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Title: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: irendulic on Thu, 27 February 2014, 22:54:49
Hi all,

I know they aren't the most popular around here, but I prefer typing on membrane keyboards similar to those stock HP and Dell ones you can find just about anywhere.

However, I also absolutely hate numpads, leaving me with a rather poor choice of tenkeyless membrane keyboard. I've purchased an IBM Space Saver II, and for now I absolutely love it. The trackpoint is a great bonus, the keys had just a bit less walk it would be perfect for me.

My question is - are there any other tenkeyless membrane keyboards similar to the IBM SS2 that aren't impossible to buy? Even with the SS2 I've had some trouble getting it for a reasonable price here in the US, when I return to Europe it's probably going to be even harder.


Thanks for your help! And please don't judge me, I just don't like typing on mechanical keyboards.  :-[
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 28 February 2014, 06:30:44
"Membrane" is actually only the actuation mechanism. Some mechanical keyboards, like the IBM Model M have membranes in the bottom under the mechanism that provides key resistance. You mean "rubber dome". ;)

There is one by Fujitsu, but the keys are quite mushy. Search for "Fujitsu Tenkeyless" and you will find previous discussions.
I once saw a scissor-switch keyboard with tenkeyless layout, but I think it is only bundled with Samsung desktop PCs.
Then there are lots of other rubber dome keyboards that are compact, with all kinds of various layouts.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: berserkfan on Fri, 28 February 2014, 10:38:29
Hi all,

I know they aren't the most popular around here, but I prefer typing on membrane keyboards similar to those stock HP and Dell ones you can find just about anywhere.

However, I also absolutely hate numpads, leaving me with a rather poor choice of tenkeyless membrane keyboard. I've purchased an IBM Space Saver II, and for now I absolutely love it. The trackpoint is a great bonus, the keys had just a bit less walk it would be perfect for me.

My question is - are there any other tenkeyless membrane keyboards similar to the IBM SS2 that aren't impossible to buy? Even with the SS2 I've had some trouble getting it for a reasonable price here in the US, when I return to Europe it's probably going to be even harder.


Thanks for your help! And please don't judge me, I just don't like typing on mechanical keyboards.  :-[

SSK2 should be far from impossible to buy. They pop up on ebay pretty often. At one time I was considering buying one for $38 (I think it was $52 shipped). They are quite popular with people I know - should be one of the more reputable rubber dome models around.
Title: Lots of options
Post by: cbf123 on Fri, 28 February 2014, 12:45:01
Take a look at http://ergocanada.com/ec_home/products/compactmini_1.html

While some of those use mechanical keys, a lot don't.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: robertsig on Fri, 28 February 2014, 13:18:11
Topre Realforce 55g uniform should suit you nicely.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: ideus on Fri, 28 February 2014, 13:59:54
Just check ebay for a replacement SSKII, I sold one some months ago. And yeah it is a totally awesome board.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 28 February 2014, 15:10:29
What do you mean by "if the keys had a bit less walk it would be perfect for me?"
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: Snarfangel on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:07:17
Are laptop keyboards technically tenkeyless?  :p

Oh, very well, I realize it doesn't really count, but I think it's fun to type on my Typematrix 2020, and it's still going  strong after a couple of years. Scissor switch, and not too bad once I got used to the position of the keys. I actually kind of like how it feels, though it's more fun to pound on my Unicomp.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: Roibhilin on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:14:23
I'm not sure if you'd go for 60%; it's scissor switch:
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-mobile-keyboard/U6R-00001
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: Pacifist on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:20:05
I'm not sure if you'd go for 60%; it's scissor switch:
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-mobile-keyboard/U6R-00001

Is there a function row on the top?
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 28 February 2014, 16:23:26
I'm not sure if you'd go for 60%; it's scissor switch:
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-mobile-keyboard/U6R-00001 (http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/wedge-mobile-keyboard/U6R-00001)

Is there a function row on the top?

On the function layer yes

AND much cheaper at amazon http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-U6R-00001-Wedge-Mobile-Keyboard/dp/B008OEHPKM
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: irendulic on Fri, 28 February 2014, 18:05:29
Thank you all for responses! Didn't expect such a large feedback :)

"Membrane" is actually only the actuation mechanism. Some mechanical keyboards, like the IBM Model M have membranes in the bottom under the mechanism that provides key resistance. You mean "rubber dome". ;)


Yes, rubber dome, thanks :) Couldn't remember how it's called.


SSK2 should be far from impossible to buy. They pop up on ebay pretty often. At one time I was considering buying one for $38 (I think it was $52 shipped). They are quite popular with people I know - should be one of the more reputable rubber dome models around.

Yes, I've bought on not so long ago for 45$ shipped (I need one more keyboard for work, this one I'll keep at home), the problem is that a lot of the sellers ask for unrealistic prices, 100$+. And it's much harder to get one in Europe, I'm in US now, but in a couple of months I'm heading home.

For the suggestions, Topre is way to pricey for me, and microsoft is more chiclet style and bluetooth. I've actually been using the microsoft mobile bluetooth 6000 and it's awesome for me, but bluetooth. I just hate bluetooth keyboards.

The Kinesis Freestyle 2 looks pretty interesting. I think I'll look on ebay for another SSK2 (currently there's one for 60$ shipped at auction, kinda pricey but.. ) or the Freestyle2.
Anyone used the Kinesis Freestyle2?
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: SonOfSonOfSpock on Fri, 28 February 2014, 23:45:01
I have the Freestyle 2. It's keys are a lot lighter than a lot of rubber dome keyboards I've tried. For me, ive figured out I don't like that, but I'm not sure what your personal preference is. The various options for tenting are pretty cool. It's a very adjustable keyboard as far as ergonomics.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 01 March 2014, 04:23:31
Similar boards to the Freestyle are the Goldtouch. There is the desktop PC version, mac version and two portable low-profile versions. All have the nav keys in a column, so it does not have the typical TKL layout.
The desktop Goldtouch has light keys. And old discontinued version has nav keys on the left and harder keys.
The big thing with the Goldtouch keyboards is that they are split, but with a ball-hinge and a locking lever, so that you can adjust and then lock angle and tenting. This was patented and the inventor has posted on GH a few times.
Title: Re: Non-mechanical tenkeyless keyboards
Post by: MissMurd3r84 on Sat, 01 March 2014, 07:10:48
Similar boards to the Freestyle are the Goldtouch. There is the desktop PC version, mac version and two portable slimline versions. All have the nav keys in a column, so it does not have the typical TKL layout.
The desktop Goldtouch has light keys. And old discontinued version has nav keys on the left and harder keys.
The big thing with the Goldtouch keyboards is that they are split, but with a ball-hinge and a locking lever, so that you can adjust and then lock angle and tenting. This was patented and the inventor has posted on GH a few times.
I just ordered a Goldtouch V2 last night to see if I can handle the split and that before I pre-order the Matias Ergo ^_^