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Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 05 March 2009, 15:13:33
When I was in school, they taught us to put two spaces after a sentence, like after this sentence.  However, when I was in college, they tried to get us to just do one space, like after this sentence. They said that two spaces were only needed when people used typewriters, and it is not necessary on computers.  Therefore, we could just put one space.

Personally, one space looks too cramped for me. I still prefer two spaces.

What do you guys do?  What are your thoughts on it?
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 05 March 2009, 15:14:50
Wait, does this forum standardize to one space?  My examples don't really make sense if you can't see the two spaces.

Well, that starts to answer my questions. ;)
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Post by: wellington1869 on Thu, 05 March 2009, 15:14:51
I was taught 2 spaces too, but no one seems to do that anymore these days. I stopped doing it cuz it was too much trouble ;)  Hell, I barely even use capitalization anymore either ;)
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Post by: zwmalone on Thu, 05 March 2009, 15:17:21
I do two spaces in normal writing.  When I'm doing web stuff I mostly do one space because  , gets really annoying after doing it a million times :p
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Post by: Chloe on Thu, 05 March 2009, 15:34:23
I used to double-space on the typewriter because it was hard to read without, but with sans-serif fonts it seems less necessary. I prefer monospaced fonts for writing so I am in the habit of not double-spacing.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: cmr on Thu, 05 March 2009, 16:44:49
two spaces is appropriate for monospaced typefaces. it's easier to see where sentences begin and end.

one space is appropriate for proportional typefaces. using two spaces with a proportional typeface creates distracting holes in the text and does not aid legibility. examine any professionally typeset book -- there is one space at the end of each sentence.

web browsers automatically collapse whitespace. no matter how many spaces you put, you'll only get one in the rendered output.
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Post by: ed_ on Thu, 05 March 2009, 18:38:10
The Chicago Manual of Style says one space, and they are the authority.
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Post by: nerp on Thu, 05 March 2009, 18:43:08
AP stylebook calls for one space. If you wrote for a newspaper or magazine, your editor would put out a hit on you if you submitted a story with two spaces at the end. You can't grasp how evil it is until you're wrestling with column formatted text with and extra spaces that shouldn't be there, especially if they're justified columns.
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Post by: wheel83 on Thu, 05 March 2009, 19:08:32
I use two spaces for MLA/college format papers.  Wastes more room.  And you really get the idea of a pause.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 05 March 2009, 19:30:25
That's good info.  When I was in grad school. No one ever mentioned it. Of course, I studied Sociology, and it might not have been such a big deal there. I'm going to try and get used to one space. It does seem weird to type like that, though.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: skriefal on Thu, 05 March 2009, 19:34:53
I use two spaces.  One space always looks too cramped.
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Post by: ozar on Thu, 05 March 2009, 19:35:31
I was taught to use two spaces as well, but I think most forum software drops it back to one space even when two are entered.
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Post by: wumpyr on Thu, 05 March 2009, 19:46:17
Well, two spaces historically is correct.  My mother was taught that way back when typewriters were "it" and you survived by ensuring your shorthand was up to scratch and translating/typing it up at > 100wpm.  I picked it up from her, and to this day I still correct people/documents.  The publishing arm of the company I work for also mandates two spaces for books.  Newspapers seem to do their own thing, probably more about making use of the space available than anything else...

Bah - yes this forum is displaying only one space when I type two - how dare it!
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Post by: cchan on Thu, 05 March 2009, 22:02:59
I've never been taught that two spaces after a sentence is even remotely right, so I've always single spaced after a sentence. Wheels does raise a valid point though.... maybe I should double space after sentence if I'm writing a research paper just so I don't have to write quite as much.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: FKSSR on Thu, 05 March 2009, 22:11:23
Well, I guess it's two spaces for academic and novel writing and one space for journalistic writing and forum/internet writing. :)
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Post by: bhtooefr on Thu, 05 March 2009, 22:52:27
It's actually not necessarily this forum that's doing it - HTML only displays one space, unless you specifically use non-breaking spaces.
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Post by: lal on Fri, 06 March 2009, 00:00:49
LaTeX anyone? It puts a longer horizontal space after the end of sentences automatically.
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Post by: iMav on Fri, 06 March 2009, 00:54:42
I always type two spaces after a period and one space after a comma.  It's how I learned and will likely never change.
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Post by: pex on Fri, 06 March 2009, 00:56:10
Quote from: bhtooefr;23677
It's actually not necessarily this forum that's doing it - HTML only displays one space, unless you specifically use non-breaking spaces.


I had never learned anything but two spaces after an end of sentence denoted by a period, but HTML basically ruined English for everyone by requiring the   to make that double-spacing occur (maybe back in 2.0 or 3.1 of the standard, anyway.)
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 06 March 2009, 07:18:53
It's always two spaces between sentences.  It's the law.  D*mmit.

:P
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 06 March 2009, 07:19:32
Quote from: iMav;23688
I always type two spaces after a period and one space after a comma.  It's how I learned and will likely never change.


You're my hero.
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Post by: Biggs on Fri, 06 March 2009, 11:32:58
Another vote for two spaces .
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Post by: cmr on Fri, 06 March 2009, 16:28:03
Quote from: wumpyr;23663
Bah - yes this forum is displaying only one space when I type two - how dare it!


again, it's not the forum software, it's the whitespace-collapsing behavior of your browser. one space at the end of sentences has been standard for so long that it wasn't even an issue worth considering when people started to write the first web browsers.
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Post by: DarthShrine on Fri, 06 March 2009, 19:57:00
I've always only used the one, and never thought to do it otherwise.
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Post by: bigpook on Fri, 06 March 2009, 20:03:51
That 2 space rule is news to me. But I am not real typist.
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Post by: tamasrepus on Fri, 06 March 2009, 20:12:45
Something to point out, text completion systems on phones with QWERTY keyboards (such as the iPhone and the G1/Android) replace two spaces with a period and a space. It's an easy way to end sentences. Hopefully we'll start seeing more correct grammar in text messages.
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Post by: ozar on Fri, 06 March 2009, 20:17:07
At About.com they say whether you should use two spaces or just one depends on what you are doing:

http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/typespacing/a/onetwospaces.htm
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Post by: CX23882 on Sat, 07 March 2009, 14:05:24
I was taught one space after comma, two after full stop.  This was about 15 years ago in the UK (using PCs, not typewriters).

I can understand the reasoning behind using one space after a full stop but I don't think I'll ever stop using two.  On the other hand, people who don't use a space after a comma should be forced to donate their partially-unused keyboard to geekhack members as punishment.

Off-topic, I seem to keep hitting double space on my G80-3000 even when I don't want to - such as between words.  I don't know if it's my KVM playing up (I hate USB KVMs) or if I'm tapping the key with my thumb when typing, or worst of all if there is some debounce problem with that switch.  I've never done it on other keyboards.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: pex on Sat, 07 March 2009, 17:51:22
Quote from: iMav;23688
I always type two spaces after a period and one space after a comma.  It's how I learned and will likely never change.


I blame the move toward change on godless collegiate liberals trying to infiltrate our rich cultural history of double-spacing with their single-spacing elitism.  Conservatives unite!
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Post by: cmr on Sun, 08 March 2009, 13:40:30
this seriously isn't even debated except among people who started typing before the days of proportional fonts on word processors, or people whose typing teachers misled them without knowing what the reasoning was for two spaces after a period. the reign of the monospaced-output typewriter was relatively brief in comparison to the long history of proportional typesetting. one space after a period was the standard for centuries, and now we all have times new roman or something similar so the days of two spaces are over.
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Post by: dougy on Wed, 11 March 2009, 14:36:27
Quote from: cmr;23902
this seriously isn't even debated except among people who started typing before the days of proportional fonts on word processors, or people whose typing teachers misled them without knowing what the reasoning was for two spaces after a period. the reign of the monospaced-output typewriter was relatively brief in comparison to the long history of proportional typesetting. one space after a period was the standard for centuries, and now we all have times new roman or something similar so the days of two spaces are over.


Apparently my print shop teacher also misled me. When we set type he always had us set an em-quad after a period ending a sentence. Spaces were used between words, and en-quads were used with other punctuation. i don't remember if he got that out of a text book, but do remember a kid getting totally reamed for using only spaces and not quads....
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: D-EJ915 on Wed, 11 March 2009, 17:36:44
I use two, I think it makes text easier to read...I get lost sometimes reading long stretches of words (if there is no formatting) and the two spaces really helps remember where you were if you get lost.  I think everyone knows what I mean when I mean lose your place reading.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: cmr on Wed, 11 March 2009, 17:43:14
Quote from: dougy;24133
Apparently my print shop teacher also misled me. When we set type he always had us set an em-quad after a period ending a sentence. Spaces were used between words, and en-quads were used with other punctuation. i don't remember if he got that out of a text book, but do remember a kid getting totally reamed for using only spaces and not quads....


and in a print shop you're also doing a lot of other things that affect the flow and spacing of text, like justification, kerning, hair spaces here and there...  most people should leave that stuff to the pros and just follow the rule of thumb.
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Post by: dougy on Wed, 11 March 2009, 20:00:43
Quote from: cmr;24167
and in a print shop you're also doing a lot of other things that affect the flow and spacing of text, like justification, kerning, hair spaces here and there...  most people should leave that stuff to the pros and just follow the rule of thumb.


But where does the rule of thumb come from? Here's a quote from "American Dictionary of Printing and Bookmaking" 1894. I took the liberty of emphasizing the relevant portion.

Quadrat.—The wide and thick space used by compositors where there is a large blank. The lower corner of the lower case is appropriated to quadrats, three kinds being placed together. The em quadrat is the basis of computation for all spaces and quadrats. It is a parallelogram, about three-quarters of an inch high and perfectly square on its four sides. A line is said to be so many ems wide if so many em quadrats will enter it. This name is derived from the letter m, which approximates to an em in thickness, but it does not appear that it ever really was of that size. An em quadrat begins a paragraph in all common matter, separates one sentence from another when the end is indicated by the use of a period, begins the second and succeeding lines in most hanging indentations and is of much use in table work. Daily newspapers permit spacing as wide as this in case of necessity. This quadrat is not used in France at the t-nd of complete sentences, but the period is there followed bv an en quadrat or by the space of the rest of the line. The en quadrat serves instead of the composing space when it is desired to widen the spacing in order to justify a line ; it is used after a colon and a semicolon, and also after an exclamation or interrogation, when these do not make separate sentences ; it indicates in table work the distinction between dollars and cents and frequently does in other places ; on some daily news

Looking at a capital M in Century schoolbook it appears closer to 3 spaces wide. Personally I've always used 2 spaces.
Title: Two or one space after end of sentence?
Post by: megarat on Sun, 15 March 2009, 16:39:59
Quote from: itlnstln;23697
It's always two spaces between sentences.  It's the law.  D*mmit.

:P


I agree one hundred percent.  One space after commas and semicolons, two spaces after periods and colons.  I learned it this way in middle school back in the early '80s, and it makes logical/aesthetic sense as well.  

It would be interesting to see this post as a survey, to get actual numbers.
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Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 16 March 2009, 07:01:34
Quote from: webwit;24579
I wonder if this is an American thing. I never heard or saw this until my first encounters with the New World on Usenet, in my first year of Computer Science. It looked like typos to me, not being used to them. Uhoh, he double hit the space. Only later I learned it was some rule. I never saw a use for it, because a sentence already has two characters to separate it from others, and the period already provides extra white space to the right (in case of fixed width), and it was never a problem. So if you use this, you're training your eyes to be less perceptive for the other form, which is just as effective if you had chosen that way instead ;)


To be honest, I really can't tell if someone is using one or two spaces between sentences.  I learned to type from mym when I was young, and back then, it was the standard practice.  You are right, though, I usually see the period, and that's how I know I have reached the end of a sentence.
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Post by: lowpoly on Tue, 24 March 2009, 08:52:01
One space after a period here.
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Post by: ctrl-a on Thu, 26 March 2009, 04:09:20
Quote from: cmr;23641
two spaces is appropriate for monospaced typefaces. it's easier to see where sentences begin and end.

one space is appropriate for proportional typefaces. using two spaces with a proportional typeface creates distracting holes in the text and does not aid legibility. examine any professionally typeset book -- there is one space at the end of each sentence.

web browsers automatically collapse whitespace. no matter how many spaces you put, you'll only get one in the rendered output.


That's the way I see it too.

Basically if you're working with plain-text you should use 2 spaces, other wise 1. I think word processors & other WYIWYG tools are supposed space sentences correctly for you in the display anyway.
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Post by: ktkr on Thu, 26 March 2009, 12:18:55
Personally, I have never even heard of using two spaces until I read this thread, and I've studied things which involve typing a lot.
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 26 March 2009, 12:23:16
Quote from: ktkr;25586
Personally, I have never even heard of using two spaces until I read this thread, and I've studied things which involve typing a lot.


How old are you?  I would imagine that the two-space thing is more prominent amongst some of our elder members (including myself).
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Post by: ktkr on Thu, 26 March 2009, 12:26:21
Quote from: itlnstln;25587
How old are you?  I would imagine that the two-space thing is more prominent amongst some of our elder members (including myself).

That might be, as I'm turning 22 this year.
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 26 March 2009, 12:45:00
BTW, ktkr, welcome to GeekHack! :)
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Post by: wheel83 on Thu, 26 March 2009, 23:37:49
i'm 25 and every teacher I had up until 12th grade all required 2 spaces after a period.  and these were private schools with very good english teachers.  they made it seem like it was mandatory for MLA format, which is supposedly the way to write college papers.    

I think I will be using two forever.  It's just habit by now, and I think it looks better to be honest.
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 27 March 2009, 06:24:51
To me, it seems to define an abbreviation vs. the end of a sentence.  If you are paying attention to what you read, it shouldn't make a difference.  Nevertheless, I am a two-spacer.
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Post by: FKSSR on Fri, 27 March 2009, 08:42:33
Yeah, I think age has something to do with it.  As I said in my original post, I had never heard of only using one space until I was in college.  So, it seemed obvious to me that the rule was changing (at least for my area or college or whatever - other people elsewhere may have been using one space for longer).
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Mon, 17 January 2011, 21:18:33
Quote from: Slate Wanker
What galls me about two-spacers isn't just their numbers. It's their certainty that they're right.

The nerve!
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Post by: j_r on Mon, 17 January 2011, 22:30:26
A rule of thumb is a rule of thumb.  A good writer can get away with run-ons, but for ease of scanning pages the double-space works nicely.  I must confess - I am a two spacer and even use punctuation in text messages because they ****ing annoy me (but that is just my own idiosyncrasy).  But really, I think diction is more annoying - blatantly ignorant of usage.  But, ****, with any hope in a few hundred years, English will be dead and only language scholars will care.
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Post by: Sam on Mon, 17 January 2011, 22:54:06
I was also taught to always use two spaces after the end of a sentence, to distinguish it from single spaces used within sentences.  Even when using web interfaces that truncate multiple spaces, I still do this out of habit.  I do think it makes a lot of logical sense in that white space is very cheap and wise use of it makes things much more readable.

On a somewhat related note, when coding I always use a ton of white space.  Most coders seem to be into trying to make things very compact.  I think it only makes it more difficult to read.  Of course one can take things too far and make it less readable by using too much white space, but my general feeling is that as time progresses, people use less and less white space while the cost of white space is decreasing.  We should be using more, not less.

Of course most everyone can read something even by leaving out lots of spaces and other characters.  But I feel it's a matter of courtesy and professionalism that you care about the person reading what you write and your desire to have what you write read that drives you to format it in pleasing manner.  This includes not only wise use of white space, but proper punctuation, capitalization, paragraphs, etc.

I know I'm much more likely to ignore something written like a cryptic SMS message than something using correct and properly formatted text without overusing/abusing abbreviations and shortcuts.  But maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
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Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 17 January 2011, 23:33:58
I use 2 spaces always, no wonder my space bars glisten.
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Post by: digitalleftovers on Mon, 17 January 2011, 23:55:01
I was taught 2 spaces at the end, also.  I found this to be a consistent requirement through 4th grade or so, and then my complacent public school educators stopped carring.  The last teacher that I had that inforced it was teacher of the year for my state 2 years in a row.  Clearly, she was right...

I also appreciate the use of white space in coding, for myself and for others.  I especially dislike the way that for-loop parameters, and other compact arithmetic look without white space.
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Post by: piotrek on Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:31:05
Quote from: wheel83;80271
I use two spaces for MLA/college format papers.  Wastes more room.  And you really get the idea of a pause.


I like your style, you know what you're talking about! : D
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 13:35:26
Quote from: digitalleftovers;280201
then my complacent public school educators stopped carring.

Apparently.


Wee speek gooder inglish in Texas.  Governor Perry even said this was going to be the Texas century.


Whatever the hell that means.  Maybe I need to get a Passport for my next trip to Chicago.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:15:54
Quote from: itlnstln;281181
Apparently.


Wee speek gooder inglish in Texas.  Governor Perry even said this was going to be the Texas century.


Whatever the hell that means.  Maybe I need to get a Passport for my next trip to Chicago.

Just using the word 'Texas' in a positive light gets you bonus points with Texans.  I remember when I first moved here I was laughing at all of the commercials on TV because of the excessive use of 'Texas'.  I don't notice it anymore.  But the first one I saw went something like this.

Corn-fed Texas and you're raisin' cattle
Drivin' Ford-star trucks into Ford-star battle
Gotta keep the Texas Ford truck under control
When the work gets done you're on a Ford Texas roll
Gotta get to work, the Lone Star State ain't blue
When you're raised in Texas, ain't no place else'll do
Stay true to Texas, she's true to you
Texas
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:21:26
I noticed the same thing.  Texans LOVE Texas.  When I go visit my GF's family in Chicago, I almost forget that I am in Illinois.  It's amazing how many Texas/Lone Star edition trucks there are here.  In San Antonio, everything is Alamo-something, too.
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Post by: bugfix on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:25:32
I would love to go to Texas one day.
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:29:47
Bro, you aren't missing much (except Austin, maybe).  I would save your money and go to Massachusetts or Hawaii or something.  I would love to go to the northeast and see Vermont and New Hampshire.
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Post by: bugfix on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:33:22
Quote from: itlnstln;281243
Bro, you aren't missing much


72oz steaks!
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:39:05
That's a myth or at least very uncommon.  Mexican food and chicken fried steak is pretty common in Texas.  Depending on the town, you might find some decent German food, but since you're from DE, you're probably not going to be too interested in that.  There are some beautiful areas to visit between Austin and San Antonio in what we call the "Hill Country," but other than a few pockets in Austin (due to the university) and Houston, Texas is a cultural wasteland.

Austin is a blast, though.  It's my favorite place to be in the US.
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Post by: woody on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:45:07
Quote from: itlnstln;281259
Mexican food and chicken fried steak is pretty common in Texas.

Yup, had a good mexican meal in Austin, but the margaritas don't go that well in humid hot.
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Post by: bugfix on Wed, 19 January 2011, 14:49:46
Quote from: itlnstln;281259
There are some beautiful areas to visit between Austin and San Antonio in what we call the "Hill Country,"


That's exactly what I'm looking for. America is a fascinating country for me, but Mass. looks to European for me.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:00:14
Quote from: bugfix;281282
That's exactly what I'm looking for. America is a fascinating country for me, but Mass. looks to European for me.

In Texas you can drive in one direction for an entire day and still be in Texas, and not have seen anything interesting.  People who come to visit the US from Europe are often appalled at how far away everything is, and Texas is the extreme example.  You might enjoy Yosemite or something if you are into nature.  But Austin is definitely an interesting place; everyone loves Austin.

If you want to better appreciate every other drive you ever take in your life, try driving once from Phoenix to Ft. Worth.
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Post by: bugfix on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:02:28
Quote from: RoboKrikit;281293
In Texas you can drive in one direction for an entire day and still be in Texas, and not have seen anything interesting.  People who come to visit the US from Europe are often appalled at how far away everything is, and Texas is the extreme example.


I was already impressed by the size of (and the distances in) California...

Quote
You might enjoy Yosemite or something if you are into nature.  But Austin is definitely an interesting place; everyone loves Austin.


Been there, enjoyed it very much.

Quote from: RoboKrikit;281293

If you want to better appreciate every other drive you ever take in your life, try driving once from Phoenix to Ft. Worth.


Sounds like a great idea!
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:05:46
Quote from: RoboKrikit;281293
If you want to better appreciate every other drive you ever take in your life, try driving once from Phoenix to Ft. Worth.


That's brutal.  I'd probably kill myself.  If possible, I try to fly if it's going to be more than about 3 hours of driving.  I'll drive to DFW, but that's pushing it for me.
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Post by: bugfix on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:06:59
Quote from: itlnstln;281304
That's brutal.  I'd probably kill myself.  If possible, I try to fly if it's going to be more than about 3 hours of driving.  I'll drive to DFW, but that's pushing it for me.


Wait, what's the speed limit in the U.S. again?
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:08:13
Quote from: ripster;281306
Tubing in the river North of Austin with a innertube, a dog, a girl in a bikini,  and a case of beer is Texas Heaven.


That pretty much sums it up.  They just outlawed beer bongs a couple of years ago on the Guadalupe River in New Braunfels (south of Austin).
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Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:13:49
I've heard Austin is cool but never been there. I enjoyed Houston though. Cool city.
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Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:15:29
Dude.  Austin is awesome.  You have to go.  In fact, go during SXSW.  F*cking awesome.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:23:13
Yea def...a lot of good bands play that. Seen vids on YouTube.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Wed, 19 January 2011, 15:57:10
Quote from: bugfix;281307
Wait, what's the speed limit in the U.S. again?


It varies, but ignoring the speed limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maximum_Speed_Law) is a national pastime.
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Post by: quadibloc on Thu, 20 January 2011, 02:10:04
Quote from: cmr;80255
two spaces is appropriate for monospaced typefaces. it's easier to see where sentences begin and end.

one space is appropriate for proportional typefaces. using two spaces with a proportional typeface creates distracting holes in the text and does not aid legibility. examine any professionally typeset book -- there is one space at the end of each sentence.
As this was pointed out early in the thread, I felt no need to weigh in; this is quite correct. Two spaces for typing, one space for typesetting.

And, of course, these days, with our computers that handle proportional spacing as though they were Monotype casters, typing has become typesetting.
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Post by: piotrek on Thu, 20 January 2011, 12:38:27
Speedlimit? Is that how fast my car can go at maximum? I don't understand, never heard of something like that.
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Post by: phillip on Thu, 20 January 2011, 13:11:08
Quote from: RoboKrikit;281293
In Texas you can drive in one direction for an entire day and still be in Texas, and not have seen anything interesting.  People who come to visit the US from Europe are often appalled at how far away everything is, and Texas is the extreme example.  You might enjoy Yosemite or something if you are into nature.  But Austin is definitely an interesting place; everyone loves Austin.

If you want to better appreciate every other drive you ever take in your life, try driving once from Phoenix to Ft. Worth.


I've driven from fort worth to phoenix (flew back).  It sucked.

And yeah, everything is damned far here.  I drove down to pflugerville this past new years, and that took like 3 hours...made it back in exactly 2h30m :)  Would have been a bit faster if not for a few *******s who can't drive.
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Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:04:46
Quote from: ripster;281773
I found Texas full of amazing art.
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Who wears short shorts!
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:07:05
Ripster, was that pic from the brewery in San Antonio?  It's now a bunch of condos downtown along with the old Pearl brewery.
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Post by: quadibloc on Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:30:48
Quote from: piotrek;281764
Speedlimit? Is that how fast my car can go at maximum? I don't understand, never heard of something like that.
What, you never drive anywhere but on the Autobahn?
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 20 January 2011, 14:35:58
Quote from: ripster;281812
Yep, old pic.

When I was there Texas had Character, not Condos.

Betcha this town is still around.
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Yeah, and so is the town of Welfare.  I'm surprised the Teabaggers haven't wiped it off the map; bunch of Commies.  I'm founding a town called Deussendropp.
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Post by: woody on Thu, 20 January 2011, 16:19:48
Quote from: piotrek;281764
Speedlimit? Is that how fast my car can go at maximum? I don't understand, never heard of something like that.

Speed limit is where you grow older slower than others, but you don't actually feel it. Complicated ****, I tell you.

I have tried at about 260km/h, but still have silver patches on my facial hair. Damn theory and lost time in school. The real problem though, is that at this speed the driver's window begins to bend outwards a bit due to frameless design, and it results in a lot of noise.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Thu, 20 January 2011, 17:17:28
Proper driving speed is where all the idiots are driving slower than you, and all the crazy a-holes are moving faster.