Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
Are there, or have there been any plans to redesign cherry stabilizers?
Yessssss E profile please!Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
Good question!!
I'd also love to know why some batches of brand new switches have very noticeable friction while others don't. It's not a matter of factory lubrication either. I was under the impression that they come from the same factory, so I'm curious why such variation.
Also, please release some windowed Cherry novelty caps for us in Row E and Row B for us enthusiasts :DShow Image(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy316/tinlong117/IMG_1254_zpsadc375d3.jpg)
Dear cherry. Why aren't you topre.
Love, the topre elite.
But really, can we have different colored clicky switches? And heavier (than green) clicky switches?
Why is Cherry MX Clears so hard to get? I prefer them to Browns now, they're like the beefy version of Browns.
If Greens is somewhat available to Cooler Master, there should be option for Clears.
Why is Cherry MX Clears so hard to get? I prefer them to Browns now, they're like the beefy version of Browns.
If Greens is somewhat available to Cooler Master, there should be option for Clears.
They're readily available at Mechanicalkeyboards.com (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=43).
I meant as in full built keyboards with them in it already. Anyone can get individual switches, getting actual keyboards with them is the hard part.
Were the molds for the switch housings designed and produced before the stem mounts where finalized?
The notches in the housings to allow for the cylindrical stem mount look a lot like modifications done afterwards.
Will there ever be an MX Purple switch? :eek:
where did the pbt scooped f&j keycaps' mod go :mad:That's a question for BSP I think.. Which reminds me..
Cherry says they make some keys in house still, like those above... and if that's not true they probably won't tell us since I have asked about getting those keys many many many times. They also outright refuse to sell keycap separate for some reason. It's really annoying since no other manufacturer seem to have those particular keys in Cherry profile either.Interesting.. That is quite annoying if they do still have the ability to make these keycaps. It's odd that they'd get BSP to produce all the keys except those few keys though.
Also, sell me a G80-2000, thanks!Me too please! ;D
Dear cherry. Why aren't you topre.
Love, the topre elite.
But really, can we have different colored clicky switches? And heavier (than green) clicky switches?
Cherry MX Clicky grey!
Sure, but come on, Cap, when the "Code" keyboard with clears appears, sells out within hours, and is never restocked, there has to be something else going on. Surely WASDkeyboards would have preferred to produce more units to meet demand, especially seeing how used Code boards now fetch 50-100% over original sale price in the aftermarket. But instead, they switch to MX greens?I meant as in full built keyboards with them in it already. Anyone can get individual switches, getting actual keyboards with them is the hard part.
You do know Cherry doesn't decide what switches goes into say a CoolerMaster or a Ducky keyboard right? That's up to the company.
They also outright refuse to sell keycap separate for some reason.Probably not talking about the same here but as far as I understand it, the symbols are applied after the caps are already mounted to the 'boards. Which means they have to take keyboards out of the production line and manually remove the caps to be able to sell them to you. The logistics required here with a company of that size are probably more expensive than somebody just buying a complete 'board.
Sure, but come on, Cap, when the "Code" keyboard with clears appears, sells out within hours, and is never restocked, there has to be something else going on. Surely WASDkeyboards would have preferred to produce more units to meet demand, especially seeing how used Code boards now fetch 50-100% over original sale price in the aftermarket. But instead, they switch to MX greens?I meant as in full built keyboards with them in it already. Anyone can get individual switches, getting actual keyboards with them is the hard part.
You do know Cherry doesn't decide what switches goes into say a CoolerMaster or a Ducky keyboard right? That's up to the company.
Sure, but come on, Cap, when the "Code" keyboard with clears appears, sells out within hours, and is never restocked, there has to be something else going on. Surely WASDkeyboards would have preferred to produce more units to meet demand, especially seeing how used Code boards now fetch 50-100% over original sale price in the aftermarket. But instead, they switch to MX greens?
They also outright refuse to sell keycap separate for some reason.Probably not talking about the same here but as far as I understand it, the symbols are applied after the caps are already mounted to the 'boards. Which means they have to take keyboards out of the production line and manually remove the caps to be able to sell them to you. The logistics required here with a company of that size are probably more expensive than somebody just buying a complete 'board.
Q: What is the favorate switch/overall most commonly used switch used by Cherry workers within their job?
- Would Cherry ever allow the TV show 'How its Made' to do a segment on MX switches?
- Would Cherry ever allow the TV show 'How its Made' to do a segment on MX switches?
^^ yes 1000x :thumb:
- Would Cherry ever allow the TV show 'How its Made' to do a segment on MX switches?
Good question!!
I'd also love to know why some batches of brand new switches have very noticeable friction while others don't. It's not a matter of factory lubrication either. I was under the impression that they come from the same factory, so I'm curious why such variation.
Also, please release some windowed Cherry novelty caps for us in Row E and Row B for us enthusiasts :DShow Image(http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy316/tinlong117/IMG_1254_zpsadc375d3.jpg)
Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
Are there Cherry Hall Effect Switch keyboards? Could we do a special order?
I'm kind of late to the party, here. But here goes nothin':
Will Cherry make a lighter version of the MX Clear? (The Ergo Clear with Red/Blue/Brown springs.)
Holy crap that's a little high :eek:
I'm kind of late to the party, here. But here goes nothin':
Will Cherry make a lighter version of the MX Clear? (The Ergo Clear with Red/Blue/Brown springs.)
They would but the MOQ is 750,000 switches (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ergo_Clear).
I'm kind of late to the party, here. But here goes nothin':
Will Cherry make a lighter version of the MX Clear? (The Ergo Clear with Red/Blue/Brown springs.)
They would but the MOQ is 750,000 switches (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ergo_Clear).
I don't mean as a special order, but as a normal production item. (It could even be given the mythical purple stem!) :thumb:
I don't mean as a special order, but as a normal production item. (It could even be given the mythical purple stem!) :thumb:
That's what my post means. It can be a normal production item but there's an MOQ of 750,000. MOQ doesn't mean it's a special production item. Just that that's the minimum quantity they'd be willing to make.
That's what my post means. It can be a normal production item but there's an MOQ of 750,000. MOQ doesn't mean it's a special production item. Just that that's the minimum quantity they'd be willing to make.
Cherry has stated that they would actually produce Ergo Clears in a slider-colour of choice, provided that they get an order of at least 750,000 switches.
Hopefully Corsair is still checking this thread and asking.
Here's a contentious question, what gives Whites their soft click and why are they sometimes inconsistent? I've seen claims of all kinds, from the plastic that's used, to the size or length of the tactile leg, to lube being present, and so on.
In disassembling and experimenting with the switches I bought for that purpose, I noticed that the base of the switches (all plate mount) appear to be identical; at least for the blues and clears. Is this actually the case?
If so, that means it should be possible to change the switch type without doing any soldering—that is, if the top of the switch can be removed.
Not really a question so much as a hopeful demand. Please gather your top men and have them design a light linear-clicky switch. I don't know how you would do this without the clicking 'leaf' causing some sort of tactility …
Hopefully Corsair is still checking this thread and asking.
Here's a contentious question, what gives Whites their soft click and why are they sometimes inconsistent? I've seen claims of all kinds, from the plastic that's used, to the size or length of the tactile leg, to lube being present, and so on.
Whites are lubed from the factory; if you jostle them around enough the lube can get displaced and dampen the click in some switches more than others.
Hopefully Corsair is still checking this thread and asking.
Here's a contentious question, what gives Whites their soft click and why are they sometimes inconsistent? I've seen claims of all kinds, from the plastic that's used, to the size or length of the tactile leg, to lube being present, and so on.
Whites are lubed from the factory; if you jostle them around enough the lube can get displaced and dampen the click in some switches more than others.
That's what I always thought, but I've seen people with more experience with them have totally different answers, hence why I wanted to hear from Cherry directly.
Hi all,
I got Cherry's responses back and we're preparing them for public access for tomorrow. I got most of your questions here answered and if it works out, I don't mind doing this on a more regular basis (even a live AMA for example just for Cherry).
Not really a question so much as a hopeful demand. Please gather your top men and have them design a light linear-clicky switch. I don't know how you would do this without the clicking 'leaf' causing some sort of tactility …
That's difficult. Where is the energy going to come from to work the clicker? If you want to charge the clicker on the downstroke, and have mid-travel actuation, then at mid travel, the energy requirements of the switch will decrease suddenly, making it tactile. Maybe you could use the return spring to charge the clicker on the upstroke and simply trip it on the downstroke, but that would require an increase of the spring weight. Is what you're asking even possible? The only other thing I can think of is (assuming this is possible) a progressive spring (or spring arrangement) that is stiffer from half-way down, so once the clicker is charged and released, the spring becomes stiffer to cover the drop in force.
Not really a question so much as a hopeful demand. Please gather your top men and have them design a light linear-clicky switch. I don't know how you would do this without the clicking 'leaf' causing some sort of tactility …
That's difficult. Where is the energy going to come from to work the clicker? If you want to charge the clicker on the downstroke, and have mid-travel actuation, then at mid travel, the energy requirements of the switch will decrease suddenly, making it tactile. Maybe you could use the return spring to charge the clicker on the upstroke and simply trip it on the downstroke, but that would require an increase of the spring weight. Is what you're asking even possible? The only other thing I can think of is (assuming this is possible) a progressive spring (or spring arrangement) that is stiffer from half-way down, so once the clicker is charged and released, the spring becomes stiffer to cover the drop in force.
Since there would have to be a sharp increase in force caused by the spring at the point of actuation as you say, designing a progressive spring to meet that would be difficult and expensive. Using two springs would however be quite cheap. Just make one spring a bit shorter than the other, so that the second spring starts to be compressed at the point of actuation?
Edit: A shorter and a longer spring of different lengths, something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tKOHi5O.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XWjeDc1.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9oufN1E.jpg)
Not really a question so much as a hopeful demand. Please gather your top men and have them design a light linear-clicky switch. I don't know how you would do this without the clicking 'leaf' causing some sort of tactility …
That's difficult. Where is the energy going to come from to work the clicker? If you want to charge the clicker on the downstroke, and have mid-travel actuation, then at mid travel, the energy requirements of the switch will decrease suddenly, making it tactile. Maybe you could use the return spring to charge the clicker on the upstroke and simply trip it on the downstroke, but that would require an increase of the spring weight. Is what you're asking even possible? The only other thing I can think of is (assuming this is possible) a progressive spring (or spring arrangement) that is stiffer from half-way down, so once the clicker is charged and released, the spring becomes stiffer to cover the drop in force.
Since there would have to be a sharp increase in force caused by the spring at the point of actuation as you say, designing a progressive spring to meet that would be difficult and expensive. Using two springs would however be quite cheap. Just make one spring a bit shorter than the other, so that the second spring starts to be compressed at the point of actuation?
Edit: A shorter and a longer spring of different lengths, something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tKOHi5O.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XWjeDc1.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9oufN1E.jpg)
OMG
Why has no one ever tried doing this? The amount of customization would be endless!!!
There’s no special lubing on white stem switches.
What is the normal lube used on MX switches?
Sorry, but we can’t give further information here. It’s all CHERRY magic technology know-how!
“night glow” ABS
We have not produced PBT or POM ones yet
Hi all,Thanks again for doing this, really cool reading through all of the questions!
I have made the answers live here on our blog: http://bit.ly/1id6hUR (http://bit.ly/1id6hUR)
I also have it available as a PDF which I attached to the post in case our webpage goes down. Thanks everyone who participated in this. :thumb:
If you guys like this stuff and want to be notified every time we release something related to the RGB project, don't forget we have a newsletter here: www.corsair.com/mx-rgb (The website URL is different now because of our transition to a new site/engine).
As always, feel free to let me know of any questions here directly too.
The doubleshot black G80 keyboards were ABS. The lasered/blank black G80 keyboards were POM.QuoteWe have not produced PBT or POM ones yet
I thought the black G80 keyboards used POM...
QuoteWhat is the normal lube used on MX switches?
Sorry, but we can’t give further information here. It’s all CHERRY magic technology know-how!
:( :( :( :(
------Quote“night glow” ABS
WHAT?!QuoteWe have not produced PBT or POM ones yet
I thought the black G80 keyboards used POM...
The doubleshot black G80 keyboards were ABS. The lasered/blank black G80 keyboards were POM.QuoteWe have not produced PBT or POM ones yet
I thought the black G80 keyboards used POM...
QuoteWhat is the normal lube used on MX switches?
Sorry, but we can’t give further information here. It’s all CHERRY magic technology know-how!
:( :( :( :(
------Quote“night glow” ABS
WHAT?!QuoteWe have not produced PBT or POM ones yet
I thought the black G80 keyboards used POM...
Now I must see the glow in the dark ABS caps.
And the POM caps are lasered, not doubleshot.
Looks like Cherry mainly did marketing speak without good technical answers, so not surprising that they skipped some.They dont wanna give away any trade secrets, gosh... >:D
Looks like Cherry mainly did marketing speak without good technical answers, so not surprising that they skipped some.They answered all three of my questions and I'm happy with their responses. I'm sure their marketing team had some engineers do their homework. ^-^
QuoteWe have not produced PBT or POM ones yet
I thought the black G80 keyboards used POM...
Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
This was one of the best questions, IMHO, and it didn't get answered. Cherry must not want to admit that the material changed because now they're using cheaper plastics :p
Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
This was one of the best questions, IMHO, and it didn't get answered. Cherry must not want to admit that the material changed because now they're using cheaper plastics :p
Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
No, it has been the same proven material every time. The fluctuations are caused by the different tools we‘re using here in the production. But we always optimize our production processes to realize a standardized stem quality.
QuoteCan we get a 3d printer design template to print custom keycaps?
Good idea we will think about this in the future.
QuoteAre MX Whites still being made and do they have special
or extra lubing from the factory?
The whites have been made on special request from business customers. There’s no special lubing on white stem switches.
QuoteDid the Cherry MX Blue Keys change at any point?
No, the design is still based on the first products.
Why is the Fujitsu Siemens KBPC-E so similar to the MX5000 but yet entirely different?
Are there Cherry Hall Effect Switch keyboards?
Users all over the world really like the mechanical tactile feeling of our mx-technology. So we focus on our MX key switch program.
QuoteAre MX Whites still being made and do they have special
or extra lubing from the factory?
The whites have been made on special request from business customers. There’s no special lubing on white stem switches.
We have observed great lumps of lubrication on them. I believe this answer to be false. I am curious what they would say makes them so different if this isn't the case.
What is the normal lube used on MX switches?
Sorry, but we can’t give further information here. It’s all CHERRY magic technology know-how!
QuoteAre MX Whites still being made and do they have special
or extra lubing from the factory?
The whites have been made on special request from business customers. There’s no special lubing on white stem switches.
We have observed great lumps of lubrication on them. I believe this answer to be false. I am curious what they would say makes them so different if this isn't the case.
Well, Cherry only said "no special lubing". Maybe it's just the regular "magic stuff"?QuoteWhat is the normal lube used on MX switches?
Sorry, but we can’t give further information here. It’s all CHERRY magic technology know-how!
Hey Cherry are you making the new switches Razer is advertising?
QuoteDid the Cherry MX Blue Keys change at any point?No, the design is still based on the first products.
and once with “night glow” ABS
Humm, the answers are not really satisfying, too much marketing, dodging and guessing...
Humm, the answers are not really satisfying, too much marketing, dodging and guessing...
Yeah, but that's to be expected. They probably can't reveal certain things for legal reasons. Much better than this interview in terms of actual information revealed by manufacturer:
http://www.keyboardlover.com/carlmatsuinterview.php
6. Do you feel that the Leopold is better designed than the Filco? Why or why not?
"Yes, of course! I cannot tell you. Because I cannot tell the FILCO weak point."
8. Do you believe that the future market for mechanical keyboards will be strong? Why or why not?
"Yes, it will be strong..."
Did the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
This was one of the best questions, IMHO, and it didn't get answered. Cherry must not want to admit that the material changed because now they're using cheaper plastics :pQuoteDid the material in Black stems change over time? If so, are there known dates as to when the material was changed?
No, it has been the same proven material every time. The fluctuations are caused by the different tools we‘re using here in the production. But we always optimize our production processes to realize a standardized stem quality.
^^ seems like an answer to me ;D
Humm, the answers are not really satisfying, too much marketing, dodging and guessing...