Friend zone = game over
Then it sets your PC on fireFriend zone = game over
With no revive and no replay?
Then it sets your PC on fireFriend zone = game over
With no revive and no replay?
Friend zone = game over
Whatever you do, do NOT put on a fedora.
I got my superb lady friend by falling asleep on her at a party. She thought I was making a move and acting cute about it. Really she just didn't push me off.
Attraction at its best. :thumb:
Hahahaha.... that's innocent and almost disney but.... you don't actually need to do ANY of that stuff...
The primary component to attraction is physical..
Check list:
Do you like her physically?
Does she like you physically?
Is there someone more attractive than you are, who is in her social-circumstances?
--- Can you eliminate such a person by some form of competition?
Your parents and all your friends might be telling you "personality" matters.. That is only with respect to "LONG TERM" relationships..
Since you're 15.... that should not be a priority, and you should optimize towards gaining as much inter-gender experience as possible...
Hahahaha.... that's innocent and almost disney but.... you don't actually need to do ANY of that stuff...
The primary component to attraction is physical..
Check list:
Do you like her physically?
Does she like you physically?
Is there someone more attractive than you are, who is in her social-circumstances?
--- Can you eliminate such a person by some form of competition?
Your parents and all your friends might be telling you "personality" matters.. That is only with respect to "LONG TERM" relationships..
Since you're 15.... that should not be a priority, and you should optimize towards gaining as much inter-gender experience as possible...
What an awful thing to suggest to a 15-year-old
Hahahaha.... that's innocent and almost disney but.... you don't actually need to do ANY of that stuff...T
The primary component to attraction is physical..
Check list:
Do you like her physically?
Does she like you physically?
Is there someone more attractive than you are, who is in her social-circumstances?
--- Can you eliminate such a person by some form of competition?
Your parents and all your friends might be telling you "personality" matters.. That is only with respect to "LONG TERM" relationships..
Since you're 15.... that should not be a priority, and you should optimize towards gaining as much inter-gender experience as possible...
Or you can use this method. Flirt occasionally, but tell her you just want to be friends. Then when she starts to seem interested in you, start talking about another girl whom you're friends with that's she's never met. After a month or so of this, if she's interested in you, you'll know it. Eventually hang out with her and a group of friends, and dwindle down the group overtime until just the two of you hang out together. At this time you can have a personal conversation where you casually mention things not working out with your "other friend", and see what happens next.unholy crap on a cracker. how is this better than just ****ing asking her out?
Because nothing attracts a girl more then pretending like you're not interested.
Edit: Forgot to mention, it helps if you display a good level of confidence when you're around her...
Or you can use this method. Flirt occasionally, but tell her you just want to be friends. Then when she starts to seem interested in you, start talking about another girl whom you're friends with that's she's never met. After a month or so of this, if she's interested in you, you'll know it. Eventually hang out with her and a group of friends, and dwindle down the group overtime until just the two of you hang out together. At this time you can have a personal conversation where you casually mention things not working out with your "other friend", and see what happens next.unholy crap on a cracker. how is this better than just ****ing asking her out?
Because nothing attracts a girl more then pretending like you're not interested.
Edit: Forgot to mention, it helps if you display a good level of confidence when you're around her...
Seriously though, if you like her just ask her out on a date and be confident about it.This!
Do not push any farther than she is comfortable witharen't you a girl, prdlm2009?
Do not push any farther than she is comfortable witharen't you a girl, prdlm2009?
the collective advice here is atrocious. dude, you're fifteen, time to start honing your skills of perception.
start thinking about where the two of you are with informational intimacy. do you confide in each other? does she come to you instead of others when in need of someone to listen? are you the first person she comes to with news?
what about body language? does she touch you? that means touching your shoulder when you make her laugh. does she hug you when you part company? does she make an effort to sit next to you at events or during lunch?
when you flirt, tease, joke with her does she reciprocate? (if not, stop immediately because you're verging on creep. learn to tone your emotions down. this skill will serve you well in life's many facets.)
if you answered yes multiple times, congrats. if not, back to the drawing board. you need to start making an effort by listening to her. she'll let you know. and if you do become good friends, you're there for each other, and you're still asking yourself if she likes you, then the answer is more than likely "no".
there is no such thing as the friend zone. that's made up by inept boys who put in useless time trying to woo girls that weren't interested in the first place. terms like "friend zone" are there to assuage the ego, often preceding the word ***** or slut in order to reaffirm one's social worth. ignore this crap. also, ignore things like rules for waiting to call/text a girl. and don't play games like ignoring her or playing another girl up. just because it worked for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you.
hone your skills and stop going to the internet for advice. if you have to come to a forum to ask a question, the answer's already a big no.
good luck, dude!
the collective advice here is atrocious. dude, you're fifteen, time to start honing your skills of perception.
start thinking about where the two of you are with informational intimacy. do you confide in each other? does she come to you instead of others when in need of someone to listen? are you the first person she comes to with news?
what about body language? does she touch you? that means touching your shoulder when you make her laugh. does she hug you when you part company? does she make an effort to sit next to you at events or during lunch?
when you flirt, tease, joke with her does she reciprocate? (if not, stop immediately because you're verging on creep. learn to tone your emotions down. this skill will serve you well in life's many facets.)
if you answered yes multiple times, congrats. if not, back to the drawing board. you need to start making an effort by listening to her. she'll let you know. and if you do become good friends, you're there for each other, and you're still asking yourself if she likes you, then the answer is more than likely "no".
there is no such thing as the friend zone. that's made up by inept boys who put in useless time trying to woo girls that weren't interested in the first place. terms like "friend zone" are there to assuage the ego, often preceding the word ***** or slut in order to reaffirm one's social worth. ignore this crap. also, ignore things like rules for waiting to call/text a girl. and don't play games like ignoring her or playing another girl up. just because it worked for someone else doesn't mean it will work for you.
hone your skills and stop going to the internet for advice. if you have to come to a forum to ask a question, the answer's already a big no.
good luck, dude!
^^ This is probably the worst advice here..
There is no "technique"...
There is no "right way"...
Attraction is Automatic.... you see angelina-jolie, and you just KNOW, you want to have babies with her...
The same goes for women... When a female sees Hugh Jackman, she just KNOWs, she wants to have babies with him...
All the rituals that people talk about, the back and forth, the "romance"... none of that actually exists..
It's a very straight forward process...
You are physically attractive, check...
You are intelligent, can hold job, check....
You will not run away once a child is born, check.....
Done deal....
NOW, as a 15 year old... Job, and child rearing are NOT part of the selection process... because you're too young for either.....
SO.... physical attraction is now the ONLY criteria...
Save yourself the headache and just block him.
Whoa princess. I'm talking about blocking TP.
;) you aren't so bad yourself. But yeah, it's hard to argue with somebody that thinks he's always right.
;) you aren't so bad yourself. But yeah, it's hard to argue with somebody that thinks he's always right.
;) you aren't so bad yourself. But yeah, it's hard to argue with somebody that thinks he's always right.
because I am right... arn't I, that's why it's hard to argue with me..
;) you aren't so bad yourself. But yeah, it's hard to argue with somebody that thinks he's always right.
See, OP, this is how you get a girl to go out with you.
Get a room already you three and show junior how it's done.
when you're 15, she'll already either like you right away or you'll have to fake all the personality until she's convinced herself that she likes you (ususally after already going out for month+). there's not much to it; people are very very self-conscious about what others think of them (and their boyfriend), so they'll just pick someone who is acceptable (so act acceptable)
so basically, fake it till you make it. find out if she prefers the guy being direct (me + you + now) or clever (i like a girl...that is also you)
for the love of god, don't make a videogame; that's ridiculous.
last but not least, go to the gym. you're not going to turn into arnold anytime soon; don't worry.
for the first time in a couple centuries, tp4 is right.when you're 15, she'll already either like you right away or you'll have to fake all the personality until she's convinced herself that she likes you (ususally after already going out for month+). there's not much to it; people are very very self-conscious about what others think of them (and their boyfriend), so they'll just pick someone who is acceptable (so act acceptable)
so basically, fake it till you make it. find out if she prefers the guy being direct (me + you + now) or clever (i like a girl...that is also you)
for the love of god, don't make a videogame; that's ridiculous.
last but not least, go to the gym. you're not going to turn into arnold anytime soon; don't worry.
gym at 15 is useless... you'll get 0 growth for your efforts.
Elrick had it easy, he just wrestled a crocodile and wore a hat with corks on and BAM had a wife :))So does this mean that the OP should go wrestle a crocodile?
Elrick had it easy, he just wrestled a crocodile and wore a hat with corks on and BAM had a wife :))
I don't think my local zoo would be too happy if I went and wrestled one of their croc's for the affection of a women.Elrick had it easy, he just wrestled a crocodile and wore a hat with corks on and BAM had a wife :))
I lived most of my life down south far away from any crocs, but some women get turned on when you kill a croc for them, up north near Darwin. Go figure, if that's what's required to nab women every day of the week - I would of gone croc hunting everyday when I was in my teenage years :thumb: .
I think the closest I've been too hunting (apart from birds) was the time I shot a sheep with an air rifle (it walked behind my target and I'm not a great shot).This thread went from asking a girl out to talking about hunting and crocodiles. Amazing (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_084_.gif)
I held a crocodile once it felt kinda cool, crocodile skin keyboard anyone? ;)
Anyway I'm just going to get iri to set me up with one of those Russians Brides you hear about.
if you actually train properly and can't grow muscle mass by the time you're 15. you have a rather serious deficiency of some sort and ACTUALLY need to go see a doctor. I'm not trying to brag or anything; it's a sign of a potentially serious problem. seriously. get a doctor to run some tests looking for low-testosterone (at the very least). it's not going to kill you right away, but it's still important to your long-term health.you don't seem to have a clue about male teenagers' muscle growth either.
if you can't get stronger, then i imagine that's some sort of nervous system related issue. honestly never heard of someone not getting stronger after going to the gym though (not talking about plateaus, those are perfectly normal)
EDIT:
you two are both guys right? I'm just talking about guys; don't have a clue about average female athletic potential through puberty.
I held a crocodile once it felt kinda cool, crocodile skin keyboard anyone? ;)
Anyway I'm just going to get iri to set me up with one of those Russians Brides you hear about.
Anyway I'm just going to get iri to set me up with one of those Russians Brides you hear about.only if you kill a saltwater croc for me.
Anyway I'm just going to get iri to set me up with one of those Russians Brides you hear about.only if you kill a saltwater croc for me.Show Image(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saltwater_crocodile.jpg)
Anyway I'm just going to get iri to set me up with one of those Russians Brides you hear about.only if you kill a saltwater croc for me.Show Image(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saltwater_crocodile.jpg)
Make it a 4 meter (13.1 feet) male, they should be fun especially around November to March.
Anyway I'm just going to get iri to set me up with one of those Russians Brides you hear about.only if you kill a saltwater croc for me.Show Image(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saltwater_crocodile.jpg)
Make it a 4 meter (13.1 feet) male, they should be fun especially around November to March.
Only bare hands allowed during the kill too.
So we're both 15 and we've known eachother our whole lives. A few months ago I started liking her! :D
So I wanted to do something special for asking her out, so I was thinking of doing this: I would make a sidescroller game in unity and in each level it would go something like: KoKi thinks you are really funny or KoKi thinks you are beatiful or KoKi really likes you, and at the end it would say: Would you go out with me?
She isn't really a gamer, but she likes to play a browser game from time to time.
Would this be a good way to ask her out?
Sorry for bad english, it isn't my 1st language. :)
That sounds more like something you would do to propose, not ask someone out lol
That sounds more like something you would do to propose, not ask someone out lol
Can't you tell yet, we're talking about FIRST timers here :thumb: . So glad to see virgins hitting it off (hopefully soon in their case). When it's your very first, everything is perfect and so much to look forward to ;D .
Trust me, it won't be the last time if you're serious about enjoying the lusciousness of women. She will only be the first in a very long line of excitement and discovery as you get older and more experienced. That is what life is all about for us men, so please enjoy it and don't seal yourself up in a computer room and watch the years drift by for nothing. You will never get back your youth if you waste it now.
Go out there and procreate with every living female you come across.
Genghis Khan style!! But really, use protection, or else you lose all your youth to raising mini kahn.. :eek:That sounds more like something you would do to propose, not ask someone out lol
Can't you tell yet, we're talking about FIRST timers here :thumb: . So glad to see virgins hitting it off (hopefully soon in their case). When it's your very first, everything is perfect and so much to look forward to ;D .
Trust me, it won't be the last time if you're serious about enjoying the lusciousness of women. She will only be the first in a very long line of excitement and discovery as you get older and more experienced. That is what life is all about for us men, so please enjoy it and don't seal yourself up in a computer room and watch the years drift by for nothing. You will never get back your youth if you waste it now.
Go out there and procreate with every living female you come across.
[/spoiler]That sounds more like something you would do to propose, not ask someone out lol
Can't you tell yet, we're talking about FIRST timers here :thumb: . So glad to see virgins hitting it off (hopefully soon in their case). When it's your very first, everything is perfect and so much to look forward to ;D .
Trust me, it won't be the last time if you're serious about enjoying the lusciousness of women. She will only be the first in a very long line of excitement and discovery as you get older and more experienced. That is what life is all about for us men, so please enjoy it and don't seal yourself up in a computer room and watch the years drift by for nothing. You will never get back your youth if you waste it now.
Go out there and procreate with every living female you come across.
Genghis Khan style!! But really, use protection, or else you lose all your youth to raising mini kahn.. :eek:
if you actually train properly and can't grow muscle mass by the time you're 15. you have a rather serious deficiency of some sort and ACTUALLY need to go see a doctor. I'm not trying to brag or anything; it's a sign of a potentially serious problem. seriously. get a doctor to run some tests looking for low-testosterone (at the very least). it's not going to kill you right away, but it's still important to your long-term health.you don't seem to have a clue about male teenagers' muscle growth either.
if you can't get stronger, then i imagine that's some sort of nervous system related issue. honestly never heard of someone not getting stronger after going to the gym though (not talking about plateaus, those are perfectly normal)
EDIT:
you two are both guys right? I'm just talking about guys; don't have a clue about average female athletic potential through puberty.
So we're both 15 and we've known eachother our whole lives. A few months ago I started liking her! :D
So I wanted to do something special for asking her out, so I was thinking of doing this: I would make a sidescroller game in unity and in each level it would go something like: KoKi thinks you are really funny or KoKi thinks you are beatiful or KoKi really likes you, and at the end it would say: Would you go out with me?
She isn't really a gamer, but she likes to play a browser game from time to time.
Would this be a good way to ask her out?
Sorry for bad english, it isn't my 1st language. :)
So we're both 15 and we've known eachother our whole lives. A few months ago I started liking her! :D
So I wanted to do something special for asking her out, so I was thinking of doing this: I would make a sidescroller game in unity and in each level it would go something like: KoKi thinks you are really funny or KoKi thinks you are beatiful or KoKi really likes you, and at the end it would say: Would you go out with me?
She isn't really a gamer, but she likes to play a browser game from time to time.
Would this be a good way to ask her out?
Sorry for bad english, it isn't my 1st language. :)
Nope.
You are 15 and can read English. Great.
You need to get the following books, by all means necessary:
- "The Game" by Neil Strauss (2005)
- "The Mystery Method" by Mystery (2007)
- "Revelation" by Mystery (2008)
Maybe start by reading the first one to reboot yourself. It's a long book, but it's easy to read and once you start you want to read it all.
You will learn how it works. You will learn sociodynamics. You will learn that it is easier to speak to a GROUP of nice women you have never meet before than to a woman alone (I have incredible memories of practicing this in a mall - it was like discovering a parallel universe). You will learn what to say (not line by line, but you will understand how to manage the discussion).
You will learn that she wants you to invite her in YOUR universe (and it has to be worth it), and that she does not need that you comply with her universe.
There are so many things you will learn that I can't even start to list them all.
You will never learn them anywhere else, or it will take you a lifetime of bad experiences to learn them. And it will be too late by then.
Most importantly, you will understand women better. It's true that these books show you a number of "tricks" but these are things that come logically and naturally from understanding women. You will enjoy being with them because you will not be clueless, they will enjoy being with you because they will feel that you can really connect with them.
And one important advice: never EVER take fiction as an example of how to behave with women. Don't do what you see in movies and TV shows. Ignore what you see there, it's utter bull****, especially romantic comedies. It's fiction. It has been written to be pretty and interesting, it's not how it works in real life.
Oh and two other advices while I'm at it:
- Don't try to be just yourself. You need to be your best self and work hard on this. You can't just be yourself, it does not work.
- Don't even try to be confident. You can't. Only success will give you confidence, it's not the other way around. To get success you will need some advices from these books, and you will need practice.
(these last advices come from Neil Strauss himself)
Good luck.
Genghis Khan style!! But really, use protection, or else you lose all your youth to raising mini kahn.. :o
That sounds more like something you would do to propose, not ask someone out lol
Can't you tell yet, we're talking about FIRST timers here :thumb: . So glad to see virgins hitting it off (hopefully soon in their case). When it's your very first, everything is perfect and so much to look forward to ;D .
Trust me, it won't be the last time if you're serious about enjoying the lusciousness of women. She will only be the first in a very long line of excitement and discovery as you get older and more experienced. That is what life is all about for us men, so please enjoy it and don't seal yourself up in a computer room and watch the years drift by for nothing. You will never get back your youth if you waste it now.
Go out there and procreate with every living female you come across.
That sounds more like something you would do to propose, not ask someone out lol
Can't you tell yet, we're talking about FIRST timers here :thumb: . So glad to see virgins hitting it off (hopefully soon in their case). When it's your very first, everything is perfect and so much to look forward to ;D .
Trust me, it won't be the last time if you're serious about enjoying the lusciousness of women. She will only be the first in a very long line of excitement and discovery as you get older and more experienced. That is what life is all about for us men, so please enjoy it and don't seal yourself up in a computer room and watch the years drift by for nothing. You will never get back your youth if you waste it now.
Go out there and procreate with every living female you come across.
not gonna lie I threw up a whole bunch.
Genghis Khan style!! But really, use protection, or else you lose all your youth to raising mini kahn.. :o
ALWAYS wear protection out there. No matter what you poke, split in half or rip apart you have to always go Durex, Trojan, Vivid or whatever. Never go on a rampage buck naked, always wear your jimmy :thumb: .
I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
yeah, it feels bizarre. Geeks have girlfriends? Hey mate, go to a dating website for that info. I really don't think you should be asking geeks for girlfriend advice, unless your girlfriend is a geek also
I'm really not sure if you are serious or not. I hope not.I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
yeah, it feels bizarre. Geeks have girlfriends? Hey mate, go to a dating website for that info. I really don't think you should be asking geeks for girlfriend advice, unless your girlfriend is a geek also
no such thing as a TRUE female geek..
The majority of women are incapable of high-level Geekitude..
The reason is, they are hardwired to have children... and that seriously gets in the way of keyboard collecting.... or any other forms of inane devotion to a purposeless cause.Show Image(http://www.emotasia.com/wp-content/uploads/furball-panda-emoticon-6.gif)
I'm really not sure if you are serious or not. I hope not.I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
yeah, it feels bizarre. Geeks have girlfriends? Hey mate, go to a dating website for that info. I really don't think you should be asking geeks for girlfriend advice, unless your girlfriend is a geek also
no such thing as a TRUE female geek..
The majority of women are incapable of high-level Geekitude..
The reason is, they are hardwired to have children... and that seriously gets in the way of keyboard collecting.... or any other forms of inane devotion to a purposeless cause.Show Image(http://www.emotasia.com/wp-content/uploads/furball-panda-emoticon-6.gif)
for the first time in a couple centuries, tp4 is right.when you're 15, she'll already either like you right away or you'll have to fake all the personality until she's convinced herself that she likes you (ususally after already going out for month+). there's not much to it; people are very very self-conscious about what others think of them (and their boyfriend), so they'll just pick someone who is acceptable (so act acceptable)
so basically, fake it till you make it. find out if she prefers the guy being direct (me + you + now) or clever (i like a girl...that is also you)
for the love of god, don't make a videogame; that's ridiculous.
last but not least, go to the gym. you're not going to turn into arnold anytime soon; don't worry.
gym at 15 is useless... you'll get 0 growth for your efforts.
I'm really not sure if you are serious or not. I hope not.I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
yeah, it feels bizarre. Geeks have girlfriends? Hey mate, go to a dating website for that info. I really don't think you should be asking geeks for girlfriend advice, unless your girlfriend is a geek also
no such thing as a TRUE female geek..
The majority of women are incapable of high-level Geekitude..
The reason is, they are hardwired to have children... and that seriously gets in the way of keyboard collecting.... or any other forms of inane devotion to a purposeless cause.Show Image(http://www.emotasia.com/wp-content/uploads/furball-panda-emoticon-6.gif)
I am totally serious.....
Why is it that typically men go much further in the professional field....
Because on average it's the women raising kids and producing them..
Look at it this way in terms of "time costs"...
having children is 1 year of low productivity straight up (morning sickness, emotional swings).
+ recovery time, another year
+ raising the baby, sleepless nights, another 1 to 1.5 years.
+ monitoring and soccer practice for another 18 years before college.. another 5-8 years in total time spent on the kids...
So that 7 to 11 YEARS of time-cost from the female's age starting when she's 25-35.. which happens to be the MOST productive and physically fit time of that female's lifespan..
what is she going to do, come back at 40 and thrive in the workplace? seriously?
Tell me that 7 to 11 years does not impact devotion to a career..
Why do so many women drop out of their career path after taking maternity leave...
Given the complexity and greater focus required of today's professional workforce.. women are ill-suited, because they are the primary population tasked with the biology to procreate and take care of children..
That's not to say they couldn't choose to not have babies, or couldn't be truly exceptional in focus, and possibly do the baby and the job equally well...
HOWEVER, that is the exception..
The majority of women will not be able to do that..
This relates to Geekitude in a similar way... women will not put so much pointless time (like men) into some dumb hobby unrelated to the well-being of their offspring...
They just wouldn't...
There are ones who do... I suppose... but let's not discuss that, because you can't do so without alot of name calling and depressing apologies in term choice.
most teenagers have fast metabolism, which makes in almost impossible to grow muscles :(for the first time in a couple centuries, tp4 is right.when you're 15, she'll already either like you right away or you'll have to fake all the personality until she's convinced herself that she likes you (ususally after already going out for month+). there's not much to it; people are very very self-conscious about what others think of them (and their boyfriend), so they'll just pick someone who is acceptable (so act acceptable)
so basically, fake it till you make it. find out if she prefers the guy being direct (me + you + now) or clever (i like a girl...that is also you)
for the love of god, don't make a videogame; that's ridiculous.
last but not least, go to the gym. you're not going to turn into arnold anytime soon; don't worry.
gym at 15 is useless... you'll get 0 growth for your efforts.
I started messing around with dumbells at around that age and grew like 50lbs in a year, from like 140lbs to nearly 200lbs. I'm pretty sure the weights didn't hurt since I don't train at all now and my natural weight is around 180lbs.
I'm a man who is over 40.wrong, you are 18/f/my area.
If you are from 'Muricawell, his location says "slovenia" and his avatar is the slovenian flag, so i guess he is not.
I'm a man who is over 40.wrong, you are 18/f/my area.If you are from 'Muricawell, his location says "slovenia" and his avatar is the slovenian flag, so i guess he is not.
when you're 15, she'll already either like you right away or you'll have to fake all the personality until she's convinced herself that she likes you (ususally after already going out for month+). there's not much to it; people are very very self-conscious about what others think of them (and their boyfriend), so they'll just pick someone who is acceptable (so act acceptable)
so basically, fake it till you make it. find out if she prefers the guy being direct (me + you + now) or clever (i like a girl...that is also you)
for the love of god, don't make a videogame; that's ridiculous.
last but not least, go to the gym. you're not going to turn into arnold anytime soon; don't worry.
gym at 15 is useless... you'll get 0 growth for your efforts.
I'm really not sure if you are serious or not. I hope not.I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
yeah, it feels bizarre. Geeks have girlfriends? Hey mate, go to a dating website for that info. I really don't think you should be asking geeks for girlfriend advice, unless your girlfriend is a geek also
no such thing as a TRUE female geek..
The majority of women are incapable of high-level Geekitude..
The reason is, they are hardwired to have children... and that seriously gets in the way of keyboard collecting.... or any other forms of inane devotion to a purposeless cause.Show Image(http://www.emotasia.com/wp-content/uploads/furball-panda-emoticon-6.gif)
I am totally serious.....
Why is it that typically men go much further in the professional field....
Because on average it's the women raising kids and producing them..
Look at it this way in terms of "time costs"...
having children is 1 year of low productivity straight up (morning sickness, emotional swings).
+ recovery time, another year
+ raising the baby, sleepless nights, another 1 to 1.5 years.
+ monitoring and soccer practice for another 18 years before college.. another 5-8 years in total time spent on the kids...
So that 7 to 11 YEARS of time-cost from the female's age starting when she's 25-35.. which happens to be the MOST productive and physically fit time of that female's lifespan..
what is she going to do, come back at 40 and thrive in the workplace? seriously?
Tell me that 7 to 11 years does not impact devotion to a career..
Why do so many women drop out of their career path after taking maternity leave...
Given the complexity and greater focus required of today's professional workforce.. women are ill-suited, because they are the primary population tasked with the biology to procreate and take care of children..
That's not to say they couldn't choose to not have babies, or couldn't be truly exceptional in focus, and possibly do the baby and the job equally well...
HOWEVER, that is the exception..
The majority of women will not be able to do that..
This relates to Geekitude in a similar way... women will not put so much pointless time (like men) into some dumb hobby unrelated to the well-being of their offspring...
They just wouldn't...
There are ones who do... I suppose... but let's not discuss that, because you can't do so without alot of name calling and depressing apologies in term choice.
O.O Holy **** you have no idea what it's like. First of all, the reason you don't see women in advancing in professional fields is because of people like you. Women, for whatever reason, are treated differently. I'm not saying they get paid less (although sometimes they do get lower starting salaries), but that there's an inherent gender bias that going to discourage them. Take the hard sciences as an example, specifically my field, physics. There aren't many women in physics: http://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenphysics.cfm. Why? Well part of it is that we're never really told it's something we can do. There are tons of women in biology. In fact, I think the field is almost dominated with women at this point, but biology isn't so taboo anymore. You're encouraged to go into biology and pursue med school/become a nurse/whatever you want to do. There are women already there, so you aren't going to get the weird looks or people acting differently around you because you're a different gender. It's much easier to stay in a field where you feel people can related to you.
But physics? The first thing that happened when I said I wanted to go into physics was: why would you want to do that? I got discouraged from the get go. Of course, I'm the type of person who doesn't care what people say, especially if all their life amounted to was being a high school counselor (yes, I was kind of an ass, but to some degree I'm glad I held that view). But other women? If there's someone there saying you can't do this or judging you for why you want to do something, you're going to think it's wrong to do so. Especially so when you're in high school and have no idea how the world really works. So women don't bother applying. My university has something like a 1:9 ratio of people entering physics/physics related (astrophysics is basically a physics degree), and in the upper classes it gets even worse. Why? Because women leave. You'd think the idea of getting easy scholarships would be enticing, but it isn't when you're being treated differently. And it's not just college you're treated differently, it's through the rest of your career: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/. I will always have to try that much harder to get people to respect me because I'm a woman in a minority field. I'm just glad I'm smart enough that I don't struggle with it. I've seen so many women leave because they couldn't quite get it and it just wasn't worth it to them to stay. And most of the women I know are actually in astrophysics. I don't know the stats on it, but from my experience, there's certainly less women is something like condensed matter. I think that's because there are astronomy clubs in high school telling women it's okay to be interested in this stuff.
Everything I've said about physics can be applied to engineering to a less severe extent. The point is, this happens before baby making age. Yea, some women leave their careers, but there are still a lot who stay, and those are the ones who are determined to do so. They are the ones who have the passion, so there shouldn't be any reason these few women don't get far in their career. But as you said, they don't. Some of that is due to the fact that there is this gender bias. There have been tons of studies done that show under all things being equal, a man will more likely get promoted over a woman, even if a woman is the one doing the promotion! Women are really at fault here too. For whatever reason, our entire society likes to judge women harsher than men. And this stuff begins in high school with the way promiscuous women are called sluts and promiscuous men are applauded. Even I was guilty of slut shaming when I was in high school. There was a girl we use to call the cum dumpster. And thinking back, this girl had a serious problem. She needed attention to the point where she was willing to change her self to a great degree. She probably had a ****ty home life. But I never gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Point being, it's not because women are "wired" to have kids that we don't succeed. It's because there are more people like you telling us our dreams are wrong, that we have an accepted place in society and any deviation from it we get alienated. Men have to take care of a baby too. Sure, they don't get a long leave like women do (but honestly I think they should. Taking care of a baby is hard work and it's unfair that a father doesn't get to spend as much time with his kid and build a strong connection early on), but they're still responsible for the well being of the kid. Oh, and I forgot about all the other mothers judging you for going back to your career and not staying home and taking care of your kid. You'll get **** for that too. I don't think men really judge us here, although I wouldn't know as I haven't had a kid. But yea, all in all the reason women don't go far is because at every point in our life past graduation of high school is because the views in society tell us we shouldn't. But up until high school graduation it's all about women, so much so that I young boys' get treated unfairly and their needs ignored. That **** needs serious reform too. There's a reason there aren't as many male middle school teachers and it's complete bull****. Anyway, society has a lot of bull**** going on. If you want women to succeed, encouraging us past high school and trying to objectively view us as equals when you're in a position to give a promotion will do way more than any scholarship can. I wish I had a solution for more men to be able to teach middle school with out the risk of getting fired over some idiot child who wants to claim sexual assault because you gave him/her a bad grade on a test. I feel that would help young boys have someone to connect to. But, you know, all men must be child rapists and women can't ever be. :rolleyes:
I'm not that articulate so I'm sorry for the ****ty flow of writing. I know this probably didn't change your opinion since it sounds like you have a serious problem with women. But maybe someone reading who thought you were right might change their view, and that's all I can really hope for.
I'm really not sure if you are serious or not. I hope not.I feel like this thread has turned into life advice
yeah, it feels bizarre. Geeks have girlfriends? Hey mate, go to a dating website for that info. I really don't think you should be asking geeks for girlfriend advice, unless your girlfriend is a geek also
no such thing as a TRUE female geek..
The majority of women are incapable of high-level Geekitude..
The reason is, they are hardwired to have children... and that seriously gets in the way of keyboard collecting.... or any other forms of inane devotion to a purposeless cause.Show Image(http://www.emotasia.com/wp-content/uploads/furball-panda-emoticon-6.gif)
I am totally serious.....
Why is it that typically men go much further in the professional field....
Because on average it's the women raising kids and producing them..
Look at it this way in terms of "time costs"...
having children is 1 year of low productivity straight up (morning sickness, emotional swings).
+ recovery time, another year
+ raising the baby, sleepless nights, another 1 to 1.5 years.
+ monitoring and soccer practice for another 18 years before college.. another 5-8 years in total time spent on the kids...
So that 7 to 11 YEARS of time-cost from the female's age starting when she's 25-35.. which happens to be the MOST productive and physically fit time of that female's lifespan..
what is she going to do, come back at 40 and thrive in the workplace? seriously?
Tell me that 7 to 11 years does not impact devotion to a career..
Why do so many women drop out of their career path after taking maternity leave...
Given the complexity and greater focus required of today's professional workforce.. women are ill-suited, because they are the primary population tasked with the biology to procreate and take care of children..
That's not to say they couldn't choose to not have babies, or couldn't be truly exceptional in focus, and possibly do the baby and the job equally well...
HOWEVER, that is the exception..
The majority of women will not be able to do that..
This relates to Geekitude in a similar way... women will not put so much pointless time (like men) into some dumb hobby unrelated to the well-being of their offspring...
They just wouldn't...
There are ones who do... I suppose... but let's not discuss that, because you can't do so without alot of name calling and depressing apologies in term choice.
O.O Holy **** you have no idea what it's like. First of all, the reason you don't see women in advancing in professional fields is because of people like you. Women, for whatever reason, are treated differently. I'm not saying they get paid less (although sometimes they do get lower starting salaries), but that there's an inherent gender bias that going to discourage them. Take the hard sciences as an example, specifically my field, physics. There aren't many women in physics: http://www.aps.org/programs/education/statistics/womenphysics.cfm. Why? Well part of it is that we're never really told it's something we can do. There are tons of women in biology. In fact, I think the field is almost dominated with women at this point, but biology isn't so taboo anymore. You're encouraged to go into biology and pursue med school/become a nurse/whatever you want to do. There are women already there, so you aren't going to get the weird looks or people acting differently around you because you're a different gender. It's much easier to stay in a field where you feel people can related to you.
But physics? The first thing that happened when I said I wanted to go into physics was: why would you want to do that? I got discouraged from the get go. Of course, I'm the type of person who doesn't care what people say, especially if all their life amounted to was being a high school counselor (yes, I was kind of an ass, but to some degree I'm glad I held that view). But other women? If there's someone there saying you can't do this or judging you for why you want to do something, you're going to think it's wrong to do so. Especially so when you're in high school and have no idea how the world really works. So women don't bother applying. My university has something like a 1:9 ratio of people entering physics/physics related (astrophysics is basically a physics degree), and in the upper classes it gets even worse. Why? Because women leave. You'd think the idea of getting easy scholarships would be enticing, but it isn't when you're being treated differently. And it's not just college you're treated differently, it's through the rest of your career: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/2012/09/23/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/. I will always have to try that much harder to get people to respect me because I'm a woman in a minority field. I'm just glad I'm smart enough that I don't struggle with it. I've seen so many women leave because they couldn't quite get it and it just wasn't worth it to them to stay. And most of the women I know are actually in astrophysics. I don't know the stats on it, but from my experience, there's certainly less women is something like condensed matter. I think that's because there are astronomy clubs in high school telling women it's okay to be interested in this stuff.
Everything I've said about physics can be applied to engineering to a less severe extent. The point is, this happens before baby making age. Yea, some women leave their careers, but there are still a lot who stay, and those are the ones who are determined to do so. They are the ones who have the passion, so there shouldn't be any reason these few women don't get far in their career. But as you said, they don't. Some of that is due to the fact that there is this gender bias. There have been tons of studies done that show under all things being equal, a man will more likely get promoted over a woman, even if a woman is the one doing the promotion! Women are really at fault here too. For whatever reason, our entire society likes to judge women harsher than men. And this stuff begins in high school with the way promiscuous women are called sluts and promiscuous men are applauded. Even I was guilty of slut shaming when I was in high school. There was a girl we use to call the cum dumpster. And thinking back, this girl had a serious problem. She needed attention to the point where she was willing to change her self to a great degree. She probably had a ****ty home life. But I never gave her the benefit of the doubt.
Point being, it's not because women are "wired" to have kids that we don't succeed. It's because there are more people like you telling us our dreams are wrong, that we have an accepted place in society and any deviation from it we get alienated. Men have to take care of a baby too. Sure, they don't get a long leave like women do (but honestly I think they should. Taking care of a baby is hard work and it's unfair that a father doesn't get to spend as much time with his kid and build a strong connection early on), but they're still responsible for the well being of the kid. Oh, and I forgot about all the other mothers judging you for going back to your career and not staying home and taking care of your kid. You'll get **** for that too. I don't think men really judge us here, although I wouldn't know as I haven't had a kid. But yea, all in all the reason women don't go far is because at every point in our life past graduation of high school is because the views in society tell us we shouldn't. But up until high school graduation it's all about women, so much so that I young boys' get treated unfairly and their needs ignored. That **** needs serious reform too. There's a reason there aren't as many male middle school teachers and it's complete bull****. Anyway, society has a lot of bull**** going on. If you want women to succeed, encouraging us past high school and trying to objectively view us as equals when you're in a position to give a promotion will do way more than any scholarship can. I wish I had a solution for more men to be able to teach middle school with out the risk of getting fired over some idiot child who wants to claim sexual assault because you gave him/her a bad grade on a test. I feel that would help young boys have someone to connect to. But, you know, all men must be child rapists and women can't ever be. :rolleyes:
I'm not that articulate so I'm sorry for the ****ty flow of writing. I know this probably didn't change your opinion since it sounds like you have a serious problem with women. But maybe someone reading who thought you were right might change their view, and that's all I can really hope for.
are female physicists capable of splitting text into paragraphs?..
All stuff said about confidence, physical attraction etc are all true. Yes, there are also tricks you can use to get girls. Girls are like schools of fish and you need to catch a good one using the perfect bait
I'm not going to quote the massive text blocks above, but I do think women in general think differently. I have never met a female in the information technology field that works in a purely technical role. There is no gender discrimination, it's just that they generally lack the interest in highly technical, highly boring fields. In college I had females in my introductory programming classes, but by the time I got to the advanced level classes they must have all switched majors or something. I don't think anyone is telling them not to do it, otherwise they wouldn't have been in the lower level classes. I think they just decided that it was too boring for them or was too difficult.
In any case, if you feel discriminated against - which I can't really tell if that's the case or if you're just responding appropriately to previous statements, join the club. How many divorced men do you know that have custody of their kids, even when the mother is a complete deadbeat loser? There are some out there, but it is very rare, even if the mother is a drug addict and spends child support payments on expensive handbags, and YOU CAN PROVE IT. I'm not divorced, I just have plenty of friends that are, and hearing their stories would make me think twice about a divorce if I ever get to that point. Imagine paying almost $800 /month for ONE kid that you get to see for three weeks out of the year(mother moved out of state), and the mother lives with her family and pays NOTHING, and feeds the kid a diet of mostly ramen and lunchables, and spends all day on facebook. Where does the money go?... there's no day care or rent involved. Maybe that amount would be appropriate if she used the money on her kid, but she doesn't. That was just a middle of the road example, I've got other friends who are even worse off than that.
The point of the story is that both men and women have to deal with discrimination, it's part of life.
I'm not going to quote the massive text blocks above, but I do think women in general think differently. I have never met a female in the information technology field that works in a purely technical role. There is no gender discrimination, it's just that they generally lack the interest in highly technical, highly boring fields. In college I had females in my introductory programming classes, but by the time I got to the advanced level classes they must have all switched majors or something. I don't think anyone is telling them not to do it, otherwise they wouldn't have been in the lower level classes. I think they just decided that it was too boring for them or was too difficult.
In any case, if you feel discriminated against - which I can't really tell if that's the case or if you're just responding appropriately to previous statements, join the club. How many divorced men do you know that have custody of their kids, even when the mother is a complete deadbeat loser? There are some out there, but it is very rare, even if the mother is a drug addict and spends child support payments on expensive handbags, and YOU CAN PROVE IT. I'm not divorced, I just have plenty of friends that are, and hearing their stories would make me think twice about a divorce if I ever get to that point. Imagine paying almost $800 /month for ONE kid that you get to see for three weeks out of the year(mother moved out of state), and the mother lives with her family and pays NOTHING, and feeds the kid a diet of mostly ramen and lunchables, and spends all day on facebook. Where does the money go?... there's no day care or rent involved. Maybe that amount would be appropriate if she used the money on her kid, but she doesn't. That was just a middle of the road example, I've got other friends who are even worse off than that.
The point of the story is that both men and women have to deal with discrimination, it's part of life.
My god this thread got outta control. How has this not been locked yet? :eek:
3. Always act like your are listening.
3. Always act like your are listening.
hehe, funny...
"something about the murder you commited last week"3. Always act like your are listening.
hehe, funny...
> That moment when she realizes that you were not listening and asks you "Are you even listening? Yes? So, what did I just say?"
Male privilege runs strong in this thread.