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Title: Standard US layout for 105 key keyboards
Post by: aquatic on Sun, 05 January 2014, 19:37:01
Since I'm swedish I've always been using swedish keyboard layout. However I thought it might be a good idea to switch to us layout. Mostly because alot of the special keys you use when programming are easier to reach, but also to get less problems when vnc'in or ssh'ing to other machines.

Anyway I switch the layout (input language) in win 8, to english (US). My keyboard has a standard 105key layout. Now the key between shift and z gives me a backslash in most programs. However in emacs (running under cygwin) the same key gives me <. Is there a  standard us layout for 105 key keyboards, and if so, what is the correct symbol for the key between shift and z?
Title: Re: Standard US layout for 105 key keyboards
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 05 January 2014, 22:57:39
Since I'm swedish I've always been using swedish keyboard layout. However I thought it might be a good idea to switch to us layout. Mostly because alot of the special keys you use when programming are easier to reach, but also to get less problems when vnc'in or ssh'ing to other machines.

Anyway I switch the layout (input language) in win 8, to english (US). My keyboard has a standard 105key layout. Now the key between shift and z gives me a backslash in most programs. However in emacs (running under cygwin) the same key gives me <. Is there a  standard us layout for 105 key keyboards, and if so, what is the correct symbol for the key between shift and z?

FWIW none of my keyboards have a key between left Shift and Z.

All ANSI but.
Title: Re: Standard US layout for 105 key keyboards
Post by: aquatic on Mon, 06 January 2014, 06:39:39
After reading about it some more, I think that the standard us keyboard is 104 keys, and standard european is 105 keys, with the extra key next to left shift.
Title: Re: Standard US layout for 105 key keyboards
Post by: terran5992 on Mon, 06 January 2014, 08:25:21
After reading about it some more, I think that the standard us keyboard is 104 keys, and standard european is 105 keys, with the extra key next to left shift.

Yes that is correct

105 is ISO layout with a huge enter key
Title: Re: Standard US layout for 105 key keyboards
Post by: tooki on Mon, 06 January 2014, 11:07:38
Is there a  standard us layout for 105 key keyboards, and if so, what is the correct symbol for the key between shift and z?
By definition there is no 105-key U.S. standard, since the U.S. standard (ANSI) defines a 104-key layout.

Different OSes may map the spare key differently, which is probably exactly what you're running into with Cygwin, which probably processes key scan codes itself, rather than receiving parsed characters from Windows. What's also possible is that Cygwin is set to a different keyboard layout altogether (e.g. Windows using U.S. but Cygwin using Swedish).

The closest thing -- by which I mean really close -- to a 105-key U.S. layout is the U.K. layout, which is designed for ISO keyboards. The main difference is that the added keys are used to add a few punctuation marks and special characters (like £).