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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Sairer on Sat, 01 March 2014, 17:12:46
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Hi,
So I am new to this forum after doing a bit of research i thought this might be the place to go for some opinions for a mechanical keyboard.
I am looking to upgrade my Logitech G510 as it is 3 years or so old, which is is old and my desktop.
It is a good keyboard I liked it up and until recently the matte feel of the keys has rubbed off and now is all shiny, I don't mind it but i thought that it might be time for a new keyboard.
Anyway, I was looking and specific keys before i went onto look at brands, I was originally looking at the cherry mx Blues, though they sounds really nice and they are good for typing (mainly, I hear) I do, do a bit of gaming so i started to look at the Chery Mx Browns, once I was happy with that as they are a the best of both worlds i started to look at actual keyboards,
Now I have been recently looking at the Ducky Blue LED with he Cherry MX browns Shine 3, Then I late realized that the New Logitech keyboard or the G710+ Has the cherry Mx browns which i think is a first for Logitech.
After using the Logitech i do like it, but now i have a conflict on brands, I mean there are always going to be people saying that they don't like the Logitech or they don't like the ducky but i would like to have others opinion despite the biased part of their opinions.
the website that i think that i will be getting the keyboard from is Pc case gear, So i would rather links be coming from there because then i can relate.
So realistically i am tossing up between the Logitech or the ducky, So please comment :)
Thanks,
~Sairer
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Get the ducky
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Ducky
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Logitech has a few issues with quality, mostly backlight problems. Get the ducky.
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Get the ducky.
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Get the ducky.
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Get the ducky.
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Get the ducky.
Didn't read past title.
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To add to the reasons why you should get a ducky over the Logitech;
Logitech and Razer products (IMO) are just there as products so they can say they are "gaming keyboards" when in actual fact they are just mechanical keyboards with a relatively shoddy build quality. Ducky are a widely recognised and liked brand because the build quality is sound and the keycap quality is also good. Most people come to geekhack when they are looking to get into mechs, or they already have a Razer/Logitech/Corsair board and want an upgrade.
Nobody comes to GH and gets reccomended to buy those three brands. There is always something bigger/better/stronger in your price range that ISN't one of those boards.
Just my 10p.
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the g710+ is a joke. it's actually a mechanical keyboard that tries it's best to imitate a cheap RD at a HUGE price premium (it was like ~$180 on release in canada).
browns + thick orings = MX imitation of rubberdome.
seriously get the ducky. don't like the backlights? just keep them turned off. like backlights? atm you can't beat the shine 3 then.
EDIT:
i'm the biggest logitech fanboy ever; but they REALLY suck at mech keyboards
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While the Logitech G710+ is one of the most beautiful keyboards I've ever used, the quality is complete crap. The worst keycaps I've seen on a mechanical keyboard, so bad that they even broke during use (and no, I didn't raged at the keyboard), the front plastic cover is a joke and overall it just doesn't feels as good as other keyboards.
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1173/biym.jpg)
From left to right: Logitech G710+, Tt Meka G-Unit, Das Keyboard Model S Professional (old Costar model), Corsair Vengeance K70 and CM Storm Trigger.
I've got 3 broken keycaps on mine (which is a review sample sent by Logitech themselves) and I scored it a 6/10 on my review. Excellent software (but could be better if you were able to customize the whole keyboard), it looks awesome and isn't bad to type on, but seriously, when the G5, left CTRL and Print Screen keys broke after 3 months (and I barely used it on these 3 months) you know something went wrong when they created this keyboard. And I know I'm not alone with this problem:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-Series-Gaming-Keyboards/G710-broken-keys-from-normal-use-plastic-tops-Where-to-get/td-p/1075449
(http://forums.logitech.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/10923i1FB6A95719D92678/image-size/original)
I seriously respect Logitech for their customer support and some of their products (Logitech G400/G400S, G600, G602, F510, F710, G27), but they're just awful when it comes down to mechanical keyboard.
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^ the g710+ was a really weird board overall.
it was MUCH worse quality than their regular gaming boards.
to me, it seems like it was their attempt to make apple-like margins (60%+ kinda deal) and the quality shows
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I tried the g710+ last night.
That board blows harder than a whale.
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Hey there,
Sorry for the late reply,
thank you all for the wonderful feedback!
I will be ordering it sometime tomorrow afternoon or later in the week after I wait for a close friend that is getting the same keyboard after I sort of convinced him to go from the red or blues to the browns as they are a better all round key. not saying that all your posts are just a waist of time i am just seeing what a friend says to me :) then i will put the order in along with getting one of the ducky full sized rest.
Now another question!
I have seen a few with the WASD and the esc key and so forth that are orange where can get i get some of these, And I was maybe thinking about the ctrl + alt + del keys also.
And With the ducky keyboard are every key mechanical like on some keyboards only the important/main ones are mechanical, So the f and the G key sets aren't mechanical, I think it was a corsair one.
Thanks again everyone!
~Sairer
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Again, on all "true" mech boards, all the keys will be mechanical.
I remember when my friend got his Corsair with reds, and the F keys weren't mechanical, I just thought: "WTF is the point?"
But yes, all of the Ducky is mechanical.
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I tried the g710+ last night.
That board blows harder than a whale.
LOL.
The G710+ tops my list over the worst keyboards I've ever tried.
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Get the ducky.
Didn't read past title.
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Another thing if you own multiple keyboards or like customization: logitech drivers screw up all your other keyboards. I haven't used the logitech G710 before, but I have owned almost 20 logitech devices over the years, and it seems they try to exclude every other manufacturer or something because whether it was Win3.11 or Win7 or a laptop, inevitably my logitech drivers had conflicts with other input peripherals.
I haven't owned anything logitech for a while by now.
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Ohk sweet,
Thanks again everyone for the help it has been amazing. Now I know for definite which keyboard to get.
But I haven't been successful in discovering a crtl + alt + del and esc button in red like the wads keys that come in the box would like to purchase them around the same time as to when I get the keyboard.
I have had a bit of a look around? No luck as I said?
Can anyone help? :/.
Thanks again!
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Ohk sweet,
Thanks again everyone for the help it has been amazing. Now I know for definite which keyboard to get.
But I haven't been successful in discovering a crtl + alt + del and esc button in red like the wads keys that come in the box would like to purchase them around the same time as to when I get the keyboard.
I have had a bit of a look around? No luck as I said?
Can anyone help? :/.
Thanks again!
You can custom order red ctrl, alt, del and esc from wasdkeyboards.com - it's very easy. Just make sure it's the right row etc.
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You can custom order red ctrl, alt, del and esc from wasdkeyboards.com - it's very easy. Just make sure it's the right row etc.
I'd get Ctrl (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=cds_red_ctrl), Alt (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=cds_red_alt), and Esc (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=cds_redesc) from Elitekeyboards and then think about if you really need a red Delete key. If so, prepare for a disappointing and thin cap from WASD.
Don't get me wrong, the breadth of options for what you can do with WASD caps is impressive and their keyboards are solid and great, but their caps, oh how I loathe them. They're just so cheap and thin feeling.
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Get the ducky.
Didn't read past title.
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I have a G710+. I can agree with that keycaps are poor quality but that's it . Keys backlight works well (here due to the fact that LEDs are at the top of the switch, bottom row of printing on the key shines a little darker). In addition, compared to Ducky you receive keys for recording macros. Separate media keys and roll for volume control (due to their size and shape they are rubber dome). Besides you get a plastic wrist rest ( which I do not use because i have homemade pads). What else , the keys originally have O-rings that reduce noise. ( Of course if it does not fit for you, you can disamble them). On the back of the keyboard is also one additional USB port. I do not understand the great campaign against Logitech. It is their first mechanical keyboard ( so I think they have the right to some small mistakes) but anyway generally it is a good equipment. I don't know what is difference in price between Ducky and g710+ in your country . But in mine Ducky is not available at all. I'd have to import it from abroad. If you have any questions I will try to answer or post photos.
Regards
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don't waste your money neither time get ducky
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I have a G710+. I can agree with that keycaps are poor quality but that's it . Keys backlight works well (here due to the fact that LEDs are at the top of the switch, bottom row of printing on the key shines a little darker). In addition, compared to Ducky you receive keys for recording macros. Separate media keys and roll for volume control (due to their size and shape they are rubber dome). Besides you get a plastic wrist rest ( which I do not use because i have homemade pads). What else , the keys originally have O-rings that reduce noise. ( Of course if it does not fit for you, you can disamble them). On the back of the keyboard is also one additional USB port. I do not understand the great campaign against Logitech. It is their first mechanical keyboard ( so I think they have the right to some small mistakes) but anyway generally it is a good equipment. I don't know what is difference in price between Ducky and g710+ in your country . But in mine Ducky is not available at all. I'd have to import it from abroad. If you have any questions I will try to answer or post photos.
Regards
I don't really think it's a "small mistake" when your keyboard has missing keys since they're broken. Yes, companies can make some minor mistakes, but we need to know what's really "minor". Keycaps breaking makes this keyboard a POS.
Unlike what their marketing says, a bigger number of features does NOT makes the Logitech G710+ better than the Ducky by any way, there are people who do not even want those features and would rather have a smaller keyboard on their desk, rather than something full of keys and wasting space. And mentioning that cheap plastic wrist-rest with plastic connectors that were designed to break easily isn't something that goes in favor to the G710+.
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I don't really think it's a "small mistake" when your keyboard has missing keys since they're broken. Yes, companies can make some minor mistakes, but we need to know what's really "minor". Keycaps breaking makes this keyboard a POS.
Unlike what their marketing says, a bigger number of features does NOT makes the Logitech G710+ better than the Ducky by any way, there are people who do not even want those features and would rather have a smaller keyboard on their desk, rather than something full of keys and wasting space. And mentioning that cheap plastic wrist-rest with plastic connectors that were designed to break easily isn't something that goes in favour to the G710+.
I really don't know how you can break keys. Maybe it was a copy with factory defect. I never heard before about broken keys in that keyboard but I was making a research about pros and cons before buying it. You can not give objective opinion based on one copy with broken key.I agree with this, that keycaps should be made with better quality materials but it won't break with normal use. Maybe when you pull out key constantly it would break. And because of poor quality of keycaps I am going to buy maxkeyboard keycap set. I think it looks cool with white LEDs.
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I don't really think it's a "small mistake" when your keyboard has missing keys since they're broken. Yes, companies can make some minor mistakes, but we need to know what's really "minor". Keycaps breaking makes this keyboard a POS.
Unlike what their marketing says, a bigger number of features does NOT makes the Logitech G710+ better than the Ducky by any way, there are people who do not even want those features and would rather have a smaller keyboard on their desk, rather than something full of keys and wasting space. And mentioning that cheap plastic wrist-rest with plastic connectors that were designed to break easily isn't something that goes in favour to the G710+.
I really don't know how you can break keys. Maybe it was a copy with factory defect. I never heard before about broken keys in that keyboard but I was making a research about pros and cons before buying it. You can not give objective opinion based on one copy with broken key.I agree with this, that keycaps should be made with better quality materials but it won't break with normal use. Maybe when you pull out key constantly it would break. And because of poor quality of keycaps I am going to buy maxkeyboard keycap set. I think it looks cool with white LEDs.
The problem is, my case is not the only one:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-Series-Gaming-Keyboards/G710-broken-keys-from-normal-use-plastic-tops-Where-to-get/td-p/1075449
And there are 2 others at the forum on which I have my Mechanical Keyboard Guide (curiously, the ONLY 2 other G710+ I know of there). It's not a single faulty unit nor is it entirely the OEM's fault, while Corsair also uses the same keycaps from the same vendor (which are indeed low-quality), their keyboards aren't the ones on which the keycaps are breaking.
I've also contacted Logitech back after making the review and yes, they admitted that it's something that's happening with some of keyboards and they're looking into a way to fix it, but god knows when they're going to release new batches without this problem, especially when there's people who defend it.
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Hey there,
thanks everyone for the help it is much appreciated, I received my keyboard 2 days ago now, And it is the first time that I have used it to its full extent and I think i love this keyboard, I thought that it might be a waste of a money but definitely not.
Before i got home as i picked it up from the post office, The first think i did other than open the packaging, Is play around with the keys to see what they sound like because I don't think you can really get the best grasp of what it really sounds like until you own one. I almost had the most satisfactory feel as soon as I heard the keys clicking. Anyway when i got home i completely took everything out of the box unfortunately i don't speak Chinese? or Japanese? (sorry to those that i might have offended.) so i couldn't read the manual.
I do have one question thought, There is a little panel on the back of the panel, It has numbers on it, And from what I gather i think it is called the ece Panel.
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What is this for? What does it do? I googled it and i couldn't find any answer? would anyone be able to help me out?
plus i am just testing this keyboard out really and the different settings for the lights.
also i must say that the lights behind the keys are amazing strong for little LED's from what I gather.
Thanks everyone for the massive amount of help!!
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Assuming you have the Shine 3, have a look here
http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/Shine_3_DK9008.html (http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/Shine_3_DK9008.html)
Also this manual is in english
http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/PDF/Shine3_DK9008+DK9087_usermanual_v3_outline.pdf
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1.Windows Key lockout
2.Ctrl and Capslock swap
3.Windows key and Alt swap
4.DEMO Mode
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Hi,
Thanks for the fast reply!!
Well what does the demo do?
I will have a proper look at those thinks when i get the chance to.
Seeing as I like these keyboards to much it would be hard for me to get used to any other keys, Or the switches/keyboards. Would you suggest to get a poker 2 for the portablility if i wanted it for that?
Thanks!
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DO NOT turn on demo mode. it is for public displays; your keyboard can't be used when it's on.
also, called a dipswitch, nit ece.
just read the manual, everything is explained there.
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Oh ok sweet, Thanks for letting me know, I don't think that I was going to turn it on, I gather it just goes through all the modes that you can use on the keyboard!
So thanks again!
Now about my other question.
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1.Windows Key lockout
2.Ctrl and Capslock swap
3.Windows key and Alt swap
4.DEMO Mode
Hey, why'd you steal my sig, bro?