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Title: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 11:23:44
'ello Gentlemen,

   The lovely ErgoDox is once again on sale on Massdrop.  I already ordered one. I expect you Sirs to do the same.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ergodox (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ergodox)

Next:  When are we going to get another group buy for ErgoDox caps.  I would really like a set with legends somehow.  But they cant be boring colors.

I went with:

Full Hand with Aluminum Top Layer
Clear Switches
PBT Caps


The blanks are going to be rough to learn with.  I have an order of Dolch DSA caps with REDLINE but i dont know if i will ever see those caps (dont get me started on this rant).

things to discuss as we wait for our hardware:

1.  Is there value in making clear switches ergo style for the ergo dox?
2.  Learning on blanks?  Christ i have never liked a split board so what is this going to be like?
3.  Is the ergo dox really worth the hype?  are people kidding themselves about their stress on hand joints? 
4.  Keycaps for my board
5.  Who has some crazy mod ideas for their ergo dox?
6.  Whats the deal with airline food?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 27 January 2014, 11:30:19
This has come at literally the worst time. Why can't it be when I'm not trying to sort my budget out? Sigh...

But I too would be interested in these questions being answered if I do lean towards the ultimate in ergonomic mechanical ness.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: LONGZILLA on Mon, 27 January 2014, 11:32:57
Man, that's steep. There's some discussion on reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1w9gzi/the_ergodox_kit_just_reset_on_massdrop_get_em) about it being cheaper to just source the parts yourself, anyone with experience doing this?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 11:41:53
Yea that reddit post is wrong cause no teensy included in its calculations.

Furthermore it doesn't include a case. massdrop's case options make it worth it in my opinion.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:02:38
should i be nervous about soldering 1N4148W-7-F diodes?  I have never soldered something so small.  I have a Hakko 888-d with the tip it came with.  Should i procur a small tip for this work? if so what tip?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: WRXChris on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:17:06
It isn't that bad, I used a helping hands magnifier and a tip similar to hakko's i shaped tip. See this page for reference:  http://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/series_t18.html (http://www.hakko.com/english/tip_selection/series_t18.html)

Tweezers are also a necessity. There are some helpful videos somewhere. Good luck!
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: daerid on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:27:02
They are also offering MX Green switches this time, and also you can also opt to get no switches, which I might actually do and try out the Matias switches instead.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:51:21
I'm confused.

I might be blind or something, but it looks like the PCB has a square and round slot/pad for every switch?  for LEDs?

Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:52:46
I'd rather wait for acidfire's board.

How long does it take md to get your ergodox to your door?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:53:55
someone on reddit said the nov 15 or so drop left massdrop on jan 24 for them.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:56:11
They are also offering MX Green switches this time, and also you can also opt to get no switches, which I might actually do and try out the Matias switches instead.

i was under the impression that alps switches are not doable on the ergo dox's current PCB.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:56:55
I'd rather wait for acidfire's board.

How long does it take md to get your ergodox to your door?

mid march is what a massdrop employee said on the forum on the drop page.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 27 January 2014, 12:57:35
They are also offering MX Green switches this time, and also you can also opt to get no switches, which I might actually do and try out the Matias switches instead.

i was under the impression that alps switches are not doable on the ergo dox's current PCB.

Because its double sided, you could mount alps on it. It wasn't designed to be like that but it just turned out that they barely fit
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 13:15:27
:) bought it.  classic acrylic case with clear switches but no caps.  I hope to actually get into AK's groupbuy and get a metal case though.

first time learning how to solder, so I'd rather get some sort of support and not screw myself over by missing some little piece.

now to wait 6 months  for it to get here :D   and to wait 4 days to hopefully see the lowest tier has been hit lol.

EDIT:

i hope the tissue man is proud of me :D
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Linkbane on Mon, 27 January 2014, 13:38:21
Right after I bought a board for $170. WHY, MASSDROP?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 13:56:26
:) bought it.  classic acrylic case with clear switches but no caps.  I hope to actually get into AK's groupbuy and get a metal case though.

first time learning how to solder, so I'd rather get some sort of support and not screw myself over by missing some little piece.

now to wait 6 months  for it to get here :D   and to wait 4 days to hopefully see the lowest tier has been hit lol.

EDIT:

i hope the tissue man is proud of me :D

TBC what are you doing for caps?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 14:00:02
oh sorry lol

i already have a 87 DSA kit for my current work board and plan on transplanting it.  Then I will use SP inventory stock to fill up all the ergo-only keys.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: luis911 on Mon, 27 January 2014, 14:32:46
I just got one with Brown switches. Anyone think thats a good combo? I've only used Blues and whites, but I like the Whites better.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 14:35:32
you should have gone for green if you like whites.  blues + browns are light cherry switches; greens + whites are heavy cherry switches.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:00:58
I find greens very tiring though. Which I don't think would be desirable on an ergo board. But to each their own. Greens are great for space and backspace on a blue board though.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: kod on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:24:48
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:28:17
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?

i was born with delays. REDLINE, GH60, 7-Bit buys.... massdrop doesnt scare me in the least. **** on most my buys these days i would love only 5 month wait.  but perfection takes time i guess.

speaking of 7-bit buys what do people think of SA/SPH sets on an ergo dox. i got the R4 SPH Space Cadet set but i like it on my pink QFR.  plus i have my doubts that SA and its intense row based profiles might make typing on a dox hell. can someone comment?  I was thinking DSA is the way to go.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Pacifist on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:29:16
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?

i was born with delays. REDLINE, GH60, 7-Bit buys.... massdrop doesnt scare me in the least.

speaking of 7-bit buys what do people think of SA/SPH sets on an ergo dox. i got the R4 SPH Space Cadet set but i like it on my pink QFR.  plus i have my doubts that SA and its intense row based profiles might make typing on a dox hell. can someone comment?

At least MD will respond to pms
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:31:51
i know right. try buying from REDLINE.

sidenote: i am not complaining about GH60 wait. i am fine with that.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: reziak on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:56:32
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?

Welcome to every groupbuy that's not run by Bunny and the gang  :p
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 17:31:57
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?

i was born with delays. REDLINE, GH60, 7-Bit buys.... massdrop doesnt scare me in the least. **** on most my buys these days i would love only 5 month wait.  but perfection takes time i guess.

speaking of 7-bit buys what do people think of SA/SPH sets on an ergo dox. i got the R4 SPH Space Cadet set but i like it on my pink QFR.  plus i have my doubts that SA and its intense row based profiles might make typing on a dox hell. can someone comment?  I was thinking DSA is the way to go.

this is ENTIRELY my personal opinion and not based on facts of any sort.  it just seems that high profile keys are unergonomic, raising your fingers adds tension to your wrist/hands; seems to defeat the point of ergo to me.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: clickclack123 on Mon, 27 January 2014, 18:36:43
:) bought it.  classic acrylic case with clear switches but no caps.  I hope to actually get into AK's groupbuy and get a metal case though.

Can someone link me to this groupbuy for a metal ergodox case please?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 18:41:49
^ not a GB yet, just an IC since he needs to confirm with the manufacturer

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53013.0
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: luis911 on Mon, 27 January 2014, 20:28:42
I find greens very tiring though. Which I don't think would be desirable on an ergo board. But to each their own. Greens are great for space and backspace on a blue board though.
Yea ill probably Just go with clear switches. Seems like a happy medium.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Internet Friend on Mon, 27 January 2014, 20:47:07
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?

I don't think they offer the pre-built option any more for exactly this reason.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 27 January 2014, 20:51:52
Buyer beware.

I ordered a built ergodox through massdrop at the end of August.

My order is (supposedly) going to arrive this wednesday.

I understand delays, but 5 months?

I'm curios who built them for them...
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: angelic_sedition on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:21:13
Perfect timing. I'm going to order one tomorrow. I can't wait to remap it to hell. How much of a pain are they to put together? I don't even have a soldering iron.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:26:46
Perfect timing. I'm going to order one tomorrow. I can't wait to remap it to hell. How much of a pain are they to put together? I don't even have a soldering iron.

Probably impossible for you at this time.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: angelic_sedition on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:31:34
Perfect timing. I'm going to order one tomorrow. I can't wait to remap it to hell. How much of a pain are they to put together? I don't even have a soldering iron.

Probably impossible for you at this time.

Well obviously I'm going to buy what I need.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: clickclack123 on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:33:36
Perfect timing. I'm going to order one tomorrow. I can't wait to remap it to hell. How much of a pain are they to put together? I don't even have a soldering iron.

It would be a major pain to put together without a soldering iron...  :eek:

With one, fairly easy. I'd have a bit of a practice soldering on something cheap first to learn though. It takes a little while to get used to how long solder takes to melt, and if you heat the components for too long you can kill them. I'd recommend having a watch of some youtube videos on soldering first as well.

I'm not sure if the Massdrop kit comes with surface mount or through hole diodes, but surface mount stuff can be fiddly for a beginner. I wouldn't worry too much though, diodes are super cheap. If you did kill one, it might be hard to troubleshoot where the dead one is though.

There's only one way to learn! Have a go!
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:36:05
i plan on practicing on techkeys cards :)
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: clickclack123 on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:41:08
i plan on practicing on techkeys cards :)

Where do you get those from? Do they come with the controller pre-soldered? That controller would be very fiddly for a beginner to solder, I'd venture to say impossible.

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Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tbc on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:47:04
being sold on techkeys.us now.  pretty sure everything is presoldered except for the switches + leds
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 27 January 2014, 21:50:01
i plan on practicing on techkeys cards :)

Where do you get those from? Do they come with the controller pre-soldered? That controller would be very fiddly for a beginner to solder, I'd venture to say impossible.

(Attachment Link)

http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/techkeys-keyboard-business-card

a link to help you find it
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: clickclack123 on Tue, 28 January 2014, 02:08:48
5.  Who has some crazy mod ideas for their ergo dox?

5. I want to try to transplant the mouse wheel with hyperscroll from my Logitech MX Revolution mouse into mine. It might be hard because the mouse has to sense the speed the wheel is moving at to turn the clutch off so it can free spin though. I might have to use my own controller to do this, which might be beyond the amount of effort that I'm willing to put into it though...

I'm still waiting on my ergodox but I think I'll also wait to see what AcidFire comes up with before I attempt anything though.

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Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: plainbriny on Tue, 28 January 2014, 03:00:43

5.  Who has some crazy mod ideas for their ergo dox?


Extra two button extension using RJ11 connection, detachable and can extend several meters. Handy for reading web pages.
Will try to attach pedals later for other uses, modifiers, perhaps?

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Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 28 January 2014, 09:32:52
where would you put the two button extension?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: daerid on Tue, 28 January 2014, 10:38:04
i was under the impression that alps switches are not doable on the ergo dox's current PCB.

So was I, but apparently that's not correct:

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22780.0;attach=51294;image)
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10931)

From here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.msg1196483#msg1196483)
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 28 January 2014, 14:57:20
alps are overrated anyway. they are cherished simply because they are hard to acquire. cherry mx and topre are much better switches. 
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:02:55
alps are overrated anyway. they are cherished simply because they are hard to acquire. cherry mx and topre are much better switches.

imo matias quiet is pretty awesome
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:14:24
alps are overrated anyway. they are cherished simply because they are hard to acquire. cherry mx and topre are much better switches.

imo matias quiet is pretty awesome

matias is alps that is true. and the two times i have gotten to touch a matias board i was impressed. with that said i still wouldnt go to the effort to try and "jimmy-rig" a MX board to fit alps, simply because it isnt worth the effort.  not to hate on alps. i just feel indifferent about them.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: daerid on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:18:09
alps are overrated anyway. they are cherished simply because they are hard to acquire. cherry mx and topre are much better switches. 

Negative. I actually like the feel better than Cherry. And normally I wouldn't go the effort either, but since the Ergodox requires assembly anyways, it's actually no more difficult than installing Cherries.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:51:39
alps are overrated anyway. they are cherished simply because they are hard to acquire. cherry mx and topre are much better switches. 

Negative. I actually like the feel better than Cherry. And normally I wouldn't go the effort either, but since the Ergodox requires assembly anyways, it's actually no more difficult than installing Cherries.

i always thought you were a topre guy?! like a hardcore topre guy. 55g realforce if my memory serves me.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 28 January 2014, 17:16:39
should i be nervous about soldering 1N4148W-7-F diodes?  I have never soldered something so small.  I have a Hakko 888-d with the tip it came with.  Should i procur a small tip for this work? if so what tip?
I did it with the Hakko 888D and its original included tip. The first half was tough (as in time consuming and fiddly, because I was a newbie, not difficult per se), the second half went much easier. You’ll need some good small tweezers (the smaller the better).

The way I did it was: (0) Add a bunch of liquid flux over the area you’ll be soldering [this might not be strictly necessary, but can’t hurt]. (1) Add a drop of solder to one pad each diode is going to sit on. Do these at least 5-10 at a time to save time. (2) Hold the diode next to the now solder-blobbed pad with your tweezers in one hand. Heat the solder with your iron and quickly but carefully push the diode into alignment. When you pull the iron away the solder will quickly harden sticking your diode firmly in place. (3) Hold your solder wire near the pad on the other side of the diode, use your iron to heat that pad / end of the diode for a second or two, then push the solder in to make the connection on that side.

I used thicker solder than would be ideal for this, I think. If I did it again I’d maybe use .02" thick stuff. Though for the through-hole parts, the .031" solder was great.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 28 January 2014, 17:25:34
i was under the impression that alps switches are not doable on the ergo dox's current PCB.
So was I, but apparently that's not correct:
Note that the plate isn’t going to work, so you’ll need to cut a new plate.

Also, has anyone seen a picture of a whole ergodox put together with Alps switches? That picture only shows 2 soldered in.

alps are overrated anyway. they are cherished simply because they are hard to acquire. cherry mx and topre are much better switches.
Which Alps switches have you tried? Some old Alps keyboards have suffered for their age (just like some old MX keyboards) and don’t feel like they should.

But IMO, Alps complicated white/blue/orange/brown (and probably also taxi yellow) switches are nicer feeling than MX blue/clear/brown, and Alps complicated yellow/green are nicer than MX red/black. The Matias quiet switches are also quite nice. Various other switches compatible w/ Alps keycaps are also interesting, like the orange Omrons and the SMKs.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: luis911 on Wed, 29 January 2014, 00:18:16
Quick question. Why do most ErgoDOX use blank keycaps? Since it's open source I'm assuming it's to support any type of layout the user wants to program into the keyboard. Having said that, does anyone sell a full set of keycaps with legends and all? can I just purchase a regular keycaps set from somewhere else. Thanks.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: plainbriny on Wed, 29 January 2014, 01:33:48
where would you put the two button extension?

holding on my hand...

Seriously, I assume you mean how do I wire the two buttons?

The thumb cluster of the ergodox have two spare sets of holes for two additional keys, I just solder the diodes and the cable to these holes. It is really very straightforward.

Using tmk firmware, the two buttons can function as 4 keys now (with the ACTION_LAYER_TAP_KEY(layer, key) function), which is kind of neat

However, I think pedals can serve my purpose better, and freeing my hands from web browsing. actually the pedals I ordered just arrived today. will try to connect them to the ergodox after the holidays.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: angelic_sedition on Wed, 29 January 2014, 10:58:38
where would you put the two button extension?

holding on my hand...

Seriously, I assume you mean how do I wire the two buttons?

The thumb cluster of the ergodox have two spare sets of holes for two additional keys, I just solder the diodes and the cable to these holes. It is really very straightforward.

Using tmk firmware, the two buttons can function as 4 keys now (with the ACTION_LAYER_TAP_KEY(layer, key) function), which is kind of neat

However, I think pedals can serve my purpose better, and freeing my hands from web browsing. actually the pedals I ordered just arrived today. will try to connect them to the ergodox after the holidays.

How many pedals does it take to browse with your feet?... O.o
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Wed, 29 January 2014, 13:47:25
Quick question. Why do most ErgoDOX use blank keycaps? Since it's open source I'm assuming it's to support any type of layout the user wants to program into the keyboard. Having said that, does anyone sell a full set of keycaps with legends and all? can I just purchase a regular keycaps set from somewhere else. Thanks.

well i havent really seen any full ergodox sets that have legends.  most ergodox keycap sets come in blanks simply because with legends they would never be able to satisfy everyone configuration.  what you should do is this:

find a group buy for DCS or DSA caps with legends. buy an alpha set or TKL set if possible. use the blank DSA caps from the massdrop buy for all your modifiers. if you want then you can get individual modifier caps made from SP with your desired legends (i think it is like $7 per cap). 

we may get lucky though. with another massdrop ergo sale perhaps one of our esteemed elders will start a buy for the DOX with legends.  that buy would be a logistical nightmare of course but it could happen maybe? 

what i am going to do is use the DOLCH DSA Caps i ordered from REDLINE (If those clowns ever ship) for my alphas and then leave the blank black mods from Massdrop until i can source the mods.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: davkol on Wed, 29 January 2014, 14:55:51
Quick question. Why do most ErgoDOX use blank keycaps? Since it's open source I'm assuming it's to support any type of layout the user wants to program into the keyboard. Having said that, does anyone sell a full set of keycaps with legends and all? can I just purchase a regular keycaps set from somewhere else. Thanks.

Round 5
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: plainbriny on Wed, 29 January 2014, 18:00:46
How many pedals does it take to browse with your feet?... O.o

Actually I use them to read long pages, so currently I assigned 4 actions to two switches, page up/page down/back/tab. I still need other means for navigation.

If we use 3 pedals, we can have 9 actions, the need for mouse/keyboard will be significantly reduced.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 30 January 2014, 09:25:41
Quick question. Why do most ErgoDOX use blank keycaps? Since it's open source I'm assuming it's to support any type of layout the user wants to program into the keyboard. Having said that, does anyone sell a full set of keycaps with legends and all? can I just purchase a regular keycaps set from somewhere else. Thanks.

Round 5

SA Caps for an ErgoDox?! what ta ya crazy!?

i mean i have some SA Caps and the idea of putting them on my incoming Dox is nutso.  the profile of SA Caps changes dramatically between rows. I think a DSA or maybe (maybe) DCS caps are a must.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: wrwhoami on Thu, 30 January 2014, 11:01:40
I buy it! :))
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: daerid on Thu, 30 January 2014, 11:14:31
I think Glod uses SA caps on his Dox
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: davkol on Thu, 30 January 2014, 13:40:51
Quick question. Why do most ErgoDOX use blank keycaps? Since it's open source I'm assuming it's to support any type of layout the user wants to program into the keyboard. Having said that, does anyone sell a full set of keycaps with legends and all? can I just purchase a regular keycaps set from somewhere else. Thanks.

Round 5

SA Caps for an ErgoDox?! what ta ya crazy!?

i mean i have some SA Caps and the idea of putting them on my incoming Dox is nutso.  the profile of SA Caps changes dramatically between rows. I think a DSA or maybe (maybe) DCS caps are a must.

There are two sets: uniform Row 3 and the normal one, I think.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Thu, 30 January 2014, 14:04:35
this is incorrect. SA profiles for each row are different. by a good amount. Round 5 does not offer uniform Row 3 alpha keys (which i have never heard a SA set having)

From Round 5 Wiki:
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/2/27/HONEY_ERGO_sample.png)

i am obsessed with how SA sets look. i am a huge fan. but i also can admit their weakness, which is these caps are as far from uniform profile as you can get.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 30 January 2014, 14:18:56
this is incorrect. SA profiles for each row are different. by a good amount. Round 5 does not offer uniform Row 3 alpha keys (which i have never heard a SA set having)

From Round 5 Wiki:
Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/2/27/HONEY_ERGO_sample.png)


i am obsessed with how SA sets look. i am a huge fan. but i also can admit their weakness, which is these caps are as far from uniform profile as you can get.

commando has all row 3 alphas (and penumbra will also)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45655.0

for ergodox thoughts with the all row 3 alphas check this post

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45655.msg1204880#msg1204880
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: davkol on Thu, 30 January 2014, 15:11:59
this is incorrect. SA profiles for each row are different. by a good amount. Round 5 does not offer uniform Row 3 alpha keys (which i have never heard a SA set having)

HONEY/ERGO/R3
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 30 January 2014, 15:36:11
What I want to know is: Have they fixed the bugs?
- holes in the plate for Costar-style stabilisers being on the wrong side of the switch, don't fit
- outer column keys for 1u has the holes wrong.

i was under the impression that alps switches are not doable on the ergo dox's current PCB.

So was I, but apparently that's not correct:

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22780.0;attach=51294;image)

Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/10931)


From here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=22780.msg1196483#msg1196483)
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6108/2l9c.png)
Close, but not perfect. You would need a custom plate, also.
The Alps switches are a tiny bit higher up, so you may not be able to combine Matias and Cherry MX switches freely on the same board.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: daerid on Thu, 30 January 2014, 19:36:17
Wouldn't want to. All or nothing for me.
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 31 January 2014, 00:44:06
I stand corrected about no r3 only SA sets being out there. Damn that round 5 buy is huge.

Clears are best with 62g Springs? I like blues. What about just putting in brown Springs? Are they strong enough for the clear switch?
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: ebacho on Fri, 31 January 2014, 00:48:21
Clears are best with 62g Springs? I like blues. What about just putting in brown Springs? Are they strong enough for the clear switch?

In my experience anything above 55g is fine depending on your tactile preferences.  The lighter spring you use, the more of the bump you'll feel as opposed to a "cushiony" feeling on the bottom out.   
Title: Re: ErgoDox on Massdrop AGAIN! 1/27/14
Post by: clickclack123 on Fri, 31 January 2014, 01:04:43
I stand corrected about no r3 only SA sets being out there. Damn that round 5 buy is huge.

Clears are best with 62g Springs? I like blues. What about just putting in brown Springs? Are they strong enough for the clear switch?

I'm pretty sure Clears with brown springs are called ergo clears and they seem to polarize people - some love them, some hate them. I haven't tried either clears or ergo clears.