Damn I only have 1.5gb and a 1gb. I just bought my wife a 2gb though. i use wd but i got her seagate, thats what she likes.
From what I've heard, Reds are just Greens with a stable rotation rate and ensured reliability because NAS, so if you need ensured reliability, then I'd guess Reds are your best option.
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
that $60 gets you a drive that performs 15% better and comes with a warranty lasting 3 years longer. I'd say well worth it, especially when it comes to something like hard drives.
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
that $60 gets you a drive that performs 15% better and comes with a warranty lasting 3 years longer. I'd say well worth it, especially when it comes to something like hard drives.
And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
my caviar black died within 6 months of owning it :(
my spinpoint has been going strong for 3 years now
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
that $60 gets you a drive that performs 15% better and comes with a warranty lasting 3 years longer. I'd say well worth it, especially when it comes to something like hard drives.
And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
Where are you getting that he has a budget besides "duh, everyone has a budget"? He also asks for other suggestions. We complied.
And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
The topic is "Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive" so telling him he has to spend $60 to get a not "terrible terrible" hard drive is doing exactly what he's asking us to do if his budget really is strict.
The Western Digital black series is, of course, a very good hard drive but I feel that it would be wasted as a media storage drive.
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
that $60 gets you a drive that performs 15% better and comes with a warranty lasting 3 years longer. I'd say well worth it, especially when it comes to something like hard drives.
And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
Where are you getting that he has a budget besides "duh, everyone has a budget"? He also asks for other suggestions. We complied.And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
The topic is "Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive" so telling him he has to spend $60 to get a not "terrible terrible" hard drive is doing exactly what he's asking us to do if his budget really is strict.
He also has:QuoteThe Western Digital black series is, of course, a very good hard drive but I feel that it would be wasted as a media storage drive.
Suggesting a drive he's already ruled out isn't giving him additional suggestions.
Toshiba has a very bad reputation when it comes to consumer hard drives.
Any insights on which drive to pick or any other suggestions?
Thanks.
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
that $60 gets you a drive that performs 15% better and comes with a warranty lasting 3 years longer. I'd say well worth it, especially when it comes to something like hard drives.
And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
Where are you getting that he has a budget besides "duh, everyone has a budget"? He also asks for other suggestions. We complied.And that could be $60 he doesn't have to spare right now. If I had $130 to spend on a hard drive, I could care less about what $60 more gets me.
He has a budget, and he's asking for which of the four drives he's already picked out.
The topic is "Stop me from buying a Terrible Terrible Hard Drive" so telling him he has to spend $60 to get a not "terrible terrible" hard drive is doing exactly what he's asking us to do if his budget really is strict.
He also has:QuoteThe Western Digital black series is, of course, a very good hard drive but I feel that it would be wasted as a media storage drive.
Suggesting a drive he's already ruled out isn't giving him additional suggestions.
You mean like how he did here:
Toshiba has a very bad reputation when it comes to consumer hard drives.
Any insights on which drive to pick or any other suggestions?
Thanks.
But still has it on the list? Maybe tone down the sanctimony
Get the WD Red.
It's designed to be at constant use at cost far less than enterprise drives. It is not crap, anyone who says that doesn't know what they are talking about at all.
You don't need speed. What you are doing doesn't require speed. This will be fast enough.
I have a bunch of Reds that I use in that same way in a RAID 5 format. I have some blacks in the same config which have failed twice; this is not a statistic however.
Get the WD Red.
It's designed to be at constant use at cost far less than enterprise drives. It is not crap, anyone who says that doesn't know what they are talking about at all.
You don't need speed. What you are doing doesn't require speed. This will be fast enough.
I have a bunch of Reds that I use in that same way in a RAID 5 format. I have some blacks in the same config which have failed twice; this is not a statistic however.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/ (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/)
just because you're using a hard drive optimized for RAID performance, doesn't mean it's the one-stop end to all hard drives.
Like I said earlier, Red drives are not meant for one-off storage devices, they are for NAS devices (which employ RAID in case you didn't know).
Considering it's optimized for RAID, which requires stability, I'd say they'd serve pretty well for media storage drives, which requires stability, albeit less so than RAID.
Get the WD Red.
It's designed to be at constant use at cost far less than enterprise drives. It is not crap, anyone who says that doesn't know what they are talking about at all.
You don't need speed. What you are doing doesn't require speed. This will be fast enough.
I have a bunch of Reds that I use in that same way in a RAID 5 format. I have some blacks in the same config which have failed twice; this is not a statistic however.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/ (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/desktop/)
just because you're using a hard drive optimized for RAID performance, doesn't mean it's the one-stop end to all hard drives.
Like I said earlier, Red drives are not meant for one-off storage devices, they are for NAS devices (which employ RAID in case you didn't know).
Considering it's optimized for RAID, which requires stability, I'd say they'd serve pretty well for media storage drives, which requires stability, albeit less so than RAID.
That is the most retarded chain of logic I've ever seen...
That's like putting ice tires on your car, then driving on the ice, where they obviously work, then recommending ice tires to your friend in florida because they worked so well for you.
Considering it's optimized for RAID, which requires stability, I'd say they'd serve pretty well for media storage drives, which requires stability, albeit less so than RAID.
That is the most retarded chain of logic I've ever seen...
That's like putting ice tires on your car, then driving on the ice, where they obviously work, then recommending ice tires to your friend in florida because they worked so well for you.
Considering it's optimized for RAID, which requires stability, I'd say they'd serve pretty well for media storage drives, which requires stability, albeit less so than RAID.
That is the most retarded chain of logic I've ever seen...
That's like putting ice tires on your car, then driving on the ice, where they obviously work, then recommending ice tires to your friend in florida because they worked so well for you.
+1
Just get a caviar black
The extra $60 is worth it
Mine is still running like new after almost 2 years,
Not being it RAID has nothing to do with it. It'll do just as well in JBOD config. It's design to be low heat and high longevity. This is what it'll do.
WD touted the following main points
Less aggressive head parking (no IntelliPark feature)
Configurable Time Limited Error Recovery (TLER), with a default of 7 seconds
IntelliPower disk rotation speeds (comparable to Green drives)
Vibration reduction mechanism in hardware
3-Yr. warranty and 24x7 phone support
That is the most retarded chain of logic I've ever seen...
That's like putting ice tires on your car, then driving on the ice, where they obviously work, then recommending ice tires to your friend in florida because they worked so well for you.
HDDs != tires
A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison, the same as another otherwise unrelated object.
All I can say is that's what the Reds are designed for: Low heat and high longevity.
That said: I would never set up a media server and not have it in RAID. Every disk will fail. It doesn't matter who made it. It doesn't matter how much it cost. It doesn't matter what it's firmware is. Every disk will fail.
If you have data that matter on a disk put it in RAID.
PLEASE show me a source for this, stop using something with no backing as one of the main points of your argument.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html
PLEASE show me a source for this, stop using something with no backing as one of the main points of your argument.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices)
Google.
I didn't bother posting this stuff because the OP is asking advise from people that know what they are talking about. Not for people to google stuff for them.
Done.
both of your links, there is mention of low heat ONCE in the articles (bhphoto). and twice in the comments (toms hardware)
PLEASE show me a source for this, stop using something with no backing as one of the main points of your argument.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices
Google.
I didn't bother posting this stuff because the OP is asking advise from people that know what they are talking about. Not for people to google stuff for them.
Done.
Western Digital's Red family is positioned in between the desktop and nearline drives. They're meant neither for typical desktop usage nor for large 19-inch rack-mounted servers. Instead, they’re being aimed at home office and small office network-attached storage appliances.
This innovative line of SATA hard drives is specifically designed for home and small office network attached storage (NAS) enclosures with one to five drive bays.
PLEASE show me a source for this, stop using something with no backing as one of the main points of your argument.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices)
Google.
I didn't bother posting this stuff because the OP is asking advise from people that know what they are talking about. Not for people to google stuff for them.
Done.
Tomshardware:QuoteWestern Digital's Red family is positioned in between the desktop and nearline drives. They're meant neither for typical desktop usage nor for large 19-inch rack-mounted servers. Instead, they’re being aimed at home office and small office network-attached storage appliances.
bhphotovideo is cool with the thermal camera, but by only saying "competitor" makes me believe they picked a worst-case scenario. I'd like to see them compare it to other WD drives, or at least say what the drive really is.
andQuoteThis innovative line of SATA hard drives is specifically designed for home and small office network attached storage (NAS) enclosures with one to five drive bays.
PLEASE show me a source for this, stop using something with no backing as one of the main points of your argument.http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/red-wd20efrx-wd30efrx-nas,3248.html)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/hands-reviews/western-digital-red-nas-internal-hard-drives-home-and-small-offices)
Google.
I didn't bother posting this stuff because the OP is asking advise from people that know what they are talking about. Not for people to google stuff for them.
Done.
both of your links, there is mention of low heat ONCE in the articles (bhphoto). and twice in the comments (toms hardware)
Maybe, I don't know, check the "Power and Temperature" section on the Tom's Hardware article, where they were the coolest running drives out of the testing bunch?
Show Image(http://media.bestofmicro.com/S/Q/344474/original/drive_surface_temperature_c.png)
There you go!
Be aware that longevity decreases with lower temperatures unlike the opposite preconception common these days. The longest lifespan occurs if the drives are kept at around 40C.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mexJdhe.png)
Google has a large amount of disks and data to support this and they were the ones who showed that preconception to be false. Google have implemented heated cabinets to increase the longevity of their disks.
Be aware that longevity decreases with lower temperatures unlike the opposite preconception common these days. The longest lifespan occurs if the drives are kept at around 40C.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mexJdhe.png)
Google has a large amount of disks and data to support this and they were the ones who showed that preconception to be false. Google have implemented heated cabinets to increase the longevity of their disks.
No real experience with the Reds or the Toshibas, but I'll put my 2 cents in.
The Caviar Green I had was fine. Nothing really bad about it.
Every Seagate I've had has died rather quickly. Cannot recommend.
From what I've heard, Reds are just Greens with a stable rotation rate and ensured reliability because NAS.
I'd say Greens are probably your best option from the 4.
Dammit, I need to grab a couple of 3 TB drives.
EDIT: Also, guys, keep in mind he has a budget, and he's picked these drives based on his budget. From the 3 seconds of research I just did, WD Blacks are about $60 more expensive, so please stop suggesting them.
EDIT 2: Amended recommendation
OH man... you JUST MISSED 3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
OH man... you JUST MISSED 3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.
OH man... you JUST MISSED 3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.
Who cares... People got in on that .... I got 4x with 4 addresses to avoid suspicionShow Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/bye2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862494)
and at worst.. I could just call the CC company and get my money back...
OH man... you JUST MISSED 3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.
Who cares... People got in on that .... I got 4x with 4 addresses to avoid suspicionShow Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/bye2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862494)
and at worst.. I could just call the CC company and get my money back...
That is true.
I will say I don't like 4myrebate.
My last purchase (around September) they denied my rebate saying that I basically had included nothing. I even documented everything I sent with a photo, right before I mailed it.
Those guys are a bunch of wankers.
Newegg gave me a courtesy gift card in the same amount though so I'm not that miffed.
OH man... you JUST MISSED 3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.
Who cares... People got in on that .... I got 4x with 4 addresses to avoid suspicionShow Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/bye2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862494)
and at worst.. I could just call the CC company and get my money back...
That is true.
I will say I don't like 4myrebate.
My last purchase (around September) they denied my rebate saying that I basically had included nothing. I even documented everything I sent with a photo, right before I mailed it.
Those guys are a bunch of wankers.
Newegg gave me a courtesy gift card in the same amount though so I'm not that miffed.
I video tape when I put the rebate together.... My trump card move.. I just post it onto Youtube and say... OK watch it you ffff.ers and after I even threaten the video, they usually give me the credit...
It's undeniable evidence... and it's really easy a 2 minute video, get all the things in focus with the numbers names and addresses and proof of purchase
OH man... you JUST MISSED 3TB Western Digital RED for $90 a piece a few days ago.....Show Image(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
hahaha
I just googled that yea.
From Tigerdirect right?
I like how the Florida's Attorney General Complaint Link + BBB's complaint page is listed with the deal hahahaha.
Who cares... People got in on that .... I got 4x with 4 addresses to avoid suspicionShow Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/bye2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862494)
and at worst.. I could just call the CC company and get my money back...
That is true.
I will say I don't like 4myrebate.
My last purchase (around September) they denied my rebate saying that I basically had included nothing. I even documented everything I sent with a photo, right before I mailed it.
Those guys are a bunch of wankers.
Newegg gave me a courtesy gift card in the same amount though so I'm not that miffed.
I video tape when I put the rebate together.... My trump card move.. I just post it onto Youtube and say... OK watch it you ffff.ers and after I even threaten the video, they usually give me the credit...
It's undeniable evidence... and it's really easy a 2 minute video, get all the things in focus with the numbers names and addresses and proof of purchase
So you put your name, address and receipts on YouTube?
Listen to 127001, ignore everyone else who have no idea they're talking about.
(...and by everyone I basically mean kmiller8)
Lately I have been favoring Seagate ST*000DM00*. They always seem to be a good price whenever I find myself needing more storage and those I have been solid so far. Sure Seagate had a rather bad patch and decline in quality when they absorbed Maxtor lines, but they have definitely improved again since absorbing Samsung. I've not had any problems with my Hitachi or Toshiba drives either. Seem to end up never buying WD since they always are more expensive and I don't see any point.
Personally I can't wait for hdd to go away. If I could afford to, or if suddenly ssd became the same price per TB I would replace all hdd tomorrow.
This thread in a nutshell
>Don't spend $60 extra on a good hard drive
>Spend $140 extra to get two ****ty hard drives
1) crap
2) Literally the worst choice on the board
3) crap
4) crap
Get a WD Caviar Black, never look back.
1) crap
2) Literally the worst choice on the board
3) crap
4) crap
Get a WD Caviar Black, never look back.
WUT... caviar greens are good for secondary drives as they power down when not in use, which saves on energy, you only need the black (which is always on) when it is a heavy use drive.
If you don't need a lot of storage space, I see no reason not to replace hdd with ssd whenever possible. Grab a Samsung EVO and call it a day.
Every WD drive I ever bought for my own use died on me. I used to sell PC's as a side business until fairly recently and by far the highest failure rate was with WD drives. Seagates were decent, but still had some failures (particularly the higher rpm Baracuda line).
Toshiba drives (laptop drives in particular) have a high failure rate, too.
Hitachi drives were very good until Toshiba bought them. I haven't bought one recently, so I'm not sure if they've bacome as bad as the Toshibas or are still good, but worth researching.
Very early Samsungs died easily, but their quality improved quickly and they became the "go-to" brand for me until they were bought by Seagate (even then, I still use them).
Not sure what the latest WD drives are like nowadays, but I stay away on principle, since their track record with me has been absolutely appalling.
At the moment I would recommend a low rpm Samsung drive, based on personal and friend's experiences. It seems they are still a little better than the equivalent Seagates even though they are supposed to have been made by the same company (perhaps the QA is just a little better or the process or materials used are different somehow).
I'd also recommend looking into Hitachis, to see what people are saying about them since I don't have recent experience with them, but going on their old drives, they are worth a look.
Lower rpm drives have a lower failure rate in general.
TLDR: Get a low rpm Samsung, Seagate or Hitachi rather than any Western Digital or Toshiba.
Stumbled over this article earlier
http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/
27,134 hard drives "tested" :eek:
As usual seagate results get super skewed by a few turd models. I still think all the terrible ones come from the old Maxtor lines. They are still some of the fastest consumer grade hdd.
I'm late to the party but I love my 3TB Seagate Barracuda.
I'm late to the party but I love my 3TB Seagate Barracuda.
^^ this x6
Heheh. I had been thinking about starting again the rolling capacity upgrade to 4TB in my home server to replace all the 2TB I have now. They are all at 75% filled now so it's a good time to really start coming up with a plan. It's amazing how fast space goes when hording HD movies/tv shows... plus keeping a backup of all games so don't have to download them again and wait hours to install over steam. It's crazy how big some games are these days pushing into 30GB.