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I know we have all sorts of nicknames for switches with swapped stems/springs. Is there one for Blue stems with Clear springs? If not, I humbly submit "Sky Blues".
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I think some people have called other switches using clear springs 'ghost' switches, so ghost blue or ghost red etc etc
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55008.msg1233441#msg1233441
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I've too heard the term ghost for any stem with clear spring, so ghost blues I guess...
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I like sky blues better :(
daerid, let's call them sky blues?
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Insert Breaking Bad reference here:
Crystal Blues
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Another vote for ghost blues. I like ghosts...
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(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-Rolls-Royce-Alpine-Trial-Centenary-Collection-Ghost-01-626x382.jpg)
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Virgin blues?
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Virgin blues?
I wouldn't call a modded switch virgin...
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Virgin blues?
I wouldn't call a modded switch virgin...
LOL! :)) :))
That does suggest some alternative names, though.
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archon blues :)
merge between the two best switches
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I like sky blues better :(
daerid, let's call them sky blues?
I like sky blue.
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i'm just saying...sky blues doesn't make sense to people from vancouver. i'm not sure what a 'clear' sky actually looks like; i just see a lot of blue rain (and sometimes snow) :P
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Yeah, I really like Sky Blues. Maybe it'll catch on.
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Any switch with a clear spring should be the lighter version of itself- sky blue.. grey black? Uh, others.
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browns -> tans
reds -> pinks
??
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I started calling my Blacks and Reds with Clear springs Ghost Blacks and Ghost Reds and it seems to have stuck. So of course I'm partial to Ghost Blues. I'm of the mindset that you shouldn't try and force a name, but just go with what sticks, like how Ghetto Browns became Jailhouse Blues.
So call them Ghost Blues, EctoBlues, Sky Blues, whatever sticks. The only real potential issue I see with Sky Blues is that some people may think of the light Blues first, I know I did.
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I'm going to propose "Blue Stem with Clear Springs" :P
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I'm going to propose "Blue Stem with Clear Springs" :P
Damn hipsters...
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I'm going to propose "Blue Stem with Clear Springs" :P
Or Blemcles for short.
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Actually, we need more acronyms guys. Someone think of one!!
And BlueBar, YOU'RE A HIPSTER
/me pouts
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What about "greater heavier original spring transformation blues", or in short, ghost blues?
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I'm going to propose "Blue Stem with Clear Springs" :P
EDIT: this ^
Why can't we just call **** by "[Stem Color] with [Spring Name]" because you're always gonna have people asking "what are kirkle clears" or "what are ghost blacks" anyway, and then you have to respond with my suggested format. I don't understand
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Virgin blues was due to the "tightness" ;)
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I keep referring to this combination as "anti-ergo blues."
I will finally try it once that whole GH60 thing happens. :D
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Wait, what are kirkle clears??
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Only AKIMbO can tell you.
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Why can't we just call **** by "[Stem Color] with [Spring Name]" because you're always gonna have people asking "what are kirkle clears" or "what are ghost blacks" anyway, and then you have to respond with my suggested format. I don't understand
I agree with this btw., it just increases confusion.
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Or people can just clarify what it is when they mention it. I mean we have Panda switches, Ghetto switches, Jailhouse switches, and so on.
Personally, I enjoy the little names for two reasons. First off, they're just fun to use and, once you get the clarification out of the way, it becomes a shorthand that makes talking about them quicker and easier. Secondly due to more sociological/anthropological reason. Symbolic languages, objects, and codes are a way of creating a sense of community and togetherness and teaching people those symbols and their meaning is a way of inducting and integrating them into the community and can increase a sense of community. Those symbols can be abused, like people who talk in inside jokes, but if they're treated as a means of inclusion, they can be beneficial for a community.
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First off, they're just fun to use and, once you get the clarification out of the way, it becomes a shorthand that makes talking about them quicker and easier.
Agreed, but with the amount of switch modding you can do I don't think you need a name for everything. Jailhouse Blues are different because it's not just a different spring, Ergo Clears are different too because they're so popular. I don't see the term Panda Clears often, as it's not really very popular.
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TBH I'll probably just say "Ghost Blues ". It seems less ambiguous and is already in use.
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What's blue, white, and has a short throw?
Smurfs.
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I think of Whites with Blue springs when I hear Smurfs.
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TBH I'll probably just say "Ghost Blues ". It seems less ambiguous and is already in use.
This is why I stick to already names in use, someone mentioned them at some point and without forcing the name stuck.
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FWIW calling them Sky Blue would be misleading, because such switches already exist (http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/not-another-one-t2467.html).
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Another potential name:
"Translucent" Blues
Even though they aren't ACTUALLY translucent, but I mean comon, what else would you call something that is both clear and blue?
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I like smurfs ..... or we could go with "Unfortunate masterbation gone wrong" switches?
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I like ghosts.
Ghost reporting! ****, it's an observer...
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FWIW calling them Sky Blue would be misleading, because such switches already exist (http://deskthority.net/photos-videos-f8/not-another-one-t2467.html).
Whelp, that settles it.
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Y'all don't call them "ghetto" anymore? Ghetto Reds, Ghetto Browns, or Panda Clears...
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Y'all don't call them "ghetto" anymore? Ghetto Reds, Ghetto Browns, or Panda Clears...
Ghetto switches were you swapping one spring from one switch into another to try and approximate another switches feel. The whole "Ghost" switch thing is swapping a Clear spring in, which isn't really trying to approximate the feel of another switch.
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Y'all don't call them "ghetto" anymore? Ghetto Reds, Ghetto Browns, or Panda Clears...
Because its not mimicking an existing switch
Ghetto blues--black spring with blue stem feels like greens
Ghetto reds-brown or blue springs in black stems feels like reds
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Got it. I've been out of the loop for a while...so, a blue stem and clear spring isn't close to a green switch?
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Got it. I've been out of the loop for a while...so, a blue stem and clear spring isn't close to a green switch?
clears have less loops in the spring so the force acceleration is faster
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Got it. I've been out of the loop for a while...so, a blue stem and clear spring isn't close to a green switch?
At first they don't really feel all that much stiffer than a stock blue, but after a bit you realize that you don't bottom out as much as you do on regular blues. It's a weird, kinda soft feeling. The sound is more of the switch's actual click sound and less of the "clack" of bottoming out.
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Virgin blues.
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Virgin blues.
There's an echo in here...
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Virgin blues.
There's an echo in here...
I think so so so
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i like navy blue but the original navy blues i think is stiffer :-X
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How about we come up with a standard naming scheme and post it in the wiki?
Example:
Ghost [nickname for Clear Springs] Blacks [color of stem]
So in this case the first part of the naming scheme will refer to the nickname for the spring being used and second word will always refer to the stem color.
More examples:
Ghost [Clear springs] Blues, Smurf [Blue Springs] Blacks, Lava [Red Springs] Blacks....you get the point.
Than all we will need to do is decide what to nickname the springs.
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How about we come up with a standard naming scheme and post it in the wiki?
Example:
Ghost [nickname for Clear Springs] Blacks
So in this case the first part of the naming scheme will refer to the nickname for the spring being used and second word will always refer to the stem color.
More examples:
Ghost [Clear springs] Blues, Smurf [Blue Springs] Blacks, Lava [Red Springs] Blacks....you get the point.
Than all we will need to do is decide what to nickname the springs.
Aw, a codification system. I like it.
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+1
Although, Smurf and Lava (and whatever Browns are) might be confusing, since they all use the same spring.
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+1
Although, Smurf and Lava (and whatever Browns are) might be confusing, since they all use the same spring.
We could call it the Harlot spring?
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We already have Ergo Clears, which are a clear using the spring from blues/browns/reds. So why not use that for other switches that receive that spring?
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We already have Ergo Clears, which are a clear using the spring from blues/browns/reds. So why not use that for other switches that receive that spring?
Well, it wouldn't really be making anything Ergo outside of a White or tactile Grey since it would just be making a linear or clicky switch that already exists.
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Sorry to necro bump this, but I just swapped out the blue springs for clears on one hand of my new ErgoDox, and I gotta say:
Hmmmm
Nowhere near as good as I thought it was going to be. I think the stem mechanism of the blue switch doesn't really work out well with the clear spring. It feels like it requires much more force to actuate than a stock clear.
I think I'm going to stick with the stock blues on this one.
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Heh. Personally I like "Sky Blues", lighter than greens but some bite. For giggles, try a blue switch w/ a grey tactile spring. I call them "Rainy Day" ;)
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Nowhere near as good as I thought it was going to be. I think the stem mechanism of the blue switch doesn't really work out well with the clear spring. It feels like it requires much more force to actuate than a stock clear.
I've been doing the somewhat crude nickel test on various MXs. Since I've been experimenting with putting blue springs in clears, I happened to have some disassembled blues and clear springs lying around. So I threw one together and tested it.
For reference, here is what I had previously found:
11 nickels - stock blue
12 nickels - ergo clear
14 nickels - stock clear
Given that, I expected the clear blue to be somewhere in the range of 13 to 15. (Greens are 15). The actual result is: 17! That's higher than the white at 16.
Your fingers seem to be telling the truth. That's the highest activation force I've seen yet. :eek:
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I've been doing the somewhat crude nickel test on various MXs. Since I've been experimenting with putting blue springs in clears, I happened to have some disassembled blues and clear springs lying around. So I threw one together and tested it.
For reference, here is what I had previously found:
11 nickels - stock blue
12 nickels - ergo clear
14 nickels - stock clear
Given that, I expected the clear blue to be somewhere in the range of 13 to 15. (Greens are 15). The actual result is: 17! That's higher than the white at 16.
Your fingers seem to be telling the truth. That's the highest activation force I've seen yet. :eek:
Whew! Glad to know that I wasn't trippin (and nice to see some good old fashioned keyboard science up in here). And yeah, 17 is nuts. Assuming 1 nickel = 5g, that's an extra 15g of actuation force over a stock clear, and 30g over a stock blue.
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Ghost is cool. I like that.
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Bears. Clues.
Aqua blues? [since aqua -> water -> clear]
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hard on blues
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Nowhere near as good as I thought it was going to be. I think the stem mechanism of the blue switch doesn't really work out well with the clear spring. It feels like it requires much more force to actuate than a stock clear.
I've been doing the somewhat crude nickel test on various MXs. Since I've been experimenting with putting blue springs in clears, I happened to have some disassembled blues and clear springs lying around. So I threw one together and tested it.
For reference, here is what I had previously found:
11 nickels - stock blue
12 nickels - ergo clear
14 nickels - stock clear
Given that, I expected the clear blue to be somewhere in the range of 13 to 15. (Greens are 15). The actual result is: 17! That's higher than the white at 16.
Your fingers seem to be telling the truth. That's the highest activation force I've seen yet. :eek:
someone have a technical explanation of how this is possible? something is getting jammed?
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Aquamarine?
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someone have a technical explanation of how this is possible? something is getting jammed?
Doubtful. While I didn't measure mine, I definitely felt that the Blues with Clear springs were stiffer than practically any Cherry MX switch I'd tried. Probably has something to do with the force curve of the clear spring at the actuation point combined with the shape of the blue stem (i.e: the "sharpness" of the tactile point on blues).
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^that's kinda disappointing to hear :(
because the clear spring seems to make the blue switch even louder, which is what I want. :/