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Title: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:19:05: Has anyone tried to make a 60% with a matrix layout? People seem to be really over the moon with the matrix layout regarding the ergodox so i am just wondering if we have tried to implement that layout elsewhere?
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 February 2014, 13:25:07: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48718.0

^^ Like that?
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:33:54: just found this:
(http://acidfire.ca/keyboard/BDY14319.jpg)

i think acidfire made it. pretty awesome although not a perfect matrix layout due to a little bit of vertical staggering.
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: hasu on Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:34:50: humble hacker?
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:51:21: Quote from: hasu on Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:34:50
humble hacker?

hasu! you are right the Humble Hacker has a matrix layout. i totally forgot about that awesome project! it isnt as cool as the ergodox but that board is a great story.
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: daerid on Mon, 03 February 2014, 15:41:38: Quote from: tricheboars on Mon, 03 February 2014, 14:33:54
just found this:
Show Image
(http://acidfire.ca/keyboard/BDY14319.jpg)

i think acidfire made it. pretty awesome although not a perfect matrix layout due to a little bit of vertical staggering.

That's a 70% design based off the ErgoDox I challenged AcidFire to make, I don't think that the board pictured actually works, it was more a proof of concept (but it will be part of his Nexus system, as far as I understand it).
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 03 February 2014, 16:14:27: 2014 is the year of the matrix layout. you heard it right here first folks.
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 03 February 2014, 17:39:16: Matrix layout is bollocks.. Columnar layout, with proper column offset is nice.

One way to get a mechanical with matrix layout and being 60% is to get a programmable POS keyboard of sufficient size that has diodes for NKRO. Access-IS comes to mind.
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: SonOfSonOfSpock on Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:05:00: Is it the columnar aspect of the Ergodox people don't like? I'd think it would be all the other non-alphabet keys moving around that would bother them. A 60% with columnar layout sounds like it'd be the Typematrix but with mechanical switches.
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: yasuo on Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:27:26: no..no,for 60% i prefer symm sgg than matrix :-X
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: kod on Mon, 03 February 2014, 22:31:02: Humble hacker looks like a really nice idea. What ever happened with that - did anyone make pcbs in quantity?
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 04 February 2014, 02:13:49: My preferences:

1. Separated (tentable) vertically staggered columns with angled thumb clusters (like my DIY board and AcidFire's Nexus)
2. Separated (tentable) vertically staggered columns with thumb buttons (like ErgoDox)
3. Combined (flat) vertically staggered columns with thumb buttons (like the picture above)
4. Combined vertically staggered columns / Symmetrical stagger (like this: http://i54.tinypic.com/adyfbs.jpg)
5. Matrix
6. Horizontal stagger (normal QWERTY)

So for me, matrix layout is only one step better than "normal" layout. I do have a problem with the ErgoDox and possibly nexus, though: The pinkie columns need more offset.

That is all..
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 04 February 2014, 10:02:23: What about just using lighter switches for the pinky column?
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:10:34: Quote from: tricheboars on Tue, 04 February 2014, 10:02:23
What about just using lighter switches for the pinky column?

That won't shift it into position under the fingertip, just make it lighter to press. I don't really like "variable weight" boards.
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: tups on Sat, 22 February 2014, 11:59:11: Also the kind of thing I'm looking for (though preferably symmetric or columnar stagger like Oobly says).

Are there really no retail keyboards approximating that description?
Title: Re: 60% with Matrix Layout?
Post by: SonOfSonOfSpock on Sat, 22 February 2014, 14:53:46: Quote from: tups on Sat, 22 February 2014, 11:59:11
Also the kind of thing I'm looking for (though preferably symmetric or columnar stagger like Oobly says).

Are there really no retail keyboards approximating that description?

The TECK https://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php (https://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php) isn't 60% as far as key count, but it's 60% as far as width is concerned.