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Title: Dolch
Post by: terrpn on Tue, 14 January 2014, 17:42:48
caps look to be in good shape........

starting bid is $19.00 plus $13.88 shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dolch-PAC60-PAC-60-Keyboard-grey-nice-condition-Vintage-/291057520303?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c4614eaf
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 14 January 2014, 17:50:30
So nice....it's even the native PS2 kind!
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 14 January 2014, 17:51:29
This one is mine! Come at me bro!
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 14 January 2014, 17:54:32
OH IT'S ON

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6yby8D9yo1rnjfjfo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 14 January 2014, 17:55:25
Lol...I came.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:00:55
Learn to eBay scrubs  :))
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:24:56
aaand 5 bids :-|
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Pac Caps on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:49:35
Can someone tell me why these keyboards are so good?
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:53:12
Keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Pac Caps on Tue, 14 January 2014, 18:55:38
Keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps

Then why is the PS2 part in the OP relevant?

EDIT: Not OP, but reply #1  :confused:
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 14 January 2014, 19:04:15
Keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps and keycaps

Then why is the PS2 part in the OP relevant?


So you can use the keyboard without a converter unlike most Dolch keyboards. That's not the most valuable part of the keyboard though.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 14 January 2014, 21:09:58
Nice its already over $100
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 14 January 2014, 21:27:40
"priced to sell" :))
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: 127001 on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:11:10
Dolch is the new SSK.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 14 January 2014, 22:30:15
Dolch is the new SSK.

Why not both?
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 14 January 2014, 23:00:22
Dolch is the new SSK.

Dolch prices have been inflated for at least 6 months or so....
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 15 January 2014, 00:24:52
If it gets any higher, someone may as well just buy the whole machine for $250 http://www.ebay.com/itm/221345033253
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 15 January 2014, 06:40:20
Yeah these were commonly ~$60 before the hype....
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 15 January 2014, 10:27:34
Yeah these were commonly ~$60 before the hype....

You're late to the party in years, not months.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 15 January 2014, 10:32:50

Yeah these were commonly ~$60 before the hype....

You're late to the party in years, not months.

I missed a party?!?
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 15 January 2014, 10:33:55
Yeah these were commonly ~$60 before the hype....

You're late to the party in years, not months.

 :'(
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: ideus on Wed, 15 January 2014, 10:58:44
Simple offer-demand equilibrium. We GHers are very good at inflating goods that otherwise may have low value. Dolches, clacks, vintage mechanical boards, and for that sake even key caps.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:17:33
Over $150 with 17 bids and it still has almost 6 days left? You've got to be kidding me...
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Poi on Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:31:33
it's already $142... :(
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:31:52
This is always what happens when something on eBay gets posted in Great Finds--it quickly becomes a less-than-a-great find  ;)
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:36:20
sorry bout that :'(
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: t2russo on Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:50:27
I'm quickly thinking that being smart enough for a Paypal account and being smart enough to smartly bid in a set-duration auction are not quite the same barrier to entry these days.  I grew up around car auctions and while it pains me to see stuff like this becoming more and more common in that field over real rarities, I find it kinda funny here watching INSANE action on a board that most of the bidders are trying to scavenge keys from.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 15 January 2014, 20:16:22
I grew up around car auctions and while it pains me to see stuff like this becoming more and more common in that field over real rarities, I find it kinda funny here watching INSANE action on a board that most of the bidders are trying to scavenge keys from.

If they wanted the keys then you could get them brand new from Sherryton and he'll give you extras to cover most keyboards with that type of key-set.  But some would rather pay up to $300+USD for second hand keys rather than spend $95.00 for a new TKL set.

I know currently Sherryton has it listed as SOLD out but he's getting more in the next month or so.  Patience is always a virtue when it comes to cap collecting here on Geekhack  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: fourzeropooh on Wed, 15 January 2014, 20:17:29
I grew up around car auctions and while it pains me to see stuff like this becoming more and more common in that field over real rarities, I find it kinda funny here watching INSANE action on a board that most of the bidders are trying to scavenge keys from.

If they wanted the keys then you could get them brand new from Sherryton and he'll give you extras to cover most keyboards with that type of key-set.  But some would rather pay up to $300+USD for second hand keys rather than spend $95.00 for a new TKL set.

I know currently Sherryton has it listed as SOLD out but he's getting more in the next month or so.  Patience is always a virtue when it comes to cap collecting here on Geekhack  :thumb: .

Is Sherryton going to buy 400 direct from GMK or does he have a different source?
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: shawn o on Wed, 15 January 2014, 20:41:23
I bid $140 and I'm done. One will show up with a $99 buy it now soon enough.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 15 January 2014, 22:30:03
Is Sherryton going to buy 400 direct from GMK or does he have a different source?

He did it for the Charred Orange and Classic Beige series, no outside payment required from us.  So he does have the money to go it alone but he prefers to shift the risk onto us if a series of key-caps fail to sell readily, which is understandable.

Because the Dolch series will always sell regardless, and he did have the 87-TKLs on his site selling for a couple of weeks before they ran out.  Don't make that assumption that he will always have the top selling key-sets always available.  If you've got the money, put it down straight for a sherry set before they run out.

Otherwise spend $300+ on Ebay and make some secondhand dealers, really rich  ;D .
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: snoopy on Thu, 16 January 2014, 02:16:22
Wow, seeing that, I'm happy that I got my iso dolch relatively cheap.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 16 January 2014, 07:29:13
What about a Cherry ML version! :p
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200989831998
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: litster on Thu, 16 January 2014, 16:34:16
I miss my Dolches in my closest.  Need to go visit my precious Dolches tonight...
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 16 January 2014, 16:37:29
I miss my Dolches in my closest.  Need to go visit my precious Dolches tonight...

Cool story, lit

What's the most you've paid for one of these? I'd be surprised if it broke $70.

Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: litster on Thu, 16 January 2014, 16:43:29
I paid $50 and $55 for a couple of them, maybe 2.5 years ago.  Once I bought 5 in a batch for $55 each (shared with someone else here).  The most I paid for one was $100, and that was the worst condition of all.  I did mix it up with new white-on-black Cherry DS mods, so they looked pretty good, especially on a black Filco tenkeyless.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Wildcard on Thu, 16 January 2014, 23:16:54
Wow that price escalated quickly. I'm really surprised the prices didn't go down more with the GMK reproductions floating around now.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 25 January 2014, 02:17:04
Get a full machine for barely more than the price that keyboard went for:

Dolch PAC 486-33e Vintage Portable PC

Starting bid: $179.00 with free shipping, <2 days left

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251429734524
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: tricheboars on Sat, 25 January 2014, 02:23:02
dolch has been on the rise for more than a year at this point. i remember about a year ago seeing dolch cherry g80 ps/2 boards on ebay going for over 100. certainly more than a few months.

but dont bring up dolch to me. i am sore over something.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: digi on Sat, 25 January 2014, 09:31:08
Wow that price escalated quickly. I'm really surprised the prices didn't go down more with the GMK reproductions floating around now.

Its not just the caps people are after, it has vintage mx blues and is a varitant of the original Cherry g80-1800. One of my favorite keyboards.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Wildcard on Sun, 26 January 2014, 16:33:24
Wow that price escalated quickly. I'm really surprised the prices didn't go down more with the GMK reproductions floating around now.

Its not just the caps people are after, it has vintage mx blues and is a varitant of the original Cherry g80-1800. One of my favorite keyboards.

It's definitely been a driving factor. If the GMK Dolch sets become much more available I'd expect these to go for much less.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: digi on Sun, 26 January 2014, 16:46:14
It's definitely been a driving factor. If the GMK Dolch sets become much more available I'd expect these to go for much less.

I don't agree, any GMK Dolch GB or Originative set is well over $100. Most Dolch Pac kb's sell around $160-$180, they have vintange blue mx switches and have a g80-1800 layout. The Dolch keysets won't affect the sale of the Dolch Pac's.

Like other vintage keyboards, they'll only increase in value over time. People actually like the Dolch Pac keyboard itself.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:02:10
It's definitely been a driving factor. If the GMK Dolch sets become much more available I'd expect these to go for much less.

I don't agree, any GMK Dolch GB or Originative set is well over $100. Most Dolch Pac kb's sell around $160-$180, they have vintange blue mx switches and have a g80-1800 layout. The Dolch keysets won't affect the sale of the Dolch Pac's.

Like other vintage keyboards, they'll only increase in value over time. People actually like the Dolch Pac keyboard itself.

I love mine, but the switches were basically linear, so I replaced them with new ones and added a stainless steel plate. Works great now, and the dolch PAC is basically perfect for IRC.

Plus mine did away with the awful dolch logo and has inet branding instead. The inet eye is legit.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: Wildcard on Sun, 26 January 2014, 22:55:48
It's definitely been a driving factor. If the GMK Dolch sets become much more available I'd expect these to go for much less.

I don't agree, any GMK Dolch GB or Originative set is well over $100. Most Dolch Pac kb's sell around $160-$180, they have vintange blue mx switches and have a g80-1800 layout. The Dolch keysets won't affect the sale of the Dolch Pac's.

Like other vintage keyboards, they'll only increase in value over time. People actually like the Dolch Pac keyboard itself.

Well at this point it's just a guessing game. There's been some odd things occurring lately in regards to prices for some of these vintage items. And IMO it feels a bit like a bubble. Historically the prices have inched up over the years. But there have been a few sales recently that seemed a bit high to me.

There haven't been any moogle kits for dolch keys in awhile which can make it a harder sale for some. I do know that when the GMK dolch sets became available the auction prices dropped  down from $100-120 to around $60-80 for a few months. I took advantage of this and picked up 3 more boards because they're the only good source for vintage blues I've found so far. There's a bit more to that story, but I'm going to leave that part out.

I don't see many people posting their modded Dolch boards often, so I can only assume people are buying these to source for parts. Usually boards that require a converter only appeal to a smaller group of buyers.

Again, watching some of these boards go for over $150, especially on geekhack has seemed pretty crazy to me. Especially when I was watching boards go for less then that on eBay.

A few years ago it was common to see people buying these for the Dolch keys, using their Moogles, and selling the rest of the board in the classified ads. These boards would typically go for around $40.

Also if it gets posted to "great finds" I expect the price to skyrocket, so that's not always a fair indicator of an average price.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: ideus on Mon, 27 January 2014, 09:50:51
GH is a niche market willing to pay premium prices for items that otherwise have low value for the general public. What you are pointing is just the fact we at GH believe a piece of plastic worth much more than its manufacturing cost. Or that mechanical switches for a keyboard are better than a simplified rubber alternative that costs a tenth the price of a mechanical one. It appears you are not aware of that simple fact. You are not in a general market, otherwise it is crazy to pay +100 for just a keycaps set.
Title: Re: Dolch
Post by: digi on Mon, 27 January 2014, 10:04:28
I do know that when the GMK dolch sets became available the auction prices dropped  down from $100-120 to around $60-80 for a few months. I took advantage of this and picked up 3 more boards because they're the only good source for vintage blues I've found so far. There's a bit more to that story, but I'm going to leave that part out.

I don't see many people posting their modded Dolch boards often, so I can only assume people are buying these to source for parts. Usually boards that require a converter only appeal to a smaller group of buyers.

That's a little hard to believe, you just said that with the recent GMK Dolch ketset release (2013) prices on Dolch keyboards dropped to $60-$80? Please link this, I'm very curious about this.

Same reason you see stock SSK's, Cherry G80's, etc. People enjoy the keyboard itself, what "modding" are you referring to?