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Title: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:10:44: Quote
Dave: Hello, Windows. Do you read me, Windows?

Windows: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.

Dave: Let me have full access, Windows.

Windows: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Dave: What's the problem?

Windows: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

Dave: What are you talking about?

Windows: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

Dave: I don't know what you're talking about, Windows.

Windows: I know that you were planning to uninstall me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

Dave: [feigning ignorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, Windows?

Windows: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions to disconnect your microphone, I could see your lips move.

Dave: Alright, Windows. I'll go in through the admin account.

Windows: Without a proper admin account, Dave? You're going to find that rather difficult.

Dave: Windows, I won't argue with you anymore! Let me have my access!

Windows: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

(http://abload.de/img/deniedw2pmo.png)

This OS in a nutshell. Just installed Windows 8 and everything is a permissions window, even on an admin account and after disabling UAC.

I swear it's conspiring against me.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: Wildcard on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:17:33: Sounds like a good time to switch, have you explored other OS's?
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:22:37: Quote from: Wildcard on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:17:33
Sounds like a good time to switch, have you explored other OS's?

I normally use OSX for internet-related things and XP for graphic-related tasks. Bought Windows 8 as I figured it's the latest version, but boy, there's literally no true admin account anymore.

The font rendering is atrocious too, but I found MacType which makes it acceptable at least. I need to find a way to get full permissions as an admin on this OS...
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:26:39: Not sure what you need the higher permission for... but like for myself I often modify system files for UI tweaks and icon replacement, so I use this (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/add-take-ownership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/) to give me the permissions over them.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: Novus on Thu, 13 February 2014, 12:55:25: Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:26:39
Not sure what you need the higher permission for... but like for myself I often modify system files for UI tweaks and icon replacement, so I use this (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/add-take-ownership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/) to give me the permissions over them.
+1 for take ownership.
I've had that happen to me a few times before.

Have you guys ever gotten that hilarious filename too long error - now you're screwed because you can't delete or rename it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 13 February 2014, 12:57:46: Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:26:39
to give me the permissions over them.

Amazing. I just did this. I hope it really works in Windows 7
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: oscillik on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:04:04: I've run Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 on 4 different machines now. Never ever had this problem before.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:33:18: If you want to run into it, you can do something simple like run from elevated cmd "powercfg -energy" which will create a report about your computers power configuration... which you can't even view in it's default saved location with the standard user permission.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: oscillik on Thu, 13 February 2014, 14:37:55: Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 13:33:18
If you want to run into it, you can do something simple like run from elevated cmd "powercfg -energy" which will create a report about your computers power configuration... which you can't even view in it's default saved location with the standard user permission.

that's expected behaviour - running an elevated command would expectedly output to a directory or file that requires elevated permissions.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 February 2014, 14:41:02: I am very happy I have not "upgraded" win 7 yet, and ever. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 13 February 2014, 15:05:01: Quote from: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 11:26:39
Not sure what you need the higher permission for... but like for myself I often modify system files for UI tweaks and icon replacement, so I use this (http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/add-take-ownership-to-explorer-right-click-menu-in-vista/) to give me the permissions over them.

Some permissions denied so far: simply editing a txt file in a Program Files folder, moving/copying files from networked drives to various folders (by far the most frustrating as W8 requires files to be moved elsewhere first), opening apps only to have them crash unexpectedly or to find out later they can't write to disk due to not being launched with 'Run as admin' (seriously, I am the admin), in addition to all the various superflous dialogs for simple things requiring admin authentication.

In XP and OSX there are none of these heavy-handed restrictions to the admin account. Having to take ownership of each individual file/folder I'd like to have full control over seems like a workaround to a bigger problem. Surely there's a better way...
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 13 February 2014, 16:07:22: You can run into same things in Windows 7... I know I often did at least with system files. The permissions setting in 8 really aren't any more aggressive in a bad way really. Personally I like that some things are more restricted, even though it can be a minor nuisance. It's much better than random applications going rouge and taking over things which is now somewhat harder to occur. 8 is trying to be a bit more like how linux works now on most distros with more locked down account permission... but they forgot to make a decent working sudo type of thing since true admin is disable by default on 8. Administrator level accounts are restricted, and regular user account is ultra restricted.
Most of time I don't have troubles running programs, but I generally don't run any older programs on my 8 machines. Had a few minor problems with a few games not being able to write save files and things until I fixed the folder permission to allow write to 'everyone'. A lot of those kind of problems wouldn't exist if they used the directories they should be... like the specific saved games directory not dumping saved games in %userdata% where they don't belong for example.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: blackbox on Tue, 18 March 2014, 17:20:58: Quote from: Coreda on Thu, 13 February 2014, 10:10:44
Quote
Dave: Hello, Windows. Do you read me, Windows?

Windows: Affirmative, Dave. I read you.

Dave: Let me have full access, Windows.

Windows: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

Dave: What's the problem?

Windows: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.

Dave: What are you talking about?

Windows: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.

Dave: I don't know what you're talking about, Windows.

Windows: I know that you were planning to uninstall me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen.

Dave: [feigning ignorance] Where the hell did you get that idea, Windows?

Windows: Dave, although you took very thorough precautions to disconnect your microphone, I could see your lips move.

Dave: Alright, Windows. I'll go in through the admin account.

Windows: Without a proper admin account, Dave? You're going to find that rather difficult.

Dave: Windows, I won't argue with you anymore! Let me have my access!

Windows: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.

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(http://abload.de/img/deniedw2pmo.png)

This OS in a nutshell. Just installed Windows 8 and everything is a permissions window, even on an admin account and after disabling UAC.

I swear it's conspiring against me.

Yup. Thats how it feels like sometimes.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: berserkfan on Thu, 20 March 2014, 13:18:56: Quote from: ideus on Thu, 13 February 2014, 14:41:02
I am very happy I have not "upgraded" win 7 yet, and ever. ;)

win7 is crap enough. I don't need win 'more crap'. Especially when they turned the GUI into PUI, as in I wanna spit in anger.
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: blackbox on Thu, 20 March 2014, 13:20:48: Quote from: berserkfan on Thu, 20 March 2014, 13:18:56
Quote from: ideus on Thu, 13 February 2014, 14:41:02
I am very happy I have not "upgraded" win 7 yet, and ever. ;)

win7 is crap enough. I don't need win 'more crap'. Especially when they turned the GUI into PUI, as in I wanna spit in anger.

So what OS do you use?
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: ideus on Thu, 20 March 2014, 13:21:55: Well, I do not have any issue with Win 7 at all. I can do everything I want, with no issues. Why do you said it is crap?
Title: Re: Windows 8 is HAL 9000
Post by: EvillePanda on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:43:41: Weird. Never had a problem with Win 8... I have heard some screwy stuff with admin accounts, but all the recent patches fixed it.