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Title: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: vElectrixx on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:06:20
I really dislike the feeling of the Cherry stabilizers on my new Ducky Shine 3. I'm known for bottoming out, but the stabilizers make it feel like I did not press the key all the way down. Is there anything I can do about them to make the keyboard nicer? Would it be safe to do something about the stabilizers entirely, ie removing them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:14:50
Seems like there have been a few complaints about these lately.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:31:24
I really dislike the feeling of the Cherry stabilizers on my new Ducky Shine 3. I'm known for bottoming out, but the stabilizers make it feel like I did not press the key all the way down. Is there anything I can do about them to make the keyboard nicer? Would it be safe to do something about the stabilizers entirely, ie removing them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Do this Mod.. it helps..

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34759.0
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:37:11
Also.. If you Sand .15mm off all sides of the stabilizer..(use a very fine grit) It should be much more robust..

The reason cherry stabs are sluggish.. is because the fit must be Near perfect for it to go down straight without getting crunched against the side of the housing.  if you remove some material from the sides, it will have more space wiggle and go down smoothly without pushing against the walls.

Do not remove material from the remaining 2x pointed nubs form the bottom.. that has to be there.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: vElectrixx on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:38:47
I really dislike the feeling of the Cherry stabilizers on my new Ducky Shine 3. I'm known for bottoming out, but the stabilizers make it feel like I did not press the key all the way down. Is there anything I can do about them to make the keyboard nicer? Would it be safe to do something about the stabilizers entirely, ie removing them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Do this Mod.. it helps..

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34759.0

I don't have any desolderers. Is there anything I can do to the switch without taking the keyboard itself apart?
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:38:53
Also.. If you Sand .15mm off all sides of the stabilizer..(use a very fine grit) It should be much more robust..

The reason cherry stabs are sluggish.. is because the fit must be Near perfect for it to go down straight without getting crunched against the side of the housing.  if you remove some material from the sides, it will have more space wiggle and go down smoothly without pushing against the walls.

Do not remove material from the remaining 2x pointed nubs form the bottom.. that has to be there.

These new ducky's already have clipped stabs.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: fourzeropooh on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:56:51
Also.. If you Sand .15mm off all sides of the stabilizer..(use a very fine grit) It should be much more robust..

The reason cherry stabs are sluggish.. is because the fit must be Near perfect for it to go down straight without getting crunched against the side of the housing.  if you remove some material from the sides, it will have more space wiggle and go down smoothly without pushing against the walls.

Do not remove material from the remaining 2x pointed nubs form the bottom.. that has to be there.

These new ducky's already have clipped stabs.

But who clipped them?
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: Suichoy on Tue, 24 December 2013, 17:58:40
Just out of curiosity, have you tried Costar stabilizers? Before I had tried both, I disliked Cherry stabilizers because they modified the feel of the keys but after trying Costar stabilizers, I began to appreciate how solid and stable the cherry stabilizers feel. Now they are my clear favorite.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:01:53
Also.. If you Sand .15mm off all sides of the stabilizer..(use a very fine grit) It should be much more robust..

The reason cherry stabs are sluggish.. is because the fit must be Near perfect for it to go down straight without getting crunched against the side of the housing.  if you remove some material from the sides, it will have more space wiggle and go down smoothly without pushing against the walls.

Do not remove material from the remaining 2x pointed nubs form the bottom.. that has to be there.

These new ducky's already have clipped stabs.

But who clipped them?

Factory
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: 1pq on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:02:49
Just out of curiosity, have you tried Co-Star stabilizers? Before I had tried both, I disliked Cherry stabilizers because they modified the feel of the keys but after trying Co-Star stabilizers, I began to appreciate how solid and stable the cherry stabilizers feel. Now they are my clear favorite.

Hmm, that's interesting. Most people here seem to prefer costar stabs. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else prefers the cherry ones.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:08:19
Just out of curiosity, have you tried Co-Star stabilizers? Before I had tried both, I disliked Cherry stabilizers because they modified the feel of the keys but after trying Co-Star stabilizers, I began to appreciate how solid and stable the cherry stabilizers feel. Now they are my clear favorite.

Hmm, that's interesting. Most people here seem to prefer costar stabs. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else prefers the cherry ones.

I hate costar stabilizers.

There are plenty of other people who prefer cherry stabs.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:08:46
Just out of curiosity, have you tried Co-Star stabilizers? Before I had tried both, I disliked Cherry stabilizers because they modified the feel of the keys but after trying Co-Star stabilizers, I began to appreciate how solid and stable the cherry stabilizers feel. Now they are my clear favorite.

Hmm, that's interesting. Most people here seem to prefer costar stabs. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else prefers the cherry ones.

I hate costar stabilizers.

There are plenty of other people who prefer cherry stabs.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: Shikarikato on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:09:26
Just out of curiosity, have you tried Co-Star stabilizers? Before I had tried both, I disliked Cherry stabilizers because they modified the feel of the keys but after trying Co-Star stabilizers, I began to appreciate how solid and stable the cherry stabilizers feel. Now they are my clear favorite.

Hmm, that's interesting. Most people here seem to prefer costar stabs. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else prefers the cherry ones.
I have a DS2 w/ Browns and I like the feel of the keys with stabilizers more than my QFR w/ Blues. Maybe I just like Browns so much more that it's affecting my choice, but my DS2's stabs feel so much better than my QFR's.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 24 December 2013, 18:12:31
Ducky claims to have made the stabs better.... Therefore they kind of suck, but you do get used to it. It's really mushy to me... Use them for a while and will get better.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: vElectrixx on Tue, 24 December 2013, 21:59:10
Ducky claims to have made the stabs better.... Therefore they kind of suck, but you do get used to it. It's really mushy to me... Use them for a while and will get better.

I guess I'll live with that then. I've been using costar styabilizers my entire life, so these cherry stabilizers feel very off/uncomfortable/mushy/heavy. My natural keyboard movements make me want to bottom out all keys, and the stabilizers make the key feel not bottomed out. Therefore I press the key with a lot more force than I really should.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: terran5992 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 01:01:19
Is it possible to switch out the cherry stabs for costar?
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: xandr on Wed, 25 December 2013, 02:40:29
I have cherry stabs in my Ducky Mini and I totally like them. The whole board feels so much more sturdy and responsive than both my Matias - granted it's also Alps vs. Cherry MX, but I totally prefer the all-cherry-construction.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: terran5992 on Wed, 25 December 2013, 03:16:07
I have cherry stabs in my Ducky Mini and I totally like them. The whole board feels so much more sturdy and responsive than both my Matias - granted it's also Alps vs. Cherry MX, but I totally prefer the all-cherry-construction.

Really? i didnt know people actually liked cherry stabalizers
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 25 December 2013, 04:25:28
My first modern mechanical board was a Ducky Shine (version 1) with MX blues.  I must admit that in retrospect, the stabilisers do feel a bit mushy.

I also have a couple of board with Costar stabilisers, and these do feel smoother.

But my boards with Cherry stabilisers are not as bad as a lot of people make out.  I type fairly heavily (and found that I prefer MX blacks and greens), so maybe I just over-press my way past any mushiness with the Cherry stabilisers.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 25 December 2013, 10:54:31
I also vastly prefer Cherry stabs. Costar annoy the hell out of me, always so noisy rattly and putting keycaps back on with those fiddly inserts pisses me off.
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 25 December 2013, 10:55:14
I also vastly prefer Cherry stabs. Costar annoy the hell out of me, always so noisy rattly and putting keycaps back on with those fiddly inserts pisses me off.

This 1000x
Title: Re: Cherry Stabilizer problems
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 25 December 2013, 16:23:40
In their favour, Costar stabilisers are more tolerant of non-straight keycaps, especially space bar.