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Title: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Fandom on Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:55:42
Hey lads,

After a couple pinging experiences with plate-mounted, Cherry MX brown boards, I'm looking for alternative keyboards that are not making metallic sounds on the upstroke. I'm making a new thread here to focus on the sound of the Topre boards.

How would a Topre Realforce fair in this category? I don't care about click-clack noise in this regards, only for the high-pitched metallic sound that occurs, you know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 28 January 2014, 20:57:27
Solving ping on mx is easy

shelf dampener+ tramoline mod+latex milk mod+not bottoming out
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: keymaster on Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:00:14
This is a very accurate example of what Topre Realforce sounds like. As you can hear, there's no metal pinging.

Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:02:22
I need to make a video typing on my HHKB.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: ComradeSniper on Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:06:31
I made a couple typing vids a while ago:


Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: osi on Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:57:30
I made a couple typing vids a while ago:



Nice vids. The plated sound seemed to be sharper and the hhkb was more muffled

Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:03:55
Man... I just recently bought a Filco, and I have the Topre sitting in the storage, and seeing all these videos made me miss my Topre. :(

I know, I know. I should bust it out again, and I will eventually. I'm just spending time getting acclimated to this Filco.

That said, since I've had the Topre in storage for a couple of weeks, I don't remember the exact details... BUT, as all those videos show, it's a quiet keyboard. It's definitely quieter than my Filco, and I definitely remember it NOT pinging, IIRC. When I first got the Filco I immediately noticed heavy pinging, so that probably means there wasn't that much ping, or any at all, with the Topre to begin with.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: neunelfer on Tue, 28 January 2014, 22:16:08
Here's mine:


Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Sai on Wed, 29 January 2014, 00:20:25
Here's mine:


is this lubed?
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: neunelfer on Wed, 29 January 2014, 07:51:52
Here's mine:


is this lubed?

Nope
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 29 January 2014, 21:14:28
HHKB does not ping - it does not have a plate as such.

RealForce has a plate, but I have not heard of them pinging.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: divito on Wed, 29 January 2014, 23:26:25
I know personal preference and everything, but the sound of Topre isn't much different than a rubber dome with a snap back at the end. Really sounds muffled and gross. Still plan to own / try one, but seems mushy and undistinct over a tactile and clicky keyboard.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: terran5992 on Wed, 29 January 2014, 23:58:52
I love this thread.

So much thopre :D
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 30 January 2014, 00:36:34
I know personal preference and everything, but the sound of Topre isn't much different than a rubber dome with a snap back at the end. Really sounds muffled and gross. Still plan to own / try one, but seems mushy and undistinct over a tactile and clicky keyboard.

It doesn't sound anything like a normal rubber dome keyboard...I mean, probably half the reason people like Topre is the sound...Do you think if it sounded like any other keyboard that would be the case?
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 30 January 2014, 00:55:09
I know personal preference and everything, but the sound of Topre isn't much different than a rubber dome with a snap back at the end. Really sounds muffled and gross. Still plan to own / try one, but seems mushy and undistinct over a tactile and clicky keyboard.

It doesn't sound anything like a normal rubber dome keyboard...I mean, probably half the reason people like Topre is the sound...Do you think if it sounded like any other keyboard that would be the case?

It certainly doesn't feel anything like rubber dome!

Actually, maybe it does, but technically as a rubber dome keyboard, it feels so much better than membrane rubber dome keyboards!
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: tbc on Thu, 30 January 2014, 00:55:41
there are so many factors affecting perception of sound between two people in the same room, it's not surprising that people can 'hear the same sound' and still disagree what it sounds like over the internet.

can we at least agree on that?
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 30 January 2014, 01:18:55
there are so many factors affecting perception of sound between two people in the same room, it's not surprising that people can 'hear the same sound' and still disagree what it sounds like over the internet.

can we at least agree on that?

I would agree.  I wouldn't say that I can definitely hear the Thorpe thock, at least not as it is depicted in numerous videos on the interwebs.

But then my desk and room acoustics would be playing a role in that.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 30 January 2014, 01:20:59
there are so many factors affecting perception of sound between two people in the same room, it's not surprising that people can 'hear the same sound' and still disagree what it sounds like over the internet.

can we at least agree on that?

I would agree.  I wouldn't say that I can definitely hear the Thorpe thock, at least not as it is depicted in numerous videos on the interwebs.

But then my desk and room acoustics would be playing a role in that.

Or in my case I'm starting to have to ask people to repeat themselves...... #notoldenoughforhearingproblems
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 30 January 2014, 01:32:36
there are so many factors affecting perception of sound between two people in the same room, it's not surprising that people can 'hear the same sound' and still disagree what it sounds like over the internet.

can we at least agree on that?

I would agree.  I wouldn't say that I can definitely hear the Thorpe thock, at least not as it is depicted in numerous videos on the interwebs.

But then my desk and room acoustics would be playing a role in that.

Or in my case I'm starting to have to ask people to repeat themselves...... #notoldenoughforhearingproblems

Pardon?
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 30 January 2014, 02:19:32
Hey lads,

After a couple pinging experiences with plate-mounted, Cherry MX brown boards, I'm looking for alternative keyboards that are not making metallic sounds on the upstroke. I'm making a new thread here to focus on the sound of the Topre boards.

How would a Topre Realforce fair in this category? I don't care about click-clack noise in this regards, only for the high-pitched metallic sound that occurs, you know what I'm talking about.

If you are referring to the Filco "ping" then try a Ducky or lube the springs of the switches. No ping. On the other hand if you're referring to the sound of the slider hitting the switch top when releasing the key, both MX and Topre keys do that. The only ones that don't are Topre-S (silenced) and Matias Quiet switches. The sound is still there, but the volume and tone are changed.

You can mod standard Topre and MX switches to reduce / deaden the sound, though. Dental band modded Topre, or latex modded MX switches. They do a better job than the commercial "silent" switch types, IMHO.

Here's a video of my DIY silenced MX switches:

Here's a dental band modded Topre:

Keycaps can also change the sound a little. Heavier ones create lower pitch sounds on bottoming out and release.
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: sth on Thu, 30 January 2014, 02:23:53
keep in mind that dental o-ring modding a topre switch will noticeably reduce the travel. i hit a lot of 'ghost' keys just by resting my hands on the keyboard.

but i do like the change in sound and feel :)
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 30 January 2014, 02:54:20
The videos aren't loading for me, could someone link them to me?
Title: Re: Topre Realforce sound
Post by: Danule on Thu, 30 January 2014, 07:30:53
no ping on a realforce.