imply, there is no need to hide your hatred. I have no qualms with ErgoDox in general but to just see someone rampaging on ErgoDox like as if every other keyboards (_minus_ alpha grip, _minus_ μTron, _minus_ chorded keyboards) like you is evident to see who is extremely biased. Plenty of other threads with keyboard discussions that has rectangular shapes such as old IBM Model M but you had to specifically point and pick out your hatred on Topre and HHKB being as such.
I am done, done arguing with ErgoDox elitist who cannot accept the taste of other people's and to smite ErgoDox like as if he himself was preaching bible.
Dat thread -- reading tp's "yo mama" post -- LMFAO!
At least he has stopped w/ the Topre bashing. It is probably because his argument used to be because of how it was priced (apparently you had to like it if you paid a lot for it) but with more Topre fans emerging because of the lower cost Topre keyboards (660c specifically) that is no longer a valid argument.
I think the ergodox is a great idea...but at the same time the reasons why I'm not getting it:
1. No Topre switches. Since I'd only get an ergodox for a work type machine where I use Topre and not Cherry, this would suck.
2. I have no issues w/ the current layout of keyboards. Thankfully I don't have any issues w/ my hands/fingers/wrists yet so I see no reason to change when I still have to deal w/ normal layouts regardless of having an ergodox at home.
I do recognize the better layout..the better ergonomics for your hands...the position of a lot of keys in the current standard layout is not great..it is just what we have..
Same reason why a lot don't switch to DVORAK or something similar..The layout is better but since you still have to live in a QWERTY world, you have to switch back and forth...and if you're happy w/ your speed on QWERTY, there just isn't a reason to switch...
At least he has stopped w/ the Topre bashing. It is probably because his argument used to be because of how it was priced (apparently you had to like it if you paid a lot for it) but with more Topre fans emerging because of the lower cost Topre keyboards (660c specifically) that is no longer a valid argument.
I think the ergodox is a great idea...but at the same time the reasons why I'm not getting it:
1. No Topre switches. Since I'd only get an ergodox for a work type machine where I use Topre and not Cherry, this would suck.
2. I have no issues w/ the current layout of keyboards. Thankfully I don't have any issues w/ my hands/fingers/wrists yet so I see no reason to change when I still have to deal w/ normal layouts regardless of having an ergodox at home.
I do recognize the better layout..the better ergonomics for your hands...the position of a lot of keys in the current standard layout is not great..it is just what we have..
Same reason why a lot don't switch to DVORAK or something similar..The layout is better but since you still have to live in a QWERTY world, you have to switch back and forth...and if you're happy w/ your speed on QWERTY, there just isn't a reason to switch...
Dat thread -- reading tp's "yo mama" post -- LMFAO!
That one seems to be pretty well controlled given the fact there was probably little grounds for tp4tissue to attack on.At least he has stopped w/ the Topre bashing. It is probably because his argument used to be because of how it was priced (apparently you had to like it if you paid a lot for it) but with more Topre fans emerging because of the lower cost Topre keyboards (660c specifically) that is no longer a valid argument.
I think the ergodox is a great idea...but at the same time the reasons why I'm not getting it:
1. No Topre switches. Since I'd only get an ergodox for a work type machine where I use Topre and not Cherry, this would suck.
2. I have no issues w/ the current layout of keyboards. Thankfully I don't have any issues w/ my hands/fingers/wrists yet so I see no reason to change when I still have to deal w/ normal layouts regardless of having an ergodox at home.
I do recognize the better layout..the better ergonomics for your hands...the position of a lot of keys in the current standard layout is not great..it is just what we have..
Same reason why a lot don't switch to DVORAK or something similar..The layout is better but since you still have to live in a QWERTY world, you have to switch back and forth...and if you're happy w/ your speed on QWERTY, there just isn't a reason to switch...
He hasn't quite completely stopped the Topre bashing, he is now just picking deliberately on HHKB (when there's bazillion other keyboards he could be spamming his hatred on).
I don't quite agree about the pricing structure for a few reasons:Then there are those Type Heaven when one wants a budget Topre board.
- Korean customs can cost just as much as HHKB, if not more.
- ErgoDox kit _alone_ can cost near that but because it was last available as a kit, getting ErgoDox made up so that it is like HHKB (as if one can purchase it in one piece and not bazillion) could cost similar to HHKB.
- Old school keyboards such as those based on buckling spring or old Cherry MX for instance such SSK, "kishsavers", etc. They can cost as much as HHKB if not more. Broken ones are generally an exception.
- As if to prove the point, μTron costs virtually double the amount of HHKB.
Surely he is now just nitpicking on HHKB in the very least but in heated/long winded arguments you can clearly see that he still loathes Topre.
ErgoDox for me would have been nice if one could purchase the complete board. I heard it was previously available on previous massdrop but the latest massdrop didn't seem to offer that service anymore. Right now I don't have any soldering equipment and I rather buy things as they were pre-built. It is not like one can never do up a bad ErgoDox which ruins their experience, this is why there is a market for pre-made stuff as well as those who loves to build them from kit. It is beyond me how one loves to make lopsided comparisons (like HHKB vs ErgoDox) when they are completely two different breeds altogether.
If one were serious about ergonomics, they wouldn't be investing in keyboard. They may just do away with voice dictation software. Alas voice dictation is still somewhat naive. Also augmented reality, keyboards that look like they were projected but instead seems to be floating in air. There is no need to worry about space, posture (as much) or even ideal hand positions. Surely a real ergonomic nut would think _any_ computer keyboard is really dated, let's not try and mull much about ErgoDox by then as it will take aim as being a relic device that spanned a few centuries only to be overcome by future technology. Like as said, there is also alpha grip which completely forgoes the design of almost every computer keyboard design currently out there.
That said, there are plenty of ways to "skin a cat". It is not like one cannot put on variable weights or actuations to lessen the burden of typing. Plenty of other designs that are tailored to make typing a less of a hassel exist. ErgoDox is not the only solution.