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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: brialona on Fri, 14 February 2014, 21:43:18
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
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EVERYTHING.
this question gets asked every damn month.
top 3 answers:
1) because they can
2) because they want to
3) because they have the money
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4) King Saver
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EVERYTHING.
this question gets asked every damn month.
top 3 answers:
1) because they can
2) because they want to
3) because they have the money
so basically what you are saying is, they buy it for the prestige?
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Why do people buy $700 chairs?
Why do people buy $80,000 cars?
Why do people buy $30 pens?
Why do people buy $[(average price for cheap substitute item)x(3)] [items]?
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so basically what im saying is exactly what i said in my first reply.
you already have your mind set on 300 dollar mx boards, nothing anybody says will justify their prices in your mind. so why even ask? better yet, if you really want to know search one of the many threads that come up asking the same ol' tired question.
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wow ok got a lot of fanboy answers. theres a reason why people buy expensive things. i just want to know what custom keyboards have that normal keyboards dont
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i dont think you understand what a fanboy is.
of the 4 people that have answered you, one has a custom MX board. we're all just tired of the condescending question (whether you mean it to be that way or not)
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Metal cases change the feel of a keyboard. Custom keyboards give you layout choices you wouldn't have otherwise. They are pretty looking.
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I don't get it either. Why? Do they type better?
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Metal cases change the feel of a keyboard. Custom keyboards give you layout choices you wouldn't have otherwise. They are pretty looking.
that is all i wanted to know. do they feel different than other mx boards
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I have ergo clears in a QFR and in a FaceW Sprit PCB sitting in a solid Hammer case, and the latter is a whole new world.
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i dont think you understand what a fanboy is.
of the 4 people that have answered you, one has a custom MX board. we're all just tired of the condescending question (whether you mean it to be that way or not)
Heh.
i just want to know what custom keyboards have that normal keyboards dont
They're custom. You can pick your layout, pick everything about it as you build it up. They're frequently aluminum, which feels much sturdier than plastic, and some are weighted down by brass or steel which only adds to their sturdiness. To get an equivalent keyboard from a factory would be impossible. You could mod your QFR to an aluminum case for $150 + cost of QFR, but then you're still not saving much money. Plus, you don't have a custom layout.
Does anyone need a custom? Probably not. But if you want to spend your money on the best keyboard out there you might end up deciding that they're the best option for you.
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WHY? CUZ 'mURRRICA!!!
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I have ergo clears in a QFR and in a FaceW Sprit PCB sitting in a solid Hammer case, and the latter is a whole new world.
does it justify the price?
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Oh god. Prepare for this thread for this thread to be locked due to the pointless argument..
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Oh god. Prepare for this thread for this thread to be locked due to the pointless argument..
did you ever get your hhkb? i remember you saying it was in the mail or something
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I have ergo clears in a QFR and in a FaceW Sprit PCB sitting in a solid Hammer case, and the latter is a whole new world.
does it justify the price?
It depends on who's buying..
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I have ergo clears in a QFR and in a FaceW Sprit PCB sitting in a solid Hammer case, and the latter is a whole new world.
does it justify the price?
The answer to this question is so relative as to make the question worthless. I obviously think it justifies the price because I'm talking about how awesome it is. Of course, I could just be rationalizing my idiotic and expensive purchase. Who knows?
Demik is right, you're not going to get anything valuable from this thread. Gotta make up your own mind :thumb:
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Oh god. Prepare for this thread for this thread to be locked due to the pointless argument..
did you ever get your hhkb? i remember you saying it was in the mail or something
Never said it was in the mail. I thought I was getting some money and it never fell through. Refer to my latest post in the 'HHKB pro 2 Love' Thread.
"Soon(™) It's not just me being silly and not buying it. It's mostly money constraints as I'm a 14 year old with little money. Getting a job here soon so I'm going to have some extra cash to throw at my screen to get one. And Contrary to popular belief I don't have tons of novelty caps and keysets just laying around; I only bought a steel BroBot because I just love it and It was impulse."
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I'd say its primarily with the design and build quality of the more expensive keyboards.
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If you can miss the dollars, and this custom keyboard makes you happy, why not?
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Oh god. Prepare for this thread for this thread to be locked due to the pointless argument..
did you ever get your hhkb? i remember you saying it was in the mail or something
Never said it was in the mail. I thought I was getting some money and it never fell through. Refer to my latest post in the 'HHKB pro 2 Love' Thread.
"Soon(™) It's not just me being silly and not buying it. It's mostly money constraints as I'm a 14 year old with little money. Getting a job here soon so I'm going to have some extra cash to throw at my screen to get one. And Contrary to popular belief I don't have tons of novelty caps and keysets just laying around; I only bought a steel BroBot because I just love it and It was impulse."
hence the "or something"
anyway, i hope you get it soon. i know you've been looking forward to it.
if you are REALLY going to get it, i'll put 25 bucks towards your hhkb fund next week.
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Nice gesture, demik!
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have to influence them towards the hhkb side while they're young
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
People want certain things, and are willing to pay a premium for those things. I have a friend who has a purse by Coach that she loves, and she spent as much on that purse as I would spend on a nice keyboard. If I saw the perfect keyboard and I could afford it, I would whip out my credit card. Whether or not the average person would agree is beside the point.
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I don't get it either. Why? Do they type better?
Of all the replies here, yours surprises me the most ;)
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They are mx, not even topre.
I want to focus on this aspect of the post.
specific price inquiries aside, is there any reason why topre justifies the price. I could ask the exact question of any topre fan: here's an example:
"Why would anyone spend $200 on a topre. Not even mx. Does the $150+ difference justify the quality of the japanese keyboards keyboards opposed to a qfr or ducky? I would really like to know what topre keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not."
Now, other than a direct reference to the first post: I would like to make a bold claim. The answer to both questions is the same.
For some people it's the feeling: you cant deny a metal case doesn't change the feel or sound.
For some people it's the prestige: owning nice things makes you feel special
For some people it's the design: they enjoy the aesthetics, or appreciate good machining. Myself, I enjoy good engineering wherever it may be found.
For some people it's less well defined than that. But the choice to go down the custom KB route vs. the topre routs is rooted in the same reasons, similar to the ssame reasons we first entered the hobby in the first place. This is just the logical extension.
Finally, I resent the "korean customs" thing. I typed this post on a skeldon, a keyboard designed by an awesome GH'er (in europe, I think), PCB printed in China, and case machined with pride in the USA. Not all custom keyboards have to be korean. This keyboard stands defiant of that fact for all the world, and was well worth the cost for that reason alone.
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
Well first off they're custom, as you said. Meaning that if you design the PCB, you get to make it any layout you want with any programmability you want.
Second thing is that you can get prettier colors, which still goes under the custom category but is still a bonus versus ie back case qfr with thin WoB abs.
Third thing is what really makes the price go up. Higher quality parts. Metal cases feel, sound and look better. Metal plates are stronger. Custom springs offer better feels. Better lube makes everything smoother. Thick caps sound and feel better.
So all in all, I'd say you'd get what you pay for. If you're willing to dish out more money, you'll get a better experience. If you're not that picky, then stick with a QFR.
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what Korean keyboard are you talking about. Have you got a link?
I have been away from Geekhack for two years, I have no idea so many new boards are now available.
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I have ergo clears in a QFR and in a FaceW Sprit PCB sitting in a solid Hammer case, and the latter is a whole new world.
does it justify the price?
OK, let me say my piece.
I do NOT use $300 or even $200 keyboards.
Mine are $180 max, shipping and teensy included. Including other things like wires and paint and dye and relegendable keycaps, the cost is still under 200.
I never buy any custom made Korean keyboards.
And I still feel that a custom layout is essential. I have an M122 and an F XT, and they have been modded to suit me. I am very happy with my layout. I do everything I want with them and the feeling is solid and reliable and makes me happy.
Do you need a $300, $500 or $800 keyboard? I strongly doubt it.
But if you are a desk geek who spends all day at a desk, you need a good keyboard, no doubt about it. An off the shelf $5 Taiwanese rubberdome is not your ideal working companion.
Buy, borrow, try. You may find yourself satisfied with a $55 shipped CoolerMaster QFR. That's you. The vast majority of geekhackers find themselves migrating upwards. Some stop at $120 Filcos. Some stop at $140 Model F ATs. Some go all the way to custom plates, custom LEDs, custom whatevers at $7-800.
I totally disagree with the folks who spend hundreds on clacks and other trivial accessories. But I still think you need to spend at least Some money to get Some quality and to have a desktop that you can feel good about.
As for quality, it is hard to explain. But a good quality car feels different from a poor quality car. Same goes for keyboards. So don't ask anymore. Go get yourself one and see. CoolerMaster may be the cheapest out there, but if you will give up a $55 CM for a $5 Rubber Dome, I'll be damned.
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
I can’t answer for anyone else, and I have no interest in or experience with custom Korean keyboards, but personally, I plan to make my own custom keyboard, which has so far involved:
* Buying about $300 of old used keyboards from ebay to test various switches and figure out which kind I like. I expect I can make back $200-400 selling these back, either the way I got them but cleaned, or in various recombinations [one type of switch in another case, or just as separate switches/keycaps, etc.]. So this is hardly a huge monetary loss, though it is a temporary investment. (Well, plus ~$250 on an Ergodox + caps, which I’ll also probably sell.)
* Hopefully soon paying for a TechShop membership and several courses on how to use equipment for cutting/machining whatever material I’ll make the case/plate out of, currently it looks like this will be wood, but I need to do some more work and research.
* Buying equipment for doing electronics work, and learning enough about basic electronics to wire some stuff together. I plan to put this to use on projects beyond just making keyboards, afterwards.
* Buying the materials to make the new keyboard, such as wood/metal, electronic components, etc.
* A few hundred hours doing research, building prototypes, playing with switch modifications, talking to people about ideas, etc., and then a bunch more time to actually physically make the final product. I might screw it up a few times along the way, so factor that in.
* A bunch of time spent learning enough about writing low-level C code to make custom keyboard firmware [this is still mostly in the future; so far I’ve stuck to modifying existing code]. This will probably end up totaling at least a hundred hours more before it works satisfactorily, or perhaps several times as long.
So is any of this worth it? Well, for one thing, most of it is a learning experience, and learning little bits about electronics, mechanical design of keyswitches, anatomy of the hand, keyboard firmware design, etc. is practice that can later be applied to other projects and topics. Not to mention, the learning is, in and of itself, intellectually gratifying.
But really, the reason I think it’s worth it is that as a writer, photographer, computer programmer, cartographer, user interface designer, etc., some type of computer (whether that’s a tablet or a PC or whatever) is one of the most important tools used in all of my work, on a daily basis. And a keyboard is the primary input device with which I interact with computers.
Having control over the physical properties of the input device is a huge advantage in flexibility and efficiency; it’s possible to adapt the computer to my own needs, instead of relying on someone else’s design which may or may not be relevant for my tasks. Not only that, but a custom layout and nice keyswitches makes typing faster, more pleasant, and less stressful on the body. Having a nice workstation with a big high-resolution display and nice input devices makes it easier to sit down and work, instead of getting distracted by books or online news articles.
You might ask why a photographer buys nice camera equipment, a tennis player buys a nice racket, or a lawyer buys a nice suit.
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
why? because.... and I'll try to speak in my name:
- hefty weight, all keyboard made out of aluminum block
- work hard and I earn money and don't waste them on drugs, gambling, or whatever is trendy crap out there this days
- because its fun to build them your self
BTW when I was done with mine, keycaps+switches+leds+board etc etc etc costed me around $700, you think this is crazy? spending $700 for something that can be bought on ebay for $5, not same but will do the same task then yes its crazy. How about spending $400 on a single keycap? how come you haven't ask why in the world would someone spend $400 on a single plastic keycap? Oh that's Click Clack, it has a value right?
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- work hard and I earn money and don't waste them on drugs, gambling, or whatever is trendy crap out there this days
Facepalm
A gambler who gambles $700 on roulette has way more expected return then your $700 "investment" on a keyboard.
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there is an answer the auto forums generally answer this kind of questions.
Because Keyboards
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hence the "or something"
anyway, i hope you get it soon. i know you've been looking forward to it.
if you are REALLY going to get it, i'll put 25 bucks towards your hhkb fund next week.
If you do get your HHKB next week I'll send you some topre caps free of charge. Air tree you are taking a lot of abuse like a champ
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hence the "or something"
anyway, i hope you get it soon. i know you've been looking forward to it.
if you are REALLY going to get it, i'll put 25 bucks towards your hhkb fund next week.
If you do get your HHKB next week I'll send you some topre caps free of charge. Air tree you are taking a lot of abuse like a champ
This is going to be a monumental moment once I get this HHKB in the mail finally.
I'll bite. :-*
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
It's their money, they can cause they want to? that so hard lol?
You can't expect everyone to be like you.
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They're custom.
That's why. It's really that simple.
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I feel for a lot of people it is because they can justify the cost to themself. Do they need to justify it to others? Chances are no aside from possibly other people on the same bank account. The way I look at it especially for people who earn a pay check with via keyboard. It is a small investment (in the grand scheme of things) to making their job eaiser, more comfortable, more efficient, or just plain more enjoyable.
Like me with my job. I work as a Millwright (essentially a better trained maintenance mechanic). So my tools (yes they are my personal tools) are my paycheck. So I make it a point to buy only quality US made tools. I am not saying there is anything wrong with tools with other countries of origin but I haven't found any foreign made tools (aside from some German or Swiss precision tools) that I like. Granted I might spend 5 to 10 times the price for my US made tools but I only have to buy them once for life, barring theft, because they all come with a lifetime warranty. When a company will stand behind that kind of a warranty and not even ask how it broke. They just walk over to the rack and hand you a new tool, that in my mind is a good tool. Of these that I have had to do it with, it is because they were being abused by someone else.
One example I can give on the build quality was my 1/2" drive Armstrong 15" handle ratchet. I had to break some allen head bolts loose that had been torqued down with a 3/4" pneumatic Ingersoll-Rand impact gun. There wasn't enough room for a linear extension (cheater pipe) so I had to use a 6' pry bar with the end of the ratchet handle about 3" away from the fulcrum the pry bar was working against. That is a metric **** ton of leverage on a 1/2" drive ratchet from any company. But you know what, it is still going strong today. I have seen guys using lesser quality ratchets with an 8" handle and strip have the teeth off the drive with just their arm. Well when you don't have that tool on you and you can't do the job anymore how much did that $20 savings really save you when it just cost you 2 hours of your check to go get a new ratchet that you had to pay for because it didn't have a lifetime warranty.
Same thing goes for keyboards and anyone who uses them as their primary tool for earning a paycheck. However, in this field it comes down to more ergonomics and comfort than actual strength.
As for the gamers that don't earn a paycheck with a keyboard. I can't speak for them aside from they must still be able to justify in their head.
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This question is just like someone that is using a $5 rubber dome keyboard ask you why are you using a $100 keyboard
The answer is really simple, because we are at geekhack
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I feel for a lot of people it is because they can justify the cost to themself. Do they need to justify it to others? Chances are no aside from possibly other people on the same bank account. The way I look at it especially for people who earn a pay check with via keyboard. It is a small investment (in the grand scheme of things) to making their job eaiser, more comfortable, more efficient, or just plain more enjoyable.
Like me with my job. I work as a Millwright (essentially a better trained maintenance mechanic). So my tools (yes they are my personal tools) are my paycheck. So I make it a point to buy only quality US made tools. I am not saying there is anything wrong with tools with other countries of origin but I haven't found any foreign made tools (aside from some German or Swiss precision tools) that I like. Granted I might spend 5 to 10 times the price for my US made tools but I only have to buy them once for life, barring theft, because they all come with a lifetime warranty. When a company will stand behind that kind of a warranty and not even ask how it broke. They just walk over to the rack and hand you a new tool, that in my mind is a good tool. Of these that I have had to do it with, it is because they were being abused by someone else.
One example I can give on the build quality was my 1/2" drive Armstrong 15" handle ratchet. I had to break some allen head bolts loose that had been torqued down with a 3/4" pneumatic Ingersoll-Rand impact gun. There wasn't enough room for a linear extension (cheater pipe) so I had to use a 6' pry bar with the end of the ratchet handle about 3" away from the fulcrum the pry bar was working against. That is a metric **** ton of leverage on a 1/2" drive ratchet from any company. But you know what, it is still going strong today. I have seen guys using lesser quality ratchets with an 8" handle and strip have the teeth off the drive with just their arm. Well when you don't have that tool on you and you can't do the job anymore how much did that $20 savings really save you when it just cost you 2 hours of your check to go get a new ratchet that you had to pay for because it didn't have a lifetime warranty.
Same thing goes for keyboards and anyone who uses them as their primary tool for earning a paycheck. However, in this field it comes down to more ergonomics and comfort than actual strength.
As for the gamers that don't earn a paycheck with a keyboard. I can't speak for them aside from they must still be able to justify in their head.
If you use a keyboard to earn a paycheck, it's a tax-deductible expense. Also, if you have a work-related injury that requires a special keyboard, the cost is also tax deductible (but you need a doctor's note.) I never see anybody mention this. Same as your Snap-On Tools, tax deductible if you use them for work.
As for gamers, if they can get +1 kill per death ratio with an expensive keyboard, then it's well worth it to them. Anything that can give them an advantage (or perceived advantage) is worth the money to a gamer.
Which leads to my point: when it comes to a hobby that people are passionate about, you have to throw cost/benefit rationality out the window in order to understand why they buy what they do. Some of those Korean Kustoms cost over $1,000 (USD). Is that crazy? It all depends. First if you are rich, then $1,000 doesn't matter, but we all know that. So let's exclude the filthy rich from this discussion. So we are talking about people with some extra disposable income, but it's limited. By spending money on an expensive keyboard they are giving up something else. Maybe it's a vacation not taken, or maybe it's buying a less expensive car, I dunno, but there is some tradeoff. So now you ask why?
Well the answer is obvious to me: because it makes them happy. Most people in this world are miserable f*cks who never have a moment of fun. But we GH'er's (and deskthority people, and OTD people, and even Reddit people) have a hobby that we love. We are lucky in this regard, because we can trade a few grubby dollars for happiness. True hedonic enjoyment of life. The French call it "joie de vivre". If I wasn't so tired right now I would quote some great thinker like Epicurus or Cicero, or better yet Ovid, or better still Winston Churchill. But I can't think of anything right now. So I will paraphrase another great thinker, demik, and say "you just don't get it."
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So we are talking about people with some extra disposable income, but it's limited.
All resources are limited. Even the amount of money "filth rich" have is limited.
By spending money on an expensive keyboard they are giving up something else. Maybe it's a vacation not taken, or maybe it's buying a less expensive car, I dunno, but there is some tradeoff.
The word you're looking for is "opportunity cost".
Most people in this world are miserable f*cks who never have a moment of fun. But we GH'er's (and deskthority people, and OTD people, and even Reddit people) have a hobby that we love. We are lucky in this regard, because we can trade a few grubby dollars for happiness.
Conspicuous consumption does not make you happy. Especially on something like computer hardware, that depreciate the most.
Most rich people spend to get laid, most geeks spend to compare bench marks and keyboard.
Who is the happier one?
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In before OP finds out people buy $200... key caps lol
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In before OP finds out people buy $200... key caps lol
You mean cap. Singular.
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In before OP finds out people buy $200... key caps lol
You mean cap. Singular.
Yeah of course, what are we, hobos ?
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I think most of us are on a quest to find the perfect switch. With cherry mx switches there are a huge number of variations when you multiply the 3 stem types (linear, tactile, clicky) by the spring weight variations (45g,50,55,62,65,67,80) and you add in whether to lube them or not. Then there are the two types of buckling springs (model m, model f), alps switches, and topre (uniform or variable, 45g or 55g). Then you factor in the different layouts (60%, 75%, TKL, full size). Then there are customs like the ergo dox, phantom and GH60. Once you find a switch and layout that you temporarily like the best then you have to have a nice aluminum case for it.
Spending a lot on a keyboard to me makes a little bit of sense to me because it and the mouse are the only parts of your computer you touch every day. Eventually I hope to narrow my collection down to 3 or 4 of my favorite boards.
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- work hard and I earn money and don't waste them on drugs, gambling, or whatever is trendy crap out there this days
Facepalm
A gambler who gambles $700 on roulette has way more expected return then your $700 "investment" on a keyboard.
my brother had troubled life as teenager because he was hooked on all sorts of gambling. There is no such thing as smart gambler they all end up losing at the end cause you cant win over the house. I'm glad he quit that addiction of his, but it costed my family 10K + some gold he stole, that's 10K 20 years a go which value was much more then what todays cost.
Not everything that I buy has to make me money at the end, 4-5 years a go I would of spend 100-200 bucks on a night out, but then I had friends that would spend triple more than me and they earned less to afford that type of behavior...
So to summon up my opinion at the end, its your money do whatever you want with them, if you don't spend them in this life, then either the government or your family will when your gone.
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Does eating out at a restaurant bring some return on the investment? What about concert tickets or tickets to a sports game? What about jewelry? I don't think we get keyboards as investments. They are a hobby for fun. The return on investment is fun.
And the note about rich people? Please, what a skewed, unhappy way to look at life.
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Why do people buy $300 shoes?
This is an intimate, personal item that you use and are in physical contact with for many hours every day.
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I admire the effort you guys put into replying into this kind of either troll or dumb question..
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Does eating out at a restaurant bring some return on the investment? What about concert tickets or tickets to a sports game? What about jewelry? I don't think we get keyboards as investments. They are a hobby for fun. The return on investment is fun.
And the note about rich people? Please, what a skewed, unhappy way to look at life.
Agree, it comes down to the point what money means to one person. Some people just love stacking them in the bank cause it gives some sort of stability, it takes one day for the economy to crash and your precious value that you have stashed to drop to 90% below of whats use to worth.
I don't stress over money, I had high school friend from my country visiting some family in the US, had some trouble with them and he left their house and had few more months on his travelling visa left. He was plain broke, not even money for cigs, I took care of him for those 2 months and gave him some money when he went home. There I was around $1000+ shorter when he left, I don't regret a dime I have spent, that was 3 years a go and I have never mentioned to him that he owes anything to me, I don't care is just money.
If money defines you for what you are, then your one poor poor individual and I'm not speaking financial wise, don't be uptight live up a little but also don't bring yourself to a beggars point.
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I admire the effort you guys put into replying into this kind of either troll or dumb question..
nah. they actually realize it's a troll.
pay close attention to what they're actually saying.
notice that it's oddly similar to a conversation that you have in normal life? it's just the standard 'what did you like about that movie?' conversation where everyone states their interpretation of the same thing. whether or not the op or another poster is trolling, everyone else is just enjoying everyone elses' company.
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
why? because.... and I'll try to speak in my name:
- hefty weight, all keyboard made out of aluminum block
- work hard and I earn money and don't waste them on drugs, gambling, or whatever is trendy crap out there this days
- because its fun to build them your self
BTW when I was done with mine, keycaps+switches+leds+board etc etc etc costed me around $700, you think this is crazy? spending $700 for something that can be bought on ebay for $5, not same but will do the same task then yes its crazy. How about spending $400 on a single keycap? how come you haven't ask why in the world would someone spend $400 on a single plastic keycap? Oh that's Click Clack, it has a value right?
That keyboard is so sweet. Did it really cost you 700??
What costs you the most on that build?
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Classic 10/10 thread.
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For me, it's simple. I spend 10+ hours/day on the computer between school/work/gaming, and I'd much rather be comfortable while doing so. If I find something that I like, I'm going to pay whatever I deem the product is worth to get it, and then I'll usually use it until it's life is over, or until I've put enough time into it to turn it over for a profit. Same goes for keyboards. I'm going to keep it until it's dead, or until somebody wants to give me more money than I paid for it.
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They are mx, not even topre. Does the $200+ difference justify the quality of the korean custom keyboards opposed to a qfr or filco? I would really like to know what custom keyboards offer that a standard mechanical keyboard does not.
why? because.... and I'll try to speak in my name:
- hefty weight, all keyboard made out of aluminum block
- work hard and I earn money and don't waste them on drugs, gambling, or whatever is trendy crap out there this days
- because its fun to build them your self
BTW when I was done with mine, keycaps+switches+leds+board etc etc etc costed me around $700, you think this is crazy? spending $700 for something that can be bought on ebay for $5, not same but will do the same task then yes its crazy. How about spending $400 on a single keycap? how come you haven't ask why in the world would someone spend $400 on a single plastic keycap? Oh that's Click Clack, it has a value right?
That keyboard is so sweet. Did it really cost you 700??
What costs you the most on that build?
The kit itself was like $560 if I'm remembering correctly (you can check the redline subforum if that thread is still up). Add in caps, switches, LED work, cable, etc and it gets up there pretty fast.
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Here we go again...
There are three kinds of $300+ keyboards:
- Ergonomic keyboards. They cost that much, because it's a niche market. If spending $2k on a datahand saves your carrier, it's probably worth it.
- Rare collector items. That's obvious. Collectors are just... collectors.
- Custom keyboards. I don't get why people get them. It's probably the same reason why they buy clacks for insane amounts of money. I suspect the reasons behind it are similar to buying supersport cars... or hummers.
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It's probably the same reason why they buy clacks for insane amounts of money. I suspect the reasons behind it are similar to buying supersport cars... or hummers.
I will never understand why people have to assume others are spending their money to impress everyone. Just because someone has a passion(for sprots cars, clothes, keyboards, etc), and the money to pursue it doesn't mean that they are doing it for anyone but themselves.
It just sounds like pure jealously to me, if you can't understand it, then why make ignorant assumptions?
Sure, there ARE people out there who are going to try to show off and impress anyone they can, but how does that make you any better by going out of your way to insult them?
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It's probably the same reason why they buy clacks for insane amounts of money. I suspect the reasons behind it are similar to buying supersport cars... or hummers.
I will never understand why people have to assume others are spending their money to impress everyone. Just because someone has a passion(for sprots cars, clothes, keyboards, etc), and the money to pursue it doesn't mean that they are doing it for anyone but themselves.
It just sounds like pure jealously to me, if you can't understand it, then why make ignorant assumptions?
Sure, there ARE people out there who are going to try to show off and impress anyone they can, but how does that make you any better by going out of your way to insult them?
This entire thread is troll-bait, HPE. Don't get involved ;)
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It's probably the same reason why they buy clacks for insane amounts of money. I suspect the reasons behind it are similar to buying supersport cars... or hummers.
I will never understand why people have to assume others are spending their money to impress everyone. Just because someone has a passion(for sprots cars, clothes, keyboards, etc), and the money to pursue it doesn't mean that they are doing it for anyone but themselves.
It just sounds like pure jealously to me, if you can't understand it, then why make ignorant assumptions?
Sure, there ARE people out there who are going to try to show off and impress anyone they can, but how does that make you any better by going out of your way to insult them?
This entire thread is troll-bait, HPE. Don't get involved ;)
I am not going to respond anymore :p
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Well mine were kindof accidental and I never counted it up until recently!
Happened like this, I got a Poker for ~$100 the day they came out because I was living in China at the time. Later, wanted to change the keycaps on it. Bought two cool 'skull' caps from EK by some CC guy for $15 and $25 each, boy I thought I was POURING money down the drain by buying those (later sold the tri-color to a member for $40...felt guilty for ripping him off; he sold it for $250 a couple of weeks ago, talk about ROI!). Then there was a group buy for some keycaps...maybe the largest one in history. People kept adding caps and adding and I kept seeing more and more that I wanted. BAM! $250 in keycaps. Then I wanted a metal base because I like the way metal feels...another $130. So that's like over three hundred bucks just on one of my Pokers. I would never sell it to buy a HHKB. I really love the way the keys feel with a plate (oh forgot to add that!) and the metal base gives the keys a really solid feel. The SP double shots are shining to hell, but they won't ever wear off like the stock caps would have.
There, that's my rationalization. To each his own. I don't make fun of people who buy Topre!
(much of the financing of my keyboard hobby was from bringing over keyboards from China and selling them to folks here)
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It just sounds like pure jealously to me, if you can't understand it, then why make ignorant assumptions?
Thou hath been trolled.
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Look at this turtle.
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Lol guys I got the answer. No need to answer original question anymore. Stay if you want the fellowship
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EVERYTHING.
this question gets asked every damn month.
top 3 answers:
1) because they can
2) because they want to
3) because they have the money
should have locked this **** after my reply.
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EVERYTHING.
this question gets asked every damn month.
top 3 answers:
1) because they can
2) because they want to
3) because they have the money
should have locked this **** after my reply.
This shouldn't even be a thread...
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Lol guys I got the answer. No need to answer original question anymore. Stay if you want the fellowship
Lock the thread then