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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: ianxblog on Sun, 16 February 2014, 17:58:04
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Seriously guys. I see all the hate around Blackwidow in this forum.
Probably it's not the best keyboard. The thing is I could get it for a reasonable price (Most mechanical keyboards are overpriced in my country since USD and ARS aren't very compatible money) and maybe would get it.
I've seen reviews saying it's awesome, while others saying it's total crap.
Im used to membranes. Im typing this on a BTC-53 (foam-and-foil switches) and it's the best I've ever used.
Is something I would really regret if I buy this keyboard? I mean, you guys have all fancy plate-mounted mechanical keyboards with PBT keycaps so this keyboard is sh*t in comparation, but, for ME, i never used a fully mechanical keyboard and want to get one for one and once: will this keyboard be any good?
Unafortunely I never tried browns that would fit me best I guess, and this is blues. However, I tried blues and really like the clickiness and the tactile bump a lot. Noise is not my concern at all.
Was about to buy an used yeaaaars old 2KRO blue alps keyboard for $20. Maybe this is more worth getting.
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You won't get dissapointed coming from a membrane to be honest. I surely didn't, nor did any of my closest friends. I don't like how it looks, the poor quality anti slip rubber under the keyboard and the non-standard sizes.
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You won't get dissapointed coming from a membrane to be honest. I surely didn't, nor did some of my closest friends.
But from BW to say a filco or ducky its worlds difference. Just the caps alone warrant the price
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You won't get dissapointed coming from a membrane to be honest. I surely didn't, nor did some of my closest friends.
But from BW to say a filco or ducky its worlds difference. Just the caps alone warrant the price
Yup, truly is, and it looks like he knows that based on his post. The BW will probably still be satisfying probably, until you get a taste of something better.
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There is a lot of unsubstantiated criticism of Razer's Blackwidow keyboards on the forums. It is tired asinine commentary that stifles a good discussion.
That being said, Razer does seem to not have as high quality standards for their keyboard products. Considering that Razer is universal in its presence, it is not a bad option if rubber domes or scissor switch keyboards are only available.
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blue alps keyboard for $20. Maybe this is more worth getting.
If you can afford to buy it, this is a great bargain for the switches alone. Twice that price is the best you can expect in the US.
For gaming, I don't know, I never game.
I often see people in Brazil selling, but if the postage is like US/Canada, there is no advantage.
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You won't get dissapointed coming from a membrane to be honest. I surely didn't, nor did some of my closest friends.
But from BW to say a filco or ducky its worlds difference. Just the caps alone warrant the price
You guys, you guys. I'm being seriously.
I know the keycaps are better on other high quality keyboards.
But, apart from durability, printing quality, and factors that doesn't affect the switch experience at all:
Does a good quality keycap make a switch feel bad or better? I know this can be achieved by plate mounting, but I wouldn't believe thinner-thicker plastic or better impressions gives a person better tactility of the switch itself. Does it? Excluding keycap texture, obviously. However, I like BW somewhat rough texture on it's keycaps.
blue alps keyboard for $20. Maybe this is more worth getting.
If you can afford to buy it, this is a great bargain for the switches alone. Twice that price is the best you can expect in the US.
For gaming, I don't know, I never game.
I often see people in Brazil selling, but if the postage is like US/Canada, there is no advantage.
Unafortunately I probably couldn't buy both at the time.
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The case is going to be really skimpy. Just buy something from banggood and have it shipped over
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i never used a keyboard with alps switches (afaik), but 2KRO is not that good if you want to play games...
I think the steelseries 6gv2/7g is sturdier and of a better build quality than Razer's (on the steelseries the board is mounted on a black painted steel plate), also heard razer's OEM is "garbage" (taking into account that a BW in Portugal costs something like 120 to 160, they should at least have a 'respectable' oem). also the steelseries keyboards come with cherry mx blacks, that might be the specific characteristic as to why an SS 6GV2 costs about 80 and their most expensive (the 7G) costs 110~ (in portugal), less than razer's line. the steelseries also don't have led backlight..
It is a matter of you trying out what you want to buy, compare them and think if the razer logo and all the bells and whistles razer's stuff have (led backlight, onboard ram, etc.) is really worth the extra money.
Have you checked the classified section for something you would like? or perhaps some respectable online store ?
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The case is going to be really skimpy. Just buy something from banggood and have it shipped over
The thing is U$D and importations are a bit complicated.
First of all, im underage. My dad won't give his credit card for this (Even if I hand him my money) for this, due the fact of how things are.
You buy something on the exterior. Right. It gets shipped, every Really, every package gets checked. They apply 35% increase on the price (The reference price on the thing if it's sold on my country).
You got to go get it yourself to the customs office. The transaction is a bit complicated. You got to register yourself as an importer.
So, messed up. I could just take a bus and buy a BW for less money, right?
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i never used a keyboard with alps switches (afaik), but 2KRO is not that good if you want to play games...
I think the steelseries 6gv2/7g is sturdier and of a better build quality than Razer's (on the steelseries the board is mounted on a black painted steel plate), also heard razer's OEM is "garbage" (taking into account that a BW in Portugal costs something like 120 to 160, they should at least have a 'respectable' oem). also the steelseries keyboards come with cherry mx blacks, that might be the specific characteristic as to why an SS 6GV2 costs about 80 and their most expensive (the 7G) costs 110~ (in portugal), less than razer's line. the steelseries also don't have led backlight..
It is a matter of you trying out what you want to buy, compare them and think if the razer logo and all the bells and whistles razer's stuff have (led backlight, onboard ram, etc.) is really worth the extra money.
Have you checked the classified section for something you would like? or perhaps some respectable online store ?
Man, I tell you. I hate razer brand itself. It's overpriced, it's not as good as other brand, and has all the fanboys around it.
I would be buying a BW Tournament (I want a TKL and it's faaaar cheaper) for a REALLY decent price. (Real numbers are, for example: ARS $3200 for a WASDKeyboard or ARS $800 for a BW T.
I can get a 6GV2 for ARS $1250. However, I don't like black switches (linear switches in general). The availability of mechanical keyboards for decent prices is not huge in my country, unafortunately.
So, this is my best deal.
I take care of my stuff. Never broke a single keyboard. I clean them sometimes and don't use them as a maniac (Like smashing keys when ragequitting or so).
So I think the quality may be.. just enough. I repeat. This is the best deal i can get.
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Kind of like getting a haircut.
Even if it is bad, it will grow out and you do it again.
Almost any mechanical is a step up, and you will be upgrading days/weeks/months from today, in any case.
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i never used a keyboard with alps switches (afaik), but 2KRO is not that good if you want to play games...
I think the steelseries 6gv2/7g is sturdier and of a better build quality than Razer's (on the steelseries the board is mounted on a black painted steel plate), also heard razer's OEM is "garbage" (taking into account that a BW in Portugal costs something like 120 to 160, they should at least have a 'respectable' oem). also the steelseries keyboards come with cherry mx blacks, that might be the specific characteristic as to why an SS 6GV2 costs about 80 and their most expensive (the 7G) costs 110~ (in portugal), less than razer's line. the steelseries also don't have led backlight..
It is a matter of you trying out what you want to buy, compare them and think if the razer logo and all the bells and whistles razer's stuff have (led backlight, onboard ram, etc.) is really worth the extra money.
Have you checked the classified section for something you would like? or perhaps some respectable online store ?
But the layout on the 6gv2 is so bad and that huge enter key its a deal breaker for sure, the 7g even has a small backspace.... I don't like the Razer either, if one wants an easily available and relatively cheaper keyboard I would suggest to look at Cooler Master as they have quite different layouts, switch choices, backlight and affordable at the same time. The quality may not be on the same level as some higher end keyboards but for the money it certainly gives the most value.
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I think people just hate razer products because of their annoying marketing and overpriced products. Their company sometimes seems to have the mentality of "Smack lights on object, raise price by 300%, call it a gaming product."
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i never used a keyboard with alps switches (afaik), but 2KRO is not that good if you want to play games...
I think the steelseries 6gv2/7g is sturdier and of a better build quality than Razer's (on the steelseries the board is mounted on a black painted steel plate), also heard razer's OEM is "garbage" (taking into account that a BW in Portugal costs something like 120 to 160, they should at least have a 'respectable' oem). also the steelseries keyboards come with cherry mx blacks, that might be the specific characteristic as to why an SS 6GV2 costs about 80 and their most expensive (the 7G) costs 110~ (in portugal), less than razer's line. the steelseries also don't have led backlight..
It is a matter of you trying out what you want to buy, compare them and think if the razer logo and all the bells and whistles razer's stuff have (led backlight, onboard ram, etc.) is really worth the extra money.
Have you checked the classified section for something you would like? or perhaps some respectable online store ?
Man, I tell you. I hate razer brand itself. It's overpriced, it's not as good as other brand, and has all the fanboys around it.
I would be buying a BW Tournament (I want a TKL and it's faaaar cheaper) for a REALLY decent price. (Real numbers are, for example: ARS $3200 for a WASDKeyboard or ARS $800 for a BW T.
I can get a 6GV2 for ARS $1250. However, I don't like black switches (linear switches in general). The availability of mechanical keyboards for decent prices is not huge in my country, unafortunately.
So, this is my best deal.
I take care of my stuff. Never broke a single keyboard. I clean them sometimes and don't use them as a maniac (Like smashing keys when ragequitting or so).
So I think the quality may be.. just enough. I repeat. This is the best deal i can get.
Bro get the BW T. They are not bad keyboards. I had a Blackwidow Ultimate for a little bit(My first mech) and then sold it, but Honestly I didn't hate it or anything. It was definitely cool to go from a regular Keyboard to a BWU. I sold it like a week later(Didnt loose much money) since I did more research and found out there are better keyboards for the price. Now, with your situation, thats the best you can get for that price. A WASD keyboard is not 4x better(thats how much more expensive it is) than a BW T, In fact it wouldnt even be 2x better. Import tax is gonna kill any chance of getting a keyboard that is good for the money, so I'd say to get what you can afford, and enjoy that keyboard.
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The furst iteration was pretty crappy as far as QC goes. the newest ones are getting much better reviews, and I can easily say, after trying my roommare's, I'd suggest them for anyone looking for a starter board.
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But the layout on the 6gv2 is so bad and that huge enter key its a deal breaker for sure.
I have one with portuguese layout, i believe it isn't ISO(?) (mostly since the ^~ key for Portuguese layout is near the enter key, but the enter key in the 6G is so big they had to push it down to the right of the -_ key, strangely after 1 or 2 days of using the keyboard it just felt natural :) ), and for the price (and considering I couldn't find a keyboard at least with UK layout, having the same # of keys as the PT layout, i decided uppon the steelseries 6G. there's a brand, Ozone, that has PT layout, but their plastics are total crap.. Everything in the 80-100 price range was either rubber dome or had US layout , which I can't get used to due to the missing keys :s ).
Anyway, OP, a mechanical keyboard is 10000x better than a rubber dome (even if it is a top notch rubber dome), so choose with your heart :P
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I didn't think they were that bad. And the quality issues weren't anything major that I couldn't repair.
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I owned a BW for nearly 8 months last year, it was my first mechanical keyboard, I used a newegg gift card and bought it while it was on sale for about 50 dollars. It was a good keyboard, I don't know why it gets so much hate. The only cons I have seen from it were the glossy finish and non standard keys, which other keyboards that have these downsides don't get nearly the same amount of bashing.
It seems to be the "cool" thing to bash razer products, and I can't help but feel some people who are the most vocal about it have not even owned a razer product..
Maybe I am one of the lucky people but I have no hate for razer, I had that BW for a long time, longer than I have owned any other mechanical keyboard and there weren't any problems with it. I didn't necessarily care about it one bit, I never cleaned except for when I sold it and the only thing that happened was there was some nearly unnoticeable wear on the WASD keys and a tiny scratch in the glossy finish that was like that out of the box if I remember. No defects, no build quality issues, nothing. I also own a deathadder, I have had it for about a year and it still works perfectly, I have taken it apart numerous times and sanded it down after the "black edition" rubber finish started wearing down.
I don't hate razer products, but I wouldn't say I love them either. Their products aren't nearly the best out there, but they are far from the worst, if you can get some of their stuff on sale, it is great.
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Sadly, the price wasn't updated (2 weeks old, maybe)
It's now ARS $1150
I just gonna get the ALPS board and maybe a cheap MX Clone Numpad+Nav cluster.
I did some garden job mowing some lawn and got some extra money, so I will wait next month and hopefully get the BWT. :rolleyes:
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I keep seeing all these "BW hate" threads, and honestly I don't know where it's coming from. Yeah, it's not the best in terms of build quality, and a few vocal members probably have said things like "BW is the worst keyboard EVAR!!1", but I don't really see tons of "hate" for the BW around here.
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i never used a keyboard with alps switches (afaik), but 2KRO is not that good if you want to play games...
I think the steelseries 6gv2/7g is sturdier and of a better build quality than Razer's (on the steelseries the board is mounted on a black painted steel plate), also heard razer's OEM is "garbage" (taking into account that a BW in Portugal costs something like 120 to 160, they should at least have a 'respectable' oem). also the steelseries keyboards come with cherry mx blacks, that might be the specific characteristic as to why an SS 6GV2 costs about 80 and their most expensive (the 7G) costs 110~ (in portugal), less than razer's line. the steelseries also don't have led backlight..
It is a matter of you trying out what you want to buy, compare them and think if the razer logo and all the bells and whistles razer's stuff have (led backlight, onboard ram, etc.) is really worth the extra money.
Have you checked the classified section for something you would like? or perhaps some respectable online store ?
Man, I tell you. I hate razer brand itself. It's overpriced, it's not as good as other brand, and has all the fanboys around it.
I would be buying a BW Tournament (I want a TKL and it's faaaar cheaper) for a REALLY decent price. (Real numbers are, for example: ARS $3200 for a WASDKeyboard or ARS $800 for a BW T.
I can get a 6GV2 for ARS $1250. However, I don't like black switches (linear switches in general). The availability of mechanical keyboards for decent prices is not huge in my country, unafortunately.
So, this is my best deal.
I take care of my stuff. Never broke a single keyboard. I clean them sometimes and don't use them as a maniac (Like smashing keys when ragequitting or so).
So I think the quality may be.. just enough. I repeat. This is the best deal i can get.
I would recommend all Argentines to buy things with high resale value and very high quality so that it is inflation proof.
Argentina has been a paradise for inflationistas for the past 100 years except for a few years in the 1990s, and it isn't going to change AFAIK. The Argentine politician who won't print money, is as rare as the Muslim fundamentalist who feasts on pork chops and bacon strips.
Buckling springs can hold their value. Razers will depreciate quickly.
If you stock up on buckling springs now, they might be worth a few trillion pesos in a few years time. Your dad will thank you.
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i never used a keyboard with alps switches (afaik), but 2KRO is not that good if you want to play games...
I think the steelseries 6gv2/7g is sturdier and of a better build quality than Razer's (on the steelseries the board is mounted on a black painted steel plate), also heard razer's OEM is "garbage" (taking into account that a BW in Portugal costs something like 120 to 160, they should at least have a 'respectable' oem). also the steelseries keyboards come with cherry mx blacks, that might be the specific characteristic as to why an SS 6GV2 costs about 80 and their most expensive (the 7G) costs 110~ (in portugal), less than razer's line. the steelseries also don't have led backlight..
It is a matter of you trying out what you want to buy, compare them and think if the razer logo and all the bells and whistles razer's stuff have (led backlight, onboard ram, etc.) is really worth the extra money.
Have you checked the classified section for something you would like? or perhaps some respectable online store ?
Man, I tell you. I hate razer brand itself. It's overpriced, it's not as good as other brand, and has all the fanboys around it.
I would be buying a BW Tournament (I want a TKL and it's faaaar cheaper) for a REALLY decent price. (Real numbers are, for example: ARS $3200 for a WASDKeyboard or ARS $800 for a BW T.
I can get a 6GV2 for ARS $1250. However, I don't like black switches (linear switches in general). The availability of mechanical keyboards for decent prices is not huge in my country, unafortunately.
So, this is my best deal.
I take care of my stuff. Never broke a single keyboard. I clean them sometimes and don't use them as a maniac (Like smashing keys when ragequitting or so).
So I think the quality may be.. just enough. I repeat. This is the best deal i can get.
I would recommend all Argentines to buy things with high resale value and very high quality so that it is inflation proof.
Argentina has been a paradise for inflationistas for the past 100 years except for a few years in the 1990s, and it isn't going to change AFAIK. The Argentine politician who won't print money, is as rare as the Muslim fundamentalist who feasts on pork chops and bacon strips.
Buckling springs can hold their value. Razers will depreciate quickly.
If you stock up on buckling springs now, they might be worth a few trillion pesos in a few years time. Your dad will thank you.
Are you sure a Model M will be worth more in the future, and not less?
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I keep seeing all these "BW hate" threads, and honestly I don't know where it's coming from. Yeah, it's not the best in terms of build quality, and a few vocal members probably have said things like "BW is the worst keyboard EVAR!!1", but I don't really see tons of "hate" for the BW around here.
Maybe because the ones that owned them gave them up for something better like a Filco, Realforce or HHKB. That is why there are very few Razer owners on this forum or maybe they're just scared to admit they own one.
Any other keyboard in truth is better than what Razer is currently selling hence why make that fatal mistake of losing money on anything connected to that deceitful company?
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BW 2013 TE isn't bad, actually. They fixed some of the most serious issues of the previous generation (glossy surface, blue lights, 2KRO, ****ty soldering).
However, getting a Razer product is an ethical choice, due to their aggressive marketing targeted at uninformed ignorants, which represents one of the worse problems of modern society.
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I have a few mech keyboards. One too many actually so I'm thinking of selling one off. Which do you think was the one I chose? Yes BW is not that bad but it can't compare to some of the better ones out there. Luckily I manage to get a buyer.
The thing is, I doubt I am able to sell some of the better keyboard because Razer did a damn good job in branding.
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However, getting a Razer product is an ethical choice, due to their aggressive marketing targeted at uninformed ignorants, which represents one of the worse problems of modern society.
^ this
then again. most of them are HAPPY to be ignorant. there's nothing really wrong with aggressive marketing persay; it's just the prices that come along with it.
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That would be true, if their products were actually competitive even without this kind of marketing, but considering their poor QA, they're directly responsible for the e-waste they produce.
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Every keyboard newbie has to be mesmerized and sometimes hypnotized by Razer keyboards. Consider that time as flashy, reckless gaming time of your life.
When all noises die down and you get to know more kinds of mechanical keyboards, Razer Blackwidow keyboards are on the lower end of the spectrum.
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Every keyboard newbie has to be mesmerized and sometimes hypnotized by Razer keyboards. Consider that time as flashy, reckless gaming time of your life.
When you get to know more kinds of mechanical keyboards, Razer Blackwidow keyboards are on the lower end of the spectrum.
But they aren't that low on the spectrum. They have their little benefits to them:
1 They look really cool and futuristic.
2 They're nice and heft like a mech board should be.
3 They have macro keys if you're into that sort of thing(although, arguably in a stupid location).
4 Backlit.
The biggest problem with Razer mech's is that they are:
1 Cut corners on important areas(cheap keycaps).
2 Non standard in bottom row keycap size(Hard to customize)
3 A bit too expensive compared to competitors which are arguably better then the RBW.
So, the BWU isn't bad, you just need to get it on sale for it to be a good value. Luckily this happens often so just be patient. Now, in the OP's case he doesnt have a choice. The price he needs to pay to get a "better" board is too high compared to what he could pay for a BWU, so imo unless he wants to pay 4x the price of the BWUT, he should just stick with it. It's still a Mech-board and you'll still enjoy it. :thumb:
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Well said, Luis :thumb:
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I used to have a BWU with blue switch, after I swapped the keycaps to PBT and add O-rings to it, it actually felt quite nice.
BTW, I think the new version of BWU is more solid than the old version, and I like the green lighting theme.
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^this. Get some black pbt alpha keys and call it a day. :thumb:
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Any other keyboard in truth is better than what Razer is currently selling hence why make that fatal mistake of losing money on anything connected to that deceitful company?
I'll be honest, I'll take a current BW over anything put out by that god awful OEM who did XArmor's boards.
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Any other keyboard in truth is better than what Razer is currently selling hence why make that fatal mistake of losing money on anything connected to that deceitful company?
I'll be honest, I'll take a current BW over anything put out by that god awful OEM who did XArmor's boards.
Aren't they the same OEMs, aka iONE?
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BW 2013 is supposedly made by the same OEM as QF TK, G710+, the new Das Pro etc.
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Yeah..the new BW seems to be made a bit better than earlier ones. There seems to be fewer reliability issues...
There are definitely better options out there but if where you live there aren't any, the new ones definitely seem alright..
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My opinion:
The BW may not be the best mechanical keyboard, but any mechanical is still better than a rubber dome.
If it's the only option that's readily available to you, it's worth purchasing.
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i wouldnt buy one myself. i suggest getting a cooler master board instead, simply because they are less ugly and use standard ANSI and ISO layouts.
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http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B007VDKLLM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1392839558&sr=8-3&keywords=coolermaster+keyboard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=596202
Good board with Browns for a decent price.
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http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B007VDKLLM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1392839558&sr=8-3&keywords=coolermaster+keyboard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=596202
Good board with Browns for a decent price.
Your post isn't useful at all.
Everybody knows QFR is the best price/quality.
Did you even read what I said about import taxes and availability?
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http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B007VDKLLM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1392839558&sr=8-3&keywords=coolermaster+keyboard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=596202
Good board with Browns for a decent price.
Your post isn't useful at all.
Everybody knows QFR is the best price/quality.
Did you even read what I said about import taxes and availability?
Eeek, sorry.. Scanned the thread too fast.
It may be worth contacting these guys and asking if you can get one and where, though: http://www.symondsnet.com.ar/
They are the official distributor for Cooler Master in Argentina.
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http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Tenkeyless-Mechanical/dp/B007VDKLLM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1392839558&sr=8-3&keywords=coolermaster+keyboard
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=596202
Good board with Browns for a decent price.
Your post isn't useful at all.
Everybody knows QFR is the best price/quality.
Did you even read what I said about import taxes and availability?
Eeek, sorry.. Scanned the thread too fast.
It may be worth contacting these guys and asking if you can get one and where, though: http://www.symondsnet.com.ar
They are the official distributor for Cooler Master in Argentina.
Sorry for being rude. That post was useful!
I already know another provider for CM so I will compare prices and travel distance to buy it etc
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The BW TE with the matte finish I have is perfectly fine. No problems whatsoever. Built like a tank and soldered well. I have not tried the other ones so I don't know about them.
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The case is going to be really skimpy. Just buy something from banggood and have it shipped over
The thing is U$D and importations are a bit complicated.
First of all, im underage. My dad won't give his credit card for this (Even if I hand him my money) for this, due the fact of how things are.
You buy something on the exterior. Right. It gets shipped, every Really, every package gets checked. They apply 35% increase on the price (The reference price on the thing if it's sold on my country).
You got to go get it yourself to the customs office. The transaction is a bit complicated. You got to register yourself as an importer.
So, messed up. I could just take a bus and buy a BW for less money, right?
Like you said yourself, you're SOL :p
Enjoy your razer.
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Seriously guys. I see all the hate around Blackwidow in this forum.
Probably it's not the best keyboard. The thing is I could get it for a reasonable price (Most mechanical keyboards are overpriced in my country since USD and ARS aren't very compatible money) and maybe would get it.
I've seen reviews saying it's awesome, while others saying it's total crap.
Im used to membranes. Im typing this on a BTC-53 (foam-and-foil switches) and it's the best I've ever used.
Is something I would really regret if I buy this keyboard? I mean, you guys have all fancy plate-mounted mechanical keyboards with PBT keycaps so this keyboard is sh*t in comparation, but, for ME, i never used a fully mechanical keyboard and want to get one for one and once: will this keyboard be any good?
Unafortunely I never tried browns that would fit me best I guess, and this is blues. However, I tried blues and really like the clickiness and the tactile bump a lot. Noise is not my concern at all.
Was about to buy an used yeaaaars old 2KRO blue alps keyboard for $20. Maybe this is more worth getting.
I think there's a lot of hate surrounding that board because it's just not as good as any of the others that could be bought for a similar price.
I think it's an okay board if it's going to be your first board because at first, we don't really know what we want and it's a good introduction to mechanical keyboards and what not and I know that's at least what I did anyway!
The process for me was as follows: Razer Lycosa > Logitech G19 > Razer Blackwidow Ultimate (blues, ouch) > Noppoo Choc Mini (reds) > Keycool 84 (Blacks > Keycool 84 (Browns) > Filco TKL > Back to the Noppoo Choc mini, I think keyboards will always be a matter of personal preference and I don't see that every changing to be quite honest.
Not sure where all of the hate actually stems from though, maybe it's because of the keycaps, the build quality? I really don't know, mine was 'okay' and I have a BWTE in my posession, so yeah.