In the market for a numpad, and I was wondering what thoughts you all on had these two numpads. I know Filco usually has better quality, but I like the colors and big zero key on the Leopold more. Thoughts for any users here about differences in quality?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-210TP-Mechanical-number-Pad-Cherry-MX-Blue-Gravy-color-/301105804511?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item461b4df4df
and
http://www.keyboardco.com/keypad/filco-majestouch-tenkeypad-tactile-action-numberpad.asp
Be sure and look into what codes these send if it matters to you, some of the numberpads send the number row codes not the numberpad codes.
may I suggest Genovation programmable pads? They are also Cherry MX, and seem to be going for a bit less on ebay.
may I suggest Genovation programmable pads? They are also Cherry MX, and seem to be going for a bit less on ebay.
Ya know, I think that I am pretty dead set on that Leopold, but another thread on here has identified some problems with the numpad, and I am not sure if they have been resolved.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52780.0
Ya know, I think that I am pretty dead set on that Leopold, but another thread on here has identified some problems with the numpad, and I am not sure if they have been resolved.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52780.0
Both the Filco and Leopold have the exact same issues with which key codes they send. In fact, I discovered that they also send the exact same vendor code, too.
While someone said that Leopold has apparently updated their units to send keypad codes, the unit I just received 2 days ago does not have that change. When I asked Elite Keyboards about it, they did a spot check of their inventory. They do not have any units that worked any differently. Maybe in a couple of months you will be able to get one that works "correctly", but it's not the case today.
I searching for an alternative to this unit, I was unable to find any that used Cherry blues, maybe a couple others that use cherry browns, and quite a few others that have other issues. So I worked on finding a workaround, which I did. You can read about it in this thread:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.0)
My workaround is only for Mac OS, but its good enough that even applications that apparently read the codes directly can't tell that the keys have been remapped.
There are supposedly utilities that can remap keys via Windows registry hacks, but I have no idea whether or not they're as equally effective. Maybe someone else who has used one of those utilities can chime in on whether or not such a hack works under Windows.
Ya know, I think that I am pretty dead set on that Leopold, but another thread on here has identified some problems with the numpad, and I am not sure if they have been resolved.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52780.0
Both the Filco and Leopold have the exact same issues with which key codes they send. In fact, I discovered that they also send the exact same vendor code, too.
While someone said that Leopold has apparently updated their units to send keypad codes, the unit I just received 2 days ago does not have that change. When I asked Elite Keyboards about it, they did a spot check of their inventory. They do not have any units that worked any differently. Maybe in a couple of months you will be able to get one that works "correctly", but it's not the case today.
I searching for an alternative to this unit, I was unable to find any that used Cherry blues, maybe a couple others that use cherry browns, and quite a few others that have other issues. So I worked on finding a workaround, which I did. You can read about it in this thread:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.0)
My workaround is only for Mac OS, but its good enough that even applications that apparently read the codes directly can't tell that the keys have been remapped.
There are supposedly utilities that can remap keys via Windows registry hacks, but I have no idea whether or not they're as equally effective. Maybe someone else who has used one of those utilities can chime in on whether or not such a hack works under Windows.
Ok thanks. I checked out the thread and your custom xml file. While that remap affect the number row on the keyboard as well, or just affect the keypad?
Ok thanks. I checked out the thread and your custom xml file. While that remap affect the number row on the keyboard as well, or just affect the keypad?
It only affects the keypad. The "device_only" entry restricts the affects to the device which sends the specified vendor code and product ID. Even another keypad from Leopold won't be affected if if the product ID is different.
I have plans to order the Leopold keypad from Qtan off Ebay, so it might have a different product ID than the one from Elite Keyboards. I will check that when it arrives.
Ya know, I think that I am pretty dead set on that Leopold, but another thread on here has identified some problems with the numpad, and I am not sure if they have been resolved.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52780.0
Both the Filco and Leopold have the exact same issues with which key codes they send. In fact, I discovered that they also send the exact same vendor code, too.
While someone said that Leopold has apparently updated their units to send keypad codes, the unit I just received 2 days ago does not have that change. When I asked Elite Keyboards about it, they did a spot check of their inventory. They do not have any units that worked any differently. Maybe in a couple of months you will be able to get one that works "correctly", but it's not the case today.
I searching for an alternative to this unit, I was unable to find any that used Cherry blues, maybe a couple others that use cherry browns, and quite a few others that have other issues. So I worked on finding a workaround, which I did. You can read about it in this thread:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.0)
My workaround is only for Mac OS, but its good enough that even applications that apparently read the codes directly can't tell that the keys have been remapped.
There are supposedly utilities that can remap keys via Windows registry hacks, but I have no idea whether or not they're as equally effective. Maybe someone else who has used one of those utilities can chime in on whether or not such a hack works under Windows.
I don't have mine to test out, but when I get it back im gonna run it for a test.
Everything i read online and from my contact in Taiwan says Filco has the firmware that when you press the key, it hits numlock then it registers the keypress then untoggle numlock when you release the keypress.
I don't have mine to test out, but when I get it back im gonna run it for a test.
Everything i read online and from my contact in Taiwan says Filco has the firmware that when you press the key, it hits numlock then it registers the keypress then untoggle numlock when you release the keypress.
That's not what I observed at all. The actual low level scan codes sent by the num pad were the same ones sent by the number row, not the ones that windows recognizes as NUMPAD_* key presses.
The actual low level scan codes sent by the num pad were the same ones sent by the number row, not the ones that windows recognizes as NUMPAD_* key presses.
does the low level scan codes recognize numlock key press?
does the low level scan codes recognize numlock key press?
I'm just saying keyboard co and everyone is saying it has independent num lock press.
The guy I asked about it in taiwan told me the reason why the leopold number pad was made that way along with the other ones is because if numlock is activated by default, it'll cause some keyboards especially on laptops to not work properly in the sense it thinks you're using the numberpad function on those keyboards (usually the right side of the keyboard alphas)
So thats why it registers numlock, hits the key, then shuts it off. When num lock isn't on, its just standard 1-0 on the R4 row.
does the low level scan codes recognize numlock key press?
I'm just saying keyboard co and everyone is saying it has independent num lock press.
The guy I asked about it in taiwan told me the reason why the leopold number pad was made that way along with the other ones is because if numlock is activated by default, it'll cause some keyboards especially on laptops to not work properly in the sense it thinks you're using the numberpad function on those keyboards (usually the right side of the keyboard alphas)
So thats why it registers numlock, hits the key, then shuts it off. When num lock isn't on, its just standard 1-0 on the R4 row.
I understand why it's done that way, what I'm saying is that that unfortunately makes it damn near useless for any function that requires the specific NUMPAD codes. Which makes it useless to me. I want a USB numpad that doesn't even know what the R4 row keycodes are.
What about the Kinesis Low Force Keypad? It comes with Cherry Browns (admittedly not the most popular switch around here) and has a double wide zero key.Show Image(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0200/1582/products/Kinesis_Low-force_Keypad_large.png)
Has anybody checked what key codes it is sending?
I had no clue that came with Cherry Browns. I thought it was rubber dome. Guess that I did not read the product description well enough.
I had no clue that came with Cherry Browns. I thought it was rubber dome. Guess that I did not read the product description well enough.
You are confusing the Freestyle2 Keypad (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-keypad-for-pc/) which indeed has rubber domes with the Low-force Keypad (http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/low-force-keypads-for-pc-mac/) which has Cherry Brown switches.
I have a leo that sends the correct codes and I really like it. Also comes with PBT caps and Filco does not. It is a really nice looking keypad.
I have a leo that sends the correct codes and I really like it. Also comes with PBT caps and Filco does not. It is a really nice looking keypad.
I have a leo that sends the correct codes and I really like it. Also comes with PBT caps and Filco does not. It is a really nice looking keypad.
Where/when did you buy yours?
I have a leo that sends the correct codes and I really like it. Also comes with PBT caps and Filco does not. It is a really nice looking keypad.I have a leo that sends the correct codes and I really like it. Also comes with PBT caps and Filco does not. It is a really nice looking keypad.
Where/when did you buy yours?
+1
Where'd you get that?
also; the 210TP uses plate-mounted switches, right?
Yes it does.
I'm pretty sure Leopold doesn't ship internationally, so you'll need a proxy.
Cool!
Thanks.
I guess I'll be getting a Leopold numpad unless I find another numpad that has PBT keycaps or is topre (DAMN YOU REALFORCE)
Probably a good choice, I actually really like the Leo numpad. I almost got a filco but wanted a white one to match my HHKB so decided on the Leo and very glad I did. It's very solid and really nice looking especially if you like a more minimal look.
Probably a good choice, I actually really like the Leo numpad. I almost got a filco but wanted a white one to match my HHKB so decided on the Leo and very glad I did. It's very solid and really nice looking especially if you like a more minimal look.
i agree!
i could've done without the top row, though :D and i'm not really a fan of the difference in colours between keycaps and body.
anyway, i just wish there were more sources to get it from. hopefully within the next few weeks/months the availability will increase a bit :j
btw; is the pbt rather thin on this? i can't tell for sure, but it looks quite thin on some pictures.
also, look at these (http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Leopold-mechanical-keyboard-fc210tp-numeric-keypad-grey-white-color-covers-limited-edition/1462713237.html) awesome (aluminium?) bodies. pfff.
man, i want that dark grey one..
btw; is the pbt rather thin on this? i can't tell for sure, but it looks quite thin on some pictures.
Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...
(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)
Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...
(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)
WTF?
Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...
(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)
WTF?
Not sure what's so confusing. I was suggesting replacing a TKL entirely with a TK, instead of trying to pair a TKL with a numpad, if that's what OP was trying to do. I assume OP wasn't just looking to plug a numpad into the computer by itself, or alongside a full-size keyboard.
Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...
(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)
WTF?
Not sure what's so confusing. I was suggesting replacing a TKL entirely with a TK, instead of trying to pair a TKL with a numpad, if that's what OP was trying to do. I assume OP wasn't just looking to plug a numpad into the computer by itself, or alongside a full-size keyboard.
I'm afraid I don't quite follow.
Re: Filco numpad or Leopold Numpad?
Clearly, the OP was asking us to describe the merits of ergodox.
Are you looking for a numpad because you want to pair it with a TKL board? Have you looked into the QuickFire TK? It's roughly the size of a TKL and has an integrated numpad. The layout's quirky and IMO the design's a bit loud with the stock caps but if you're hurting that badly for a numpad...
(Obviously this won't help if you prefer a 60% or exotic layout, or if you want your numpad on the left.)
I was pleasantly surprised that the navigation functions worked on Mac OS. I have not tested it to see if it sends to the correct keycodes, but I should get to that soon.
I was pleasantly surprised that the navigation functions worked on Mac OS. I have not tested it to see if it sends to the correct keycodes, but I should get to that soon.
The version you got may actually send the correct codes. If not, it's a good thing you're on the Mac, because there is a solution. See here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.msg1241098#msg1241098 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52632.msg1241098#msg1241098)
Thanks, I am familiar with that thread. Since Mac keyboards typically do not have navigation keys on the numpad, I was worried that I could not use KeyRemap4Macbook for using the numpad for navigation. But that does not seem to be a problem if the numpad has navigation capabilities without resorting to KeyRemap4Macbook.
Thanks, I am familiar with that thread. Since Mac keyboards typically do not have navigation keys on the numpad, I was worried that I could not use KeyRemap4Macbook for using the numpad for navigation. But that does not seem to be a problem if the numpad has navigation capabilities without resorting to KeyRemap4Macbook.
The codes send when the number lock is off are exactly the same codes as hitting dedicated navigation keys. That makes it easy. ;)