If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACT
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACT
The problem is lack of a Clack being shipped, not lack of receipts. Clacks: the root of all drama.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACT
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :P
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :P
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :P
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
I think what TP means is Paypal coverage/insurance when we did not receive either of clack or ergodox in the 2-way transaction.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
if we did transaction through paypal... paypal purchased a large insurance plan to cover a certain percentage of the deals going sour..
Ultimately all the defaulting is packaged into securities and sold by the US government.. so morally, insurance is not totally morally right..
But the point is... at least YOU get ur trades in at lower risk.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
I think what TP means is Paypal coverage/insurance when we did not receive either of clack or ergodox in the 2-way transaction.
But how can someone be invoiced for clacks? Paypal only deals in dollars and cents :(
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
I think what TP means is Paypal coverage/insurance when we did not receive either of clack or ergodox in the 2-way transaction.
But how can someone be invoiced for clacks? Paypal only deals in dollars and cents :(
He invoice you for $xxx for the clack... you pay... you don't receive clack... paypal starts investigation..
Investigation fails, both party claims fault... paypal goes to their insurance guy, says.. hey I messed up.. the insurance guys say.. yes you did... here's the money that I BET YOU you wouldn't have lost...
Thanks... says paypal..
The insurance rubs paypal on the head.. and paypal promptly hands you the money.
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
if we did transaction through paypal... paypal purchased a large insurance plan to cover a certain percentage of the deals going sour..
Ultimately all the defaulting is packaged into securities and sold by the US government.. so morally, insurance is not totally morally right..
But the point is... at least YOU get ur trades in at lower risk.
wut? How is insurance immoral?
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
I think what TP means is Paypal coverage/insurance when we did not receive either of clack or ergodox in the 2-way transaction.
But how can someone be invoiced for clacks? Paypal only deals in dollars and cents :(
He invoice you for $xxx for the clack... you pay... you don't receive clack... paypal starts investigation..
Investigation fails, both party claims fault... paypal goes to their insurance guy, says.. hey I messed up.. the insurance guys say.. yes you did... here's the money that I BET YOU you wouldn't have lost...
Thanks... says paypal..
The insurance rubs paypal on the head.. and paypal promptly hands you the money.
But normally when a problem happens and a claim is filed only the buyer or the seller get there money back...not both....
But actually that sounds like an even better way to scam.
You send me $200 and an ergodox for my clacks and I'll send you my clacks and $200 but you ship and send first. I get money and ergodox...you get NOTHING :blank:
But normally when a problem happens and a claim is filed only the buyer or the seller get there money back...not both....
But actually that sounds like an even better way to scam.
You send me $200 and an ergodox for my clacks and I'll send you my clacks and $200 but you ship and send first. I get money and ergodox...you get NOTHING :blank:
But normally when a problem happens and a claim is filed only the buyer or the seller get there money back...not both....
But actually that sounds like an even better way to scam.
You send me $200 and an ergodox for my clacks and I'll send you my clacks and $200 but you ship and send first. I get money and ergodox...you get NOTHING :blank:
But he wouldn't ship the ergodox until he received your $200, right?
Here is the case I understand:If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
I think what TP means is Paypal coverage/insurance when we did not receive either of clack or ergodox in the 2-way transaction.
But how can someone be invoiced for clacks? Paypal only deals in dollars and cents :(
But normally when a problem happens and a claim is filed only the buyer or the seller get there money back...not both....
But actually that sounds like an even better way to scam.
You send me $200 and an ergodox for my clacks and I'll send you my clacks and $200 but you ship and send first. I get money and ergodox...you get NOTHING :blank:
But he wouldn't ship the ergodox until he received your $200, right?
Depends on how good of a talker someone is or how gullible someone is...you know I'll send you the $200 when I get home but I really want that ergodox can you please ship it now and I promise to send you the money, but then....I got stuck at airport in snow storm so it will be a few more days but please ship NOW.
But normally when a problem happens and a claim is filed only the buyer or the seller get there money back...not both....
But actually that sounds like an even better way to scam.
You send me $200 and an ergodox for my clacks and I'll send you my clacks and $200 but you ship and send first. I get money and ergodox...you get NOTHING :blank:
But he wouldn't ship the ergodox until he received your $200, right?
Depends on how good of a talker someone is or how gullible someone is...you know I'll send you the $200 when I get home but I really want that ergodox can you please ship it now and I promise to send you the money, but then....I got stuck at airport in snow storm so it will be a few more days but please ship NOW.
Ok, that is why we're going with the rule... PAY FIRST... then release...
Even if the opposite person sends Girl-boob photos... DO NOT release item, until you've been paid...
Here is the case I understand:If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
I think what TP means is Paypal coverage/insurance when we did not receive either of clack or ergodox in the 2-way transaction.
But how can someone be invoiced for clacks? Paypal only deals in dollars and cents :(
- A wants to trade a clack C1 (20$) with a clack C2 (25$) - shipped CONUS
- B want to trade a clack C2 (25$) with a clack C1 (20$) - shipped CONUS
- A sents a Paypal invoice to B with 20$ value
- B sents a Paypal invoice to A with 25$ value (+5$ difference)
- When A receives the payment from B, A ships it with tracking
- When B receives the payment from A, B ships it with tracking
-> This trade is no longer a single trade, it becomes a 2-way transaction, there are 2 locks on both sides. If anyone does not receive the package => case disputed => Paypal will be involved => at least the one who does not receive the package has something to prove => there is a possibility to have refund (x% - not 100%). However, what jdcarpe raised (Scammers gonna Scam) is also legit because A or B could use charge back unfortunately :(.
TP....got your PM....I will trade with you anytime... :o
If you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
as long as you go through paypal, you'll have RECEIPTS..
The problem here is LACK OF RECEIPTS, and LACK of CONTRACTIf you want to trade with 2 items between 2 people...
Directly invoice each other over paypal for the amount agreed upon.
DO-NOT release the item until you've received payment..
Use a verified bank account and you don't have to pay the 3% surcharge
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
^^ TP jd knows whats up.
And this has happened here in the past. Guy gets disgruntled goes on a chargeback spree....sometimes you can work it out with Paypal but usually not. And people will turn to there CC companies and just say it was fraud if they are intent on scamming.
Ok the back and forth CAN happen..
That is why you NEED a 3rd party in here who HAS INSURANCE..
If all else fails... paypal will go to their insurance, and say ****.. it didn't work.. pay me.. so I can pay for these failed trades..
But 9/10 times PayPal will just throw there hands up and side with the buyer.
TP maybe you can start up a service where people can just send you there stuff and you can handle the trades :thumb:
my time is expensive.. I calculated this already.. I'd have to charge you guys 5-20% depending on the cost of the item..
There's no way for me to personally do this... I would need a huge volume to charge a flat rate, and an even larger one to get below 5%...
If I lived at the post office, maybe that could work.. but as is, I'm too far away.
Just schedule pickups? Don't you watch the USPS commercials? :p
This might be ok for small packages that fit in my mail box.. but would you leave 2 kmacs or a bag of clacks at the door with no receipt etc etc...
No....this would have to be your full time job, the mailman would just come to the door. I mean you could really make some money with this opportunity.
Spam there's a reason this service does not exist.. because the cost is significantly increased due to additional shipping and turn around time.
The best way to get the safety is just paying for insurance coverage..
Insurance for what?
I mean...if I send you my clacks for your ergodox....what insurance is there to buy?
if we did transaction through paypal... paypal purchased a large insurance plan to cover a certain percentage of the deals going sour..
Ultimately all the defaulting is packaged into securities and sold by the US government.. so morally, insurance is not totally morally right..
But the point is... at least YOU get ur trades in at lower risk.
wut? How is insurance immoral?
Insurance is ultimately a betting pool.. it is a huge place to get money "lost in transaction" because of the existence of the complex derivative market..
Some where, some how.. all the movement is sponsored ultimately by a Debt based economy.. because the debt is never paid back and always increasing, that means the cost is shouldered by people outside of this nation...
So.. if you track it down the line.. it's not all accounted for, because someone some where will be holding securities at the time of their death.. and those numbers will simply go p00f if it is not recovered..
The purpose of the economy is generating debt faster than the p00f... to help the flow.. but you can rest assure that in the end.. not everyone got paid before their demise.
Lol you think people looking to trade want money tied up as well? I'd laugh if someone asked me to do that.
This thread is unreadable due to the absolutely ridiculous quote nesting (worst "feature" of this forum, IMO).
This thread is unreadable due to the absolutely ridiculous quote nesting (worst "feature" of this forum, IMO).
you don't need to read anything but the my first post, to be safer in all your future trades.
Lol you think people looking to trade want money tied up as well? I'd laugh if someone asked me to do that.
Bueller, stop trolling.. you got personal beef, go to pm..
The concept here is to end trading, and making it a direct sell.. there's no "extra" money tied up when compared to trading..
You are selling for exact $ amount of what you think your items are worth..
If you can't understand the concept.. Idk, read a book.
This thread is unreadable due to the absolutely ridiculous quote nesting (worst "feature" of this forum, IMO).
you don't need to read anything but the my first post, to be safer in all your future trades.
TP maybe edit the OP with that one good example that was posted.
Lol you think people looking to trade want money tied up as well? I'd laugh if someone asked me to do that.
Bueller, stop trolling.. you got personal beef, go to pm..
The concept here is to end trading, and making it a direct sell.. there's no "extra" money tied up when compared to trading..
You are selling for exact $ amount of what you think your items are worth..
If you can't understand the concept.. Idk, read a book.
Trolling. That is pretty rich coming from you, king of the trolls.
I understand your concept fully, I just think it's dumb as ****.
Your solution doesn't really solve anything, let me explain.
Most people on here are usually trading because they have a hard to find item and are willing to part with it in exchange for something of equal rarity or personal value (see every Clack trade thread created ever). So in your scenario people would exchange money for the items at agreed upon prices. But what happens if one of those people doesn't send it? "Paypal will refund the cost of the goods" you say. Except the person never wanted money, they wanted the item available for trade.
It would just lead to a whole new level of scamming, buying things that were never available for purchase by exploiting your system.
PayPal doesn't always work. I sent an iPhone. The guy said hey I never received it. Bam I had to pay him for my iPhone I sold. Sucked. But then after me messaging him daily he told paypal he received it so I got my money back.. But wow what a headache.
Your solution doesn't really solve anything, let me explain.
Most people on here are usually trading because they have a hard to find item and are willing to part with it in exchange for something of equal rarity or personal value (see every Clack trade thread created ever). So in your scenario people would exchange money for the items at agreed upon prices. But what happens if one of those people doesn't send it? "Paypal will refund the cost of the goods" you say. Except the person never wanted money, they wanted the item available for trade.
It would just lead to a whole new level of scamming, buying things that were never available for purchase by exploiting your system.
If you can not come to terms as to the exact worth of the ITEM to you in $ amounts...... That's your own damn problem...
PayPal doesn't always work. I sent an iPhone. The guy said hey I never received it. Bam I had to pay him for my iPhone I sold. Sucked. But then after me messaging him daily he told paypal he received it so I got my money back.. But wow what a headache.
What about tracking etc?
PayPal doesn't always work. I sent an iPhone. The guy said hey I never received it. Bam I had to pay him for my iPhone I sold. Sucked. But then after me messaging him daily he told paypal he received it so I got my money back.. But wow what a headache.
What about tracking etc?
It was international and he didn't pay for tracking. :/
PayPal doesn't always work. I sent an iPhone. The guy said hey I never received it. Bam I had to pay him for my iPhone I sold. Sucked. But then after me messaging him daily he told paypal he received it so I got my money back.. But wow what a headache.
What about tracking etc?
It was international and he didn't pay for tracking. :/
that's ur fault... you should've had tracking.. build it into the price next time.
Because you were greedy and wanted to save some money shipping the item.. You got burned because you relinquished what security proof you had in the opportunity to have had tracking.
PayPal doesn't always work. I sent an iPhone. The guy said hey I never received it. Bam I had to pay him for my iPhone I sold. Sucked. But then after me messaging him daily he told paypal he received it so I got my money back.. But wow what a headache.
What about tracking etc?
It was international and he didn't pay for tracking. :/
that's ur fault... you should've had tracking.. build it into the price next time.
Because you were greedy and wanted to save some money shipping the item.. You got burned because you relinquished what security proof you had in the opportunity to have had tracking.
That's a good idea, should enforce tracking in the price.
PayPal doesn't always work. I sent an iPhone. The guy said hey I never received it. Bam I had to pay him for my iPhone I sold. Sucked. But then after me messaging him daily he told paypal he received it so I got my money back.. But wow what a headache.
What about tracking etc?
It was international and he didn't pay for tracking. :/
that's ur fault... you should've had tracking.. build it into the price next time.
Because you were greedy and wanted to save some money shipping the item.. You got burned because you relinquished what security proof you had in the opportunity to have had tracking.
That's a good idea, should enforce tracking in the price.
I'm not trying to be mean dustinhxc.. I know some of my posts come out a bit rough..
but.. this is exactly what happened...
I still think ur probably a good guy...
Your solution doesn't really solve anything, let me explain.
Most people on here are usually trading because they have a hard to find item and are willing to part with it in exchange for something of equal rarity or personal value (see every Clack trade thread created ever). So in your scenario people would exchange money for the items at agreed upon prices. But what happens if one of those people doesn't send it? "Paypal will refund the cost of the goods" you say. Except the person never wanted money, they wanted the item available for trade.
It would just lead to a whole new level of scamming, buying things that were never available for purchase by exploiting your system.
If you can not come to terms as to the exact worth of the ITEM to you in $ amounts...... That's your own damn problem...
Tell that to Clack collectors.
Your solution doesn't really solve anything, let me explain.
Most people on here are usually trading because they have a hard to find item and are willing to part with it in exchange for something of equal rarity or personal value (see every Clack trade thread created ever). So in your scenario people would exchange money for the items at agreed upon prices. But what happens if one of those people doesn't send it? "Paypal will refund the cost of the goods" you say. Except the person never wanted money, they wanted the item available for trade.
It would just lead to a whole new level of scamming, buying things that were never available for purchase by exploiting your system.
If you can not come to terms as to the exact worth of the ITEM to you in $ amounts...... That's your own damn problem...
Tell that to Clack collectors.
Everything has an exact worth in Dollars....
If it does not.. then that means it's PRICELESS. No such item exist
Davinci's notes for example, Billgates bought them..
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
Your solution doesn't really solve anything, let me explain.
Most people on here are usually trading because they have a hard to find item and are willing to part with it in exchange for something of equal rarity or personal value (see every Clack trade thread created ever). So in your scenario people would exchange money for the items at agreed upon prices. But what happens if one of those people doesn't send it? "Paypal will refund the cost of the goods" you say. Except the person never wanted money, they wanted the item available for trade.
It would just lead to a whole new level of scamming, buying things that were never available for purchase by exploiting your system.
If you can not come to terms as to the exact worth of the ITEM to you in $ amounts...... That's your own damn problem...
Tell that to Clack collectors.
Everything has an exact worth in Dollars....
If it does not.. then that means it's PRICELESS. No such item exist
Davinci's notes for example, Billgates bought them..
And therein lies the problem. I could value all clacks at a million dollars a pop, doesn't mean you'd agree and want to send me that amount in order to "trade".
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If you're broke... Then just sell the items... what's the problem... what is wrong with ya'll
Once this person (with no money) gets the money... He will ship you the item... then use the cash you just sent... to pay for the INVOICE that you would've sent...
In the end, both of you get the item you wish to trade...
You only need 1 person with the money to start it.
If both people are broke.. then they have to liquidate before the trade... This is exactly how it's supposed to be done...
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If you're broke... Then just sell the items... what's the problem... what is wrong with ya'll
Once this person (with no money) gets the money... He will ship you the item... then use the cash you just sent... to pay for the INVOICE that you would've sent...
In the end, both of you get the item you wish to trade...
You only need 1 person with the money to start it.
If both people are broke.. then they have to liquidate before the trade... This is exactly how it's supposed to be done...
So basically you're suggesting for sale threads only. Which doesn't address a lot of the reasons why people trade.
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If you're broke... Then just sell the items... what's the problem... what is wrong with ya'll
Once this person (with no money) gets the money... He will ship you the item... then use the cash you just sent... to pay for the INVOICE that you would've sent...
In the end, both of you get the item you wish to trade...
You only need 1 person with the money to start it.
If both people are broke.. then they have to liquidate before the trade... This is exactly how it's supposed to be done...
So basically you're suggesting for sale threads only. Which doesn't address a lot of the reasons why people trade.
WTF do you mean basically.. if you understood the OP at all.. I was saying make it a double sell the ENTIRE TIME..
What reason do you trade.... that is NOT accomplished by selling..
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If you're broke... Then just sell the items... what's the problem... what is wrong with ya'll
Once this person (with no money) gets the money... He will ship you the item... then use the cash you just sent... to pay for the INVOICE that you would've sent...
In the end, both of you get the item you wish to trade...
You only need 1 person with the money to start it.
If both people are broke.. then they have to liquidate before the trade... This is exactly how it's supposed to be done...
So basically you're suggesting for sale threads only. Which doesn't address a lot of the reasons why people trade.
WTF do you mean basically.. if you understood the OP at all.. I was saying make it a double sell the ENTIRE TIME..
What reason do you trade.... that is NOT accomplished by selling..
I must maintain that bueller, ur a dumb f- who is doomed to fail life....
Maybe read a book about it or something.
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If you're broke... Then just sell the items... what's the problem... what is wrong with ya'll
Once this person (with no money) gets the money... He will ship you the item... then use the cash you just sent... to pay for the INVOICE that you would've sent...
In the end, both of you get the item you wish to trade...
You only need 1 person with the money to start it.
If both people are broke.. then they have to liquidate before the trade... This is exactly how it's supposed to be done...
So basically you're suggesting for sale threads only. Which doesn't address a lot of the reasons why people trade.
I must maintain that bueller, ur a dumb f- who is doomed to fail life....
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If you're broke... Then just sell the items... what's the problem... what is wrong with ya'll
Once this person (with no money) gets the money... He will ship you the item... then use the cash you just sent... to pay for the INVOICE that you would've sent...
In the end, both of you get the item you wish to trade...
You only need 1 person with the money to start it.
If both people are broke.. then they have to liquidate before the trade... This is exactly how it's supposed to be done...
So basically you're suggesting for sale threads only. Which doesn't address a lot of the reasons why people trade.
I must maintain that bueller, ur a dumb f- who is doomed to fail life....
Oh no, whatever will I do with my life without your approval. You make me laugh mate.
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If BOTH parties are illiquid (no cash, item only), then... they must go borrow money via collateral.. for example...
For small items, go to a family and friend, and offer him collateral for you to borrow @ probably 0% interest the $ amount you need to initiate the trade...
Once the trade is complete... give the money back, and get back your TV
The real problem is this: when two parties agree to trade their items, it's usually because they don't have the money to purchase them, and want to use something of value that they own in place of fiat debt credits.
TYL: people are broke, but have keyboards and stuff
If BOTH parties are illiquid (no cash, item only), then... they must go borrow money via collateral.. for example...
For small items, go to a family and friend, and offer him collateral for you to borrow @ probably 0% interest the $ amount you need to initiate the trade...
Once the trade is complete... give the money back, and get back your TV
You have a solution to everything! What can I do to be more like you oh glorious leader?
ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME WITH THIS OVERQUOTING
ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME WITH THIS OVERQUOTING
ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME WITH THIS OVERQUOTING
ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME WITH THIS OVERQUOTING
wow, your comment and avatar couldn't be more fit :))
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
Again this is the only important post in this whole thread, all the worthless, "i invoice you, you invoice me, we're a happy family" is all there just to root out the scammer, but as quoted, the scammer is gonna scam.
There is almost literally nothing you can do, and that person will still scam, no big deal, even with paypal. trust me, you can easily get verified paypal accounts. (this is a business, there are legitimate ppl who want paypal accounts but cannot be verified, b/c of country of origin, age, or whatever criteria, but they need paypal to do business and transactions... but of course this can be used for more neferious deeds)
Do you know how fruitless this will turn out? this is no different than the record companies trying to track down idiots who torrent gigs of music, they aren't gonna catch anyone but the dumbest person who is seeding 1,000 albums cuz they just left everything on auto.
the scammers, will get you, that's their job and they're good at it. It's no different than owning a grocery store and having some thugs run in and steal a 6pack of beer, it's the cost of business, it's also the risk you run when you trade physical products on a virtual meeting place across many state lines.
and here, something to think about, you have 45 days to dispute a paypal charge, that means on day 44, when you almost completely forget about what the hell you've traded and you have like 20 transactions on your paypal, this scammer will call his/her CC company and say, hey i don't recognize this charge, it must be fraudulent/i didn't authorize it, etc... CC then charges back to paypal and sends a new CC to the guy/girl.
(at least that would be what i'd do if i were a dirty/no good scammer, you gotta think like one to catch one)
Tp you come across as a Keynesian economist :D Would you carry that banner?
This makes little sense. Scammers gonna scam...
They can use a credit card and do a chargeback, etc.
Again this is the only important post in this whole thread, all the worthless, "i invoice you, you invoice me, we're a happy family" is all there just to root out the scammer, but as quoted, the scammer is gonna scam.
There is almost literally nothing you can do, and that person will still scam, no big deal, even with paypal. trust me, you can easily get verified paypal accounts. (this is a business, there are legitimate ppl who want paypal accounts but cannot be verified, b/c of country of origin, age, or whatever criteria, but they need paypal to do business and transactions... but of course this can be used for more neferious deeds)
Do you know how fruitless this will turn out? this is no different than the record companies trying to track down idiots who torrent gigs of music, they aren't gonna catch anyone but the dumbest person who is seeding 1,000 albums cuz they just left everything on auto.
the scammers, will get you, that's their job and they're good at it. It's no different than owning a grocery store and having some thugs run in and steal a 6pack of beer, it's the cost of business, it's also the risk you run when you trade physical products on a virtual meeting place across many state lines.
and here, something to think about, you have 45 days to dispute a paypal charge, that means on day 44, when you almost completely forget about what the hell you've traded and you have like 20 transactions on your paypal, this scammer will call his/her CC company and say, hey i don't recognize this charge, it must be fraudulent/i didn't authorize it, etc... CC then charges back to paypal and sends a new CC to the guy/girl.
(at least that would be what i'd do if i were a dirty/no good scammer, you gotta think like one to catch one)
Scammers will be scammers..
However, the point of using this message is that Paypal will cover your lose should the transaction go sour...
What do you people not understand about this..
TP all they have to do is do a chargeback with their credit card company that is outside the bounds of paypal.
TP all they have to do is do a chargeback with their credit card company that is outside the bounds of paypal.
There is nothing to ensure the seller will win 100%.
But IMO, a charge back against Paypal is not an easy task.
Here are the process explain:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-guide
https://www.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt%2Fseller%2FChargebackRisk-outside
I never face this kind of problem but likely it will become a war zone out there.
TP all they have to do is do a chargeback with their credit card company that is outside the bounds of paypal.
There is nothing to ensure the seller will win 100%.
But IMO, a charge back against Paypal is not an easy task.
Here are the process explain:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-guide
https://www.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt%2Fseller%2FChargebackRisk-outside
I never face this kind of problem but likely it will become a war zone out there.
you don't chargeback "USING" paypal, you do a chargeback with your payment source.
currently there are 3 ways to "fund" or pay with, paypal
paypal balance
bank account
credit card
if you pay with paypal balance, your **** out of luck, you'll almost never get anything back
if you pay with your bank account, odds are 50/50
if you pay with a credit card (CC) then you can call the CC company, use their own internal whatever chargeback to null/void the transaction, and then it goes up to paypal.
paypal charge back IS difficult and almost never works (i tried 2x, one time was successful the other time was a failure). However even with my initial failure, i just called up my CC, and said it was a fraudulent charge by paypal since it couldn't be resolved, it's pretty much that simple. (these of course were legitimate cases, my paypal is a business account, so i'm not gonna risk my paypal with a silly clack charge back)
all that proof does not matter, the scammer will use the loop-hole of the CC companies ability to stop the transaction and take money back from paypal, and then that loss/cost gets passed right back to the seller (the non scammer)
wth does the CC fee have anything to do with it? of course the scammer is willing to use the CC and pay the fee, that way he/she will be able to use the CC's services.
who is going to payback the seller? paypal? no, they'll be stuck with a negative balance, because when a transaction gets charged back, paypal will immediately bring that back to the seller and take the appropriate amount out of either of the 3 sources
balance
bank account
CC
paypal will take money first, hit you with the bill, then you can try to dispute it later, but the money will be gone.
There's a reason there are so many ways to fund a paypal account, not to make it easier to deposit money into it, but for paypal to quickly take money out.
de-evolve into worthlessness.
de-evolve into worthlessness.
99.9% of tp's posts.
de-evolve into worthlessness.
99.9% of tp's posts.
Being generous today?
LOL.. I see my fan club has returned.. whenever someone runs out of true facts and reason to defend..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)